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Activision Responds to Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 3 Hate

Call of Duty and hatred from the gaming community, as well as consumers in general seems to be synonymous. (Activision, Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 3, PC, PS3, Xbox 360)

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RIPSKATEDESTROY  +   1391d ago
“call of duty sucks” – “Play whatever makes you happy. :) ”
SSKILLZ  +   1391d ago
lol all the haters have been TOLD!
irepbtown  +   1390d ago
He seems very childish to me with the way in which he answered/responded to what I assume are questions/quotes.

The fact is, I want to like COD games. Purely because it is addicting and can be fun to play. However the issue with the engine and so on is a real bugger. Also the price for the maps are pretty ridiculous. Here in the UK its around £10-£15 which in dollars is $16-$24, not at all cheap... They need to take advice/criticism instead of simply saying 'Go play another game'
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REALgamer  +   1390d ago
He responded quite intelligently, and I think what he says applies to N4G too.

Many people seem to enjoy posting their hate of certain games or platforms in any article related to those products they hate so much.

Instead, why not show your support for what you do like in relevant articles, rather than what you don't like?
Amazingmrbrock  +   1390d ago
Purely from a psychological perspective; When people think they have made a unanimously correct decision they want to help other people from making the perceived wrong decision.

From a business/consumer perspective some companies are bad companies for whatever reasons. Maybe they use anticompetitive practices, or treat workers poorly, or release products that have more spent on marketing than research and or development, or even because they have poor customer service.

Personally I don't care too much what other people are doing with their money. There are some companies I personally do not support for a number of reasons. Of course I think others should do the same. However I know that convincing people of anything that is not what they have personally decided seldomly works. So I keep my thoughts to myself most of the time. Or if I am referring to them at all it is like his, in a way devoid of pointed fingers and name calling.

It's best to list the problems but not say the name of any companies. They're all guilty in one way or another anyway.
SilentNegotiator  +   1390d ago
Just don't mixed up "bashing" and "criticism" like too many users on N4G do.

Trolls are pretty obvious for the most part.
MrMister  +   1390d ago
People who dont play COD anymore, yet still hate it, do so because of the potential harm that Activision's practices cause to the gamer community/game publishing industry as a whole:

I think the reason why people hate COD even though they still refuse to buy it anyway, is because Activision's scheme of ripping off gamers for money, and their lame arcade style re-ash gameplay are being copied by other game publishers who NOW wonder how far they can push a crappy product, or change our beloved franchises into COD clones. Example: Have you seen the new multiplayer footage o Far Cry 3? That series had some awesome hardcore MP, but now it's been turned into another cheaply made COD clone (at least just the multiplayer).

Activision's business practices are also infecting the franchises we love in a negative way since more and more companies are talking about following the trend of COD Elite and are talking openly about charging us yearly subscription fee's. COD has done nothing but push the limits of absurdity when it comes to selling people re-hashes over and over, and finding new ways to get more money out of consumers. They never bother to innovate in gameplay (look at how Activision ruined Tony Hawk, Guitar Hero, and now COD), yet always takes time to innovate on new ways to take the money of mindless teens and mentally slow adults (because any grown man still buying this stuff at $60 a pop is pretty mentally slow).
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tigertron  +   1390d ago
Well said MistaDonzie, bubbles to you good sir.

I haven't bought a COD since COD4, but I have played the sequels and just hate the recycled gameplay and Activision's business practices.

Other games of a higher standard get pushed to the side so the hipsters can play the latest annual installment of COD. Such a shame really.
VideoGameJimmy  +   1390d ago
@tigertron what does hipsters have to do with COD? If anything they wouldn't play COD because it's mainstream
Ashunderfire86  +   1390d ago
You sir are wrong about Far Cry 3, it plays like all the other Far Cry games, but its now a little faster in the MP gameplay department. Does that really make it Call of Duty? NO!!!! Call of Duty is not known for Map creators anyway.
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snipes101  +   1390d ago
So, let me follow your logic here. Activision makes an utterly unique product with Call of Duty 4 (remember, the perk and leveling up system in an FPS was a relatively novel idea at that time) and it is a runaway success. Given this, they proceed to put out sequels very similar to the original for the next 5+ years.

Other publishers, seeing CoD's success, start telling their developers to emulate that franchise to get their own piece of the pie, rather than try to make something unique. When these developers try this and sacrifice their artistic integrity, you blame Activision, rather than the publishers and developers that are willing to sell their souls to try to get in on the action. Where is the logic?

Following your train of thought, if a kid goes and shoots up a school, it must be the fault of the violent video game he played or the Schwarzenegger movie he watched earlier that day.

It is hardly Activision's fault that these idiot publishers are too dumb to realize that you dont become a success by imitating, you become one by innovating.
Statix  +   1390d ago
I hate MW3 more than most people. But COD haters can come off sounding COMPLETELY retarded at times. Literally, they sound mentally retarded.

I play BF3, and love it. I still haven't bought MW3. But I don't whine in blogs or forums about how much "COD sucks" or "Activision is greedy." I just enjoy what I enjoy; I'm too busy enjoying BF3 to bash MW3. Even if you MUST bash MW3, at least do it in a reasonable, logical manner.

Vote with your wallet, not your keyboard.
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Bladesfist  +   1390d ago
your telling people to vote with their wallets lol. I have not bought a recent cod, do I think activision noticed nope. Voting with your wallet just does not work with a game like COD.
Patriots_Pride  +   1391d ago
Call of Duty is awesome.

Cant wait to see what COD will do with next gen tech!
KeiserSosay4788  +   1391d ago
It won't...
Prince_Dim-Lu  +   1390d ago
It won't what?

Funny to see that COD is on the hotter games list over BF3 these days on this sites main page.

Also love to see the hate of all the COD games, yet nobody has a problem with Madden after Madden game, or MLB the Show after the show game.

Maybe if COD started dipping into the mid to low 80's in review scores, then maybe you can say it sucks.
h311rais3r  +   1391d ago
If it hasn't taken advantage of this gens tech what makes you think it will for the next?
Intentions  +   1391d ago
They will be using this gens tech for next gen lol.
MrBeatdown  +   1391d ago
If you can't see the massive difference between Call of Duty 2 and Modern Warfare 3, you need your eyes checked. It's come a long way. And they implemented split screen, which is no easy feat.
Genghis  +   1391d ago
Nah, it's a fine game. Well developed and provides a memorable experience.

People just hate on something because it's a trend.
Tapioca Cold  +   1390d ago
I'm not a huge COD fan, (in fact, i don't even play it) but how can all of you say that this game does not take advantage of current gen tech.

Serioulsy, how?

Modern Warfare was awesome and a beast in terms of graphics. It was 'the' multiplayer to get this gen.

Man, that is just proof of how dishonest and biased all of you are in terms of gaming in general.

You are weak and immature if you can not give credit where it is due.

DasTier  +   1390d ago
@MrBeatdown they impliented splitscreen? You realise most good games FPS have had split screen as commonplace since the 90's? Golden eye, Halo, etc.

Also more funnily COD 3 had splitscreen online, but didn't they take it out in the recent ones? and now theyre advertising it as being a new feature! God this company is a joke !
DasTier  +   1390d ago
@ Tapioca Cold Hmmn I don't think in hindesight you can argue modern ware fare was the multiplayer to have this gen when it had a life for most people of one year until the next in the annual series came out, Being honest I had a much better time in the multiplayers of Halo 3, Bad Company 2 and even last gen games like COD 1 & 2. Did you ever see the marketing campaign of Bulletstorm, they gave out a game which parodied COD and it hoghlighte all the issues in the newer iterations of the series, Crappy level layout, poor plots, the games feel very unimmersive, the Halos and bad companies gave you a freedom to approach levels how you see fit, On foot, by vehicle, sneak past them, none of this could be done in the COD games. WAW added vehicles to their multiplayer which improved the variety in the games, but after this they were never seen again. It's almost as if stagnancy is encouraged by activision. While innovation and creative are tossed to one side. Most people buy COD s due to it being a household name assossiated with games consoles, also the fact that their advertising campaigns are massive. Nothing really due to the quality of the game. However I've gone off topic a little here, the main point I wanted to make was that while COD 4 was good, they have been annually releasing SLIGHTLY CHANGED versions of that game since 2007 and charging full price for it. Credit was definatly due for COD 1,2 & 4. But the more recent versions get far more credit than they deserve from reviewers like IGN or Gamespot, and it seems that the gaming world is finally starting to realise they've been duped.
MrBeatdown  +   1390d ago

And yet, tons of games that would be great with split screen don't have it. Battlefield doesn't have it. Medal of Honor doesn't have it. Homefront doesn't have it. Crysis doesn't have it. Bulletstorm doesn't have it. Mass Effect 3 co-op doesn't have it. Most racing games don't have it. Assassin's Creed MP doesn't have it. Max Payne won't have it.

Like I said, implementing it is no easy feat, otherwise it would be far more common than it is. There's a reason CoD3 had it and other CoD games didn't. CoD3 didn't look anywhere near as good as CoD4 and later games. Obviously it's far more difficult to get split-screen working in a more visually demanding game.

And like I said, anyone who can't see how far the game has come is flat out delusional...

Call of Duty 2 on 360...

Modern Warfare 3 on 360...

"hasn't taken advantage of this gens tech"

Funny stuff. Haters gonna hate.
LUCKYXS7LEVEN  +   1391d ago
that's like coloring shit in gold
Awesome_Gamer  +   1390d ago
fuck call of shitty. it will destroy the next-gen just like what happened this gen with developer ruining beloved franchises trying to mimic their succes
GameGuy  +   1391d ago
COD 3 is the best FPS ever.
Fylus  +   1391d ago
I think when people saw the "3" in your comment, they assumed you were talking about MW3, not the original Call of Duty 3. Even so, they're are MANY FPS games out there that are much better than CoD3.
rezzah  +   1391d ago
Even the original COD3 was terrible.

A very likely reason as to why is that another developer worked on it, it was IW.

This is why, imo, COD 1,2, and 4 are the only good CODs.
dark-hollow  +   1391d ago
Cod 2 and 4 are still the best cod games hands down.
Anon1974  +   1391d ago
Those were my favourites as well. I did thoroughly enjoy MW3 though. I'm really surprised they would respond to the haters at all, especially considering how long the game has been out. Obviously they're in the minority.
Eyeco  +   1391d ago
With the ammount of cod games on the market I'm not sure I can remember COD2
ninjahunter  +   1391d ago
Well, I thought it was a clever joke.
Captain Qwark 9  +   1391d ago
he won all those arguments. well done dude. im not crazy about cod but its def a great game, just not for me.
Statix  +   1390d ago
I disagree about MW3 being a "great game," but I do agree that he won those arguments.
NYC_Gamer  +   1391d ago
Activision is no different from any other publisher/salesman...profit is their only concern/keeping the share-holders happy...look around many companies are on the nickle and dime express/milking franchises like no tomorrow.
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vega275  +   1390d ago
yeah i agree all companies care about is money and how to increase their profits on the backs of their fanbase by ripping them off. i don't like activision cause of CoD. but i hate EA and capcom even more with their shitty business model. but the guy is right about "Play whatever makes you happy" which is a reason why i haven't brought a CoD games in three years.
Crystallis  +   1391d ago
MW3 has only sold 13mil? WOW, thats a huge dip from previous COD's. I think BF3 had a lot to do with that.
AdmiralSnake  +   1391d ago
Bf3 had nothing to do with it, whoever wanted bf3 bought it, same with cod.
cpayne93  +   1391d ago
I don't know if that's entirely true, they are different experiences, but I actually know some people personally who heard about how battlefield was a bigger experience, decided to try it, loved it, and then didn't buy mw3 because of it. They are both in the same genre, military fps, so they are competing together. Once I found teambased shooters like killzone and battlefield, I lost interest in cod myself.
cra2yey3z  +   1391d ago
Not true, Lots of people including myself bought bf3 over mw3 and we owned every cod!
Gamer-Z  +   1390d ago
Yeah idk admiral shake BF3 converted me from COD and i didnt think that was possible, now when i play COD it feels like a little kids game. The gun sounds in MW3 sound so fake, i feel like i'm playing a game of paintball pew pew pew lol.
Eyeco  +   1391d ago
The best selling cod was Black Ops at 25 million by then people had began to realise the franchise was getting stale, You could argue that was COD's peak in popularity which is mind boggling seeing as that piece of sh!t is an abortion of a game
Boody-Bandit  +   1391d ago
Actually MW3 is the best selling COD thus far. Not sure where people are getting their numbers. 13 million is just on the XBox 360 and they are closer to 14 than 13. 13.76 million.

MW3 is closing in on 28 million sold (physical media) worldwide across all platforms and that's not counting digital downloads.

Not much of a COD fan myself but I was shocked when people were saying it sold 13 million so I googled it. MW3 broke sales records when it launched so I thought there is no way this game fell off the cliff after it's initial launch, and it didn't.

More than likely if you combine physical media and digital download it's probably closer to and or has possibly surpassed 30 million sold overall.

Whether you love to hate it or hate to love it this series is still a money printing machine.
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Horny  +   1390d ago
Black ops was the best call of duty since 4. Most feature packed package and all around most balanced. Could not get into mw3 after B.O.
Siren30  +   1391d ago
He responded to all those dumbass questions very well. I swear it sounded like a 12 year old was asking the questions. If you don't like it don't play it. Why waste your time even talking about it?
Hicken  +   1390d ago
Because some people WANT to like the series again. I'd played a little Time Splitters, but CoD is what got me INTO the FPS genre. When I complain about the series being stale and uninteresting, it's not because I hate the franchise, but because I want to enjoy playing again.

I don't want to feel like I'm emptying my wallet to play the same game I bought last year. Especially when I'd need at least 3/4 of the price of the game to keep enjoying it online(3 or 4 packs of DLC maps is enough to buy another game, after all).

But what YOU'RE telling me is that I should just shut up, cut my losses, and not even bother thinking about CoD anymore. Granted, I would currently rather play Battlefield or Killzone, but if Call of Duty were to make genuine attempts at improving, I wouldn't be averse to going back to the franchise.

Yet when Activision's response is, "Play something else," I'm rather disillusioned.
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TheGOODKyle  +   1391d ago
What I don't get is every CoD since #4 has had gamebreaking issues or close to it, but people keep buying the damn game!!! There's even been petitions let alone all the complaints on social media, and people still buy the next CoD. The next CoD needs to fix all the issues from the previous games before it can even move on. That starts with not using the same engine and rehashing the same game every year.
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willie6289  +   1390d ago
why did people keep buying xbox 360s after the info about rrod came out? And after revision after revision failed to fix it?
ElementX  +   1391d ago
After playing campaigns and single player games for the past few years, I got back into online multiplayer with MW3 and I'm addicted. I don't understand the hate, probably because I havne't played the past few COD games so I can't compare them. From what I've played, the gameplay is much better than older online shooters. I enjoy the variety of game options. Back when I used to play a lot of multiplayer games they mainly had three game types, free for all, capture the flag, and team deathmatch. Yeah I'm behind the times as far as online gaming, but that doesn't matter. I've said it before, but I'll say it again: The perks, weapon customization options, streaks, and gameplay is just fun. I can't get enough of it. Yeah it's fast paced, but I like that.

Haven't had much time to play BF3, only played online once, but I should play it more so I can compare the two games.
Hufandpuf  +   1390d ago
You haven't played the previous CODs so MW3 should feel fresh to you. But we gamers that have played every COD, MW3 is the same old shit. It's milked to death.
WitWolfy  +   1390d ago
True true... Never bought another COD game after WaW everything after that felt like the same damn game! Just goes to show, if you milk the same game engine for TOO long people go look for something fresh and better some where else.
pbasson  +   1391d ago
I hate cod now with passion, but i did like MW2 & black ops & WAW. MW3 is just shit, everything abt it feels shit. Most will say MW is the best. I say I started at WAW so i didnt get the MW hype til its overkilled.
vickers500  +   1391d ago
Yeah, I've played all of them, and to some extent, enjoyed all of them as well........except Modern Warfare 3. The whole "rehash" feeling really struck me with mw3. At least Black Ops sort of has its own identity with the slower paced gameplay and different weaponry, but mw3 is just a full on rehash, except that it is somehow WORSE than its predecessors.

I find it hilarious how this guy is acting like WE are the a$$holes for wanting a better game, and one that works. One that doesn't have the same issues (and more so) that it did at launch.

This guy can pretend to be the innocent game dev (or employee, I'm not really sure who the guy is) all he wants and regurgitate that bullcrap line about giving people what they want (despite the fact that people have been wanting the game to be fixed for like 3+ years now), but the truth is, this guy and the company he works for are a-holes, and are even worse than EA. EA are evil, but at least they still make great games, while Activision produces nothing but $hit.
MrBeatdown  +   1391d ago
He's not acting like you're assholes. He's just telling you to buy something else. It's not like there is a lack of options. You call him an asshole but the reality of it is, he's just being honest... You should be playing something else.

Clearly millions like it enough to buy it year after year. Obviously plenty of people like what they are getting. Just because you take issue with the game for whatever reason, does not make you absolutely right. It's your opinion. Clearly, they are doing something a huge number of people like, regardless of whether or not you like it.

And I find it kind of funny that you say you've played and enjoyed every CoD up until MW3, but then you say "Activision produces nothing but $hit".

How the hell is Activision even supposed to react to that? They produce garbage that you enjoy and play every year? How do they even attempt to address a completely contradictory opinion like that?
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vickers500  +   1390d ago

I said I enjoyed those games to an EXTENT. I may have enjoyed mw2 and black ops AT TIMES, but that doesn't mean they are good games. Sometimes I can have fun with a sh*tty game, but still recognize it as crap. I buy it every year hoping it will be different, hoping that it can at least go back to the quality of cod4, but year after year, I'm disappointed. I'm probably going to skip black ops 2 if they still haven't fixed the connection issues and graphical inferiority of the ps3 version, and am definitely going to skip any future modern warfares.

It's kind of how it is with food. I can still enjoy myself every once and a while at mcdonalds, but the food is pretty much just garbage. So no, my opinion isn't contradictory. And I didn't enjoy Modern Warfare 3 AT ALL by the way.

Compared to CoD2, CoD4, and even World at War, games like MW2/MW3/BO are absolutely terrible.

And yeah, there kind of are a lack of options when this crappy franchise that's so big has influenced publishers to make their developers make their games "more like cod" with more crappy mainstream elements. Almost every shooter you see today has some crappy perk or killstreak system in place, in attempt to make their game more like call of duty.

And yeah, he is just being honest, but that doesn't make him any less of an asshole.

You know, if it were just as simple as "X company makes crappy games, but you don't have to play them", then I wouldn't care, but it's not like that. Activision took one of the greatest multiplayer shooters of all time, and ran it into the ground. They've destroyed it, made it worse than its predecessors, and have given the finger to the tons of original fans the game had for years and years now, failing to fix even the most basic issues that have been there for years.

I, and many others, have every right to be angry at these people. They realize what they're doing, and they don't care, they don't care to change or fix anything because all these pre teens and brodudes will gobble this crappy franchise up because they're some of the very few games they've ever played and think only the most popular franchises are worth playing.
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irepbtown  +   1390d ago
I don't think any other game has had as much shit from people than COD. It shows that despite millions of people are buying it, there are millions of people who want improvements. Heck, I know COD-lovers that want improvements. So sales do not tell the whole story as you're clearly implying.

I said it before, when an employee says 'just go buy another game' it seems childish. It shows Activision are too SCARED to change/improve anything. Their priority is sales, not the enjoyment of the buyers. COD4 was/is class (still play it today more than any other game), simply because it's fun and the quality is what you would expect from a 2007 game. But then in 2011 you see MW3, Activision/Infinity Ward took 10 steps backwards. The fun is gone apart from the odd game or so. I WANT to like COD, but I just cant.
MrBeatdown  +   1390d ago

So, what exactly makes him an asshole? You just don't like that he's telling you the truth. For some reason, you think Activision owes it to you to cater to whatever you want, as if your criticisms are absolute, undeniable faults with the game. I don't have any more connection issues with CoD than any other game. Hell, I had horrible connection issues in CoD4. Connection issues have gotten drastically better for me. I think the graphics are fine too, especially running at 60FPS or in split/screen. So, again, why should Activision listen to you? What makes me so wrong and you so right?

Should he just admit that the millions and millions of people who buy the game and are satisfied are wrong and that you, the guy who buys the game every year but doesn't like it is right? The crazy thing is is that guys like you like to pretend everyone else is stupid, yet the reality is that Activision would be fools to listen to those that like to paint everyone who enjoys it as little kids and "brodudes". You clearly have no respect for anyone else's opinion of the series, so why should Activision have any respect for yours, especially when you're handing them your money year after year?

Do you go into McDonalds and constantly cry about how you don't like the cheeseburger as you are ordering one? I like them as they are. Does that mean you are right and I'm wrong? Am I a "preteen" or "brodude" because I like McDonalds cheeseburgers?

And what's hilarious is that you complain about a lack of alternatives because every other game has a "crappy perk or killstreak system in place" yet that's something that has been a core aspect of CoD since CoD4 when the series' popularity exploded. You think the killstreak and perk system is so flawed that it's ruined your alternatives, yet you've bought CoD4, W@W, MW2, Black Ops, and MW3 all of which prominently feature killstreaks and perks? Talk about contradictions.

So, do you want Activision to scrap the whole perk and killstreak thing? Or does every other developer just suck at something that Activision excels at? Why don't you go complain to all the other devs who have ruined their own games, and ruined your choice of CoD alternatives?

Go play Battlefield. Go play Halo. Go play Uncharted. Go play Gears of War. Go play Resistance. Go play Killzone. I hear those games are pretty good. Welcome to the real world where you have plenty of options and don't need to cry that one game isn't going in the direction you want it to.
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vickers500  +   1390d ago
"you think Activision owes it to you to cater to whatever you want, as if your criticisms are absolute, undeniable faults with the game"

They kind of do, after all, we are the ones who made them so successful in the first place, so they at least owe us a listen and a few things we ask for, and yeah, terrible connection issues and hit detection ARE absolute and undeniable faults about the game. I'm not talking about killstreaks and aimless auto assist when I say "issues that have been there for years", I'm talking about the crappy netcode, and the fact that the connection issues have gotten a lot worse over the years, which is a fact.

The graphics are passable, sure, but they could stand to be improved a little bit, even while keeping the 60fps. I thought maybe for a little while that mw2 graphics was as good as they could get while still maintaining 60fps, but after seeing all these other franchises that I thought couldn't look any better being pushed EVEN FURTHER while still maintaining the same framerate, I'm willing to bet that Activision could (but wont, because they're lazy and greedy) make cod look noticeably better while still maintaining the fast, 60fps gameplay that made cod2/cod4 so great.

"Should he just admit that the millions and millions of people who buy the game and are satisfied are wrong and that you, the guy who buys the game every year but doesn't like it is right?"

No, but he should say (and DO) that they have a plan to fix those issues. I don't expect them to admit the truth, which is the majority of cod fans haven't really played a lot of other games so they don't really know what quality games are out there. But I at least expect some pr line about "we are listening to your feedback and are currently working on these issues" and actually follow through with what they say. That's what they should do.

"The crazy thing is is that guys like you like to pretend everyone else is stupid"

I never said everyone else is stupid. Terrible taste in gaming yeah, because if ALL THEY PLAY is call of duty, then yes, they DO have terrible taste in gaming, and a VERY large percentage of cod fans only play cod.

"You clearly have no respect for anyone else's opinion of the series, so why should Activision have any respect for yours, especially when you're handing them your money year after year?"
vickers500  +   1390d ago
Because fans like me who bought and loved Call of Duty 4 got them where they are today. That warrants some respect, and it warrants some bugs and issues be fixed. I bought MW3 used, so I didn't give them crap for that game.

"Do you go into McDonalds and constantly cry about how you don't like the cheeseburger as you are ordering one?"

No, but the difference is that I'm not spending 65 bucks on a cheeseburger. Mcdonalds food is very reasonably priced for what it is. CoD is not. It's an overpriced rehash.

"You think the killstreak and perk system is so flawed that it's ruined your alternatives, yet you've bought CoD4, W@W"

Let me clariy: I meant mw2 and up had a crappy perk/killstreak system. CoD4 and WaWs were okay, but I would prefer them to stay within COD.

"So, do you want Activision to scrap the whole perk and killstreak thing?"

No, but they need to drastically tone it down and balance it out to where the map you are on isn't covered in explosions for 70% of the match.

"Go play Battlefield. Go play Halo. Go play Uncharted. Go play Gears of War. Go play Resistance. Go play Killzone."

Resistance is a prime example of a game that was ruined due to cod influence. That multiplayer is so freaking unbalanced since they decided to add so many perks and annoying killstreaks to that game. Same with Uncharted 3 multiplayer. KZ3 is somewhat cod like, but not enough to ruin it for me. Halo and Battlefield are good, but you can't play them forever.

I don't get why you're trying to defend Activisions policy of "don't change anything, these people will buy it anyway so there's no need". So you're against the idea of a developer listening to their fans?
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MrBeatdown  +   1390d ago
I'm not defending Activision's policy of "don't change anything" because that policy doesn't exist. People like you just like to pretend it does. I'm just pointing out how ridiculous it is to insist you are right based on your tastes and expectations and demand that a series that is clearly what several million people like be changed to suit your preferences.

If you take issue with it, fine. But you call all the fans "pre teens" and "brodudes". You insult the several million people who do like it, as if their opinion is less valid than yours. You think Activision owes it to you to design the entire series to your specifications because you bought CoD4. Then you call them lazy and greedy, even though CoD offers more maps and modes than any other comparable game. They've added split-screen online. They've added an entire co-op mode. I got 40 hours out of that mode alone just trying to complete the missions on Veteran. Most full games don't even give you 40 hours of gameplay. And they've tried to balance things out while still offering as much variety as they do. But again, you call them lazy because you didn't get the improvements you think the series needs. But so what... Activision are lazy, greedy assholes because you didn't get what you wanted. You treat them as if they are entirely ignoring you, yet for all you know, they're trying and listening. Hell, I've played games with a lot more issues than MW3.

The fact is, they made a great game in CoD4. They earned your money. You didn't make them a success. They made themselves a success by creating a great game you wanted to buy.

They don't owe you anything for buying a game any more than McDonalds owes it to you to keep items on the menu or Amazon owes it to you to keep certain games in stock because you once bought something from them. It doesn't matter if you spent $1 or $65. They gave you what you decided to buy.

You treat it like your criticisms are entirely valid, but like I said, I had terrible connection issues in CoD4, and my experience with MW3 has been fine. But no. Apparently I'm a "pre teen" or "brodude" and I'm wrong. You're right. Activision are assholes because you're not seeing your problems addressed.

And they are lazy because other games have improved graphically, yet CoD4, which set the bar for graphics on both consoles and did so at 60FPS hasn't improved as much as other games which were not only behind CoD4 graphically, but ran at a significantly lower framerate. You make it sound like you know better than the developers what they can get out of each console. Again, you don't care about what anyone else says or thinks, even when they have far greater insight into it than you. If you don't agree, they are assholes, lazy, greedy, brodudes, and preteens.

You act entitled, like everything you say is the the absolute truth, and anyone who disagrees with you has no valid opinion and has terrible taste. Activision shouldn't listen to people like you, because unless they do exactly what you want, and cater exclusively to what you want, you will never be happy, and continue to belittle them and anyone else who disagrees. You show no respect to them, or the people who do like the game, so they shouldn't show any respect to you. Instead of posting a respectful comment on the PS Blog, you call him an asshole here. That really commands your respect, right?

I'm not against listening to the fans. But I'm against those who insist that they, above all else, should be catered to, and go so far as to belittle the developers and everyone who plays the game, and question their tastes while simultaneously demanding that the game be exactly what they want.
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vickers500  +   1389d ago
[going to shorten your quotes to get my full comment in]
"If you take issue with i~~~"

A gamers opinion is more important than a cod fans opinion. Sorry, but someone who knows very little about gaming DOES have a less valid opinion than someone who actually plays a variety. That doesn't just apply to games either. I like movies, and have many opinions on them, but I haven't seen the majority of movies that people consider the best of all time, therefore my opinion on movies is less valid than those who are very knowledgeable and passionate about cinema. The same valid opinion concept applies to video games as well.

"that policy doesn't exist~~~."

Maybe not in writing, but it does exist in terms of what actually happens, and if you don't believe that, then you truly are a naive fool.

"You think Activision owes it to you~~~"

My "specifications" are a game that works, a franchise that at least on the next iteration, fixes WELL KNOWN bugs and issues that have been around for YEARS. Sorry for being so picky and selfish for asking the devs to make the game I paid 65 bucks for to actually work properly.

"I got 40 hours out of that mode~~~"

Yeah, CoD doesn't give you 40 hours of gameplay. You give cod 40 hours of gameplay. Anyone can get X amount of gameplay from any multiplayer game, but that doesn't mean cod has 40 hours of gameplay.

"The fact is, they made a great ~~~"

So the fans didn't make the game a success? The game was successful just because it was good? Funny, there are plenty of amazing games out there, games like Shadow of The Colossus or Okami, where's their success? Where are their deserved earnings? Just because you make something a lot of people buy, doesn't mean you deserve what you get out of it.

"They don't owe you anything for buying a game any ~~~"

Except with amazon or mcdonalds, they'll give me a refund or replacement if what I buy has lettuce on it or is broken. Activision wont, even though their games are clearly broken.

"You make it sound like you know better than the developers~~~

I didn't say "everyone" was a preteen/brodude, but a very large majority of them are. I never said the fans were a-holes, just some of the people at activision who act like they're doing nothing wrong.

"I'm not against listening to the fans."

Could have fooled me, seeing as how your entire argument relies on "go play something else if you don't like it"

And again, I'm not belittling EVERYONE who plays the game. I understand there are those whose "guilty pleasure" is cod, and I'm fine with that, but people who actually believe that cod is actually good and don't recognize the glaring issues with the franchise, do not deserve respect for their opinions.
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TheUnbiasedLion  +   1391d ago
If you hate stay away if you love play away.

I bought COD4 but after that i stopped. Not the biggest FPS fan will play round at my friends house after a few drinks :P
Fylus  +   1391d ago
You rhymed "away" with "away " :P

Also, I didn't mean to give you a disagree; it was supposed to be an agree:/
irepbtown  +   1390d ago
Yes but the Stay - Play rhymed, so it makes sense...

Doesn't matter if you repeat away as long as the second last word rhymes with stay/play.
Fylus  +   1390d ago
Fair enough
Mottsy  +   1391d ago
I wont buy any COD new but i will pick it up for 30 bucks at gamestop :) . Kid wanted to sell his copy they said they would give him 28 bucks in store credit adn even less for cash, i leaned over and said ill give ya 30 for it cash, Game stop gave me a dirty look, kid said for sure. Win win, screw both those companies! :)
pbasson  +   1390d ago
GTRrocker  +   1391d ago
I hated activision before it was cool to. Ever since I played return to castle wolfenstein on ps2.
NIRVANArazor  +   1391d ago
its not "cool" you are just a retarded hipster.
GTRrocker  +   1390d ago
You must be an idiot not to understand a joke. Probably a cod fanboy
spike  +   1391d ago
People hate it when your on top.
xursz  +   1391d ago
Cod being "on top" means others will follow their footsteps. THAT's what people hate. The game is a rehashed mess. Bad for the industry and the gamers who keep it running. Period.
Plagasx  +   1391d ago
Yet people still buy the same game every fucking year...
papashango  +   1391d ago
apparently 7 million people didn't this year. Restore's some hope to this broken generation of gamers.
DEATHxTHExKIDx  +   1391d ago
In all honesty it dosent matter. PPl will buy call of duty on tittle alone same shit every year ppl wont learn so whos gives a fuck Ive been done with COD since MW2.
GraveLord  +   1391d ago
"""Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 3 has sold over 13 million units to date, but it’s nowhere near to the usual 20 million plus milestone which has been exceeded by Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 and Call of Duty: Black Ops with the latter selling over 25 million copies on consoles."""

LMFAO! Oh god how misinformed these people are. It's ridiculous really how stupid some people are.

Fact: The 360 version alone is already more than 13million sold. Combine that with the PS3 and PC/Wii versions and its already ~25million. Best-selling Call of Duty game to date.
Boody-Bandit  +   1391d ago
Those that are disagreeing are doing so against a fact. MW3 is close to 28 million overall and that does not factor in digital downloads of the game. More than likely it's closing in on, or has already surpassed, 30 million worldwide.

At some point in time, if it hasn't already, it will break the 30 million mark. For what ever reason Activision appears to be able to do know wrong with this series. Well at least 30 million people feel this way. I bought it but haven't played it in months.
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ninjahunter  +   1391d ago
I would hope that in the next call of duty a majority of your deaths would not be getting shot in the back. Also, the delay between when you shoot someone and they die is infuriating. All day im getting shot around corners.
Tai_Kaliso  +   1391d ago
"I don’t know, but my guess is that the people who do enjoy Call of Duty are out playing it, rather than commenting here. I would have thought the people who didn’t like it would simply spend their time playing games they liked more."

That sums up what I've been saying for a long time, its the same thing with all the fanboys beating their chests about exclusive games, if they are so great, stop trolling and go play them.
Yodagamer  +   1391d ago
Pretty much how i feel towards the call of duty hate, i don't play it at all, but i'm not gonna sit on a computer and cry about it on n4g or other sites
Genghis  +   1391d ago
People aren't buying CoD because they "hate" it. They're just not interested in it anymore. There really was no reason to release a completely new game after MW2. They could have rode that game and released more map packs for much longer that they did. What I don't think Activision understands is that people waiting to buy a game aren't excited to be the first to have the latest and greatest. They're more looking forward to the time investment that they're going to want to dedicate to getting good at it. If you release a new game every year, all that "investment" goes out the window and you have to start all over again. Why do you think Starcraft lasted so long? People invested time in it.

So, please, Activision or whoever... Make a game that we will want to invest our time in. Make a game that will last years and years, without having to throw away all that hard work after just one year. You did it with CoD4--people still play that religiously.

Earn back our trust by valuing not just our monetary investment, but our time investment as well. Then people won't hate you, they'll value you.

Valve knew what they were doing...TF2 is still one of the most played FPS games on PC. And that came out in '07!!!
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AdmiralSnake  +   1391d ago
He pretty much shut 99% of the COD trolls on N4g up, funny some of them are still here complaining about COD.
FlashXIII  +   1390d ago
How? He basically says if you don't like COD, play something else. The problem is with a few exceptions, these days that something esle is just trying desperately hard to appeal to COD players. Halo 4 being proof of this from what has been mentioned so far.
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green  +   1390d ago
@ AdmiralSnake You are absolutely right. Most people on this site give gamers a very bad name and thats why i hardly comment on this site anymore.If you don't like something,simply ignore and only comment or show support for things that interest you.

And to those that say Activision is ruinning the industry, how are they doing that? Have you played all the other great game out there.?
@Unlimax: Have you played and completed The Witcher 2, Trials Evolution, Journey, Mass Effect 2, Alan Wake American Nightmares ? Those are just a few good games that have come out this year.

Look at your comment history and for the past 23 days, all i can see you comment on is Activision thi and Cod that. Hate hate hate.Your hate towards Activision is blinding you from seeing the other great games out there that you could be spending yout time playing.
Flatbattery  +   1390d ago
I will also agree that there are a plentiful number of members on this site that step over the mark. Although I will disagree that we shouldn't comment on something we dislike.

I haven't purchased or played CoD since MW2, which is when the realisation hit that I was suddenly disappointed with the franchise. I have however kept up with news, reviews and comments in the hope that Activision, be it with IW or Treyarch, have eventually eradicated faults that the series has continually been plagued with. Unfortunately to date they haven't according to a plethora of reports, despite claims by Activision to the contrary.

My question to you is, why can I not comment on these issues, considering that they are keeping me away from a series I used to enjoy and quite frankly would love to again? After all, when the series does eventually decline, don't you think Activision are going to want to know why?

Although when I do I'm usually bombarded with abuse and disagrees which kind of makes the CoD faithful just as bad as the extreme haters.
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FlashXIII  +   1390d ago
Why even bother responding to the haters? Seems unprofessional/stupid responding like he did. When you're on top, you just let the sales figures do the talking and let the haters hate.
hill71  +   1390d ago
cod has bee the most popular title this gen so live with it
Animal Mutha 76  +   1390d ago
COD itself isn't evil if done correctly. The game mechanic is simple and addictive.

People are just tired of cut and paste and the corporate money bleeding of the publishers. MW3 is a big let down for me - I mean elite ffs. All of that data should be in the game like blops.

BLOPS is the best COD game made in my opinion and I still play this as first choice. Reg still over 200k online in blops.

Treyarch ftw.
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SpecialK  +   1390d ago
I think the reason many people are turning against call of duty is not so much thats its a bad game, but because it could, and should, be much more.

I remember when call of duty 4 came out, there was no real debate it was the benchmark for multiplayer fps. Every single map was brilliant and offered a completely different style of gameplay and required different skills and let you play however you wanted.

Bog - stealth, Crossfire- straight up firefight, overgrown- sniping and stealth, wetwork- just awesome tbh =)

Each map felt inspired and driven to provide a different experience. MW3 is fun, but all the maps feel exactly the same. Ask me to name any of MW2's maps and tbh im stuck...

The amount of times ive looked at cod4 and though of buying that and binning all the other cod games ive bought (which i only but in the hope theyve finally gone back to their roots like they always promise) is countless.
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