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Outrage expressed over planned change to Mass Effect 3 ending

There's an old addage that states "You can't please everyone." BioWare, the acclaimed video game studio behind Mass Effect 3, is finding this out as gamers and non-gamers alike are speaking out against the developer's descision to change the game's ending via downloadable content due out this Summer. (BioWare, Culture, Mass Effect 3, PC, PS3, Xbox 360)

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Nate-Dog  +   927d ago
A quote from one university student counts as "outrage"? The ending isn't being changed anyway, they're just adding on to it.
deep_fried_bum_cake  +   927d ago
OUTRAGE!!! Yeah it's a silly article.
Tuxmask55  +   927d ago
Raaaaage!
da_2pacalypse  +   926d ago
I kind of agree with the university student. I don't think they can simply fix the problems in the ending with an "extended cut". There are things that are fundamentally wrong that can't just be fixed with a tacked on addition. There is virtually no change in either of the three ending choices you are given.

In addition, why are we only given three choices in the first place? Casey Hudson clearly said in an interview before the game was launched that the ending would not consist of "an A B C choice". Whether you liked the ending or not, that was exactly what it was, and so they clearly lied (and it wasn't unintentional).

SPOILER:

In my opinion, the fact that we're not even given the chance to talk with the "ghost child" is just a big smack in the face. No questions, no nothing. Why can't we at least argue with the kid, and say "hey, i got the geth and quarians to finally cooperate, we don't need to continue with this cycle"

In all reality though, I think the explanation for why the cycle is there in the first place is kind of stupid. But perhaps that wouldn't stick out so much if there wasn't so many problems with the way the game ended.
mistajeff  +   926d ago
*spoilers*

^^ it's because the explanation of the reason for the cycles is bullshit to begin with, it's all in shepard's head and the explanation is just harbinger trying to trick shepard. it's a clever ending in its own right, the problem is that it doesn't actually wrap anything up or resolve the central conflict of the series. what i'm worried about is how EA is going to try to milk the franchise going forward, since the reaper war isn't actually over. but i could see bioware using the end choice in a clever way for their next ME game.. if you chose green or blue and became indoctrinated, what if shepard becomes a main antagonist in the next game? what if you got the ending where shepard wakes up, and he/she could be an NPC with appearance and behavior based on your save data? what i don't want is to see the conflict dragged out across a ton of games and have real answers withheld for so long that the fan base will stop caring and move on before anything is actually resolved.
Gaming101  +   926d ago
Have you not heard the constant griping of infantile man-children on the internet whining about the ending for months now? It's everywhere, not just limited to what was mentioned in the article. Yes there is outrage, and yes the people with infantile mentalities in the article were also outraged. Look up the meaning of words before commenting.
ShinMaster  +   926d ago
Why is Mass Effect so overhyped?
The movement and shooting mechanics are sluggish.
The RPG elements are lacking.
The animations are decent.

All there's left is the graphics and story. But even the story in Mass Effect 3 seems to be struggling.

ME1 was the best one.
lord_of_balrogs  +   927d ago
It was so easy to create an ending to Mass Effect 3, I don't know how they screwed it up.

Paragon option high EMS: destroy the reapers, Shep lives, hug your romance, earth is saved, see a series of epilogue cutscenes from your actions throughout the series.

Paragon option low EMS: destroy the reapers, Shep dies, romance option goes to your funeral, earth blows up, see a series of epilogue cutscenes from your actions throughout the series.

Renegade option high EMS: control the reapers, humans now control all of the galaxy due to controlling the reapers and they subjugate all aliens, Shep lives, alien romance dumps you for this betrayal, human romance is okay with it, earth is saved, see a series of epilogue cutscenes from your actions throughout the series.

etc.

oh and destroying the mass relays was stupid, how will sequels happen without the mass relays?
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Lyle91  +   927d ago
Galactic society's need to travel vast distances leads them to making their own Mass Relay technology.
Blacktric  +   927d ago
At least now the stupid Asari Matriarchs will listen to Aetheyta s suggestions about creating their own Mass Relays instead of laughing the blue off their asses at her like she said. Hell, maybe Shepard can find a memory shard from Protheans that details the construction of the Conduit from the first Mass Effect. BTW; the sequels CAN happen since Mass Relays were just an easy way to travel between star clusters. Since most of the ships have FTL drives, they can use them to reach certain clusters in a matter of months or years.
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Pillville  +   926d ago
Assuming the Indoctrination Theory is true, nothing at the Citadel at the end actually happened. It was all a "dream".

The only reason I hope the Indoctrination Theory is true is so that they can "undo" the plot holes and bad choices.

So,
There's no star child
Citadel not destroyed
Illusive man is not dead
Mass Relays are not destroyed
Reapers not destroyed/controlled/synthesiz ed
Shepard is still in London, Reapers still attacking, crucible still might work, squad still alive, etc.., etc...
mistajeff  +   926d ago
the indoctrination theory is the only possible explanation that makes sense. to be honest, i don't even see how the current ending could've gotten approved unless the indoctrination theory were true.
wicko  +   927d ago
Glad I didn't give them any clicks - hurray for comments.
deep_fried_bum_cake  +   927d ago
That's the best way to go about it.
DeadlyFire  +   927d ago
I still have not read anything about a changed ending. I have read that we will actually see some extra cutscenes/clips + likely text boxes explaining bits that are missing.
BlackPrince 42  +   926d ago
Next comes the outrage over the outrage by the people who were outraged by the original ending in the first place.

Bioware should not have responded in anyway. Once they started feeding the trolls by being accomodating they prolonged this nonsense further.

Had they kept mum everyone would have forgotten this in a few months.
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VanillaBear  +   927d ago
Sorry but what idiot wouldn't want them to clear up the plothole filled mess that we have to call the ending to a great trilogy.

Theres just trying to make sense to the ending we currently have.....although I will admit if over time we find out they aren't using the indoctrination theory then I will be p*ssed off since theres no way you can explain all the plotholes in the ending.....theres just to many, plus they havent denied that theory yet.

I'am still a little dissapointed it won't come in the form of gameplay like one last level/boss AND THEN the ending cutscene but this is better then nothing.
Nimblest-Assassin  +   927d ago
no... the outrage is from people who want a completely new ending rather than the extended cut.

Mass Effect "fans" are becoming annoying now. It was a bad ending, they want to explain it... WHY DON'T YOU LET THEM? It won't cost you anything, they did not have to do it.

No... they want some completely new ending, rather than letting Bioware clarify theirs.

They are doing it for free, let them do it, and then judge. Getting mad over them wanting to help the fans and adress their concerns is idiotic.

The people who want the ending changed are not entitled.... no, they just do not understand that life is filled with disappointments. You move on... you don't whine and complain that something does not meet your liking. It will happen a lot in life.

I actually feel sorry for those people who are "outraged" over the ending. They just can not accept disappointment

THERE ARE MORE PRESSING ISSUES ON THIS PLANET, RATHER THAN THE ENDING TO A VIDEOGAME FRANCHISE!

@vanillabear

I love Mass Effect, and sure the ending sucked. Im annoyed by the fact that Bioware wants to address these issues, and people refuse to listen or even give them the benifit of the doubt, it is always change the ending or GTFO...

Thats why I say, get over it. If this is how they want to approach the issue, give them a chance, and see how it goes, rather than complain that once again life is filled with disappointments.
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VanillaBear  +   927d ago
Look the people who wanted the ending changed at the beginging are right and are entitled because there the ones who made got Bioware were they are today and made ME popular. If the ending is full of plotholes which goes against the rest of the game which is well written then yeah...theres something wrong.

I could go on but all of this has been said before.

We get it though, you don't care about the ending and if you don't care why get upset over people who wanted the ending changed in the first place.
Nimblest-Assassin  +   927d ago
Do they deserve it though? Do you think George Lucas knew that Star Wars would explode to the lengths it has today?

No... I chose to keep watching Star Wars and playing Mass effect. Those people owe me nothing. I kept paying for their product because I chose to.

Why do you think Lucas keeps tweaking the films? He wants his own personal satisfaction in the movies he created. He does not care for the fan backlash. He never asked for millions of fans to obsess over his work. We chose to...

Fans annoy me because they laugh at artistic integrity. They think conforming to the people who pay for your product is the right thing. For artists, it is painful to do, because they feel like they would be cheating themselves.

Why do you think they refuse to change the ending? Because if they do, it hurts them on that scale, because the work 'they' wanted to do is squandered, due to what other people want you to do.

If you had a dream, and you wanted to do this so badly, but everyone else laughed at you and forced you to do something else, don't you think you would be disappointed with yourself.

If this is how they wanted Mass Effect to end, this is how they wanted Mass Effect to end. If thats how George Lucas wants Star Wars to be, thats how he wants it to be.

We choose to try these things, we chose to like them and continue to buy their products. They do not owe us anything. Bioware does not tell people to dress up and cosplay as their characters. These people choose to do so.

We took the blue pill, we saw how deep the rabbit hole goes. We did not like what we found, this is expected in life.

Its a labour of love for these people, we decided to go along for the ride.

I too can go on and on about how that integrity is important, but it will fall on deaf ears. I expect disagrees, but I really do not care.

We made these choices, we need to accept them. Thats how life goes.

All these people who complain for refunds, a new ending, etc, etc should not act like this. We should understand that Bioware did not tell us to love their product, we choose what we like, and do not like.

Im tired of complaining. I will wait for this extended cut, but this is the last time I will return to the Bioware Social Network, or talk about the ending. Im done
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antz1104  +   926d ago
@ Vanilla,

People aren't entitled to anything unless you're royalty, lol.

People are going to find a way to b%tch about anything. While not the best ending, I need to look at it like I got sixty awesome hours (so far) out of a game with an ok ending. There are far worse games out there. Admittedly I was disappointed I didn't get to dropkick Harbinger into the next galaxy though.
upallnightgamer  +   926d ago
Well-spoken, sir. I'm waiting to see what this Extended Cut will include. I can even look past the fact that they destroyed the Mass Relay network, since Patrick Weekes said they weren't necessary for interstellar travel. They were just a convenience. BioWare is finding themselves in a damned if you do, damned if you don't sitch.
sly-Famous  +   926d ago
"Sorry but what idiot wouldn't want them to clear up the plothole filled mess that we have to call the ending to a great trilogy."

The idiot that will have to pay a fee for it.
Nimblest-Assassin  +   926d ago
you have a problem with free?
upallnightgamer  +   926d ago
Did you just ignore the fact that it's FREE?!!! As in "WILL NOT COST YOU ONE RED CENT"?
SageHonor  +   927d ago
Misleading title. Not surprised. Not worth a look. Pathetic article. I guess its that " slow time " of the month
RXL  +   927d ago
better than "that time of the month" if you ask me..

*continues hiding from girlfriend*
dredgewalker  +   927d ago
better than "jail time" if you ask me....

*continues hiding from the cops*
IIC0mPLeXII  +   927d ago
Simply put if they are angry about an ending change they aren't real fans of the series.
Hicken  +   927d ago
Lots of non real fans out there, then. Not saying I'm one of em, though.
Bimkoblerutso  +   927d ago
Don't be ridiculous. I think many of us just think it sets a poor precedent in the industry, especially when the topic of whether or not games should be considered art comes up. Community influence is never conducive to artistic integrity....ever.

Luckily, they're not really changing it.
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Qazdaz  +   927d ago
It sets a much worse precedent if they don't change it. The ending was piss poor. A 10 year old could have wrote better. If that's the standard for storytelling in gaming then games will never be considered art.
aliengmr  +   927d ago
Maybe it will, and next time a developer decides to make a story driven trilogy like Mass Effect, they'll plan for the ending from the very beginning of production instead of waiting till the last minute.

Maybe they consider the quality of the ending before tacking on an incoherent mess and calling it an ending. Then just assume the fans should happy they're allowed to buy the game in the first place.

I hope it sets a precedent. Think twice before handing garbage to your customers and telling them its gold.
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darkride66  +   927d ago
I said this exact thing would happen. Let's face it. There was a group that wanted to hate Mass Effect way before it even launched. They moaned about changes in Mass Effect 2. They called for a boycott when the game went multiplatform. They lost their damn minds when it dared offer day one DLC, they freaked when the ending wasn't all things to all players. Face it. They'll be pissed no matter what Bioware does.

And isn't it the journey, not the destination? If you can play a game, but a hundred hours into it and enjoy it every step of the way and then lose your mind when it doesn't exactly stick the landing - why are you even gaming? I've played so many great games with shite endings I've lost count over the years - but I still look back fondly on a number of those titles because playing them was damn entertaining, even if the ending let me down.

And what of the fans and critics that had no issue with the endings? It's funny to me that those pissed off by the endings are so self absorbed, so unbelievably arrogant that they thing their will should be forced on everyone. Thankfully Bioware isn't having any of it. I think the extended cut could patch up some plot holes, but I love they aren't changing the ending - and why should they? It's their creation.

Don't like it, tough. No one put a gun to your head and forced you to play, or to support their future products. If you think you can do better, prove it. Make your own damn game. Feel free to share your opinion, but don't for a second think your can ram your opinion down everyone else's throats. Nor do you have the write to threaten individual Bioware employees or their families - like we've seen done here. Games aren't made by corporations. They're made by people. Talented writers, artists, coders, etc - and the people who love and support them. And I can't get over how quickly these little shits turn on those people who gave them so much gaming joy just like that. It's despicable. Didn't like the ending? Complain and move on. Stop trying to punish these people and their families because your daddy didn't give you enough hugs.

Bravo, Bioware, for even trying to placate these people, but more so for leaving your ending intact.
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ziggurcat  +   927d ago
bubbles for you, sir.
TekoIie  +   926d ago
I too am giving bubbles.

I liked the ending because it leaves the story open to speculation. I wanted a "sacrifice yourself" ending and I got something similar. I think that if fans dictated the ending to games/movies entertainment wouldn't be the same.
greyhaven33  +   926d ago
Well said
Bimkoblerutso  +   926d ago
Yeah, I'll throw a bubble in there too. Well said.
upallnightgamer  +   926d ago
And one that didn't have to happen. They could've just left it alone.
Megaton  +   927d ago
The ending isn't being changed, so whoever is "outraged" needs to pay more attention to what's going on.
SactoGamer  +   927d ago
The feeling with these folks is, apparently, that even adding onto the ending is the same as changing it.
brbobcat  +   927d ago
Who approves this crap? Does the author have 10 accounts that he just approves all his crap
SeraphimBlade  +   927d ago
Where? I don't see any. Not from people who actually understand what's going on, anyway. More people seem mad that they're not changing it enough.

Me? I just want everyone to shut up.
Razgriz383  +   927d ago
I wish they WERE changing the ending...
maniacmayhem  +   927d ago
IMO, the ending was left so far open only for the sake of EA and Bioware continuously giving us DLC to find out what the hell happened.
Anti-Fanboyer  +   927d ago
Local ABC News10.

Didn't even bother reading.
ginsunuva  +   927d ago
Remember that leaked script a long time ago? What was the ending back then?
urwifeminder  +   927d ago
Still have not got the game as im saving for other things ill be pissed if it got changed to the point of never buying it screw shepard and the hundreds of hours i put into me 1 and 2,as it will no longer be the original vision if i can play without updating i may still get it way to screw it up rabbid fannyhags.
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strange1986  +   927d ago
Wow. If you don't want the extended ending then don't download it. Very simple.
DA_SHREDDER  +   927d ago
Outrage? More like nerd rage.
SephirothX21  +   927d ago
Its only a game. I won't buy the dlc as the ending on the disc is the ending full stop. Grow up, get over it and move on you immature cry babies!
WitWolfy  +   927d ago
Tell that to the people who bought SF vs Tekken games as well. Seeing it is a "complete game" TOO right?... RIGHT???
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Gigglefist  +   927d ago
If I may quote...
"Some people just want to watch the world burn..."
That's pretty much it. People complaining just to cause trouble.
MeatAbstract  +   927d ago
Ok Mass Effect fans. Shut up. Just shut the hell up. I'm all for having a moan once in awhile about how dissapointed you are by something. We all get like that. But you all feel you're so entitled to this extended ending. Some of you even want a new ending altogether.

Is this how things work now? A group of fans aren't happy with something so they cry and complain until someone caves in? Bioware should of stuck to their guns on this.

What if The Beatles had fans like you? Complaining that they didn't like 'The White Album', that they should take it back and do it again because "OOOHHH I DON'T LIKE IT!!!"

I wouldn't be surprised if David Lynch got a lot of complaints cause his work is hard to interpret, I'm sure many people and fans alike can be dissapointed by his work. It's people like that though that have an artistic vision and stand by what they created, regardless of what people think.

The mob mentality of Bioware's fanbase reminds of that Russel Brand and Jonathon Ross stuff awhile back when they played a joke on the radio. About 5 people complained but then the press got wind of it and everyone jumped on the bandwagon and delcared "THATS HORRIBLE!". If the ending hadn't of gotten as much media coverage as it did, I reckon people would of just been dissapointed but would of just left it at that.

How many other games have a dissapomting ending? How many TV shows, films, concept albums, books have dissapomting endings? Its countless.

Your crying and moaning got you SOMETHING from Bioware anyway. Shut up and take it and be grateful you're getting anything at all.
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00  +   927d ago
can I call you
entitled for wanting the fans to not be entitled or those only entitled to for being entitled for wanting entitlement change because they're entitled? is it already entitlement for entitlement sake or is there a difference the entitlement.
WitWolfy  +   927d ago
Watching a TV show/movie or reading book doesnt cost you $60 now, does it?
00185  +   927d ago
These Mass Effect articles are getting old.
PooEgg  +   926d ago
Yes, and they are like a train wreck, I don't want to look anymore, because it makes me so sad, and yet I keep looking...why do I keep looking!
Roccetarius  +   927d ago
Seems like the people complaining about fans still don't get it. I guess their head is too thick to realize it.

Also, that word ''Entitled'' gets thrown around quite a lot. Pretty much all of the bad journalists rears their ugly head with that. It shows how few ''gaming journalists'* we truly have.

People will always be Sheeple, accepting the shit they're given. They literally took a dump on the franchise with the ending. This all happened due to pressure from EA, and too little input from the other writers.

The ending is just one thing on the pile.
ziggurcat  +   927d ago
what's not to get? you're crying over the ending to a *video game*, and throwing a 3-year old temper tantrum. that's why the word "entitled" gets thrown around - because you're all acting like spoiled little brats.

stories don't always end how you want them to... so get over it and move on, already. just be glad that they're at least trying to explain some of the things were confusing you crybabies.
PooEgg  +   926d ago
The entitled thing is just stupid. It reminds me of when a child learns a new word, but has no clue what the word means, so the child just runs around saying it all the time. At least its cute when the 5 year old does it, it isn't cute when a troll does it.
glennco  +   927d ago
I am OUTRAGED!
PixL  +   927d ago
I woke up and found that my toothpaste ended. So I wrote a blog article and outrage started. Tomorrow - riots.
stragomccloud  +   927d ago
The ending is being changed at all. Simply, "clarified."
Valkyre  +   926d ago
is every single matherfacker out there retarded or what? They are not changing the facking ending they are just adding to it, extending it.

Jesus I dont know what the hell is going on it seems like there are 2 groups of idiots

the A group is the one outraged why the ending is not changed and is only expanded

the B group is outraged because the ending is changed when it is actually not...(i guess they win...)

fack my life lol
honkyjesus  +   926d ago
When they truly change the ending, you will be paying for it. This update is just going to add a new color to the ending.
ShiftyLookingCow  +   926d ago
Terrible article. I regret clicking the link.
I would rather listen to a cat meow about being a drunkard.

Well this is it ME fans. Lets wait for the DLC. Either Bioware is going to keep the ending f*(ked up with "explanations" or they will do something more imaginative. There will be no more changes after that so don't waste your time with this. Play some other game like The Witcher or some silly JRPG(I am playing SO First Departure, Sh!t I can't have Erys Jerand).
TheOrion  +   926d ago
Even if there was a point to be made those who wanted it to stay the same simply don't have to touch the DLC, those who wanted a new ending well you got a clarification to appease that.

To expect an entirely new ending because you didn't like it is silly. Hell I hate the ending to FFXIII-2 but I don't expect them to go back and change it for me.
MonopolyRSV  +   926d ago
Nickle and diming people for the most ridiculous stuff that isn't even related to the actual gameplay for the most part. I'd never pay for it.
Kurylo3d  +   926d ago
no ending is good enough for these big cry babies.
Spazz  +   926d ago
OMFG if you can't obviously tell that is not the ending then you people have serious issues.

It is a dream state or as some call it indoctrination theory.

Bioware was already planning to add to it before everyone started bitching except they thought they would be able to do it for money in DLC content. They didn't expect the backlash they received. So hence why it's going to be free!
Kurylo3d  +   926d ago
would also explain how fast they made it lol
ArtificiallyYours  +   926d ago
Frankly, this became a dead horse as soon as Bioware announced the DLC. Take it or leave it. Two chances for anything is a damn blessing.
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