I'm probably gonna go with the PS3 version this time around.
Edit: O.O....After years of saying Blu-ray is useless, LOGICWINS admits that the DVD9 format was holding gaming back (FF13 multiplatform rants) and hopes that the next gen consoles support it. Funny.
I really hope the next gen consoles do support bluray or have something that allows the developers to have more space for game.
@ Logic
You and I both know that I'm not gonna scan through hundreds of pages of comments to prove anything to you. Half the people here have already witness your FF13 rants before anyway.
@ kaveti
"Well, Dante, sometimes something is useless during one point in time and then becomes useful later on."
How was blu-ray useless at one point though? It always had it's uses.
I should have phrased it differently. Blu-Ray wasn't useless, it just wasn't used by the majority of developers out there.
Sony Santa Monica and a whole mess of other Sony studios took advantage of Blu Ray for uncompressed audio and higher quality cutscenes, but most developers didn't really take advantage of it at the beginning of the generation. About midway through we read from interviews that the DVD was beginning to restrict their development, but because publishers were more than satisfied with cutting content and selling it back to us as DLC, the need for Blu Ray was once again delayed.
It is only now when larger, more ambitious titles are being developed that DVD is becoming an issue, and that's usually with open world, free-roam games or games with expansive multiplayer modes like Halo or Battlefield.
It's pointless to criticize DVD now when both it and Xbox 360 are on their way out. The complaints are being addressed with a new console.
Blueray was pretty much useless this gen as the ps3 read speeds are so slow that you can easily change a disc in a few seconds compared to 20 min mandatory installs. Next gen bluray is welcomed as the speeds will be quicker eleiminating the pre installs. The 360 speeds have been fast enough to play any game off of disc even if every machine had a hardrive.
Funny console gamers tend to make such issues over number of disks and disk read times. Yet they are fine with sub 30fps, sub hd graphics(on most rockstar games).
isn't constantly running from the cd drive a bad thing, especially when it's reading faster? It basically wears out the drive overtime. It's always good to install the game.
media format is irrelevant, actually. given that their last effort (L.A. noire) was the better of the two (PS3/X360) versions, i'm willing to bet that MP3 will be pretty amazing on PS3 as R* has shown to be fairly good at developing for that system.
i'm also certain that coming out with a PS3 exclusive (i.e. agent) helps with one's understanding of how things work.
@ reynod:
funny PC elists tend to beat that dead horse of theirs.
This won't change anyone's mind. Max Payne 3 on 360 will lead all platforms in sales.
Two discs isn't a game changer when you offer the best controller with the best online service in Xbox Live. Not to mention the better quality version which always seems to be the case when comparing 360 and PS3 multiplats.
Agrees with Logicwins, especially now that faster BD lasers are easier to come by and have better constant read/write rates than the ones in the PS3 and are more comparable to the high points of the variable speed rates of DVD9.
Yes. I think this pretty much confirms that GTA V will be on 2+ discs for the 360.
It doesn't matter to me anymore - I enjoy the experience that I get from not having to change the disc. Take from that what you will. As someone with the ability to do other things than wait for something to install, mandatory installs have zero impact on me or my 500GB hard drive.
And just like Read Dead Redemption & GTA 4 it will likley look and play better on the 360. The only reason LA Noire was slightly better on PS3 was because it was programmed for the PS3 from the beginning as it was originally meant to be an exclusive. People here can be a fanboy all they want, but the pictures don't lie: http://www.lensoftruth.com/...
As for me, I don't have some mystical allegiance to any certain hardware, I will play it on whatever console it looks better on. Unlike most of today's generation, I'm not to lazy to get up and change a disk that takes less than 5 seconds. Hell people now days don't even want to leave there house to buy a game... it's stupid. And this is a rather stupid thing to argue over.
Its that attitude that doesn't inspire progression. Many people including myself would rather have the ease of not having to disk swap, especially if the technology is there to meet that requirement.
Since the game runs on Rockstar RAGE engine it will likely run better and look better (most likely 720P VS 640P on the PS3) just like previous games running on the same engine: RDR and GTA IV, both of which were developed simultaneously for both consoles.
I just don't understand Logic's logic: since this game (just like many before it) shows that games are not limited to a single DVD9, how exactly are he held back by the DVD9 format? It seems like the quite the opposite: despite DVD9 size limit, developers are not limiting their game to just a single DVD in games which require more space (usually games with very heavy cutscenes/dialog focus do exactly that).
I wonder if people will be able to launch the multiplayer portion from both discs. If this will be the case, it means that you can use a single game copy to play online together with a friend that you lend the 2nd disc to.
all this disinformation about bluray was started by microsoft's wording in the contract to bring GTA-IV to the 360. Those of who were around did a wtf-doubletake at the wording that required both console versions to be identical. The whole DVD9 is just fine for this gen sprung from the damage control that move required.
I agree with LogicWins I really dont see much of a need for a new console, but this shows why there is a need. I like where games are right now, but I do see a new for more storage and faster processors. If you look at what Max 3 is doing with 5 year old technology you have to be amazed. That game looks beautiful and exceeds Uncharted animations. The Euphoria engine is now being put to good use. Uncharted was the pathfinder and now others are starting to mimic its style(which is a good thing). Human like animations outweigh beautiful graphics.
Your right..bluray isn't needed. Just like having a T.V and gaming console isn't needed. We don't buy these things because we NEED them...we buy them because we LIKE them.
Do you NEED a PS3 to play Max Payne 3? Nope
Will it be a more convenient experience with one disc and free online play if you do have a PS3? You bet your ass!
EDIT: Just some food for thought, if a linear experience like MP3 will be two-discs on the 360...imagine how many discs GTA5 will have to be. This supports my earlier argument that GTA5 WILL(at the very least) be a timed PS3 exclusive.
I don't see how you can make an open world game multiple discs. What? The game I'll make you switch discs everytime you cross a bridge?
We can't be sure that GTA5 will be on this gen of consoles.
Although at this juncture in time we've seen trailers and ads that have the 360 and PS3 logos at the end, those could just be there are placeholders so as to avoid confirming to the public the existence of Xbox 3 and PS4.
MS and Sony could have told Rockstar and other developers to say that those games are going to be on this current gen of consoles only to have them reveal at some later point that development has shifted toward PS4 and Xbox3.
I'm not saying I believe this, but it is not beyond the realm of possibility for publishers to do this.
@A-Glorious-Dawn Yes they can. It was done for LA Noir and Rage did it. All what the extra disc are for is for the rest of the story related missions. Otherwise the world can be played as if it were on one disc.
"I don't see how you can make an open world game multiple discs."
Umm hello, L.A. Noire. The world itself can be on both disc, but each disc will contain different story missions. That way swapping disc is never needed unless you're advancing through the story.
@LOGIC It amazes me to see your bubble count continue to decrease. I'm being serious. It shows what "side" is stronger on this site. By a lot.
Anyhoo. We are at the end of this generation, so of course DVD9 is becoming a hassle now. I still rather have to switch between disc though, rather than a mandatory install just to play the game.
Anyhoo part 2...Anyhoo harder. IMO, This game will probably be bought more on the 360, as well as review better, despite having 2 disc.
Was LA Noire truly open world? The desk promotions and case assignments were all linear. The random street crimes didn't make it open world. Maybe the ability to choose which lead you followed next? On the 360 did that lead to a lot of disc swapping?
The ability to drive anywhere you wanted is probably the closest thing to open world I remember.
That sounds good to me. While you play yours I'll play my multi disc.
I wonder what will take longer? You waiting for your mandatory install, and then wait. Or me popping in the second disc after a switch, and putting it in to play after load up.
Seriously. What do you guys think will be faster?
The time it takes to put the game in the PS3 and wait for the mandatory instal and download, or get up from the couch, hit eject on the 360, and put the next disc in. Hmmmm
I don't understand how they have it so you need two discs? Is it one for install and the other to run? I figured it'll be 1.5 disc space for SP, .5 for MP like many 360 games now a days. I'm confused.
Thanks for all the disagrees and no responses guys. I'm serious. 360 games that require mulitple disc with MP still only use one disc for the MP mode. I was actually wondering why they say both discs are needed. If anyone actually knows, can they enlighten me?
I'll respond. I think you received a lot of disagrees because you said that many 360 games require two disks which is not true. The only game I can think of are BF3, LA Noire, Rage, and I'm sure there is only a couple more out there.
I wasn't talking about them needing 2 discs, it just came out that way. I mean ones that use multiple discs, have all the MP stuff on one disc. I just was curious how it worked. Question still not answered
And the case could be made that even a first generation PS3 would have had the potential storage capacity while a 1st gen 360 would have needed three or more discs and wouldn't have had an install option at all.
While Sony didn't get the drive speed exactly right and split the PS3's CPU, they really haven't had to make as many changes as MS has done while criticizing the other guy while making those changes.
pc version runs on magic!! no disk! and it comes with copies of max payne 1 , max payne 2 & also max payne 3 dlc free so yeah! http://store.steampowered.c...
I heard it gonna have around 4 hrs of movies/cut scenes of some sort. Maybe they want a better quality cutscene play back than submitting to using that crappy video compression software, like Epic used for Gear of War 3 or SE with FF13.
A Linear 3rd Person Shoot on multiple discs, makes me so sad :( . It makes me think about all the bigger open world games & RPGs that got gimped, or altered because of limited space. . Or the games that didn't even get made because devs thought that it wouldn't even fit so why bother. :(
lol, almost over? not even close man. you got a 10 yr life span on the PS3. all these bunk articles about PS4 and 720, dont fall for it. it aint coming anytime soon.
10 year lifespan does not discount a successor before then, it just means the PS3 will be on shelves for than long. they will be sharing that shelf with the PS4 soon enough.
the optical media capacity no longer comes into the argument when both consoles are out of date regardless.
And then Xbox Live happened and I suddenly don't care.
I play my shooters on Xbox simply put because I like the controls that much and I know there will be more longevity to the life of Max Payne 3's multiplayer on Xbox 360.
Apparently disc swapping isn't a big thing. 4:1 Mass Effect 3 sales tell a different story.
'Apparently disc swapping isn't a big thing. 4:1 Mass Effect 3 sales tell a different story.'
LMFAO. Really? Here I was thinking that the first ME not appearing on the PS3 and ME2 releasing a year later on the PS3 would have been infinitely more relevant to the sales figures.
Regardless. For a console that has been "closing the gap" a title like Mass Effect should have garnered better competing numbers with the ps3's install base.
@i3 Judging from the sales figures, the ME universe simply does not appeal to the PS3 fanbase. Many other multi-plats tend to be head on head, the fact that UE3 tends to be inferior on the PS3, along with the incomplete set of the series while giving a demo riddled with bugs and frame-rate issues (that was not addressed in the final version) would immediately point out to the huge sales gap.
That.. and ME3 had to compete with other PS3 exclusives.
'Mass Effect should have garnered better competing numbers with the ps3's install base.'
Based on what? Your conjecture? That just thinking that allows you to feel the 360's superiority? Yeah, I got that one from the 'closing the gap' part.
If you have a similar case to cite as an example, or a bit of market research I'd love to see it. Hell, I'd even be willing to listen to a little logic based on the market. So far you've provided nothing beyond fanboy rhetoric.
It is unfortunate that Microsoft decided to go against the bluray format or this kind of stuff would not be happening. Cause of their position in the HD gaming era Microsoft has basically handcuffed Sony & the potential of the bluray format.
It would not matter if Microsoft did not be so strict with their 'extra charges' for multiple discs. It is also thanks to this decision to use DVD9 that we have this DLC fiasco that has been happening all to often.
And this is why PS3 triumph over the Xbox 360 Blue ray can hold up to 25GB - 50GB. Feel sorry for the guys have Xbox that have to switch out their disc.
Lol. "I feel sorry for guys who have to walk a few feet to change discs. Meanwhile, while my PS3 games have mandatory installs, I'll go make a sandwich"
owning a 360 i have never needed to change a disc mid-game? more n4g fanboy BS just to prove some non-existant point. so i have to change the disc during installation, big deal... next?
It does happen with a few games. But the real problem is that some people here on ng4 make the situation out to be as if the world is ending. They think it's so hard to stretch your arm or get up to press the eject button and change disks. The only people that I see complain are the ones who don't have to do it (looking at ps3 gamers). I haven't heard someone complain about it on the 360 side, and the same thing happened with Bf3 and Rage.
I hate how they make this whole dilemma over disk change n the ps fanboys stone you it will probably look better on the box so would you prefer disk swap or looks? Pick your poison.
Guess Microsoft was right in not needing anything more than that dvd discs, cuz the new one is around the corner I still prefer blue ray makes me feel like a baller lol
I do not mind the 2 disks either. It allows me to take a short break and refuel. Which can increase better play performance as a result. While others will most likely not feel their legs after a while and face amputation and or continue to be a dead weight on the coach. And yes, most likely play performance will suffer as well. LOL
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EDIT: Now for my(as usual)logical reaction. This is a GOOD thing for the industry because it shows that we are being held back by the DVD9 format.
I hope that the Xbox 720 and the PS4 sport nothing less than Blu-Ray format for their games.
Edit: O.O....After years of saying Blu-ray is useless, LOGICWINS admits that the DVD9 format was holding gaming back (FF13 multiplatform rants) and hopes that the next gen consoles support it. Funny.
ROFL...and I assume you have evidence(old comments) to back that up right? Oh N4G, your deluded world brightens up my afternoons =)
EDIT:
*looks through old comments*
"Damn sun, can't find nothin!"
*disagree*
Either way, I don't think Logicwins ever made a post saying BluRay was useless.
@ Logic
You and I both know that I'm not gonna scan through hundreds of pages of comments to prove anything to you. Half the people here have already witness your FF13 rants before anyway.
@ kaveti
"Well, Dante, sometimes something is useless during one point in time and then becomes useful later on."
How was blu-ray useless at one point though? It always had it's uses.
If anything it was too useful..
That's the same as saying it was overkill.
I should have phrased it differently. Blu-Ray wasn't useless, it just wasn't used by the majority of developers out there.
Sony Santa Monica and a whole mess of other Sony studios took advantage of Blu Ray for uncompressed audio and higher quality cutscenes, but most developers didn't really take advantage of it at the beginning of the generation. About midway through we read from interviews that the DVD was beginning to restrict their development, but because publishers were more than satisfied with cutting content and selling it back to us as DLC, the need for Blu Ray was once again delayed.
It is only now when larger, more ambitious titles are being developed that DVD is becoming an issue, and that's usually with open world, free-roam games or games with expansive multiplayer modes like Halo or Battlefield.
It's pointless to criticize DVD now when both it and Xbox 360 are on their way out. The complaints are being addressed with a new console.
It won't, as per the dev, half of the campaign and the full multiplayer on disc 1, the rest of the campaign on disc 2.
You will need both discs together if you plan to finish the campaign mode.
media format is irrelevant, actually. given that their last effort (L.A. noire) was the better of the two (PS3/X360) versions, i'm willing to bet that MP3 will be pretty amazing on PS3 as R* has shown to be fairly good at developing for that system.
i'm also certain that coming out with a PS3 exclusive (i.e. agent) helps with one's understanding of how things work.
@ reynod:
funny PC elists tend to beat that dead horse of theirs.
Two discs isn't a game changer when you offer the best controller with the best online service in Xbox Live. Not to mention the better quality version which always seems to be the case when comparing 360 and PS3 multiplats.
AAHAHAHAHA! that was funny!
if you said that in the PS1 era i would have supported you bro;)
It doesn't matter to me anymore - I enjoy the experience that I get from not having to change the disc. Take from that what you will. As someone with the ability to do other things than wait for something to install, mandatory installs have zero impact on me or my 500GB hard drive.
http://www.lensoftruth.com/...
As for me, I don't have some mystical allegiance to any certain hardware, I will play it on whatever console it looks better on. Unlike most of today's generation, I'm not to lazy to get up and change a disk that takes less than 5 seconds. Hell people now days don't even want to leave there house to buy a game... it's stupid. And this is a rather stupid thing to argue over.
Developed in parallel. Not the same situation as Red Dead.
Don't make any assumptions with this one.
Its that attitude that doesn't inspire progression. Many people including myself would rather have the ease of not having to disk swap, especially if the technology is there to meet that requirement.
I just don't understand Logic's logic: since this game (just like many before it) shows that games are not limited to a single DVD9, how exactly are he held back by the DVD9 format? It seems like the quite the opposite: despite DVD9 size limit, developers are not limiting their game to just a single DVD in games which require more space (usually games with very heavy cutscenes/dialog focus do exactly that).
I wonder if people will be able to launch the multiplayer portion from both discs. If this will be the case, it means that you can use a single game copy to play online together with a friend that you lend the 2nd disc to.
all this disinformation about bluray was started by microsoft's wording in the contract to bring GTA-IV to the 360. Those of who were around did a wtf-doubletake at the wording that required both console versions to be identical. The whole DVD9 is just fine for this gen sprung from the damage control that move required.
I really dont see much of a need for a new console, but this shows why there is a need. I like where games are right now, but I do see a new for more storage and faster processors. If you look at what Max 3 is doing with 5 year old technology you have to be amazed. That game looks beautiful and exceeds Uncharted animations. The Euphoria engine is now being put to good use. Uncharted was the pathfinder and now others are starting to mimic its style(which is a good thing). Human like animations outweigh beautiful graphics.
Do you NEED a PS3 to play Max Payne 3? Nope
Will it be a more convenient experience with one disc and free online play if you do have a PS3? You bet your ass!
EDIT: Just some food for thought, if a linear experience like MP3 will be two-discs on the 360...imagine how many discs GTA5 will have to be. This supports my earlier argument that GTA5 WILL(at the very least) be a timed PS3 exclusive.
I don't see how you can make an open world game multiple discs. What? The game I'll make you switch discs everytime you cross a bridge?
Although at this juncture in time we've seen trailers and ads that have the 360 and PS3 logos at the end, those could just be there are placeholders so as to avoid confirming to the public the existence of Xbox 3 and PS4.
MS and Sony could have told Rockstar and other developers to say that those games are going to be on this current gen of consoles only to have them reveal at some later point that development has shifted toward PS4 and Xbox3.
I'm not saying I believe this, but it is not beyond the realm of possibility for publishers to do this.
Not to say it's impossible but it would completely destroy the immersion..
If anything it will be scaled to fit on a DVD..
Yes they can.
It was done for LA Noir and Rage did it.
All what the extra disc are for is for the rest of the story related missions. Otherwise the world can be played as if it were on one disc.
But that for me, as I said before, completely ruins the immersion in a sandbox game...
Umm hello, L.A. Noire. The world itself can be on both disc, but each disc will contain different story missions. That way swapping disc is never needed unless you're advancing through the story.
It amazes me to see your bubble count continue to decrease. I'm being serious. It shows what "side" is stronger on this site. By a lot.
Anyhoo. We are at the end of this generation, so of course DVD9 is becoming a hassle now. I still rather have to switch between disc though, rather than a mandatory install just to play the game.
Anyhoo part 2...Anyhoo harder. IMO, This game will probably be bought more on the 360, as well as review better, despite having 2 disc.
Thats wishful thinking and nothing more.
Was LA Noire truly open world? The desk promotions and case assignments were all linear. The random street crimes didn't make it open world. Maybe the ability to choose which lead you followed next? On the 360 did that lead to a lot of disc swapping?
The ability to drive anywhere you wanted is probably the closest thing to open world I remember.
I wonder what will take longer? You waiting for your mandatory install, and then wait. Or me popping in the second disc after a switch, and putting it in to play after load up.
Seriously. What do you guys think will be faster?
The time it takes to put the game in the PS3 and wait for the mandatory instal and download, or get up from the couch, hit eject on the 360, and put the next disc in. Hmmmm
While Sony didn't get the drive speed exactly right and split the PS3's CPU, they really haven't had to make as many changes as MS has done while criticizing the other guy while making those changes.
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Also,
When I buy MY stuff, I want the choice of buy, sell, or even trade with my local CRAIGSLIST community.
Why?
Because it mine, and therefore, MY option.....
and I like options :)
As in, would you need to buy the game brand new to be able to use the second disc?
If so, that would make the second disc useless to preowned buyers.
.
It makes me think about all the bigger open world games & RPGs that got gimped, or
altered because of limited space.
.
Or the games that didn't even get made because devs thought that it wouldn't even fit
so why bother. :(
the optical media capacity no longer comes into the argument when both consoles are out of date regardless.
+bubbles
I play my shooters on Xbox simply put because I like the controls that much and I know there will be more longevity to the life of Max Payne 3's multiplayer on Xbox 360.
Apparently disc swapping isn't a big thing. 4:1 Mass Effect 3 sales tell a different story.
LMFAO. Really? Here I was thinking that the first ME not appearing on the PS3 and ME2 releasing a year later on the PS3 would have been infinitely more relevant to the sales figures.
Thanks for clearing that up for us.
It didn't
Judging from the sales figures, the ME universe simply does not appeal to the PS3 fanbase. Many other multi-plats tend to be head on head, the fact that UE3 tends to be inferior on the PS3, along with the incomplete set of the series while giving a demo riddled with bugs and frame-rate issues (that was not addressed in the final version) would immediately point out to the huge sales gap.
That.. and ME3 had to compete with other PS3 exclusives.
Based on what? Your conjecture? That just thinking that allows you to feel the 360's superiority? Yeah, I got that one from the 'closing the gap' part.
If you have a similar case to cite as an example, or a bit of market research I'd love to see it. Hell, I'd even be willing to listen to a little logic based on the market. So far you've provided nothing beyond fanboy rhetoric.
It would not matter if Microsoft did not be so strict with their 'extra charges' for multiple discs. It is also thanks to this decision to use DVD9 that we have this DLC fiasco that has been happening all to often.
Gotta love that logic, bring in the disagrees :).
haven't had to "insert Disc [_]" since ps1 days.
lol. blu ray is lame right? wait what format will the next console from microsoft be supporting again? i forgot.