With the Max Payne 3 Rockstar DLC Pass, it seems as if one of the best and most respected publishers is becoming corrupt by greed. Rockstar Games shouldn't lower their standards for money.
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They did this with LA Noire too. I don't see the problem with paying for passes like this to get all the DLC paid for in one go. Nothing's locked to only the Rockstar Pass as you can do everything the base game has, including MP, without it. It's entirely optional and saves money over the cost of buying the extras as they come out.
This isn't even in the same category as EA's online passes. Not even close. How is giving people an option to prepay for all the DLC in one go 'lowering their standards' or 'greedy'? This is no different than paying for season tickets to your favorite sports team's games.
Why are retailers blamed for online passes? We are the ones which seem to be buying second hand games so arnt we to blame??? On top of that what effect does this online pass have on us? After all if i wanted to by a game that just released second hand in the UK i think the best possible price i would find (If someone already traded it in) would be £35...
EDIT: Also i didnt know microsoft did DLC passes. Can someone tell me when they did this cuz the only one i can think of is Gears 3 but that dlc was just an extra character skin and was pretty worthless.
I purchased the $10 R*PASS for LA NOIRE and I thought I got a real bang for my buck. There was a lot of content there.
Issue is it was cut content for lack of space. Rockstar doesn't screw over people, but they couldn't fit anymore content on the 360 DVDs. That kind of irked me but I didn't feel cheated out over it. I felt the system was screwed. They could of really stiffed us adn sold it for much more but they didn't and for 4 missions, a bunch of new cars, gear, clothes and the badge challenge, I felt they hooked us up in a screwy situation. I really appreciate R*. They are great Devs/Publishers.
I don't see anything wrong with this. The gears 3 season pass was a fantastic value, and I'm still playing gears of war 3 today because of the fresh content. the content is great. If you don't like it, then don't buy it... simple as that.
I agree 100% and I'm not only saying this because its R*, but MaxPayne took a lot of time to make therefore increasing development cost. ( this game was going to launch in 2009)
I checked on R*s website and MaxPayne3 will have LOTSSS of DLC and I loved the first 2 games so I paid the 30$. No one forced me too... But one thing I find disappointing Il admit is the fact that coop will be in a future DLC and not on the disk :(
Ive waited 6 years for this so 30$ to enjoy the game even more is nothing imo. I don't buy any DLC by the way only the ones I think are worthy or for games I really like.
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Check this video and try to prove me this game doesn't look sick online. Companies like R*games always innovate and push the bar higher that's why I support them :P ...
RDR had alot of DLC too, but some of them were free. LaNoire not so much but still. This is R*games were talking about.
This DLC gives you no options Why does it have to be an all or nothing deal? What if I'm only interested in 1 map pack? Where is my option to only pay for 1 map pack?
I'm on a DLC strike. I refuse to buy any DLC for ANY game. You guys should join me and we can stop this evil practice of holding off a piece of the game to sell us later for even more money.
I like the idea of adding maps and content to games. If a game shipped with 20 mp maps, you'd play through them all and get tired of them. Adding a few DLC maps here and there keeps it somewhat fresh. I don't mind forking over some money for new content. The only things I won't pay for are armor and skins
I think they are starting too....it's no where near as bad as those three but I can see then going down this path even further in the future.
The problem is that Rockstars respect in the industry will protect them from coming under fire for their actions untill it's too late. I mean people won't dare call Rockstar out untill Rockstar go so far out with their DLC like Capcom that it will be too obvious to ignore.
It's worrying because I don't want Rockstar to go down this path but if they do start to change people will defend the crap out of them. "Oh it's Rockstar everything they do is amazing"..."It's a Rockstar game it will be good"..."Rockstar can't do no wrong". If it does happen and they do start to change then people will not want to face that one the best developers aroujnd are turning into someone like EA or Capcom.
I think they've gotten a little big headed and now think that because of what people think of them they can anything they want and get away with it. Look at the direction of Max Payne 3, they know for a fact it dosen't look like a Max Payne game but they still know people will buy it because of it's high quality...and it does look quite amazing if you don't think of it as Max Payne game.
They haven't turned into those three yet...but if they go further down this path it won't be long untill they do.
Just think about it...we thought Capcom/Square were amazing in the PS1 days and even last gen but this gen....how the mighty fall.
It prooves that this can happen to anyone...even Rockstar
The best thing we can do is keep a clear head, watch them closey and don't be afriad to say anything if the worst happens.
R* have a ton of haters. Mostly because they have sold out to Microsoft big time this gen. PC gamers hate them the most, while still loving their games. PC gamers also don't put up with dlc at all, we don't mind expansions but dlc can get the f out. I especially hate the "pre-order from gamestop and receive 3 weapons" dlc. Oh and capcom always tried milking, how many versions of street fighter 2 did they make... just unbelievable. And square havent done anything wrong except forget why people liked their games in the first place... they spent too much time researching what people want instead of just realizing what worked for them.
Rockstar don't have that many haters, they are one of the most respected developers out there.
If you went into a crowd of gamers and yelled "I hate Rockstar" you would get
"WHAT"
"Why"
"Are you joking"
You said something about Capcom it would be probably be like
"Yeah they are arseholes"
"Greedy B*st*rds"
"Yup hate them aswell"
I think Mike is right though, if they do change we better act on it.
People let Capcom go because they had "hope" they would get better but they never. Once a company have been given a taste of more money, all they'll want is more money
Frankfurt. Compare the fact that you get Sony's online included with every game you buy new. With Microsoft, you have to pay to access online with any and every game, whether it's new or used.
I've gotten my Live from Amazon.com for 34.99 for the past 4 years. Just gotta catch the sale. I wouldn't pay the full price. Amazon always has it on sale.
i miss the days when content was packed into a game expecting most of the games followers to at least be satisfied with what came in the box, example halo 2. but then when the players asked for more they received but with a cost for extra content. now its lets see how much we can include to make a bare bones game and then give all the content for an extra price because the games not "complete" unless you have the dlc. bullshit is what it is, and i havent been keeping up with dlc since and i refuse to ever buy a season pass.
Play Twisted Metal on PS3, because its the only game without DLC this year. And its actually full with content on the disc.
Edit: Just stating the facts, because no game out there right now has not been release without a day one DLC or DLC weeks after, except for Twisted Metal. Don't know why I got an disagree lol!!!!
Rockstar is a better studio than, EA, Activision, and Microsoft combine. Rockstar games has more quality, and well worth it DLCs in their games. No they are not becoming like the big 3 publishers, because they don't need to. They don't rush their games, they release them until they are litterally ready. I predict that Max Payne 3 will be so great that it could even overshadow Ghost Recon Future Soldier, and even steal some gamers off of Modern Warfare 3. Max Payne 3 and hopefully GTA 5 will own 2012, and I am ready to buy them.
I'm not complaining. Rockstar's passes have always been worth it and if one were to take the time to do the math, you actually save money by purchasing the pass, opposed to purchasing each piece of content separately.
Jump to conclusions much? Rockstar is now greedy for offering a season pass. Brilliant conclusion... Maybe just maybe you can understand you are not forced to buy a season pass... and that you can buy map packs individually if you like... and that their season pass can be bought at any time so 3 months down the road you decide you really like Max Payne 3 and you want all the dlc coming to it you can just buy the pass and save some coin.
Also, maybe we should take this as a clear signal from publishers and developers that the system of used games really needs to change. This is their fix for making additional money due to not seeing a dime from used games. Every publisher now seems to be offering this and it all points back to the greed of the Gamestops and not wanting to share a penny from their used game sales.
Lastly, I think things like this are a good sign in that it clearly shows Rockstar plans to support this game with DLC for a long time and not just pump out 1 or 2 map packs and call it a day.
As long as they take their time with their games and continue to publish masterpieces like Grand Theft Auto IV, Red Dead Redemption, L.A. Noire, and Max Payne 3, then I'll never have a bad thing to say about them. Their titles just OOZE with quality from every pore. The only games I ever get truly hyped for anymore are Rockstar games.
If you like the game, buy the DLC, if not don't. Its a pretty simple thing. I've preordered the game already, if I enjoy the multiplayer I'll buy the DLC. I don't mind DLC at all, it gives games longer lifespans, and for a lot of games the DLC adds awesome content.
Ms has never offered a online pass. Retailers like gamestop have though. if you consider xbox live a pass than your picking straws as sony has a online pass with a lot of their games plus psn plus. Resistance 3 was a horrble online pass btw. Now I'm not saying online passes are a bad deal as they save you money if you are buying the dlc eitherway but I wanted to call the article out for not putting sonys name in the title instead of ms as the way it is now is perfect for n4g but its not the truth.
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This isn't even in the same category as EA's online passes. Not even close. How is giving people an option to prepay for all the DLC in one go 'lowering their standards' or 'greedy'? This is no different than paying for season tickets to your favorite sports team's games.
Wait for it if you want everything on disk without the extra price. I will be.
Already have the GTAIV, RDR, and LA Noire complete editions, so it's pretty much guaranteed this will get one too.
And online passes are what Gamestop and other second-hand sellers forced publishers to do.
Why are retailers blamed for online passes? We are the ones which seem to be buying second hand games so arnt we to blame??? On top of that what effect does this online pass have on us? After all if i wanted to by a game that just released second hand in the UK i think the best possible price i would find (If someone already traded it in) would be £35...
EDIT: Also i didnt know microsoft did DLC passes. Can someone tell me when they did this cuz the only one i can think of is Gears 3 but that dlc was just an extra character skin and was pretty worthless.
Wait for it if you want everything on disk without the extra price."
I agree, but DLC passes CAN be done right. If for $29.99, I get ALL the multiplayer DLC for Max Payne 3 AND GTA5...then thats a fantastic deal.
Issue is it was cut content for lack of space. Rockstar doesn't screw over people, but they couldn't fit anymore content on the 360 DVDs. That kind of irked me but I didn't feel cheated out over it. I felt the system was screwed. They could of really stiffed us adn sold it for much more but they didn't and for 4 missions, a bunch of new cars, gear, clothes and the badge challenge, I felt they hooked us up in a screwy situation. I really appreciate R*. They are great Devs/Publishers.
I buy the game if it's good, and absolutely enjoy pirating every piece of DLC.
I checked on R*s website and MaxPayne3 will have LOTSSS of DLC and I loved the first 2 games so I paid the 30$. No one forced me too... But one thing I find disappointing Il admit is the fact that coop will be in a future DLC and not on the disk :(
Ive waited 6 years for this so 30$ to enjoy the game even more is nothing imo. I don't buy any DLC by the way only the ones I think are worthy or for games I really like.
EDIT:
Check this video and try to prove me this game doesn't look sick online. Companies like R*games always innovate and push the bar higher that's why I support them :P ...
RDR had alot of DLC too, but some of them were free. LaNoire not so much but still. This is R*games were talking about.
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Why does it have to be an all or nothing deal? What if I'm only interested in 1 map pack? Where is my option to only pay for 1 map pack?
Or well, that's how I think they'll do it.
The problem is that Rockstars respect in the industry will protect them from coming under fire for their actions untill it's too late. I mean people won't dare call Rockstar out untill Rockstar go so far out with their DLC like Capcom that it will be too obvious to ignore.
It's worrying because I don't want Rockstar to go down this path but if they do start to change people will defend the crap out of them. "Oh it's Rockstar everything they do is amazing"..."It's a Rockstar game it will be good"..."Rockstar can't do no wrong". If it does happen and they do start to change then people will not want to face that one the best developers aroujnd are turning into someone like EA or Capcom.
I think they've gotten a little big headed and now think that because of what people think of them they can anything they want and get away with it. Look at the direction of Max Payne 3, they know for a fact it dosen't look like a Max Payne game but they still know people will buy it because of it's high quality...and it does look quite amazing if you don't think of it as Max Payne game.
They haven't turned into those three yet...but if they go further down this path it won't be long untill they do.
Just think about it...we thought Capcom/Square were amazing in the PS1 days and even last gen but this gen....how the mighty fall.
It prooves that this can happen to anyone...even Rockstar
The best thing we can do is keep a clear head, watch them closey and don't be afriad to say anything if the worst happens.
PC gamers also don't put up with dlc at all, we don't mind expansions but dlc can get the f out. I especially hate the "pre-order from gamestop and receive 3 weapons" dlc.
Oh and capcom always tried milking, how many versions of street fighter 2 did they make... just unbelievable. And square havent done anything wrong except forget why people liked their games in the first place... they spent too much time researching what people want instead of just realizing what worked for them.
If you went into a crowd of gamers and yelled "I hate Rockstar" you would get
"WHAT"
"Why"
"Are you joking"
You said something about Capcom it would be probably be like
"Yeah they are arseholes"
"Greedy B*st*rds"
"Yup hate them aswell"
I think Mike is right though, if they do change we better act on it.
People let Capcom go because they had "hope" they would get better but they never. Once a company have been given a taste of more money, all they'll want is more money
I feel really bad for xbox owners, they have to pay twice if they by a used game
Frankfurt. Compare the fact that you get Sony's online included with every game you buy new. With Microsoft, you have to pay to access online with any and every game, whether it's new or used.
Edit: Just stating the facts, because no game out there right now has not been release without a day one DLC or DLC weeks after, except for Twisted Metal. Don't know why I got an disagree lol!!!!
Just to clarify I know it says you'll get new maps, skins ect, ect, but I would like to know specifics.
Stop buying games on the day of the release. Speak with your dollars.
Also what did we expect, its not just companies being evil, there is piracy going on, anythign a dev and publisher can do to curve it they will do.
I would also like to randomly say, Rockstar if your reading this why the heck is Red Dead still not on PC? :>
Also, maybe we should take this as a clear signal from publishers and developers that the system of used games really needs to change. This is their fix for making additional money due to not seeing a dime from used games. Every publisher now seems to be offering this and it all points back to the greed of the Gamestops and not wanting to share a penny from their used game sales.
Lastly, I think things like this are a good sign in that it clearly shows Rockstar plans to support this game with DLC for a long time and not just pump out 1 or 2 map packs and call it a day.