Forbes: "Internet connections, digital rights management and used games restrictions all point to a common theme — when the next consoles drop, both Sony and Microsoft want to be able to keep their consumers under control..."
death by popularity.
Is that like the oppressive majority?
As if the rampant DRM and Online Pass trend thats creeping onto console over the past year or so hasn't been evidence enough. But what can you do eh? I don't pirate games or buy games pre-owned and if I do buy pre-owned games, they're single player so not that much of a problem for me.
Online passes and stuff like that are fine with me as long as it comes free when you buy a new game. I have absolutely no problem with firms wanting to discourage used games. That's fair. DRM is a different issue though. When I buy a game, I expect to be able to play it, even if my internet happens to go out (SP of course). I will be seriously pissed if the rumors about always-on internet are true. If I'm going to have to deal with DRM, I might as well skip the next console generation and build a gaming rig instead.
New buyers like us should be the MOST OFFENDED by online passes! We pay $60, get restricted as to how we can play online (be it by account, # of systems, etc), and ultimately get a game with half the value of games when we could resell them. If they make games cheaper ($40, perhaps), then maybe I'll accept it, but until then, no way!
DRM is awful, but online pass is only a problem for pirated versions or people who pays for prewoned games (but you still can buy the online pass on PSN or Xbox live), so it's not exactly a problem, they really need this money in order to make more profit for the games or else, the preowned copies wouldn't be a new costumer and they would lose money for the preowned market. Resume: DRM is a no go, it's an awful feature and a disrespect coming from the developers/publishers. Online Pass comes for free with your game and if you are going to play online, what's the problem? use your online pass. A preowned game is much cheaper, so you will have $10 for the online pass. I don't see why people complain about it.
I can imagine the next generation of noobs. "Xbox is so futuristic it needs to be hooked up to the internet! yeah! consoles ftw!" lol I know people who don't even know what DRM is. The casuals will conform to this so quick it won't even be funny.
If they want to stop the used game market, then they need to either reduce the price of games or they need to offer something like a 24 hour returns policy, where if you don't like the game, you can return it. Will they do that though? Will they hell. This is all greed. They're making profits now on games. They just want more profit. I mean, if money is so tight, why are PC gamers paying less than console gamers for better looking games? It's all a load of crap.
@MARIOFTW Reduce the prices? some games are like $30 in your country. Do you know the price here in Brazil? I paid R$160,00 for Ultimate Marvel vs Capcom 3 on the PS3 and I wanted to buy it for my vita but the price for this version is R$130,00. Brazilians should complain about the price, not you. Even 50,00 (for a launch game) is cheap if you look at the situation in the other countries. There is no problem with the price, it's not easy and cheap to develop an HD game. " or they need to offer something like a 24 hour returns policy" Some games can be completed in 9 hours (but they do have online and other replay values, just look at Uncharted 2). People would finish the game in 9 hours or less and return it in 24 hours if they doesn't want to play online, so it's not fair! PC gamers are paying less because it's much harder to sell a PC retail game and the digital version is cheaper thanks to the digital distribution. Yes, they need to find another way to stop the used game market, but online pass isn't hurting anyone except pirated copies. If you buy a preowned game you still can buy the online pass.
Online Passes are essentially DRM.. And im sorry, but i think it's ridiculous to require an Online Pass to play online. It's all nice and dandy when you have $60 to spend on a video-game but thats not the case for everybody.
I live in the UK. We pay alot more than $30 per game. Granted, we get price cuts alot sooner than most, but thats down to our good old British stubbornness. We can't compare game prices anyway. You have to go on the economics of each country. We pay more than the Americans, for example, but then we are taxed to hell. They have their reasons for price differences in each country. Videogame prices are too high. A tiering model should have been adopted long ago. For example, while a game like Uncharted is worth £40, something like Resident Evil: Operation Raccoon City is not. Granted, my 24 hour idea is probably a little extreme. I have no problem with Online Passes. I generally buy new. When i'm not allowed to trade in something that i purchased, is when they annoy me. It's bad enough having content locked away from me on the disc. On the otherhand though, why do we need the online pass system? Afterall, if i trade a game in, i'm not on their servers anymore. Therefore, the person who buys it used is in my place on the servers which i already paid for.
Corporate greed is your downfall.
"Internet connections, digital rights management and used games restrictions" Bye Bye Sony! Bye Bye Microsoft! If these rumours become a reality, then there is no way i will be upgrading to PS4/720 from my PS3/360. If Nintendo screw up the WiiU, then it looks like i will skip the next gen out.
or http://www.amazon.com/2K-Ga... I think is actually better than a used gamestop game. But of course you can't sell it back.
I don't mind about not being able to sell it back when it's that cheap. I'll have to look more into PC gaming if the console manufacturers screw us over. Do most games support the 360 pad?
@Mario Just get xpadder on your pc and you can use any controller you want for games. I've been getting into pc gaming alot recently, and I'm pretty sure that if all this is true you can count me in for the PC crew.
@Mario An overwhelming majority of PC games/versions support any existing game pads. Except for strategy games but you'll be fine with the multplatform titles. Even The Witcher 2 has 360 pad support long before a 360 version was announced.
Corporations like money, they wont leave it on the table and force these "rumors" on us. I'm not saying there wont be online passes and even some things like how Batman Arkham City was set up, but I don't think they will force a constant internet connection or ban used games. Sony doesn't know what Microsoft has planned and vice versa, so if Microsoft didn't cut out used games and Sony did, it would be a huge advantage for Microsoft. I've also not heard a single rumor regarding the Wii U and used games. No way does one company ban used games and risk losing market share. I will say that companies are in a habit of telling us what we want more than actually listening though. Its not a new thing however, I remember back with the Gamecube Nintendo said "People don't want to play games online". I remember thinking that one day they would have to actually listen to their consumer base and implement an online that works.
Online Passes? LMFAO XBOX Live Gold was charging people after they already paid for their isp and no game developer or publisher was charging for online games unless they were MMORPG's. Thanks Gold fans for justifying paying fees for services we were already getting for free. Oh and paying premium for a closed proprietary hardware like over $100 for a hard drive locked at 120gb even though you could have got the same hard drive at 750gb for under a hundred dollars with out the proprietary limitation. But people complain about online passes and other fees, you gold fans started this and justified other companies following suite. Dummies. PC gamers told ms to screw themselves with games for windows live fees and ms dropped the fees. dumnb console gamers welcomed the fees. sigh.. don't complain now, this is what you wanted.. hey, at least you got xchat.
XBOX live is a type of DRM just like steam....they just managed to get people to pay for it.
Yep, I don't mind DRM, if I'm using steam I'm obviously pyaing for my games. DRM only harms pirates. Steam has the best prices, chat, mod support, auto updates, video card updates ........... for free.... The microsoft managed to get people to pay is the part that kills me. But you bring up a great point. People who hacked the 360 to play free games for free probably don't care about paying for xbox live gold, $5 a month and free games. Some say leave hakers alone but in this plenty of hackers are helping to bring forth a world of an accepted pay wall. Again, thanks everyone for paying for xbox live gold. Online play.. People are paying to play online and they think its ok. If they think that is ok, they are not in a position to complain about drm or online passes. When a game sells 1 million units but has 3 million people online playing the game (using these numbers as an example) obviously ms and publishers know something is up. It justifies their argument to charge just like microsoft does. oh but we the people and blah blah blah the evil companies.. People think companies care, we didn't want to pay for the increase in games from $49.99 to $59.99 but they did so it became standard. Now when they charge $69.99 and up next gen all the people that jump at the price on in the xbox live gold cases when they pirate the game and it becomes a popular online game, it justifies the new high price. Thanks everyone.
Hopefully these ideas will stay as rumors, but I suppose we can't we really blame the gaming companies for acting like greedy douches and taking advantage of gamers when a lot of us can't even be bothered to stick up for ourselves when we are being taken advantage of, and some of us are even willing to defend their nasty business practices to the point of insulting anyone who points out a game companies flaws, or suggests that gaming companies strive for quality instead of mediocrity. Gamers need to rally together and present a united front for gamers rights, but we won't because we seem to prefer fighting with each other over fighting for our rights. I guess we kinda deserve whatever we get, but I sure hope these rumors never come true.
"But im entitled to whatever I want!!! How dare sony and ms restrict me! WaaWaa!". Don't like it go to an arcade, see how restricted you are. They will do whatever they want. failure or not, it is what it is. Maybe its a sign I should just skate more. Actually do something real, real achievements instead of vitual. That's just me though.
Ridiculous. That entire first line is pure ignorance. And the second line surpasses the first, somehow. I don't know how many times it has to be said to get through some of your skulls, but buying these games and systems means we ARE entitled to certain minimum expectations. We are ENTITLED to a quality experience from what we purchase, first and foremost, which means we are ENTITLED to complain if that quality is not met. It's unreasonable and downright greedy (or ignorant on behalf of supporting consumers) to expect us to pay for games, systems, and internet, only to pay for internet and online play again. It is also unreasonable and greedy for any publisher or developer to expect revenue from secondhand sales they are not a party to, and I have a fairly solid feeling that that is somehow illegal. Yes, an arcade is restricted. You own nothing there but what that coin buys you. It's implicit and understood that a certain number of your coins is required for a given amount of play time; you are leasing the use of the hardware, software, and even the location itself for a matter of a few minutes at a time. The arcade, in and of itself, is a business inside which certain rules must be followed for continued patronage; no such set of rules exist within your own home, unless you yourself implement them. And them doing what they want is predicated on us LETTING them do what they want. If we say no, what the hell can they do? Not make money? I mean, sure, they COULD not make money, but that's kinda the opposite of what they're supposed to do. Still, if they continue on their current path, that's about all they'll be able to do. ... unless there are people out there thinking "It is what it is" who continue to support these greedy tactics.
Big brother looks like Mike Haggar.
There was a recent interview in gameinformer regarding these rumors. The Microsoft guy basically said they had no intention of going digital-only or restricting used games. I know I'm not giving a lot of details, sorry, but it's worth checking out. I know you can't believe everything they say but I feel that if it was something they were actively considering he would have given some bs pr statement saying they "are considering all options blah blah blah" not basically laugh it off.
I feel like the gaming industry will see a huge crash again just like it did in the 80s. Except this time, its going to happen because corporate idiots don't know how to innovate video games properly, and not because consumers are getting bored of it.
seriously, i just want games, im not sure why thats so hard to understand. you give me good games, i support you.
i think the next consoles will force a need for greater quality control from developers and publishers, if your not going to be able to trade in games, then those games will have to be worth every penny. no more bugs, no more glitches, no more jaggies, etc. the games will have to look beyond stunning, and they will all have to be AAA titles, no more shovel ware.
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