360 Magazine: From Software has no plans to bring the PC’s Dark Souls: Prepare To Die Edition, and it’s additional content, to consoles. We talk to the game director to find out why…
This is an outrage! I demand gummy bears in recompense.
Or they can make us a new game ...
honestly, dark souls was such a good game that I don't even need the apology.
I knew they wouldn't bring it to consoles for the sole reason that it would be difficult to incorporate it into the online portion.
I'm gonna rebuy it for PC... but im afraid hackers will screw up the experience.
They could just rerelease Dark Souls with the new content. I'd bet a lot of us would trade in Dark Souls and pick up the new edition. And I wouldn't feel bad about that. I have well over a hundred hours in Dark Souls. I totally got my money's worth.
All this complaining aside... it's nice to see Dark Souls reach the hottest position on the front page over all the sequels we already knew had to be coming.
No, gummy bears will be our compensation.
They might bring it to ps3/360 later, but something seems beyond eerie here. The way they're releasing seems to be directly related to the attitudes of the audiences. They may very well have planned all this out to win over each crowd. Fanatic attitudes: "Only on ps3!" "Yay multiplats! Someone lost another exclusive!" "Better on PC!" Releases in order: -Demon's Souls [ps3] -Dark Souls [ps3, 360] -Dark Souls [PC] Maybe....I guess it's a question of whether or not they would go that deep with marketing.
If anything you'd think they'd release it on PS3 also, considering how open the network is and how receptive PS3 fans were to the first game.
@thereasersson, The problem is that even if it's possible on PS3, devs like to keep console versions equal. They'd have another "outrage" in their hands.
@thereapersson The real problem is that now that they are releasing this Prepare to die edition exclusive to PC is they released it on PS3 they would have to add in MORE content as per Sony's policy on previously exclusive games ported to their console.
at least they apologized to us console gamers.. they are a really good developer/publisher
I have a feeling, it was more of: -Demon's Souls: "ugh, we have an unproven new title, high risk, but Sony is willing to take the brunt of that risk in exchange for exclusivity. Done and Done. -Dark Souls: Wow Demon Souls did way better than we could of hoped for. Lets make more money and not have to share high profit margins with an exclusive publishing deal! Drat, have to change the title. -Dark Souls PC: Seems we have demand for a PC version guys! Sweet we can take the 360 build and with hardly any effort at all we can have it running on PC? Oh.... we would have to rework the online component? Not if we stick with Windows live gaming component! Little work as possible and we have a whole other platform! $$$$$$$$$$
I love gummy bears. Try letting them sit in Vodka for and hour and put them in the fridge.
Hey, that's like chewy jell-o shots! *runs to store*
It is what it is. I'll buy it a 2nd time and plug a controller in. I like Dark Souls that much.
He's very sorry that he doesn't have news about it. Probably a contractual thing. Now it isn't always good to generalize, but in Japan there's a bit more of a cultural-historical mandate to be polite, if even overly so at times. I don't think this is the end of this content making it to consoles, this is pretty much the supernice version of "We do not comment on rumors or speculation."
That's where GFWL will actually be useful. If you modify any files, it won't let you connect to LIVE and you risk getting banned.
I have over 300 hours invested....but i'll take some gummy bears. Not many games I get 300 hours out of, nothing to apologize for with me. -caddad
They'll bring it to consoles, eventually. If they don't then it really is an outrage!
not really. there are a bunch of games that have released much later on another system that got extra content not included in the original versions. for example: bioshock. when it released on PS3 a year later, it got an extra difficulty level plus DLC content that wasn't available for the X360 version. and limbo. it came out a year after its release for XBLA and came with an extra, secret level not included in the X360 version. none of the content on the above-mentioned games were patched into the X360 versions. so i don't think that this is anything out of the ordinary and/or upsetting.
It's not all about 360, PC didnt get the DLC either, wasn't particually that good DLC anyway.
Precedence is not justification.
Halo CE PC had extra maps AND you could fly banshees:)
Right you are. If all the other devs jumped off a cliff, would FromSoft feel they needed to do that as well? ...They probably whould if there was glowing red text that said "Try jumping".
But having actually read the apology for myself (from my phone as I'm Websensed while at work) there seems to be a lot of 'backspeak' in his words.
"... cannot say right now about whether or not..."
"... we don't have any news for them at this point."
He's not saying it's never going to happen. He's just continuing to string the fans who supported the Souls' series thus far along even more.
For me at this point, FromSoft should just STFU until they can announce a sequel/successor.
That precedence doesn't make sense either. BioShock came out on PS3 back when downloadable content was still a relatively new frontier on consoles - especially on PlayStation, as they didn't have the luxury of having a universally-online console during their last cycle. The attitude toward and support for DLC is much stronger now. And Limbo was made by a much, much smaller studio. Funded as such. Both of those cases don't point to what may happen to Dark Souls. I think NamcoBandai would really like to make a few more bucks off of this content.
@Keysersosay True. The PC gamers got exclusive extra content with Halo CE. Then, they didn't get Halo 2, 3 and 4. The PC gamers also got to fight the Brumak in their version of Gears of War. Then, they didn't get GoW 2 and 3. The is a reason why some content are called exclusives. It help to get more sales for a part targeted gamer. There's still a healthy number of PC gamer out there and having exclusive content might be a deal breaker for some. It would be detrimental if the same content are available for all platforms and the console-owning PC gamers doesn't want to buy the PC version because of that.
Halo 2 was released on PC. Just sayin'.
@ Skizelli Thanks. Forgot it was on the PC too. I avoided Windows Vista so I missed out on Halo 2. Since then, partly thanks to M'soft's lack of "effort" to support the PC, I dismissed Halo 2 for being a PC game at all. It was so forgettable... Even so, the PC still didn't get the 3 and the upcoming 4. Unless there's a hidden reason for Microsoft integrating GFWL and X Box LIVE together while pushing for Dead Souls to use GFWL with Windows 8 just around the corner.
I'm sure From just wants to give PC gamers a chance to feel their version is special to drum up sales for it. If the PC version isn't unique then whats the point in buying it really? I imagine after PC enthusiasts get to have their fun for awhile From will come out with an even bigger DLC for console goers to enjoy.
"If the PC version isn't unique then whats the point in buying it really?" ... the fact that it's on PC? The petition wanted DarkSouls on PC, and a properly optimized port is really all that's needed. I think it might just be that FromSoftware is focused on the PC version right now, and once that's released and out of the way, they'll work on the console version of the DLC and release it (preferably) for free. Purposely alienating either fanbase doesn't seem to make much sense to me.
"If the PC version isn't unique then what's the point in buying it really?" Mods. And if they're not there...
FromSoft just lost a lot of respect from the people who supported them this generation. This type of sting typically gets remembered.
Pretty disappointing. Talk about a dick-move.
nope. FROM hasn't lost any respect from anyone that wasn't a fickle fan anyways. FROM is a small company. they aren't a huge company like EA/Activision/Ubisoft. every game they make has to be calculated for cost because a wrong move could make them go under easy. I was sad at the news of the PC port, but i will still support FROM because they are coming out with unique content for hardcore gamers. they aren't out to nickle and dime you like other companies.
"FromSoft just lost a lot of respect" Not really. They made my two favorite games of this generation. This extra content will eventually come to consoles, I'll wager.
Nah bro, they aren't doing day-one DLC or disc-locked content. As long as it's a straight release they have my respect. I get what I paid for and it's complete. No hidden strings, no hidden $6.99 endings...none of that BS. I'll probably buy Dark Souls on PC just to support From Software. They deserve it for listening to the fans.
they havent lost respect from me. having already given me 2 of the best games this generation i am an avid from software "supporter". id love the extra bosses and levels as dlc. it will be only the second dlc i would purchase if it were announced. if it doesnt come then ill patiently wait for the next "souls" game that will inevitably come
I agree FromSoft made a couple of really great experiences with the Souls games. They are a couple of the best games this generation. FromSoft really got their brand out there in the limelight. And I'm really glad PC gamers are getting the chance to play it.
I'm not one of the d!p$h!7z who scream out how they won't ever buy anything from them again. I’ll buy DLC or a sequel/successor day one. I'm merely a realist and understand branding.
When FromSoft announced that an announcement “for fans of the game" was incoming one would think something in the announcement might actually pertain to the console gamers who had thus far supported the Souls series. It was an assumption. But it was a valid assumption given the language, imo. When it didn’t, I think it really made them look like schmucks.
Those who refuse to recognize the way this PR move was (mis)handled hurt FromSoft’s branding with many console consumers are either blind, ignorant, or stupid. I’d rather be a fickle fan, and thus a discerning consumer, than a blind follower any day of the week.
“As long as it's a straight release they have my respect. I get what I paid for and it's complete. No hidden strings, no hidden $6.99 endings...none of that BS” – vortis
But it’s a flavor of that kind of BS. Not putting the DLC out as something to purchase (I don’t think it should be free) makes people want to buy the whole game again for PC. Smart business but I think that is still pretty shifty. I know I'm not alone in my opinion.
You buy your 3 copies to support them. I applaud you. I’ll find more practical uses than redundancies for my money.
PS … I still love DSouls and can’t stop playing it.
More power to the PC!!
lol console gamers loss extra content and get mad! pc gamers loss entire franchises that go to consoles and die for the masses like socom did for ps3 gamers. Fair trade?
The difference here is that from software have no reason not to bring the content to consoles. The game is already there... How hard is it to just put it up on PSN and XBL for a fee? They have absolutely no reason not to and somehow they've chosen not to. The decision is a no-brainer. That's why we're getting mad. You could imagine them sitting round a table like "Okay, so we have this extra content, should we make it DLC for consoles?" "Uh, no." "Why not?" "Cos I don't wanna" "Agreed, the extra content is not coming to consoles, I'll go apologise to them now."
They are trying to win over the pc gamers. They already got ps3 gamers, they dug into 360 gamers.. They went over a year before even releasing the game on the pc, now they have to do something to get pc gamers interest after completely ignoring them. Like it or not, pc gaming is on the rise.. Steam has paved the way to make pc games marketable once again, so expect more companies to try to win over that audience.
Fair trade? These aren't strikes or balances or justifications. Why should anyone miss out? Dark Souls shipped out over a million and a half copies, so it's not like bringing it to psn/live would be difficult or the fees too burdensome.
This type of stuff is done all the time when games are released later; in the past games were usually released on the 360 first then re-released on the PS3 later with additional content to help promote that game. The only difference now is that the pc is getting late releases since it is gaining momentum like the ps3 did a few years ago. PS3 gamers were able to enjoy additional content for years, now one goes to the PC for the first time and there is an outrage.
I've been playing SOCOM4 again lately. The masses are morons. S4's campaign was pretty mediocre but the multiplayer is great, and yes I played and loved all the past SOCOMs. Anyway, my bet is that the extra content for Dark Souls will appear on consoles eventually.
The free DLC doesn't make up for the fact that the PC version is being locked to 720p and 30fps, and no graphics options at all. That's a ridiculous new low in port quality. I might as well buy it on PS3 if that's in the final build. Console gamers deserve the DLC. PC gamers deserve a better port.
is that confirmed about no graphics options? seriously, are they trying to sell this game to PC gamers at all? GFWL, no mods, and now you can't even customize the graphics? i'm sorry but that "they're a small company, they can't do everything, this is their first time on PC with the Souls series, at least PC gamers can play it".....all that shit doesn't fly. this is looking like it's going to be a shitty port. if From Software can't do a PC port properly, then they shouldn't do it at all. screw the "we should just be happy that they're bringing it to PC" mentality. no, we should be happy IF it's a good port to PC. and it's not looking like it's going to be a good port atm.
Miyazaki confirmed, "Yes, It’s basically a faithful port. There’s no change to the resolution. The frame rate won’t be 60 FPS." I don't think From Software gets how PC games work, honestly. He seems to think that making it "faithful" is a good thing. Hopefully this is some miscommunication error.
wow is this true? Fromsoft can go pack sand lol must be full of themselves if they think that junk'll sell on pc. It's now not even worth the extra torrent bandwidth.
Why crap on Ps3 players that bought and supported your games...hell we never got dlc for demon souls><
Because there wasn't any DLC for demon's souls. As for what they're apologising for, I don't really see why they can't bring it to consoles. It could be they're not announcing the console DLC because they want people who own the console version to buy the PC version, too for the extra content. (more money for them) Which, if they do that, they're even bigger idiots than I thought. Or maybe it's just not coming to consoles as DLC, which makes me hate them even more. Fromsoftware, who do you think you are? You go and create my favourite game in recent memory and then do this? For shame.
>>because they want people who own the console version to buy the PC version
I already own a game. Why in the world would I want to pay twice? Heck, I'll pirate the game, if From doesn't want my money for console DLC.
^ You might not, but I guarantee you people will.
so time for a new petition? because if it was "so unfair" pc gamers didn't get the game then it is completely unfair that console players do not get the full experience... to me this is meh
@ Summons75 ask & you may recieve, lol. I came across this new Dark Souls petition just yesterday : http://www.change.org/petit... I signed it myself, whether it works or not who knows? (after the last petition, I'm unusually hopeful). I still play this game nearly everday since its release & want that extra content bad. For the chance of seeing a new area or two, being killed by new bosses till I figure them out, murdering new Npcs & of course the best part trying out all that new equipment & spells on some poor soul. I don't get this decision not to release it as DLC, especially to the already established fanbase they got on consoles. I don't mind paying for it (thats 1st for me lol) even though it'll be free content to PC users. I get the whole they waited so they get this free but don't leave us console fans out that originally supported you first.
To be truthful, PC gamers weren't really claiming that it was 'so unfair'. They just created a petition that said that they would buy it if it came to the PC. Fairness seems to have become really distorted lately.
Who ever complained that it was unfair? Since it's release until now, the only time I've seen people bitching about "unfair" was when the PC version was announced with new content. Before that, we didn't really think too much about it. We have OTHER games to play, like a near-infinite amount of cool indie titles (Legend of Grimrock, anyone?) and other such games. When it comes to games, PC gamers will really only talk about console games if there's a superior version. Even now, though, I haven't seen any of that from the PC side, surprisingly. For the most part, console games are console games and PC games are PC games. Also, console gamers DID get the "full experience" last year. As said in the interview, the extra content was only a tiny thing in their minds when making the game, so it's not like they held back content since release just to give it to PC gamers. The console version is complete. The PC version will be complete PLUS some extra content. Seriously, by your logic, the console version of Skyrim isn't complete because it doesn't have mods.
I didn't say the console version did not get the full experience. Now there is new content which means people are missing out on that experience hence why it is now not the full experience.
I think an apology is owed to the PC comunity. We wait paticiently for it to come to us and it's just a straight port. No Video Setting to play with and it's locked a 30 fps ..... also i read it will have shoddy Keyboard and Mouse implementations, not to mention GFWL support. Was going to get this day 1, now im not sure. Think they have kicked themselves in the balls on this one. They have lost lots of sales on this, no PC gamer in their right mind likes stupid console ports. If they had played this right and game us a proper game they'd be rolling in it, looks like a flop.
An apology is owed to the PC community? It wasn't meant to be released on the PC the only reason it is getting released is because of the petition that was made. From Software don't owe the PC community anything other than the same game the console owners experienced.
Err wrong spot Wanna throw in skyrim as a possible point for you to use. But then again i don't believe they would have tried any harder on the product. WOW NYC gamer taking an awful lot of Assumptions in your 3 sentences. You talking about what BF? what other super dope PC game are you talking about? I play PC and i have played BF since 1942. So im not to sure what your point even is. The point is Souls series was a Console only affair that was funded by the console crowd. for the PC crowd to act entitled to something especially a game as complete as the soul series is LOL at best. Crysis PC gamers could keep the game was avg at best just really pretty. Farcry i don't think nerfed the PC crowd any. What else of these uber sick games were ported to console and then screwed on PC? RB6? what? I know the PC games i play never really made it over like StalkerFPS/RTS/MMO's/strat egy. believing you deserve something more then other people because you had to wait. That is the entitle attitude. Also on almost every game besides BF PC gamers get the updates first and free stuff console people pay for . I actually need to know what PC games are ported over that console crowd really buys other then BF and Portal2 but with Portal 2 the PC crowd get a ton of stuff consoles don't so i really don't see your point. Can we also add we are not crying about PC gamers getting to play the game we are crying that they get stuff the Console crowd didn't and the fact the PC crowd thinks they some how DESERVE IT for WAITING. We are all happy PC gamers get to play it it's a great game Awesome game but you don't deserve anything more then us and to say you do proves my point. after all this i don't even think you get what people are mad about with lines like mad about PC getting a port when that is not the reason at all.
@ Blacktar187 You have failed to make any sense. The whole point of a PC is customization and ports spit on that, consoles spit on that ( i own the consoles so don't bitch to me ). No matter what PC games have had a Settings tab in their games, untill consoles starting getting out of had and developer became lazy. Even in Boarderlands 2 the graphics options ETC are classed as features..... These used to be mandatory. I played Demon's Souls on the PS3 and enjoyed but it felt like it should have been a PC game. I skiped buying Dark Souls because i knew it would come to the PC's soon. What i can't understand is why loudmouth Console people always jump on the defensive, it's annoying and you make people instantly find you annoying. "we are crying that they get stuff the Console crowd didn't and the fact the PC crowd thinks they some how DESERVE IT for WAITING." I might like to add that i don't give a fuck about new content, i wanted a game that would play. Not some complete port. I'm at a loss on most of your so called points, lets begin: Don't get your point about Skyrim, also don't care... it sucks NYC gamer ???? if i you are talking about me (as i think you are), you are gravely mistaken. I'm English if i was an American i would have shot myself through shock. Hmm realiseing how dumb your post is, i've found you have posted in the wrong slot. I'll continue anyway. I don't get your point on Battlefield ?? and no one gives a fuck if you played 1942. The point of the soul series ???????? There have me 2 Demon's souls being exclusive to PS3 and Dark souls Multiplatform. Thats hardly a series and hardly makes a point of being console only. Cryis is a glorified benchmark, The original Farcry on the otherhand is Amazing. You sound obscenely obsessed with consoles, i think you need a break. I don't know what you mean by "believing you deserve something more then other people because you had to wait." If they game is going to be on a PC then it might aswell do it properly; or not at all. "PC gamers get the updates first and free stuff console people pay for " Give me Examples ...... And to add to this EVERYTHING used to be free, unless it was an exspansion. Consoles have doomed the gaming industry with DLC. "Portal 2 the PC crowd get a ton of stuff consoles don't so i really don't see your point." The only thing Portal 2 has been given so far is some free DLC, which was free to everyone. On an end note i really don't know what your point is, if you do then ...... O_o
Yea why do PC gamers deserve anything. You guys are a joke. Console gamers made this game relevant enough to get a sequel and relevant enough for them to port to PC. Stop with the We are owed anything PC crowd you make your self look sad and the worst this generation has created ENTITLED Just to add i won this on ps3 btu i will buy PC version most likely
Hmm...maybe you need to look in the mirror and realize all the franchises PC gamers made relevant that got ported over to console....Soo what is with the diehard attitude?so many gamers and their illusions.. ya'll accept when a PC game gets ported over but act like crybabies when its the other way around...talk about entitlement
i for one couldn't be happier. choices to screw users that sony made recently were the ones that made me back off consoles (i bought 120 games for ps3 or so). xbox was out of question because you needed to pay extra cash for online. not that i don't have that cash, i just refuse to pay extra tax as i already pay to my provider. now, with dark souls for PC, i get the only game that i'd miss if i removed console completely. my 2 ps3 will probably simply be gifted with whole game collection to some friend that i know that he can't afford it
The PC community doesn't deserve an apology, nobody is entitled to this game. They didn't HAVE to do anything, and you don't have to buy it.
"We wait paticiently for it to come to us and it's just a straight port." You didn't wait patiently for it to come, rather, you asked them to bring it to your platform. 720p and 30fps haven't exactly been confirmed, and even if the game did ship with those restrictions, the community will find a way around that. Might want to wait until the details about the PC port are finalized before demanding an 'apology' for a game you didn't even buy.
May have to double dip, while to actually use that term with video games instead of movies is gut retching to say the least...sorry wallet! :(