That's good news for Seagate, because electronic distribution means more hard drive sales. "If (data) is in the cloud I get more storage sales because you have to back up everything," he said.
That guy looks like a pedophile :[
edit @ Baker, shut up kid. Did he and Billy tag-team molest you with a harddrive? Is that why you're so in favor of DD? (there, on topic:P)
@Jenzo, she's 19, which happens to be a +1 my age.
Your avatar screams "It takes one to know one".
*edit* She looks like a 12 year old, so in my eyes you're still guilty lol!
since joining n4g your comments are ALL WAYS off topic but never reported such, and u have 5 bubbles hmmmmm..
This is really dumb. I know I wouldn't buy more hard drives to back up important data or even videos I download. I'd want a long term backup. That's some type of optical disc. Blu-ray is the future for that. Hard drives wear out and crash. I don't know how long an optical disc will last but I'm sure a Blu-ray disc will outlast any hard drive. And you can just keep buying more discs to make more copies.
I guess Microsoft asked this guy to say this and help them. I have nothing against Seagate but I can't believe they'd think this is true.
microsoft been saying the same thing for years.they said that after dvds that dd is the next big thing and it's coming a lot quicker then people belives.
i'm a movie fan and i have over a 1000 dvds and i like to have a hard copy to but the sales of dvds been dropping off for years because of dd and that's a fact,just look up dvds and the sale charts for the last 4 years.
even cable companies are coming out with hardware that will down load movies if you want them.
The older generation will never except it, it takes my dad 20 minutes to open his e-mail's.
Also, HDD's will be dead long before DD takes off.
So true. Would you please ask him to send a message with delivery confirmation receipt ?
AT&T will tell you within 2 yrs or less.
Comcast is doing something similar this yr.
Verizon should have something within 2 yrs as well.
I'd give it two yrs and by then you'll start seeing DD services pop up everywhere.
As for older folks playing with electronics.
Most can not even work or setup a new HDTV, let alone select the right source for a BD or HD player.
Then when they get that far they complain about how slow the player is loading a BD disc.
I've had numerous Sony and Sammy's come back on me due to slow load times...and no they don't want a PS3 either.(I tried that)
I believe Seagate has 2 terabyte drive coming out soon? or sometime this yr.
Digital downloads just take too much time. And I don't mean the download part. What if your hard drive crashes? With an optical disc copy you don't have to worry. You can label all your discs and find them easily if needed. Backing up to other hard drives doesn't help. I've tried that. You end up with lots of copies of the same files and then aren't sure which is the copy you want.
Downloads are okay if you want to view something and throw it out. If you do that for movies though why not just get pay-per-view on cable?
ITR Comcast has had their service over a year now only with selective subscribers.
Verizon has had their version for over a year with barely more than 1 million users. IPTV DD are years away before accepted.
As gamers we are the ones pushing downloadable media and we are not fully there, what makes you think the regular commoner will embrace dd faster than we do?
its soo here and now,yeh right tell that to XBOX LIVE down again!
you really think it could handle millions of consumers downloading not even movies but hi-def ones? purlease 6-10 yearsfrom now this will be reality not now
can you download xbox live movies at 1080p with surround sound? yea, that what we mean about digital Distribution.
When I can watch my digitally downloaded movie on a friend's tv, since I own it, with no issues, DRM schemes, or management problems, THEN we'll talk. Until then, disc please.
VERY good point.
You hit the nail on the head. DRM issues is heart of the DD problem, in terms of movies I would rather own them on a disk than some virtual copy with handcuffs. Another problem with DD is the country's network, unless everyone is using fiber there is no way they can mass distrubute quality HD content. Think about it. If cable and sat companies can't even get their HD movies to match the quality of HDDVD or Bluray then how the hell is DD going to do it?
I'm sorry but DD is not ready yet. Not by a long shot.
What do you think all this AACS/BD+ talk has been about in the last two years?
"What do you think all this AACS/BD+ talk has been about in the last two years?"
I don't think you see the point. There's nothing stopping you from taking that Blu-ray disc to your friend's house and watching it there. DRM doesn't stop you from doing that. It only keeps you from making copies. A lot of these downloads though make it so you can't do that. You have to watch it on your sytem. I lend a lot of my DVD movies to friends. Can you do that with a digital download movie?
Well, you're speaking in absolutes. That will all depend on future trends in DRM, and it will also vary by media-company and download service. Right now, it seems that the trend is the demand for non-DRMed content, so in a few years' time your point could be moot.
Also, on the other hand, future DRM implementations within the optical media market could be ratcheted down to much tighter restrictions.
So, I'd say it's too soon to make blanket DRM statements about DLC or Bluray.
Sore LOSERS! When ever Sony "wins" there is something more to be said like this cliche crap "Blu-ray won the battle but lost the war"
Well if Seagate is SO into Digital Distribution why don't they drastically lower there price for high capacity HDD? cuz the demand for higher and higher capacity HDDs for downloading HD content has being increasing drastically and yet the price don't seem to move (as much as they should) or they are lowered by a small amount
so Seagate why aren't you doing your part for Digital Distribution?
cuz at this point by the time you realize you have to drastically lower the price to open the market for HD downloads people would have probably bought their Blu Ray or HD DVD already
and lets not even start with the actual state of internet speeds and quality cuz DD starts looking downhill after that -_-
You do realise that HDD prices are low, have been low, and continue to drop, right? If you don't like what this guy is saying, then refute the point he made, don't discredit his company/industry with made-up points.
I wouldn't say hard drive prices are expensive right now. I bought a 500GB internal SATAII hard drive for around $120. Is that too much? This story though is lame.
This is like saying that VHS lost the war because DVDs came around.
DD is years away, which means Blu-ray can thrive for many years before the next means of movie-owning comes around, which is what a generation of technology does.
Sony working on something for psp so you could download a blu-ray disc to it making it sorta a Digital Distribution but since you have to buy the disc its kinda working out for both sides even though dont count on sharing the vid as Sony will probaly lock it only on your psp so hackers get crackin
I think in reality this is going to be a compressed version of the movie on the disk which can be downloaded to your PSP. Kind of nice to be able to easily do what we already use windows and ripping software for at the moment, although this is a compressed version of a Blu ray movie, so it should be better quality.
Its not really surprising that a HDD manufacturer is saying that optical disks are dead, but there is no chance that this will be a mass market technology for at least 10 years. IPTV is really only in its infancy, and HD channels still don't look as good as Blu ray movies, and are of course, nowhere near as portable as an optical disk, so I can't lend one out, borrow one from a friend, sell it on ebay etc etc.
Sony is really smart on this idea. Not only did they find a way to get me to start buying Blu-rays now I might buy a new PSP. I'll see how things go on my old PSP first. This will definitely help them though. It will kill UMD for movies but then I thought that happened last year. I haven't been buying Blu-rays since I don't have an HD TV yet but if I can also watch the movies on my PSP it will be worth the extra few dollars.
yes blue ray has probably won the battle, it'll probably be around for a few years yet the way technology is evolving DD is the future
I imagine most people on this site have been downloading movies for years.
The format war is for people who don't know Jack about computers.
And for them Blu-Ray has won and will dominate for a long time to come.
I can even control my home PC from work and stream any film i want over the net to my office PC.
Pirating is the way of the future!
Also, if I could get an exact date on when the stock market will crash due to piracy...that would be great.
paying the same price for a downloaded movie as for a dvd with only the ability to watch it 3 times and get deleted after 30 days ????
You're right, THAT kind of restrictive DRM will spell the failure of whatever DD/DLC service one is using, but I highly doubt that when it becomes mainstream that it will be that way. It is likely that DRM will not go away completely, but media companies are realising that there is demand for DRM-free content. Look at EMI's catalog on iTunes. DRM has been an experiment by the major media companies, and overall it is failing.
Actually more and more DRM free stores are opening up every yr.
Napster is the newest one.
So I wouldn't say DRM free media is failing.
Tell that to my friends who are still on dialup.
People watch movies all over the World and you have high broadband speeds in only a few countries. You can order a BD disc online if you're into HD, and it will ship anywhere. In order to have HD downloadable content you actually have to move to another country.
Anyway, I agree with Leon, piracy/sharing is the future, I can't remember when was the last time I paid for a movie or music. If ever. Those publishers really need to rethink their business model, I can't get the fact into my head that, by law, I'm not supposed to copy the music I like to my friend for him to listen. It's just a normal friendly thing to do. If I could copy my food, of course I'd give as much food as I can to all the people I love!
I don't blame this guy for drumming up support for his products, but for all the reasons stated here and common sense in general, the Blu-ray victory ends the format debate for a generation (a tech generation sure, but one nonetheless). I'm sure there are lots of early adopters out there that will be able to buy a large enough pipe and have enough disposable income to be able to take full advantage of DD, and he'll even be able to turn a profit. But there is no way physical media is going away until the infrastructure is in place to support DD for the masses. I think it's cute, he's simply trying to be the first to make a name for himself for the next generation. Meanwhile I see Blu-ray making its way into homes, being another add-on for the 360, and maybe even for Wii2. I said in another post that DD gives you convenience, but for now it's only a niche. Good luck to Seagate, hope to see you in 10-15 years with big, cheap drives once viable DD is available for all income levels.
It will be another 20 years until most of the world has a solid internet connection, much less the 10 mbps it would take to download a 36 gigabyte high definition DVD. And that's with a real 10 mbps connection, not an advertised 10 mbps which in reality ends up being more like 5% of that. And by then the next generation of definition will be going strong and we'll be talking about 200+ gigabyte DVD equivalents. I'm not saying internet capacities won't increase faster than disc capacities on the whole, but that fact is hardly going to make Blu-ray lose some kind of "war".
Flashdrives have greater theoretical potential than Blu-rays too, and 5-10 years from now it will be interesting to see them compete with the next generation of 100+ GB Blu-rays. The guy who wrote this article must have been referring to some point in the distant future when one or more of these mediums eventually replace Blu-ray. That will be near the end of Blu-ray's life-cycle though so he must be talking about some century long war to see which product gets the most space in history books in the chapter about storage and video media. My money is on flashdrives.
The web is dieing under the current strain. A proper HD movie is between 10 to 30 gig how many consumers can do this unless they are paying huge monthly cost to have no contention ratio. About 10% and south korea thats it.
You either pay £60 a month or wait a week for it to download and that not taking into consideration the servers been overloaded. Also 90% of DSL providers have a limit in europe of about 30gig a month.
5 years away at least before you can download a movie quicky and even that will not be very instant. Hit the display button on your PS3 while watching a movie 10-30mps for the video and 4.5 for the HD sound track over 2-3hrs.
Geez. Talk about delusional. HD-DVD fanboys are so bitter :(
I think all fanboys are bitter, so you get an agree from me.
when your HD crashes with all your movies? I know alot of people, me included still prefer a hard copy.
RAID. HDD prices are low enough that it is pretty trivial to have decent data redundancy to protect your library.
Explain RAID to Joe Public.
DD is as much a joke as going and renting a movie for 8.00 only to return it 2 days later. You never own the property. This is for lazy F0ckers that cant get up and change the disc. I like to have the control of when and where I am going to watch my movies. All you do is take it with you and pop it on their player. Besides who the hell takes dvds or Blu-Rays to other houses on a regular basis. You keep them at home and when you feel like it you watch them. BTW I do have movies in my computer but I would rather have my Hard Disc copy any day over some crap you don't even own. Now that is BS!
download distibution isnt going anywhere . Everybody in there right mind would walk into the store pick a retail copy and you have a nice collection in your house. Downloading takes time , space , and a big headache ( not for you , but for others ) . Just think most people dont even know how to use a computer , some cant even download music yet . Its not like we live in the jungle a store is always nearby . But if you like good for you ...
DD isnt worth my time, i like to have a hard copy of the things i own.
OMG THEY CANT GET OVER THE FACT THAT BLU RAY IS MORE SUCCESFULL THAN SONYS BETA THING I BET THEY WAS HOPING FOR IT TO FAIL JUST LIKE BETA MAX AND KNOW THEY ARE PROVED WRONG AND THAT GOT THEIR PANNIES IN A WOD LOL
I agree with you but use less caps next time :-P
Microsoft aims to make both optical and physical storage media obsolete. That includes YOUR hardware, moron. Microsoft wants to control both the media AND the storage part, where people will pay them rent for the amount of space they want.
Microsoft will force HDD manufacturers to compete in order to provide MICROSOFT with the best prices available; however, Microsoft will design OS and media centers with the purpose of NOT admitting hard drives, at least hard drives no larger than the one you find currently on the Premium 360, or so. That way you have plenty of dumb terminals and people paying insane amounts for storage, while Microsoft pays very low fares to HDD manufacturers. It's win-win for them, lose-lose for everyone else. Can't wait till Microsoft charges you for every possible technology service you want, forcing the last Windows OS to every computer in order to not admit more technology; you should pay Microsoft if you want any service that uses it!
Seagate, you fail, and stop blabbering. You know NOTHING.
who is this guy? (my comment is an expression saying that no one cares about who this is or what he says. this is for those of you that might not realize this question is rhetorical. you know who you are.)
Someone tell this corporate lackey once the so called 'HD' downloads quit running at 768kbps and more around 40mbps(Blu-ray max) they have a chance. Until then downloads are NOT going to replace disc sales, it's just a way of RENTING movies!!!
I dont want movies on my F**kin' computer - Hard copies have better visual and much better audio quality. Like many previous posts, discs are much easier to transport.
I am not sure about downloadable content, i like to have something physical. I won't even download and burn a movie because i want the real case. That might strike some people as strange but i like having a physical movie collection.
Not strange at all, that makes you normal. Human nature to want and hunt and gather ;)
The problem is also tangibility. People want something they can put in a bag, take home, and open the pamphlet to look at the credits and movie screenshots.
One day hard disk drives will be obsolete. Already happened in miniature disk drives like the first gen Apple Ipods. Large capacity flash memory is the future.
Listen to Mighty_Douche. DD isn't anywhere near close to being the new standard. Not only do old people not know wtf is going on but people like having HARD COPIES. IT's a material world we live in and people like having stuff that they can see/feel/sell/trade. Most people don't even have a proper internet connection for DD to do any damage to the DVD/BR market.
I'm not going to repeat the same points I've done 4 times before on this site, but I do have one thing to add.
Its funny how all the people who say the whole HD media market won't last are the people who stand to profit if download data goes ahead.
if they can get the infrastructure up and running to do this, then great....it'll finally be ready for me to join in 10 years time. Thank you! See you in 2018!
I don't think so that DD is good way to distribute mass media.
I can see now all new releases hitting torrent, for free.
If you have choice :
-pay and download HD movie
-don't pay and download HD movie
What most of people is going to choose ?
If you download, either DD or torrent, you have nothing physical. Just data on HDD. Choice of most is obvious.
At least, if you decide to buy movie, you will have a copy on disk, box. you can put it in your library. Something to justify your purchase.
@TheMART below, you're the only one who should get banned from N4G.
lol. i can't imagine what it would feel like if i could only play 360 games .. haha. poor guy!
Zhuk believes DD will not take off for another 10 years.Zhuk see's now that hd dvd is dead xbox fanboys are all gun ho for DD.Zhuk knows xbox fanboys will eat anything Ms gives them.With the victory of blu ray the PLAYSTATION 3 can continue its dominance over the xbox 360 with superior hardware and award winning games only found on PLAYSTATION 3
Fake Zhuk's should be voted down to one bubble, be reported as spam and get banned.
Zhuc is no Zhuk. PS3 fangirl copycats from the Sony Defence Force. They're flooding N4G
Disc Drives and Digital Distribution, split between large data requirements and relatively smaller ones respectively. Blu-ray's here to stay, and Digital Distribution isn't going to overpower it anytime soon, especially with Hard Drive Capacity, Hard Drive Lifespan, and ISP Bandwidth Requirements.
...and I see dead 360 HD-DVD add-ons.
People are going to need 2 or 3 drives for backups and backups of backups, maybe.
How long will it take to backup a 1TB network drive after a few years when it gets full?
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