According to Redbox, Max Payne 3 will be two discs and both will be needed for singleplayer on the Xbox 360.
Threads like this are the reason I come to N4G EDIT: Now for my(as usual)logical reaction. This is a GOOD thing for the industry because it shows that we are being held back by the DVD9 format. I hope that the Xbox 720 and the PS4 sport nothing less than Blu-Ray format for their games.
I'm probably gonna go with the PS3 version this time around. Edit: O.O....After years of saying Blu-ray is useless, LOGICWINS admits that the DVD9 format was holding gaming back (FF13 multiplatform rants) and hopes that the next gen consoles support it. Funny.
Dante, The first disk will be the campaign and the second disk will be the multiplayer.
"After years of saying Blu-ray is useless" ROFL...and I assume you have evidence(old comments) to back that up right? Oh N4G, your deluded world brightens up my afternoons =) EDIT: *looks through old comments* "Damn sun, can't find nothin!" *disagree*
Well, Dante, sometimes something is useless during one point in time and then becomes useful later on. Either way, I don't think Logicwins ever made a post saying BluRay was useless.
I really hope the next gen consoles do support bluray or have something that allows the developers to have more space for game. @ Logic You and I both know that I'm not gonna scan through hundreds of pages of comments to prove anything to you. Half the people here have already witness your FF13 rants before anyway. @ kaveti "Well, Dante, sometimes something is useless during one point in time and then becomes useful later on." How was blu-ray useless at one point though? It always had it's uses.
How was bluray ever useless?? If anything it was too useful..
"If anything it was too useful.." That's the same as saying it was overkill. I should have phrased it differently. Blu-Ray wasn't useless, it just wasn't used by the majority of developers out there. Sony Santa Monica and a whole mess of other Sony studios took advantage of Blu Ray for uncompressed audio and higher quality cutscenes, but most developers didn't really take advantage of it at the beginning of the generation. About midway through we read from interviews that the DVD was beginning to restrict their development, but because publishers were more than satisfied with cutting content and selling it back to us as DLC, the need for Blu Ray was once again delayed. It is only now when larger, more ambitious titles are being developed that DVD is becoming an issue, and that's usually with open world, free-roam games or games with expansive multiplayer modes like Halo or Battlefield. It's pointless to criticize DVD now when both it and Xbox 360 are on their way out. The complaints are being addressed with a new console.
I'm saving this thread for the head2head comparison. Blu-ray hasn't helped in most of those scenarios, lol.
Blueray was pretty much useless this gen as the ps3 read speeds are so slow that you can easily change a disc in a few seconds compared to 20 min mandatory installs. Next gen bluray is welcomed as the speeds will be quicker eleiminating the pre installs. The 360 speeds have been fast enough to play any game off of disc even if every machine had a hardrive.
Funny console gamers tend to make such issues over number of disks and disk read times. Yet they are fine with sub 30fps, sub hd graphics(on most rockstar games).
isn't constantly running from the cd drive a bad thing, especially when it's reading faster? It basically wears out the drive overtime. It's always good to install the game.
Oh my gad! People, I'm going to have to lift my lazy azz of the couch after hours of play, to change disc ! Oh Lawd, someone hold mehh!
@Moncole It won't, as per the dev, half of the campaign and the full multiplayer on disc 1, the rest of the campaign on disc 2. You will need both discs together if you plan to finish the campaign mode.
@ WrAiTh Sp3cTr3: media format is irrelevant, actually. given that their last effort (L.A. noire) was the better of the two (PS3/X360) versions, i'm willing to bet that MP3 will be pretty amazing on PS3 as R* has shown to be fairly good at developing for that system. i'm also certain that coming out with a PS3 exclusive (i.e. agent) helps with one's understanding of how things work. @ reynod: funny PC elists tend to beat that dead horse of theirs.
This won't change anyone's mind. Max Payne 3 on 360 will lead all platforms in sales. Two discs isn't a game changer when you offer the best controller with the best online service in Xbox Live. Not to mention the better quality version which always seems to be the case when comparing 360 and PS3 multiplats.
I was going to buy it on PS3 anways..
idk about the rest of you but more disc's makes me feel like im getting more.
I'll put in a request that they also put it on 700mb CD's then. ;-)
AAHAHAHAHA! that was funny! if you said that in the PS1 era i would have supported you bro;)
Hah, i feel ya.
More tangibles ftw!
More exercise ftw!
Agrees with Logicwins, especially now that faster BD lasers are easier to come by and have better constant read/write rates than the ones in the PS3 and are more comparable to the high points of the variable speed rates of DVD9.
They can release PS2 version like xbox360....
That' why i buy all the rockstar games for ps3.. i bet gta 5 will be 2 or 3 discs on 360 too :/
Yes. I think this pretty much confirms that GTA V will be on 2+ discs for the 360. It doesn't matter to me anymore - I enjoy the experience that I get from not having to change the disc. Take from that what you will. As someone with the ability to do other things than wait for something to install, mandatory installs have zero impact on me or my 500GB hard drive.
LA Noire was 3 discs so I'd expect GTA 5 to be around the same.
So long as they don't screw up the ps3 version, I'll get that. All I really care about is the campaign.
And just like Read Dead Redemption & GTA 4 it will likley look and play better on the 360. The only reason LA Noire was slightly better on PS3 was because it was programmed for the PS3 from the beginning as it was originally meant to be an exclusive. People here can be a fanboy all they want, but the pictures don't lie: http://www.lensoftruth.com/... As for me, I don't have some mystical allegiance to any certain hardware, I will play it on whatever console it looks better on. Unlike most of today's generation, I'm not to lazy to get up and change a disk that takes less than 5 seconds. Hell people now days don't even want to leave there house to buy a game... it's stupid. And this is a rather stupid thing to argue over.
http://n4g.com/news/985088/... Developed in parallel. Not the same situation as Red Dead. Don't make any assumptions with this one.
@snake-doctor Its that attitude that doesn't inspire progression. Many people including myself would rather have the ease of not having to disk swap, especially if the technology is there to meet that requirement.
Anyone else clicked on this article just for the comments? :)
Yes and it's working :D.
360 version may be on two discs, but how will if fair in graphics and mechanics over PS3?
Since the game runs on Rockstar RAGE engine it will likely run better and look better (most likely 720P VS 640P on the PS3) just like previous games running on the same engine: RDR and GTA IV, both of which were developed simultaneously for both consoles. I just don't understand Logic's logic: since this game (just like many before it) shows that games are not limited to a single DVD9, how exactly are he held back by the DVD9 format? It seems like the quite the opposite: despite DVD9 size limit, developers are not limiting their game to just a single DVD in games which require more space (usually games with very heavy cutscenes/dialog focus do exactly that). I wonder if people will be able to launch the multiplayer portion from both discs. If this will be the case, it means that you can use a single game copy to play online together with a friend that you lend the 2nd disc to.
@ kaveti all this disinformation about bluray was started by microsoft's wording in the contract to bring GTA-IV to the 360. Those of who were around did a wtf-doubletake at the wording that required both console versions to be identical. The whole DVD9 is just fine for this gen sprung from the damage control that move required.
I don't have problem in change discs in XBOX 360, so no problem here for me.
I really dont see much of a need for a new console, but this shows why there is a need. I like where games are right now, but I do see a new for more storage and faster processors. If you look at what Max 3 is doing with 5 year old technology you have to be amazed. That game looks beautiful and exceeds Uncharted animations. The Euphoria engine is now being put to good use. Uncharted was the pathfinder and now others are starting to mimic its style(which is a good thing). Human like animations outweigh beautiful graphics.
...but blueray isnt needed????
Your right..bluray isn't needed. Just like having a T.V and gaming console isn't needed. We don't buy these things because we NEED them...we buy them because we LIKE them. Do you NEED a PS3 to play Max Payne 3? Nope Will it be a more convenient experience with one disc and free online play if you do have a PS3? You bet your ass! EDIT: Just some food for thought, if a linear experience like MP3 will be two-discs on the 360...imagine how many discs GTA5 will have to be. This supports my earlier argument that GTA5 WILL(at the very least) be a timed PS3 exclusive. I don't see how you can make an open world game multiple discs. What? The game I'll make you switch discs everytime you cross a bridge?
This doesn't matter to someone who won't buy gta...
We can't be sure that GTA5 will be on this gen of consoles. Although at this juncture in time we've seen trailers and ads that have the 360 and PS3 logos at the end, those could just be there are placeholders so as to avoid confirming to the public the existence of Xbox 3 and PS4. MS and Sony could have told Rockstar and other developers to say that those games are going to be on this current gen of consoles only to have them reveal at some later point that development has shifted toward PS4 and Xbox3. I'm not saying I believe this, but it is not beyond the realm of possibility for publishers to do this.
You can't do a GTA on multiple discs. Not to say it's impossible but it would completely destroy the immersion.. If anything it will be scaled to fit on a DVD..
@A-Glorious-Dawn Yes they can. It was done for LA Noir and Rage did it. All what the extra disc are for is for the rest of the story related missions. Otherwise the world can be played as if it were on one disc.
Nitrowolf as I said it's not impossible.. But that for me, as I said before, completely ruins the immersion in a sandbox game...
"I don't see how you can make an open world game multiple discs." Umm hello, L.A. Noire. The world itself can be on both disc, but each disc will contain different story missions. That way swapping disc is never needed unless you're advancing through the story.
@LOGIC It amazes me to see your bubble count continue to decrease. I'm being serious. It shows what "side" is stronger on this site. By a lot. Anyhoo. We are at the end of this generation, so of course DVD9 is becoming a hassle now. I still rather have to switch between disc though, rather than a mandatory install just to play the game. Anyhoo part 2...Anyhoo harder. IMO, This game will probably be bought more on the 360, as well as review better, despite having 2 disc.
I highly doubt GTA 5 will be a PS3 timed exclusive. Thats wishful thinking and nothing more.
'Umm hello, L.A. Noire.' Was LA Noire truly open world? The desk promotions and case assignments were all linear. The random street crimes didn't make it open world. Maybe the ability to choose which lead you followed next? On the 360 did that lead to a lot of disc swapping? The ability to drive anywhere you wanted is probably the closest thing to open world I remember.
If bluray**** isnt needed then you can enjoy your double disc games while ill play everything on one.
That sounds good to me. While you play yours I'll play my multi disc. I wonder what will take longer? You waiting for your mandatory install, and then wait. Or me popping in the second disc after a switch, and putting it in to play after load up. Seriously. What do you guys think will be faster? The time it takes to put the game in the PS3 and wait for the mandatory instal and download, or get up from the couch, hit eject on the 360, and put the next disc in. Hmmmm
guys he's joking ... right ??
I don't understand how they have it so you need two discs? Is it one for install and the other to run? I figured it'll be 1.5 disc space for SP, .5 for MP like many 360 games now a days. I'm confused.
Thanks for all the disagrees and no responses guys. I'm serious. 360 games that require mulitple disc with MP still only use one disc for the MP mode. I was actually wondering why they say both discs are needed. If anyone actually knows, can they enlighten me?
I'll respond. I think you received a lot of disagrees because you said that many 360 games require two disks which is not true. The only game I can think of are BF3, LA Noire, Rage, and I'm sure there is only a couple more out there.
I wasn't talking about them needing 2 discs, it just came out that way. I mean ones that use multiple discs, have all the MP stuff on one disc. I just was curious how it worked. Question still not answered
Is this really news? Next story will be about the 15GB install for the PS3 version >_>
It helps decide if a person wants a PS3, 360 or PC version...PC for discless, Xbox 360 for two and PS3 for one. It is info that helps people decide.
And the case could be made that even a first generation PS3 would have had the potential storage capacity while a 1st gen 360 would have needed three or more discs and wouldn't have had an install option at all. While Sony didn't get the drive speed exactly right and split the PS3's CPU, they really haven't had to make as many changes as MS has done while criticizing the other guy while making those changes.
Buying it on PC. No discs needed. <3 Steam.
bu..bu...bu.. blu ray
That works too!
pc version runs on magic!! no disk! and it comes with copies of max payne 1 , max payne 2 & also max payne 3 dlc free so yeah! http://store.steampowered.c...
Also, When I buy MY stuff, I want the choice of buy, sell, or even trade with my local CRAIGSLIST community. Why? Because it mine, and therefore, MY option..... and I like options :)
I'll still get the 360 version. I just prefer playing games on Live so I'll just live with Disc swapping.
Never thought a linear game like MP3 would be 2 disc