PlayStation All-Stars Battle Royale: Is This the Best Title Sony Could Make?
Does the title sound as exciting as the game itself? If you answered yes then you must enjoy playing Nintendo Superstars Smash and Bash or Nintendo Super Speedway Race to the Finish in your free time.
(PlayStation All-Stars Battle Royale, PS3, Sony)
Its become so bad that now instead of focusing on gameplay journalists focus on the name of a product. Gaming journalism at its best right here on n4g. Or should i say n4marketing folk
They took a concept and modified it to be different from the "original". I'm pretty sure SSB wasn't the first brawler out there either, it was just the first to contain lots of Nintendo household characters. There are only a handful of truly original and unique games and almost every modern game has it's roots somewhere.
You people can disagree with Wintersun616 comment all you want but it doesn't change the fact that he's right. I sure wish people would explain themselves when disagreeing with something. Would make a whole lot easier knowing the trolls from the people who actually have something to say.
Thank you, The_Nameless_One, good to see at least someone understands my point.
Again I find myself explaining my thoughts further; There were several brawling games out there before SSB. SSB took the basic concept of those games but made the characters be known characters who we're more or less affiliated with the brand Nintendo. I'm not saying SSB is entirely without innovation or originality.
Now when I look at PSASBR, I see a game that's going to take the basic concept of SSB but judging from the clip that was on GTTV, they have changed things too. On the surface they might look very similar, but when you pay attention to detail, you would know it's not a "blatant copy" of SSB. Naturally, SSB is the more original game of the two, but if PSASBR is a carbon copy of SSB, then I guess Forza is a carbon copy of GT and *game X* is a carbon copy of *game Y with similar gameplay and earlier release than game X* too.
While I 100% agree with you wintersun, that SSB was not the first brawler. I believe powerstone was before the first SSB (though I may very well be wrong there. And even if I am wrong, the point still stands that there have been casual brawlers before Super Smash Bros.
That being said though, I do believe Nintendo invented the concept with the ORIGINAL Mario Bros in arcades. You know.....the one that was just Mario vs Luigi on 3-tier levels jumping on each other's heads. If you aren't old enough to remember that actual game or never saw it in arcades (it was pretty rare because it was a lame game no1 wanted to put quarters into), Nintendo added an updated version of it for people to play in Super Mario Bros 3, I'm sure everyone remembers that. It was the same thing.
So you're right, Super Smash Bros wasn't an original idea at all, it's just the best exectuted game of that type so far. And you can't expect Sony to not base their brawler on the best brawler out there. Sony IS ripping off Smash Bros a bit, but I don't think Sony is ripping off Nintendo any more than any other comany rips off another when making the same kind of product. You can't make it worse than an existing product and expect it to sell, right?
But all that being said........I would say, because I've been a gamer for a long time, that Nintendo DID in fact create the brawler genre back in the early 80's, pre-NES, with Mario Bros in arcades. (though I don't remember off the top of my head what the EXACT name of that game was....I think it was just Mario Bros, but it could have been called something else. I was literally 8 yrs old the last time I saw one of those machines)
It's not their fault. You can't blame their ignorance. Many people out there don't even know about the games that existed before SSB and don't want to know. They exist in a gaming bubble and know nothing about what existed before their favorite games did.
Even game journalists constantly flaunt the fact that they know next to nothing about gaming history by trying to as they cause chaos by trying to make the companies look like they have come up with something new and snub anyone who points out that it was done before.
At one time you needed gaming knowledge to become a gaming journalist but it seems that these days they seem to just take any person off the street, dress him up and let him type drive on a website. As long as PASBR is fun and well done I couldn't careless. I loved SSB and if this is just as good or better that's fine. I am especially loving the three special bars. That means three times the special attacks and three times the awesome.
@ Larry L. Just a suggestion. I agree with what you said but 'ripping off' is a fanboy word. Many companies 'copy' what each other does. If Sony came up with a winning idea e.g. double joysticks on a controller you would see how fast others would follow suit. Would you call the fact that Microsoft and Nintendo followed Sony's idea to put double joysticks on a controller 'ripping it off'?
Why so much hate towards this game? Because its taking the formula of an amazing game? I rather play as kratos and sweet tooth than mario and luigi. Plus the previews are saying that its a fun game with great characters, maybe that's why they hate it. Because of the better characters.
First of all....everything is a rip-off of everything at this point. There are no more.....or at least VERY few, completely original ideas (in fiction) at this point. And you really just have to call it "an homage" if anyone starts talking "rip-off".
The fact is, it's shocking to me that a Super Smash Bros clone hasn't already been made YEARS ago by some random 3rd party or indie dev with tons of random characters no1 has ever heard of or cares about.
IMO that is the ONLY reason it hasn't already been done many times already. Because what other company besides Nintendo has a roster of characters in their stable to make a decent brawler or fighter? There's only one or two other companies with the roster.......Capcom, who've been using their characters for x-over fighters for almost 2 decades, so they've already done it........and maybe Square Enix, who have now done a fighter AND a brawler with their characters (Eherghiz and Dissidia). There's only one other gaming company left with a roster worthy of a fighter/brawler, and that's SONY. And I say it's about time they did it. It something people have been asking for since the PS2 days.
yeah, from what I've seen of the roster so far it leaves a lot to be desired. Just shows you how weak the playstation character roster actually is. I mean fat princess, come on, surely they have some more recognisable characters than that...
That's just off the top of my head without much thought put into it, and I even left most of the villains out of it. If you happen to recognize only a few of those names, then all I can say you've been missing out on A LOT of good games.
anyone can list a majority of unrecognisable non-popular playstation characters with 3rd party characters to make a list look big, that doesn't mean they have mass appeal like nintendo characters do. It doesn't mean I don't think those game aren't good either.
I expected that illogical response when I wrote my reply. Can't believe how often people use the straw man fallacy on this site. It's pathetic that I have to clarify myself like this.
No dude. Nintendo would have been bashed to hell for it cause that's what people do on this site. They see that a big developer is coming out with a great game, and they bash it to look cool and to troll... it's an endless cycle. Same goes for all Sony games like this one.
I smell a troll :P , because theirs no way in hell I am a Nintendo fanboy , I don't even own Smash Bros or a Wii for that matter , PC / PS3 all the way :P
PlayStation All Stars could become a new branding with Battle Royale as a subtitle....maybe they could do a PAS: Adventure or Racing or whatever lol seems like it would be cool...PlayStation has been around and built a large enough cast that it can now do some fan service/ Nintendo esqe style things which would capture both casual and hardcore markets alike.
lol...you gotta love it. What seems to be a great game from all accounts so far still manages to find someone complaining about something. Shorten that title!!!! I am just completely entertained by that gaming journalism gem.
They're at least trying, I'll give them that but thanks, I'll just keep sticking to Mortal Kombat. I couldn't be any less hyped than that for a game. Too colorful for my taste. Kids gonna love it, though.
Oh come on, that was a cheap argument. You know what I meant, I was implying my taste when it comes to "fighting" games. Braid is a platforming game, it's a totally different genre.
When it comes to fighting games I choose Mortal Kombat, Primal Rage (Arcade), Killer Instinct (NES), Bushido Blade (PS1), Def Jam: Fight for NY (PS2) and alike with a more serious tone over the cartoonish ones.
I think his argument makes perfect sense. Especially when you consider the fact that Super Smash Bros and now this game.....the "brawler" genre.....which really is completely diferent from the "fighting game" genre, are FAR more akin to 2-D platformers than fighting games. These "brawlers" are in essence just "VS. Platformers". You're playing in a small, confined platforming level.....basically trying to "jump on the proverbial head" of another player, instead of trying to jump on the head of a Goomba or Koopa Troopa.
Think the VS. levels of Super Mario Bros 3 when you play the game 2-player. It's the same exact thing, If you enjoy colorfull platformers then Super Smash Bros and now PlayStation All-Stars should be right up your alley if you actually think about what the genre is.
ANd on a side note........I'm a fighting game fan. Always have been since KARATE on NES. And to add, I was a HUGE fan of Primal Rage. You're telling me that you look at Primal Rage as a "serious" and "not colorfull" fighting game? C'mon dude. That was THE #1 most colorfull and goofy fighting game of the time, maybe of all time when it comes to being goofy. Probably even more so than Clay Fighter.
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By any other name would smell as sweet."
It's overstated and makes the title a bit long.
"PlayStation Battle Royale" sounds more memorable.
How about PlayStation Universus
maybe capitalize the V in the title .
I remember an old third-party PSX game. Kind of underrated, but i forgot the name. which was exacly like SSB
Again I find myself explaining my thoughts further; There were several brawling games out there before SSB. SSB took the basic concept of those games but made the characters be known characters who we're more or less affiliated with the brand Nintendo. I'm not saying SSB is entirely without innovation or originality.
Now when I look at PSASBR, I see a game that's going to take the basic concept of SSB but judging from the clip that was on GTTV, they have changed things too. On the surface they might look very similar, but when you pay attention to detail, you would know it's not a "blatant copy" of SSB. Naturally, SSB is the more original game of the two, but if PSASBR is a carbon copy of SSB, then I guess Forza is a carbon copy of GT and *game X* is a carbon copy of *game Y with similar gameplay and earlier release than game X* too.
That being said though, I do believe Nintendo invented the concept with the ORIGINAL Mario Bros in arcades. You know.....the one that was just Mario vs Luigi on 3-tier levels jumping on each other's heads. If you aren't old enough to remember that actual game or never saw it in arcades (it was pretty rare because it was a lame game no1 wanted to put quarters into), Nintendo added an updated version of it for people to play in Super Mario Bros 3, I'm sure everyone remembers that. It was the same thing.
So you're right, Super Smash Bros wasn't an original idea at all, it's just the best exectuted game of that type so far. And you can't expect Sony to not base their brawler on the best brawler out there. Sony IS ripping off Smash Bros a bit, but I don't think Sony is ripping off Nintendo any more than any other comany rips off another when making the same kind of product. You can't make it worse than an existing product and expect it to sell, right?
But all that being said........I would say, because I've been a gamer for a long time, that Nintendo DID in fact create the brawler genre back in the early 80's, pre-NES, with Mario Bros in arcades. (though I don't remember off the top of my head what the EXACT name of that game was....I think it was just Mario Bros, but it could have been called something else. I was literally 8 yrs old the last time I saw one of those machines)
Even game journalists constantly flaunt the fact that they know next to nothing about gaming history by trying to as they cause chaos by trying to make the companies look like they have come up with something new and snub anyone who points out that it was done before.
At one time you needed gaming knowledge to become a gaming journalist but it seems that these days they seem to just take any person off the street, dress him up and let him type drive on a website. As long as PASBR is fun and well done I couldn't careless. I loved SSB and if this is just as good or better that's fine. I am especially loving the three special bars. That means three times the special attacks and three times the awesome.
@ Larry L. Just a suggestion. I agree with what you said but 'ripping off' is a fanboy word. Many companies 'copy' what each other does. If Sony came up with a winning idea e.g. double joysticks on a controller you would see how fast others would follow suit. Would you call the fact that Microsoft and Nintendo followed Sony's idea to put double joysticks on a controller 'ripping it off'?
As long as it's a good game, why should we care?
Anyway, I wish more people took your viewpoint. Everything rips off everything nowadays and you'd have an embolism if you worried about every one.
Exactly, why stress. Just have fun with your games.
As long as its fun, who cares?
the people who put a lot of effort making their games just to get ripped off blatantly by another dev?
The fact is, it's shocking to me that a Super Smash Bros clone hasn't already been made YEARS ago by some random 3rd party or indie dev with tons of random characters no1 has ever heard of or cares about.
IMO that is the ONLY reason it hasn't already been done many times already. Because what other company besides Nintendo has a roster of characters in their stable to make a decent brawler or fighter? There's only one or two other companies with the roster.......Capcom, who've been using their characters for x-over fighters for almost 2 decades, so they've already done it........and maybe Square Enix, who have now done a fighter AND a brawler with their characters (Eherghiz and Dissidia). There's only one other gaming company left with a roster worthy of a fighter/brawler, and that's SONY. And I say it's about time they did it. It something people have been asking for since the PS2 days.
Mario, Luigi, and Fox are awesome.
Kirby is even kickass.
Sackboy, Cloud, Tifa, Vincent, Squall, Tidus, Vivi Ornitier, Balthier, Kratos, Zeus, Ares, Sweet Tooth, Nathan Drake, Sully, Nathan Hale, Sev, Solid Snake, Big Boss, Liquid Snake, Raiden, Wander/Ico, Crash Bandicoot, Cortex, Spyro, Cole MacGrath, Dante, Gabriel Logan, Sly, Bentley, Murray, Carmelita Fox, Ratchet, Clank, Dr. Nefarious, Captain Qwark, Jak, Daxter.
That's just off the top of my head without much thought put into it, and I even left most of the villains out of it. If you happen to recognize only a few of those names, then all I can say you've been missing out on A LOT of good games.
anyone can list a majority of unrecognisable non-popular playstation characters with 3rd party characters to make a list look big, that doesn't mean they have mass appeal like nintendo characters do. It doesn't mean I don't think those game aren't good either.
I expected that illogical response when I wrote my reply. Can't believe how often people use the straw man fallacy on this site. It's pathetic that I have to clarify myself like this.
Ostrava, Yuria, Maiden in Black, Dart, Rose, Lloyd, Sackboy, Drake, Chloe, Lezaravich, Yoshitsune, Shizuka, Wander, Ico, Kratos, Zeus, Parappa, Lammy, Logan, Lian Xing, Hale, Capelli, Chimera, Cole, Ratcher&Clank, Dr Nefarious, Jak&Daxter, Radec, Sevchenko, Nariko, Kai, Bohan, Rohn, Atta-Kai
I could go on and most of those names are quite recognizable and NONE of them are 3rd Party.
No one would complain. The name is good enough.
called Battle Royale: All-Stars
No one complained about the name Wii.
No one complained about the name Kinect.
No one complained about the name 3DS.
But they had a problem with the name VITA.
They now have a problem with the name Playstation All Stars Battle Royal.
I remember people saying Kinect was a stupid name. Same with Wii, how could you not think Wii is a stupid name.
Playstation All Stars Battle Royale sure is catchy though...no one could possibly find anything wrong with that.
100th CoD copies..
That said I've never understood why people like SSBB in the first place.
Which means, naturally, that you wouldn't get the appeal of a brawler using some of the most iconic faces in Sony's history.
Then again, you seem to be "not excited" by most things Sony, so even if you DID like brawlers, I doubt this game would appeal to you.
And that begs the question: why bother commenting?
Win for everybody.... as long as they're good.
What are they doing to our Ghost of Sparta?
:(
He could drive a chariot.
haha
When it comes to fighting games I choose Mortal Kombat, Primal Rage (Arcade), Killer Instinct (NES), Bushido Blade (PS1), Def Jam: Fight for NY (PS2) and alike with a more serious tone over the cartoonish ones.
Think the VS. levels of Super Mario Bros 3 when you play the game 2-player. It's the same exact thing, If you enjoy colorfull platformers then Super Smash Bros and now PlayStation All-Stars should be right up your alley if you actually think about what the genre is.
ANd on a side note........I'm a fighting game fan. Always have been since KARATE on NES. And to add, I was a HUGE fan of Primal Rage. You're telling me that you look at Primal Rage as a "serious" and "not colorfull" fighting game? C'mon dude. That was THE #1 most colorfull and goofy fighting game of the time, maybe of all time when it comes to being goofy. Probably even more so than Clay Fighter.
Haters be damned.
Doesn't sound that bad to me.
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