XMNR: Activision and Electronic Arts talked smack back and forth over the Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 3 and Battlefield 3 last year. It looks like we can expect the same this year as an EA product manager had some choice words for Call of Duty: Black Ops 2 after the game was revealed on Tuesday night.
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Anyway, EA shouldn't be talking trash after what happened last year...
It's like a fat girl calling another fat firl fat.
in your determination to have something rival or come close to cod, you allowed/made dice release what is arguably the worst bf game made.
not only that, you have stood by and let them patch it to unplayability! coupled with the money grubbing "rent a server", you are no position to criticise anyone.
this is coming from someone who is a massive console bf fanboy as well.... i traded bf3 yesterday by the way, when i played both the bad companies until the end. sad times
Madden and COD are two totaly differen't games aimed at differen't audiences.
The people who buy them know what they are in store for when they buy them, I mean games like Madden are mainly made for the sports lovers who don't play on games much. All my friends who play football/rugby/basketball (the "Athelets") buy the sports games and nothing else.
EDIT: @FatOldMan
I wouldn't say EVERY COD stereotype just plays on that one game. Most of them must surley play on other FPS and they must know bits and bobs about the industry.
If you take a sports person who keeps on buying Fifa or Madden...they couldn't even tell you what Half life is or what a NES is never mind them knowing how mnuch they are being screwed buying the same game every year. COD fans know it...just don't want to admit it.
The stereotypical CoD player also plays nothing else but CoD.
FPS, on the other hand, is not a genre that has ever had that necessity. The new game came out after the previous one got stale and the next one was finished. Of course, these days, FPS titles are stale after a month or two, unless you wanna pay the cost of another game over the course of the next year in order to stay relevant.
Hell, I'm not even a big Madden fan, but I can look back at Madden from 5 years ago and tell it's nothing like the most recent one. Call of Duty... not so much.
Edit: For the most part, I agree. There isn't a lot that changes in Madden(presentation has been the largest improvement in recent years), but you could, as I said, look at Madden 2007 and see a massive improvement in 2012. Call of Duty's changes aren't as readily noticeable.
And people DO complain. Lots of people do. It may require you to be in certain neighborhoods, but the lack of change has definitely been noted.
Other sports games like NBA2K, MLB The Show, FIFA, all release every year and feel fresh. While Madden is a rehash every year, yet people buy it smh.
EA:
Battlefield Bad Company - 2008
Battlefield Heroes - 2009
Battlefield 1943 - 2009
Battlefield Bad Company 2 - 2010
Medal of Honor - 2010
Battlefield Online - 2010
Battlefield Play4Free - 2011
Battlefield 3 - 2011
Medal of Honor Warfighter - 2012
Activision:
COD World at War - 2008
COD Modern Warfare 2 - 2009
COD Black Ops - 2010
COD Modern Warfare 3 - 2011
COD Black Ops 2 - 2012
Looks like EA are the ones pumping out too many sequels each year, not Activision. I mean at least COD releases once a year, whereas EA is trying to pump out 2 or even 3 games each year in an attempt to compete, and EA are the ones calling COD tired?!
COD 2 - 2005
COD 3 - 2006
COD 4 Modern Warfare - 2007
Looks like you're hiding something by telling half truths. I know you're going on a 2008 - 2012 list, but you are also listing games like Battlefield Heroes and Battlefield Play4Free which don't really fit into the full retail Battlefield scheme. You're also lumping in Medal of Honor which is a completely different series... if you're going to include MOH, then go ahead and include all the COD map packs which get as much attention at any MOH title. Finally, you list Battlefield 1943, and if you're going to do that you may as well include the HD remake of the original COD... if Medal of Honor were really relevant to the discussion, I'd say add Medal of Honor Frontline to the conversation. Anyway, BOTH publishers push their premier shooters... everyone need to either play them, or shut up and let the rest of us play them.
Stimulus Package
Resurgence Package
World at War 3 DLC Packs
Rezurrection
Annihilation
Modern Warfare 3 DLC - 4x ?
Various handheld titles
Secondly, it doesn't matter if MOH is a different franchise because I was comparing output by publisher, not franchise. Trying to skirt around that is pointless anyways since EA has made a point of stating that they're trying to compete with COD with both BF and MOH anyways.
I was just illustrating how hypocritical EA are is all, no need to get upset and jump to the brave defense of some faceless comporation that's been ranked as the worst in America. My whole point is that yeah Activision has yearly releases, but cold hard fact shows that EA pumps out more games in the same genre. It's not even up for debate unless you're going to try and seriously argue that these games don't exist, in which case you forfeit on account of being crazy.
Fact is, EA pumps out more shit than Activision does. It's not solely in the shooter genre either. Look at all those yearly sports games, look at those yearly Need For Speed releases too. If you like Battlefield that's fine, but if you're going to seriously try and claim that EA aren't pathetic and hypocritical then you're just being silly.
I'm saying this as someone who doesn't even like COD by the way.
Edit: Hahaha you edited in COD DLC but casually ignore all the DLC EA has pushed out for their shooters? Bravo, now you just look like a fanboy!
There's a big difference between free DLC and $15 map packs.
Like I said in my post above "Anyway, BOTH publishers push their premier shooters... "
I was pointing out that your list is biased... I was just adding some omissions. I'm not defending EA... you see it that way because you're putting them on trial.
Truth be told, I agree with you that EA should keep their mouths shut and concentrate on making a great game... same with Activision. You say "EA pumps out more s#!t than Activision does."... yeah, because they have franchises worth pumping out like Mass Effect, Dead Space, SSX, etc. All Activision really has is CoD. It's not some allegiance I have to EA, I just play their games way more than Activision, because they do what a publisher should do... make games.
I wonder if Black Ops 2 is a hint of EA pushing Battlefield 2143 out next year?
Every sports game is tired. That's the nature of the genre, especially nowadays. Why cite one specific franchise?
Bottom line, we're talking about military shooters here. Both EA and Activision pump out their respective big-name FPS franchises, more or less. However, I personally feel Battlefield has been a far superior game to COD over the past several years, with much bigger improvements to the engine and gameplay than COD.
"omg this is way better than modern warfare 3! you can blow up buildings and stuff! wow! this is incredible!"
and then i told him, the engine he was playing on was an old one (frostbite 2)
i told him that frostbite 3 (battlefield 3) is out right now and its available.
he went to gamestop, sold modern warfare 3 and some others and bought battlefield 3.
BFBC1 - FB 1
BFBC2 - FB 1.5
BF3 - FB 2
@Chobit, If it makes you feel any better, I've had an exact situation similar to his where I've had friends who do nothing but play MW3, then I showed them BF3, then they sh*t themselves. Metaphorically speaking of course.
I don't see why there needs to be animosity.
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It was the multi-player that was bullocks. If they can mix the single player experience of the first one with the multi-player experience of BF3, then wow.
Its odd to see EA take a jab at Activision when they're both competing for generic-shooter-of-the-year award.
Dice did the mp moh last time while dangerclose did the single player.
This time its all in house development by danger close, im expecting somert good.
O.O
Maybe CoD using next-gen id Tech 5 engine....and awesome..
I bet they are well into developing the engine now. Expect a real new CoD ready for new console launch.
Until then, the game can burn. What ever happened to my beloved Call of Duty 2..
Let's take a look into our near future.
Graw:FS
Moh2
Blops2
All the same game basicly. But only 2 of them have current engines with actual attempts at innovation.
Just saying.
Your still the worst EA. Nothing will change that
"Black Ops 2 stupid! Buy Medal of Honor! Itz betterz!"
They put out more games and use the same tech year after year. It get's stale really fast.
Where as EA are always pushing their games using new technology.
Call of Duty just isn't fun anymore. Hell, they messed up the Call of Duty: Classic game they released on the Arcade. Why was it limited to 8 players online with such dated graphics?
The gameplay itself will still be the same run n gun boringness it has been for ages, the entire game needs rebooting from scratch.
Its going to have all the same criticisms as the other COD games, regardless of its setting if that is the only thing they are changing.
No such thing as pro's in games like that, way to many perks, autolockon, camp on tiny maps.
Played a few rounds of ctf, and the amount of camping at the flag was unreal.
Still the best game ever online WAS QUAKE3. Strangely enough modern warfare 3 still uses it's engine.
But yes the engine is tired, was great years ago. but times move on.
1 - Okay, we need to make another Call of Duty. How are we going to make a sequel to Black Ops?
2 - Hum...WOWA! Make it in the future with some MGS mechs, Deus Ex environment and horse riding sequences that instantly remind those from Uncharted 3! And don't forget to keep the same old shit engine from the previous games!
1 - Brilliant! Now that's what I call innovation!
3 - Hey guys, what about Ghost Recon? It *gets shot in the face*
1 - Black Ops II, here we go! We added the roman numeral just to distinguish it from the MW series! And to look badass!
Madden is just run, pass, score, run, pass, score. See how easy it is? CoD is "not hella different, just different" as well, different campaign, different levels, different guns, different game modes.
You can say all you want, both are rehashed games and neither EA or Activision should abuse the opposing franchise for doing something that they both do.