Sony Computer Entertainment today released a new picture of the 20GB PlayStation 3, that now feature an HDMI 1.3 output, allowing games to be played in full high-definition video and audio.
You get for almoust $100 less everything what 360 with HD-DVD playback offers + future proof HDMI + a cheap way to upgrade your HDD(twice the size for half the price) + a cheap way to charge the controllers. Thanks Sony :-D
I wonder why they haven't updated there website yet. This sounds like a rumor.
i didn't need the other features, but HDMI was what i needed, now it's complete.
ok now the cheaper version is worth the buy. nice!
Nobody knows what HDMI is in the first place. Second thing is, nobody has HDMI input, maybe a small few. It doesnt matter what they add in at the last minute, they are desperate, they know they have already lost 1st place.
i and most of my friends own an HDTV with HDMI input/output and we're not rich. we're just average college graduates.
Did you not see the 200 20 GB models that are playable at TGS? It looks like they have to me...
This is a great move, but I still think that they would have done much better to have the 60 GB model only, and have it priced at $500. Both models having a hard drive is a definite step up from the 360, but it causes confusion in people not understanding (or caring) about the differences between the two. HDMI in the 20 GB version is a good move, but I still plan on gettin the 60 GB version. I am not wanting any more wires running around in my house, the wireless internet and the 60 GB hard drive is what's making me want the 60 GB version.
specialguest you probably have a rich daddy then, because most students are happy with an old CRT tv.
5% of all TV's are 720p HDTV's LCD. Many do have a HDMI port. But is it nescessary on most TV's? Is there a noticable difference between component on TV's up to 42 inch and HDMI?
Actually no. Even 1080p can be done over component. And the best thing is: the 360 output has a digital connector. Only thing they have to do is release a cable and there you go: when you need it you just buy the cable and HDMI is there. No special port to put on it nothing.
Sony doesn't know what they have to do to save the large dinosaurus that is the company and the PS nowadays so they'll do anything just anything to gain some good buzz
He actually said college graduates, not college students. I myself being a college graduate understand the feeling of getting a job and becoming totally independent. Within my first year of holding a real job, I was able to purchase and set up a pretty nice home theater system. Granted, it pales in comparison to what I have now, but my first tv after college was still $2500 (36" HD Sony tube). For $2500 to $3000, you can get a nice 45-55" 1080p (native) rear projection tv. That should only be month's salary for most college grads. Not a big deal considering the fact that the average person spends 3-4 hours in front of the tv. That's approximately 15% of our lives spent watching tv.
You simply don't NEED HDMI for todays TVs -- and that goes for the few 1080p as well. The TVs "image-improving" circuits downgrades the signal more than a good quality component cable would, and as such it is much better to have a TV with excellent image enhancers and component, than to have mediocre image enhancers and HDMI.
But lets not forget, that HDMI is a relatively new standard and TVs are improving on a rapid pace. In a few years time, HDMI will probably be preferable -- and there is the old debate regarding ICT. Now that's not a problem for the PS3 no more.
And there is always the added benefit of less cable clutter with HDMI, which is one thing which weighs heavily in favour in my opinion.
Actually... I just noticed something... You mention that the X360 will be capable of HDMI because of it's digital output. You seem to forget one thing:
HDMI, if used with the HD-DVD drive, will only be really usefull if it supports HDCP, and that is a hardware thing. ATI (and NVidia) has only recently started to ship graphiccards for PCs that are actually capable of that, so it's highly unlikely the X360 has that capability as it was initially meant for Component output only. Know, I could be wrong... But MS hasn't actually announced a HDMI cable yet...
For gaming one doesn't need HDCP...
AND AS A REPLY TO YOUR POST #22 (I've spent all my bubbles)
Hope you see this...
You are wrong about HD-channels transmitting in 720p today. Most channels today (including moviechannels, documentary-channels and the World Cup this year) are all broadcast in 1080i.
The standard for public service channels in HD in the coming years will most likely be 720p which is the resolution EBU recommends. Why? Because of the cost of editing equipment and storage.
You also keep on mentioning 720p televisions are the only mainstream TVs today -- no flatscreens exist with that as a native resolution and most have resolutions higher than that and accepts higher resolutions (like 1080i). Your statement is simply not true!
Gamers are normally not your average mainstream consumer the first three years of a console lifecycle. MS stated themselves that they see a very high percentage of users actually investing in HD-Ready TVs because of the X360. You are the proof to support this (you've got a "720p flatscreen" afterall). It's not farfetched to believe a high percentage of the coming 1080p flatscreen owners will also have invested in a gameconsole.
Regarding the supported 1080p games for X360 -- good stuff... I hadn't read that yet (sooo many news, so few hours). I only know three of the four games. Lost Planet has loads of potential. Let's see if GoW manages to get on that list too -- that would be awesome.
Actually the PS3 has quite a few more games than two going for 1080p:
- Virtua Tennis 3
- Resistance... (aiming for 1080p)
- Mobile Suit Gundam
- Ridge Racer 7 (wasn't RR6 only 720p? ;-)
- NBA '07
... and I've got a sneaking suspicion we will see more in the coming months... But four titles for X360 is good. But cut the pwned please...
This is probably the worst business move Sony could ever make regarding the 20gb model. On top of HDMI they reduce the Japanese price...
Are they out of the mind, why would the reduce a price when the 20gb's are gonna sell out for months regardless of price. I don't know who makes these decisions but they obviously aren't doing Sony any favors.
Now this price drop happening 6 months from now, okay thats perfect. But Sony's lost their mind trying to compete with the Wii. I know you guys will say, "well it's for the consumers, Sony really likes us." Well I'm here to tell you that price drops are for competition, every business does it.
The only possible justification for this is that your gonna have to have a BIG HDD, if you have more than a few games. We already know, and they've admitted that games are gonna have to be stored on the HDD cause of blu-ray's read speed so 20gb isn't enough. But still the amount of consoles sold in Japan are now gonna make sony loose so much money after launch.
This business has lost it's mind
It's because of the apparent outcry in Japan over the price (and maybe only getting 100k consoles at launch). I just sent Sony an email about this on their website, I encourage everyone to do the same. Do they actually think that American gamers are happy about the price and are fine with it? Yes, I think it's worth the price, but I still wish it had been lowered worldwide to the equivalent of $515-525. Like I said, I encourage everyone to send them an email or something asking them to make this effective for all regions.
But still pwned by 360 getting 1080p upscale for all 720p games and a GPU that's stronger then the PS3 one so be able to get more games in native 1080p.
For the ones who need it.
The mass will just use 720p and own a 720p native TV, component is sharp enough for the inches on TV that are used.
So Sony. All the faults you made, cannot be made up by adding a HDMI port on a machine. The TGS is still owned by MS/360 like the E3 was
I just thought you made a sensible remark above, and now you speak bs again.
MS has stated several times, that they believe 1080p games will be impossible in this generation -- and so has numerous x360 developers. PGR3 was even LESS than 720p...
Now the list of 1080p LAUNCH games for PS3 grows almost every day, and suddenly the x360 is capable of the same... Well... I hope the X360 developers has found some hidden power in the machine they didn't know of until recently...
Upscaling just isn't the same -- not even on one of your socalled 720p flatscreens (although most actually have a physical resolution of 768p).
Actually lala agreeing with me on the other post is what you did right. You saying me talk BS is backfiring on your own post now.
Let me break it down for ya...
"MS has stated several times, that they believe 1080p games will be impossible in this generation -- and so has numerous x360 developers. PGR3 was even LESS than 720p..."
On all games it's undoable you're right. Some games can be in 1080p native. But there won't be much. The upscaling though is possible on any 720p title. Will we see much 1080p native BIG games? No. Is it good for MS to implement this future to make Sony scared? Yes.
Second thing you're mentioning, why was PGR3 less then 720p? Because the hardware was not finalised when this very first game was produced. They simply even didn't know what exactly to have as a resolution probably. Be sure PGR4 will be in 720p at least. Very wrong example you are giving. Every other 360 game has been in 720p. The GPU of the 360 is special build and more capable of doing 1080p native then the PS3 GPU for sure
"Now the list of 1080p LAUNCH games for PS3 grows almost every day, and suddenly the x360 is capable of the same... Well... I hope the X360 developers has found some hidden power in the machine they didn't know of until recently..."
It has always been there in the GPU. The 48 pixel/shader pipeline monster can do the trick. The question is, if it's with all games. No it won't. But it's stronger then the PS3 GPU as stated before and therefore it would be able to do it more then the PS.
"Upscaling just isn't the same -- not even on one of your socalled 720p flatscreens (although most actually have a physical resolution of 768p). "
I am not saying it is. I am just saying the 360 will upscale EVERY 720p game and the PS3 will just have some 720p games not upscaled as a standard.
That makes the 360 stand out for those that want 1080p. Not me, because I just have a simple 720p tv.
For anyone saying a 2500 to 3000 dollar TV is normal, is nuts. Most people have a house, family, kids or other expenses and can't spend a whole months salary to a tv
The HDMI / Component debate is different than the 720p / 1080i / 1080p debate.
There is one thing you've completely misunderstood about your TV, and that is one thing which happens because of the same reasons that the HDMI / Component debate is useless on todays TVs:
The exact same circuits in your TV that messes with signal from the cabling, also upscales or downscales any input that comes into the TV. So if you feed your TV with a 1080i signal (supposing it accepts it, which most of todays LCDs do) it will downscale and deinterlace it to the native resolution (most probably 1366x768 pixels progressive). If you feed it 720p it will upscale it for you to the native resolution.
If you've got a high-quality TV, amplifier or upscaler, it has probably got a Faroudja upscaler chip, which is about the best you can get, and will probably be far superior to what the X360 (or PS3 for that matter) can do.
Upscaling is actually quite a math-intensive task if it is done properly, so the gameconsoles will most likely go with a less math-intensive algorithm which might only compare to the one used in cheap TVs (I assume this, because wouldn't the $/performance spent on a quality upscaler be better spent on better GPU performance -- especially for a GPU initially designed for 720p output only).
To sum it up: Doing upscaling in the gameconsole is pretty useless and might even make a worse result if your TV is equipped with a chip like the Faroudja. Native 1080p resolution is the way to go -- not upscaled 1080p. And by the way, it has been shown on video, that the output resolution is selected in the OS of PS3 and thereby implying the PS3 will upscale (or downscale) as well -- the X360 and the PS3 is in the same boat there.
Next the PGR3 comparisson. I know they probably had to skip a few corners because it was a launch title. But so far the PS3 developers has only had about 3 months longer with final devkits than the X360 developers had before the X360 launch. And already multiple titles on the PS3 will be 1080p native. How does that compare to X360 launch titles only going for 720p or lesser resolutions?
Now at this point in time, X360 developers has had final dev kits for more than 9 months longer than PS3 developers (there is no argueing with that), yet noone have announced a single 1080p native title for the X360 (or 1080i even). Maybe it's not so easy to do on the X360 afterall... I'm not doubting we will see 1080p titles on X360, but I do believe they will be father between than on the PS3 simply because of that history. But let's see -- I could be wrong.
Wether the X360 GPU is a special design has nothing to do with wether it can deliver god performance in 1080p. ATI and MS has designed it for a specific purpose (being a monster for next-gen gaming as you say), but they've clearly stated it wasn't meant to do 1080p resolutions -- that is just an afterthought and performance has yet to be proven. I have no technical insight into wether it is possible, but I do know they've designed the EDRAM for smaller resolutions. Yes, it's possible to do paging, but that results in a loss of some of the advantages the EDRAM was supposed to give as far as I've understood. But others are more qualified to discuss that technical aspect.
Regarding the prices on TVs and what is common I do agree that is a lot of money. But prices are falling by approximately 30% a year on LCDs (believe me, I know from personal experience). The $1000 LCDs of today, were actually top $2500 LCDs just two years ago. And even most of the $1000 LCDs actually have a 1366x768 resolution which is higher than 720p.
In two years time you'll find todays $2500 1080p LCDs for less than $1200 -- I hope MS still wants to sell X360's by then, or are they gonna leave their consolesowners in the cold as they introduce a new console yet again, like they did to the XBox owners?
Enough with the rant... You get the picture... I think you very often have very misinformed or misleading opinions from a technical standpoint. I accept you for one or the other reason have subjective opinion about which console you prefer and which games you think are "superior" -- just don't mix it up with technical mumbo jumbo you don't understand.
The HDMI for the "core" is only taking effect in Japan! So does this mean the the 20% of cores the US gets will still only have component?
Although it may b true, the image is still not a "real" image if ya kno what i mean. Its only a computer generated image.
Either. This thing will sell like hotcakes, well all the first batches regardless which version but they drop the price. Also if you live in the USA and Europe are you part of this price cut Promo?If not then why would it even matter to those area. Everything is still the same.
Sony trying to save face in front of japan thats all. They tell us at E3 a price, then go ahead tell thier country a different price with one upgrade thats not even important to gaming (HDMI.)
I guess if you live in japan and have a 1080p tv then your getting a decent deal not that HDMI is that important. I think that strategy has something to do with content protection and nothing else.
I wonder if sony even know what's they are doing anymore...seriously, who the f*ck is running the show there?
cause it seems like nobody has a clue..If I was a shareholder, I would be freaking pissed.
Every PS3 now has HDMI 1.3 built-in. I wonder what kind of add-on Microsoft is going to conjure up next. By the way, Microsoft hasn't done much of anything for this show. Everything so far has been about playstation. Yeah, we saw Lost Odyssey, but that just looks boring and Blue Dragon looks like the standard rpg fare we've been playing for over a decade. Motorstorm looks great, Devil May Cry is awesome, Resistance is getting more and more polished, Fatal Inertia is beautiful, Coded Arms looks crazy. Etc.
I'm amazed that the 360 guys are passing it off by saying "Oh, we don't need HDMI 1.3 Component is just as good." And once Microsoft attempts to release an HDMI 1.0 adaptor (they can't get 1.3 since that's a hardware issue, not a software one) they'll probably be all over it saying "Hah, what now?! We have HDMI too!". -sigh-
Fact of the matter is, PS3 now has a hardware and feature advantage over the 360 (yet again).
" The mass will just use 720p and own a 720p native TV, component is sharp enough for the inches on TV that are used." -HDMI is still the purest digital signal, and sharper than component. If you've been paying attention to the HDTV market, since E3 1080p has gradually become the industry standard, and there'll be a point in time where all HDTVs sold will be 1080p.
"But still pwned by 360 getting 1080p upscale for all 720p games and a GPU that's stronger then the PS3 one so be able to get more games in native 1080p." -first, Mart claims that 720p is good enough and that there's no need for 1080p. Then he switches gears and says that the 360's GPU is stronger (the games say otherwise) and that the 360 will have more 1080p games than PS3.
Yet not a single 360 title natively renders in 1080p, and not a single 360 title has been announced to support it. The list of PS3 titles in native 1080p however is growing by the week. I know it's hard to accept that the PS3 is more powerful and feature-packed than the 360, but it's true. Just learn to deal with it (or buy some add-ons if it'll make you feel better).
ps3 is worth every penny, especially the 60gb model which i would be getting. the luanch titles for the ps3 are better than the 360 ones.
the mart is just confused that the ps3 will have hdmi and he cant get it that there is a visible difference between 720p and 1080p on a 32 inch screen. YEs u heard me 32 inch. the ps3 games will vary more in genre than the 360 and the wii. ps3 u get a great racers grand trusimo, motor storm, fatal internia, the best rpg ff, good shooting game resistance, great action game devil may cry, best selling fighting series tekken and warhaw a good flying game.
360 u get 2 good fps, halo3 and gears, an okish racer full auto2, boring rpg oblivion( which will come to ps3 and is on pc aalready), sad excuse for a game viva pinyata.
harware comparisons and prices i will go through my next post.
"Fact of the matter is, PS3 now has a hardware and feature advantage over the 360 (yet again)."
Itsn't it embarassing seeing Microsoft stumbling around like a bunch of monkeys trying to catch up to what PS3 is going to offer us?
And whats even more shocking is the fact that we can all pretty be sure that M$ is going to come up with some rediculous add-on in another desperate attempt to be on par with Sony.
Does it not make you feel great knowing that your PS3 purchase is going to be the most technologically advanced, awe-inspiring home entertainment system you will purchase in the next 10 years?
just in case you wanted to know, that was me who reported your comment as spam/offensive. DJ and Capslock kept their comments relevant to the story. who cares if they prefer the PS3 over the 360, or vice versa? they didnt' personally attack anyone with their replies. you on the other hand did, simply because they just so happen not to like what you do like. its a game console dude. CHILL!
Firstly DJ, once the update is released for the 360, games can then be DEVELOPED in 1080p, only the DVDs will be upscaled. Please make sure you read things right. And to the chef, its not just MS running around like monkeys. What the hell are sony doing? First, all PS3s will have hdmi output, then they wont, and now they will! wtf!?
Not alot of games seeing that Japan is only getting 5-6 at launch and maybe 5 more by years end. Not to be a hater but I can't stand to read dribble
Funny how MS got fanboys wondering whats next? hehehe full of surprised, I'm sure there is more coming out later.
Another thing is MS never promised it's users 1080p games. Like I said 1080p is so so not important for most people unless you brainwash yourself to think that it is. Wether you go out and trick yo mama so you can afford a 1080p tv then thats your choice.
Just cause the capability was there all along its hard for sony not to start whining about MS when they themselves said they would be the only console with true HD 1080p.
I, myself is not sitting here waiting for 1080p games. I have a 1080i with HDMI tv that suits me well for the next 6 years or so. By the time a new console rolls around maybe I can afford a nice 1080p SED set with a purchase of the next console.
Now all fanboys can do is whine whine whine about HDMI 1.3..haha thats so funny."you don't have HDMI 1.3 wa wa wa" silly I tell ya.
so all the sudden HDMI 1.3 is so important.I guess 1.0 is useless now that another console is capable. Geeeeze louise what is next? Even if the 360 had HDMI 1.29, fanboys still would be bragging..hehe
"there'll be a point in time where all HDTVs sold will be 1080p." It's like saying there will be a point when all cars will be using alternative fuel. What's your point? "Oh yeah there will be a time when Man will live on Mars"..hehe remember that one?
Xbox360 gamers never cared for 1080p unless you really wanted it and you have money with a nice tv set. The fact that it possible just makes the 360 looks better against a comparable system.
Anyhow what else is next(news flash "sony flashed the PS3 to HDMI 1.4 woohoo take that X360")
For owners of a recent flatscreen the added benefit of HDMI 1.3 is worthless... And so is the possibility of 1080p...
But I recon Sony want to sell the PS3 for the next 5-8 years, and in less than three most homes will have to invest in either a new TV or settop box because of the transition to all-digital television.
In one-two years time, 1080p will actually be very normal and almost mainstream when people are out buying a new flatscreen. And so will HDMI 1.3 be.... All those people who will want to buy a new console will have the choice between the PS3 which support ALL the capabilities of their new TV and X360 which only can do so much... What will their choice be? Let time tell...
PS3 Fans Are so Ignorant Who Gives A Hoot About HDMI 180p Blue Ray Will Any Of Those Things Make A Game Better Or Give IT Better Playability? NO! And Please PS Fans Dont Talk About Add-ons Ps2 Add On HDD. Add On Ethernet Port Add On Multi Tap And Where They Needed? NO! Microsoft Have Lots Of Money And The Will Make Sure That The 360 WILL Stay A Success Even If They Have Too Release A Third SKU With HDMI 1.3 Built In. DO NOT UNDERESTIMATE MICROSOFT!!!
That is expensive ;-) Atleast you can keep your fingers crossed it will be silent too... and not have that big brick you can't leave on your carpet.
I agree. Well said.
HDMI, who cares? Most people still play on standard def crt tv's! Tell me why I should buy a 360 or PS3 without talking about HDMI, hi def graphics and bluray/hddvd coz most of us use scart or svideo!
Man you guys are tiresome. Microsoft used their presentation to show the Japanese games they were interested in. Sony used their presentation to put people to sleep.
Were there huge announcements by MS? No. Why? Because X06 is next week in Barcelona.
I don't get it, this is an article about Sony reinstituting hdmi, yet Sony people are here bashing the 360. Give it a rest, already. I know you have nothing to do with your spare time, but geez.....
DJ you keep talkinga about how well Sony is doing at TGS. While all major game websites (not ps3 fanboys sites) keep saying that sony screw up again this time. take a look a joystiq.com. Ridge Racer, "One thing we noticed was that you could not damage your car -- not by running into other cars, skidding against the side rails, or ramming straight into a wall. And while all tires left tracks, they would disappear by the next lap."
Devil May Cry 4, "feels neither new nor exciting. You perform your combos, kill the baddies, collect some orbs, and repeat.", "While the environments are nicely detailed and the architecture appropriately atmospheric, the characters leave something to be desired. Dante Nero felt particularly clumsy in this build, going from a standstill to a full sprint with almost no transitional animation, a far cry form the series trademark fluidity. The enemies were also repetitive and uninspired and, perhaps due to the controller's lack of rumble, pounding on them lacked the visceral oomph the series is known for. The experience felt particularly detached."
Code Arms, "Coded Arms Assault left us writhing in pain. The game was a comedy of errors and should never have been shown. Among the game's many, many technical flaws include:
A jerky frame rate that frequently slowed down when something happened, no matter how small (e.g. reloading your pistol)
Very low polygon count. We're pretty sure we've seen GameCube titles use more horsepower, which is not a good sign for a PS3 game.
Bullets and grenades left paths in the air that can best be described as "a line of sprites."
Horrendous load times (about 43 Mississippis seconds)
Unresponsive camera controls that had only two speeds (stop and spin wildly).
Beyond all that, Coded Arms Assault is just another derivative first-person shooter. It offers nothing to set itself apart from the crowd, including its paltry visuals (shown at 720p, though you'd be hard-pressed to notice). We'd consider this a mediocre PlayStation 2 game, and it's supposed to be next-gen?"...
It makes me sad to see fanboys like you.
you call sites like ign.com and gamespot.com "sony fanboy sites", then turn around and use joystiq as a reliable source? JOYSTIQ, who found error with a whopping three out of twenty PS3 titles on the floor? and yet you criticize other people for their opinions. what did Joystiq have to say about the other games: Lair, Resistance, White Knight Story, MGS4, NGS, Heavenly Sword etc.? cause from what i've read over at ign and gamespot, these games are great.
DJ wtf is it with you and hdmi 1.3,the average joe doesnt have a clue about hdmi 1.3 never mind 1080p,you are a true sony drone man.You cant even buy HDMI1.3 TVS yet,so whats your point,most of 3 quaters of the people who are going to buy the ps3 are parents for their kids,who will in turn play the console on a normal crt tv or 720 lcd,get a life man and stopp sprounting mindless babble...
720p shown at 1080p is NOT true 1080p. Its 720p shown at 1080p. There is NO patch that MS can that can alter since the textures are burnt and close on to the disc
When it comes to 720p and 1080p in games. there is a difference. Video games arent movies being that games are real time and movies dont go any higher than 60 frames per second. so Movies= constant unchanging frame rate. Games= constantly changin frame rate(saints row)
Xbox is only capable of HDMI 1.0 because that "digital" is only able to output video
Xbox360 is slowly turning to be a PS360. why have a HD dvd player when you can pretty much download any thing over live? 1080p for game is impossible? now there is suddenly a patch for it?
What concerns me is that the PS3 should be shipping in less than 45 days...and they just now announce a change in their HARDWARE??
Hellooo? Shouldn't the PS3 have been finalized by now? Shouldn't there be hundreds, if not thousands, of PS3's being built and beta tested?
Either one of two things will happen:
1) Sony will delay the launch date (again)
2) Sony will produce PS3s at a frenzied pace to release a very small amount on the actual launch date - without properly testing the hardware over a period of time.
I thought the lifespan of the 360 was questionable, I don't even want to think about the PS3.
"HDMI is still the purest digital signal, and sharper than component. If you've been paying attention to the HDTV market, since E3 1080p has gradually become the industry standard, and there'll be a point in time where all HDTVs sold will be 1080p."
First off: will anyone notice HDMI and component difference on the 720p native LCD HDTV's with the normal inches they have? Nope.
1080p is far from beying industrial standard. All TV channels that use HD use 720p. All LCD TV's sold are 720p except for the people that pay 4.000 dollars at least for a tv. Which isn't the mass. Even PS3 games are all in 720p besides the sad GT4 (seen the footage? mohowhahahaha) and a tennis game with 2 characters on screen.
There will be a point in time that only 1080p tv's wil be sold yeah. But not any soon. Maybe over 5 to 7 years. But till that time, 720p tv's will be cheaper then 1080p ones. Even when 1080p TV's will cost 1.500 dollars, a 720p model will cost 300 dollars. You'd think what the mass will buy...
"-first, Mart claims that 720p is good enough and that there's no need for 1080p. Then he switches gears and says that the 360's GPU is stronger (the games say otherwise) and that the 360 will have more 1080p games than PS3."
I am still telling what I do always. Personally I don't need 1080p. I have a 720p native screen. As almost 99% of all people will. But theoretical the 360 has a stronger GPU then the PS3 and will be able to put 1080p out more easily. Games prove otherwise. Which actually? GT4 HD? Don't make me put the link here with the ingame footage. You'll laugh your ass off. That's why it can be done in 1080p because it's just the PS2 graphics. The tennis game? Come on. There are no 1080p native 360 games yet because they just announced the update. So no proof. BS talking DJ.
Again. I don't need 1080p. Almost no one needs it. But it's nice to get Sony on 2nd place again. Just because the 360 GPU can and is superior to the PS3 GPU. Eat it. Read it. Learn. You'll see when 'the final spec's of the PS3 GPU' will be discovered. A standard Nvidia 6800 card not able to do much in 1080p
Yet not a single 360 title natively renders in 1080p, and not a single 360 title has been announced to support it. The list of PS3 titles in native 1080p however is growing by the week. I know it's hard to accept that the PS3 is more powerful and feature-packed than the 360, but it's true. Just learn to deal with it (or buy some add-ons if it'll make you feel better).
And here you go, the latest news: MS has 4 games that will run in native 1080p:
Translation: Ms has announced the four game list of games that will support the 1080p resolution. To take advantage of this you will have to update your console in a non announced date over xbox Live. Heres the list:
- Blue Dragon
- Dead or Alive Xtreme Beach Volleyball 2
- Eternal Sonata (Trusty Bell)
- Lost Planet: Extreme Condition
360 pwned the PS3 again, proving that it is the strongest console out there. PS3 only having two sad looking games in 1080p, Lost Planet with 60fps have you see the incredible graphics and that in 1080p.
It's done. PS3 s*cks big time and looses every day
the only reason you're ranting on about this is because xbox 360 can't handle true 1080p HDMI, let alone HDMI 1.3 and the PS3 can.
The 20gb ps3 now has a HDMI 1.3 port included at no extra cost. Why should there be any reason that this is bad news MART? Because the xbox 360 doesn't have it? Oh, yeah i can see why you're mad
Read again. You obviously didn't read it at all.
But well. I guess Sony fanboys will defend the PS3 to any cost. First it was 1080p when almost all PS3 games are in 720p native.
Now it's HDMI 1.3. For real. You have no idea what MS has up it's sleeve.
The digital output on the 360 could be capable of something what would make Ken and all Sony fanboys sweat to death. Some of the last 'advantages' of Sony to be shattered... Soon...
you have the xbox 360 core and the 20gb PS3 sitting on a table in front of you. You can pick either one up for free. What's it going to be?
No, no, no wait, that's too easy.
you have the premium xbox 360 and the 20gb PS3 sitting on a table in front of you. You can pick either one up for free. What's it going to be?
Psh, the 20GB PS3. Better games, better features. And free?! -yoink-
Pay attention Sonyfanboys so one day you will stop repeating your mistakes.
These are exact quotes from the "1080p Support for Xbox360 Unveiled" news article about a day or two ago:
My statement to DJ:
"When you thought 360 was incapable of 1080p....you said it was because it wasn't powerful enough."
DJ's reply from his post:
"I never said that it wasn't possible."
Reply from my next post:
"I think I remember you stating that the 360 wasn't capable of 1080p a few times....I could look over some old posts again, but honestly I'll just accept your last statement about it.....either way its not a bid deal."
This is DJ's reply in his next post:
"Sometimes I get a little out of hand; for that, I apologize. Actually, if I somehow say something stupid and irrelevant I encourage people to just spam it, hehe."
Now this is DJ's quote from this news article:
"The list of PS3 titles in native 1080p however is growing by the week. I know it's hard to accept that the PS3 is more powerful and feature-packed than the 360, but it's true."
Note: notice now he says "PS3 is more powerful (referring to the 360, of course) because it can do native 1080p". WOW, I guess theres no end to his denial and flip-floping on issues.
Now lets analyze the situation, Sonyfanboys are making the same old mistakes over and over again....they make certain features that are irrevelant to games, sound like some "BIG" advantage that shows PS3 is more powerful than the 360, when really its only dreams in their head, WHY? because they believe anything that Sony says, despite being proven wrong over and over again. Think about it fanboys, M$ has stated bluntly that the 360 can do "NATIVE" 1080p, not because they have changed their thinking that 720p is the "sweet spot" for gamers "this generation" but only to "show off" and proove that the 360 is indeed powerful and capable of it. Why would ANY company stand idly by while their competitor unwittingly says they do not have the power for a certain function?, when they know that they are already more than capable of it?....wouldn't you slap them in the face too? It's only Sony and Sonyfanboys who are making this an issue, which is funny because we know that less than 5% own a 1080p HDTV, so a very small few on this site will even benefit from it, oh I guess that the less than 5% are all Sony fans, huh? yeah, they all will claim to have a 1080p just so they feel important or dominant...."Well if you believe that, then I have some majic beans to sell you."
Now all of a sudden, HDMI is "BIG NEWS" because its something 360 doesn't have, which means that its definitely neccessary for all gamers now. -I mean without HDMI, what the hell are going to be able to play videogames with? lol Like I said Sonyfanboys continue to make the same mistakes over and over again, WHY? because first of all its not neccessary because 1080p can be done through component cables,(if you really care) BTW, 720p looks stunning through component cables, seriously its one of those things that you have to try to notice, nit picking I guess. I mean really, ask yourself of all "The list of PS3 titles in native 1080p however is growing by the week." -quote again from DJ, uhm GT HD and Virtua Tennis or whatever, tell me which one screams "OMG that looks waaaaaay better than________ in 720p", and that goes for 360 and PS3 games too.
Now the second thing about HDMI is that M$ has said that if there is a need for HDMI, they could easily release a supporting cabable adapter, Sonyfanboys made the mistake of saying "No they can't before" and they were wrong, but I think DJ actually has some sense enough to know this is true, thats why he's talking about "add ons", OK so what if its an add on.....its a choice for the very few who even need or want it at all, while the rest of "US"(the majority)don't have to pay for it. WOW! imagine that, 360 owners don't have to pay for an uneccessary feature that they don't want. *cough, Blu-ray, cough, cough.
Don't worry DJ, I'm not going to spam you, like you asked....thats not my style, but try not to contradict yourself so much, it makes you look really bad, and worst part is your fellow fanboys believe in you. lol
I wrote: "The list of PS3 titles in native 1080p however is growing by the week. I know it's hard to accept that the PS3 is more powerful and feature-packed than the 360, but it's true."
Then you said: "notice now he says "PS3 is more powerful (referring to the 360, of course) because it can do native 1080p". WOW, I guess theres no end to his denial and flip-floping on issues. "
I specifically said that the number of PS3 titles supporting 1080p is growing by the week. Then I started a new sentence. The new sentence said "I know it's hard to accept that the PS3 is more powerful and feature-packed than the 360, but it's true." The thing is, you read between the lines and claim that I was saying that PS3 is more powerful because it can do native 1080p, but nowhere did I say those specific words. All I said in that sentence is that it's more powerful and feature-packed (1080p is a feature). Considering that the 360 requires an online update to get this feature (and isn't included in the firmware to begin with) my statement is valid since I referred to the consoles themselves and not updates or add-ons.
Now that we have new information however, it turns out that 4 titles on the 360 will support native 1080p. The reason I stand by my original statement however is PS3's standard HDMI 1.3 output. And that's a feature that can't be upgraded and matched on the 360, not even through firmware updates or add-ons.
"its a choice for the very few who even need or want it at all, while the rest of "US"(the majority)don't have to pay for it."
sorry phoenix but there is really no choice in the matter at all. Complete Package = Full Experience. Bare Minimums = Bare Minimums. its as simple as that. Give me a counter point and i will be glad to give you one right back. i dont kno why you still knocking bluray. ive adopted to it early and its livin up to wut i expected. bluray not needed for games counldnt be a more oppisite. Its really NOT for Space because the is a none issue. "just use more dvds" hah its the devs choice to put there game on a bluray disc or not for the the PS3 because it STILL SUPPORTS THE DVD FORMAT.
BUT puttin a game on multiple discs is inefficient after the game reachs 2 discs then that when the game starts to become expensive.
production is literally doubled. 3 DVDs Triple productions costs. 4 DVDs quadruple productions costs. and all for 1 game. that is what makes games pricey. TIME not the format it is on. FIY Most dev's rent out pressing facilies to mass produce their games becuase its cheaper and safer than buying millions of $ worth of machines when they can spend a fraction of that by contracting
OK, I'll give some counter points......
1.A "choice" by definition means that you have options to choose from, which means when M$ says they will release, an HDMI cable adapter for the 360 when needed; just for those few who need or want it (1080p HDTV owners) at all can buy it. Again thats an option, which is and, I'll say it slowy for you this time is called a "CHOICE".
2.I personally can't tell the difference but most of the suppose experts who have reviewed BD vs HD DVD have said HD DVD looks better, so buy your own definition Blu-ray is not the "Full Experience" because right now it seems to have a lower picture quality. I don't agree that if something looks slightly different, then its not the "Full Experience", but YOU said it not me.
3. OK this one is easy, now you talk about BD's storage capacity for games, when nothing currently on BD's surpasses DVD9 as far as the quality of games go. In fact I think the reverse is true, because the best looking/HOT games right now are either multiplatform or exclusive to M$, which are on DVD9's, I know thats debatable, but if you look around at sites like IGN, you will see that its true for MOST of the buzz/HOT titles.
4. lol Not that it matters, but you are confusing production costs with manufacturing costs, because when dev's are making the game(production) they utilize many different computers and the content of the games are seperated onto many different disks anyway, but thats just so "programmer A." can work on this part of the game while "programmer B." is working on this part and "artist A." can do this while "artist B." does that and so on. But when everything has been done, they simply compile all the work on one disk or two; -that isn't increasing production costs for directly attributed to making the game. Now if the game has to be manufactured(pressed) on two discs, which we still haven't seen on 360 even with games like Oblivion, but its not a bid deal since blank DVD's are dirt cheap right now, go to Wal-Mart, you can get a whole bunch cheap. So your whole 3 DVD's triple production costs theory is totaly ridiculous lol.
5. So your whole entire post is talking about future assumptions, Blu-ray is not NECCESSARY RIGHT NOW, its going to take 4-5yrs, but aren't you really just mad that M$ can do 1080p for games and movies without BD's?, which makes BD's look even more uneccessary...come on tell the truth. Again, nothing you said about Blu-ray is revelant for games right now.....and when we finally do need 50gigs of space for games M$ will be launching the next-next gen Xbox console with all the newest, latest, and greatest technology, which means PS3 will be old, outdated and forced to get started on PS4, just to catch up.
Reality hurts,....Deal with it.
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Nice try DJ, but still contradicting yourself...lets see....
DJ's quote from #24.1:
"All I said in that sentence is that it's more powerful and feature-packed (1080p is a feature). Considering that the 360 requires an online update to get this feature (and isn't included in the firmware to begin with) my statement is valid since I referred to the consoles themselves and not updates or add-ons."-----Thats about the most absurd thing I ever heard, you say I read between the lines, but you just weasled between the lines; The tech (GPU/CPU) for the 360 is already done and in every 360 console it allows the 360 to be updated for 1080p, so if 1080p is in fact a feature as you admit; How can it not be considered just as powerful when the tech is already there? and only requires an online update, just like when get updates online with a computer, it doesn't suddenly make your PC more powerful, lol so I guess you can go online get an update and suddenly your Pentium 3 will be a Pentium 4. uhm, No DJ...it doesn't work like that.....in fact the opposite is true, sometimes you cannot update your PC online if your computer does not have the system requirements/not powerful enough. BTW, same is true for add ons, you cannot use certain accessories or software if your computer doesn't have the proper system requirements/hardware spec's. That was a very weak attempt DJ, try again....just put a little more effort into it this time.
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