The following information comes from a source supposedly closely involved with manufacturing and distributing Nintendo products...
I keep telling people that the controller isn't as expensive as it would seem. People look at the $60 controllers today and use that as their base logic for thinking the Wii U Pad costs "$100-$150" to make. But what people got to realize is that the controllers we're paying for now are OVER-PRICED. Notice how the price in console drops, but the price in controllers don't. Technology gets cheaper as the years go by, yet the controllers for the most part keep constant. So the $50-$60 price tags on these controllers are basically bullshit and it's just the companies making maximum profit. Anyway $300 seems just right. It's either that or $350, that's my prediction.
that seems pretty spot on. Nintendo is known for listing their award winning consoles at an affordable price to maximize their install base. Which will put them in a solid position to lower the price when the competition decides to play peek a boo at a press event. A strategic move. Rated E For Everyone
Bull! I always loved your comments, because you're one of few people on this site that talks highly of a console without bashing the other consoles that are out. But sometimes I feel like you're clearly are out of touch with Nintendo. "Nintendo is known for listing their award winning consoles at an affordable price to maximize their install base. " When the 3DS released it was 250 dollars and I'm not saying that 250 dollars is not affordable, but the system was overpriced for an updated DSi with 3D technology that lacked a second analog stick that people asked for before the DSi released. But they Opt to sell the the second analog stick by itself and only having two ways to get it in the US (Gamestop and the Nintendo website). More or less they are selling it for the same price the DSi XL cost now(179.99), so they are scum like every other console manufacturer. I understand having a high price to get as much money as possible since there won't be much competition in the Next-Gen area until the PS4(orbis) and XB720(Durango) comes out. But how many people do you think will jump for the WiiU when looking at Nintendo's track record of dropping the price so quickly, other than the Nintendo fanboys/girls. I'm not hating on you or Nintendo, I'm just one of those people that will not be jumping for the WiiU so quickly like most did with the 3DS. I rather wait until the games I want are out for it, the price drops and they release the piece that is missing for it. I have all current gen consoles, so I don't hate on any. It's just some people hate to admit when something is wrong with the console they favor or the console manufacturer they favor.
@Godchild1020 "talks highly" is a huge understatement. "reveres with an over the top passion" is more correct.
This looks to me to be a full attempt at damage control! Reasoning behind this statement is because lets just assume the touch-screen is pretty cheap to manufacture, it still just a small piece of the proverbial puzzle when all is said and done! We still have to account for the console itself and with the rumored specs I for one couldn't see it selling for 399 usd at the least. Just for the sake of argument the controller alone is supposed to have a native display of 1080p or 720p at the very least. Most cellular phones or tablets don't have those type of displays! And for those that do, they are anything but cheap! H#ll no gaming handheld have displays like that.
@godchild1020 Those were some pretty nice assumptions, but I can't agree or disagree with what you said. You can't sit here and say that people will or will not jump to the Nintendo Wii U right away because you are not the people. You are a person. A person that has no clue to what the people will do and no right to speak for how soon or later they will make their purchase. If they even make one at all. Everyone starts believing they are a game developer and an analyst when there is speculation going around. Even this article is another rumor so what I said above is not anything concrete either. Nobody here, in the fake ps4, or fake xbox 720 articles know what they are talking about. Besides tech demos from almost a year ago NOBODY on n4g.com has seen anything. All of this defending and cutting people down from their guess work to try to push your own is a waste of time as well. Only Nintendo knows info on the Wii U as of now, which may or may not even be the final name of the product. So maybe this can put an end to all of this so we can have a proper debate with proof and facts during or after E3 2012. Plus bubbles though for your semi realistic post. Intelligent. I will be happy to continue this with you in june. Rated E For Everyone
If it's above $299 I'll wait for a price drop. @Shok Great example about the controllers which is why I don't buy controllers unless they go on sale.
@god child. An updated DSi? The graphical difference is the difference between N64 and Wii. That's a bit more than a simple update.
The focus is around the controller. Its hard to tell. I hate the fact that the controller seems tied to one user, especially if its pricey. Also, its still a Wii and will use WiimoteM+ as well. E3 ladies and gentlemen, its the only place we can get questions asked and answered.
@Godchild... You did see that General Kaos said "CONSOLES" right? You go on to list the 3DS and DS. Uhm, those are handhelds. Those aren't consoles. The handhelds might be overpriced, but aren't all handhelds, including phones? But ya.. he said consoles. Not handhelds. There's a big difference imo.
@ Prince_Dim-Lu Voted well said for paying attention
I bet the controller will be $70
I honestly really doubt the controller would cost any less than $100. You have to think about packaging, shipping, etc and the fact that stores get a cut of the price, so for them to make a profit, it would have to be about a $100 atleast.
controller would be 50-70 I dont see why anyone would complain when people buy stock controllers from 40-60 that dont have touch screens and such.
I predict $350 but highest i'd pay without complaining is $400
300$ is the cash cow magic number Xmas sale 270 or 249. 249 is such a Nintendo price.
thats because console makers make money off accessories more often than not
That sounds about right, but sadly it will be outdated soon. I'm not trying to be negative, I like the Wii U, but when the PS4/XBOX 720 come out, it will become like the Wii with more developers choosing the more powerful system to create multiplatform games. The Wii U will be high tech and advanced for a year more, but after that it will become like the Wii. Successful, but most of the quality games will come from first party devs.
That depends if the 720/PS4 will actually be crazy high-end consoles though. Sony already came out and said that they're not going to invest so heavily into the specs of the PS4. They're not going to repeat the PS3, basically. Not to mention, Sony lost TONS of money this gen on both the PS3 and now the Vita, so they can't afford another high-end console. Microsoft, they really have no incentive to go high end. They've stop investing in hardcore exclusives for the most part and they've been enjoying this Kinect money. Heck, their last 3 conferences have been Kinect-focused. I could be wrong this, this is more of a point-of-view kinda thing, cause all because they may not be into appealing to hardcore gamers now doesn't mean that they won't with the 720. That's my thoughts on the matter.
But then that would be just stupid, the point of moving up a generation is to create something more powerful, otherwise people have no reason to switch. As much as I hate iOS/phone gaming, if consoles don't advance fast then they will soon be overpowered by tablets and phones. The Wii U is a huge move up from the Wii, the next systems will be a huge jump, like it's always been.
@Jio ^I see what you're sayin man but fact of the matter is is that we've hit a wall. If we were to take a big leap like we did between the PS2 and the PS3 then we'd end up paying for $200 games and many smaller dev studios would shut down. You gotta understand that the gaming industry can't advance as quickly now, especially in this economy. Don't expect the same leap between last gen and this gen for this gen and NEXT gen. All 3 next gen consoles will be decently powered but don't expect photo-realism at all. @Tai The 360 exclusives actually started slacking off back in 09. Lack of exclusives at the very END of a console's life cycle I understand, but this started much too early with the 360. I didn't say Sony and Microsoft wouldn't try the core audience again. Saying they wouldn't go with high-end hardware doesn't mean that their fanbases are gonna leave'em, ya know? When it comes down to it it's all about the games. Games determine the audience the company is after.
Microsoft hasn't stopped investing in hardcore exclusives, its the end of the Xbox 360's life cycle and so they shifted focus more towards the end of the cycle in order to keep selling consoles after the next one has launched. All of Microsoft's top franchises are core as far as I'm concerned. I think its pretty clear Microsoft and Sony are going to have higher ended consoles than the Wii U will be. I think the Wii U is still going to be great though, everyone complained that they wanted the Wii HD and that is basically what this is. Who knows if it'll get the third party support they want, but it'll certainly be the first HD Nintendo console and I'm interested to see what Nintendo comes up with for the console. Even though Nintendo might not have the power that the others will, its still going to be successful. I think a $299 Wii U going up against a $399, $499 or even $599 PS4/Xbox 720 will do more than fine. Its getting at least a years head start and people are hungry for new tech. I'll be buying all three, just like this generation, but its kind of ignorant to assume Microsoft and Sony wont come out and try to gain core audiences.
"Sony already came out and said that they're not going to invest so heavily into the specs of the PS4"
a lot of the money that was spent in the ps3 in my opinion was from 06-07.
the high cost of blu ray and in 06-07, they got much criticism of lack of available units to a point where people were pwning each other in the parking lot and in front of the stores just to get a ps3.
what was it? 200,000 available at launch or something? originally from 500,000 got reduced to 200,00 initially at launch for the US.
it was somewhere along those lines. i dont really care if someone shows me a link where im off by a thousand or two.
but the point is that sony ended up air shipping these ps3s over to the west and that also costed sony considerable amount of cash.
losing 200 dollar per ps3 sold wasnt a smart move either.
so even though sony isnt going to spend ps3 size investment, i kinda doubt they're going to make a ps2.5 type of console either.
they'll just correct all the mistakes they've made from ps3's launch.
ps4 probably will use the cheaper blu ray and so on, they dont have to make a ps3 size investment in a ps4 to make a good console.
@ Jio The performance increase between the PS2 and PS3 was about 40 fold but bear in mind that the PS2 has a weak performance base. The more advanced this technology gets the smaller will be performance increase relatively but will still be massive in absolute numbers. If the PS4 is to be just 10 times stronger than the PS3 then the PS4 is 400 as strong as the PS2, that's performance of additional 360 PS2s.
Only thing Sony means to say is that we will not be getting a new Disc format that will cripple our bank and damage our market share so drastically. PS4 will be cheaper than PS3 at launch, but power will be on a very high level. PS4 and XB3 will be reaching for a new graphics goal. Maybe not perfect photo realism, but it won't be to far from it. This price tag for the WiiU spells out repeat of last gen for Nintendo. Only well it will be fighting with PS3, X360 over titles in the future instead of PS4/XB3. Even on economical Hardware level WiiU should be capable of seeing game engines like Cryengine 3/Frostbite 2 to their maximum settings on 720p.
The 360 came out a year earlier than the ps3 and the difference between the two isn't that large of a gap.
The same could be said for the WiiU. All systems will have an advantage over the other here or there but I doubt one system will have superior tech that will out weight the other by miles.
It will come down to personal tastes and software in the end.
the difference between the PS4 and XBOX 720 will be like 360/PS3 and Wii. The Wii U is just a bit more powerful than current consoles, what you're saying is like saying if the Wii came out before the XBOX, and it's as poweful as the original XBOX, that the XBOX 360 will be as powerful as the Wii.
That is just a rumor though. Many devs have said that the WiiU is way more powerful than the 360/ps3. It has only been recent that some unnamed source claiming that the wiiu isn't as powerful.
But it still remains to be seen.
It's gotta be more than that. 3DS was first priced at $250. Why would a new console only be $50 more?
Maximum profit man, maximum profit. The 3DS didn't need to be at that price point at all, Nintendo was just being greedy. Like this article said, it only costs Nintendo $100 to make a 3DS. That's why they were able to afford that $60 price drop.
Well depending on what CPU and GPU they use for the system. It can easily be that price tag. Remember Nintendo isn't about Specs, yet they manage to keep there systems affordable for the mass market. They can easily put a 4 year old card in there system and it will produce better graphics then what we get today. Providing that the CPU is a Power 7. Perhaps they lowered it down a bit. At the end of the day, take this with a Gain of salt. It's a rumor anyways, and we all know how "Next Gen" rumors have been as of late.
$300 dollars sounds reasonable, though we don't know much else about the console's capabilities, so we should take this with a grain of salt. If true, though, as long as there's a killer launch lineup, Nintendo could be in a pretty advantageous position for the 2012 holiday season.
I can't help but think that if this is true, at that price point it wont be the 6x better than the ps3 it was rumoured to be? I really do think it will other the graphics of a ps3/360 but with less power and the controller being the selling point that makes it different.
The graphics card within the Wii U is already confirmed to be stronger than the PS3 and 360 cards. Gearbox already said Aliens vs Pred will look best on Wii U how do you come to the conclusion it will have less power when devs working on games now say otherwise?
Devs are also saying that it will be less powerful. Nothing is official confirmed from Nintendo just hearsay from developers, so I draw my conclusion from the same pot your getting yours. Examples http://www.gamesindustry.bi... http://www.computerandvideo... http://www.bestgamesnetwork... That last link even mentions a response from Nintendo regarding power Rumours "We do not focus on technology specs," said a Nintendo spokesperson to Digital Trends. "We understand that people like to dissect graphics and processing power, but the experience of playing will always be more important than raw numbers."
Lol Aliens vs Predator. Very reliable information u got there. The majority of people in this comment section have been stroking Nintendo's sack ever since the WiiU was announced. Let's be honest people, the [email protected][email protected][email protected]
@Mr Cheese You gave us 3 sources: 1st: no name 2nd: no name 3rd: no name Now, you can search this on google: THQ: “WiiU is just a lot more powerful than current HD consoles it does 1080p very easy.” Epic: “It will do things current HD consoles simply can't do, it's going to be a powerful box.” Crytek: “WiiU devkits are very powerful,the specs are very good” Vigil Games: “We had the game at the same level as high end pc version in a matter of days and a few lines of code got the game up and running on tablet in 5 mins.” EA: “Wii U is not a transitional platform, it is a true next generation system.” Who should we believe?
Well Mr. Cheese at least I can put a face and a studio behind my claims. Yours are just echoed by unknown faceless developers.
@Mr_Cheese Funny how the anonymous sources claim it's a piece of crap, but the developers that can actually be quoted are gabbing about how powerful the thing is. Just saying.
$300 at absolute max and then ps4/nextbox at 400-450.
If we follow the rumored specs for both the xbox720 and PS4... then an average price of $500-$550 will be the cost for their next installment.
Unless both companies choose to sell at a loss.
Well, if nintendo will price it higher you will all say its overprice. Also, don;t expect a generation leap like Ps2 > Ps3/360 era again. Games would be prettier but all the power would go to AI and physics which gamers might not notice especially the borderline casual ones.
uk it will be £249 i would think and thats about $400, and if its a good bit more powerfull than current gen that would be ok because the ps3 was nearly £500 uk 6 years ago and it just shipped with the shit plain old boring sixaxis
Seems believable. But this would mean that Nintendo is making a $130 profit on each console? They can easily afford to lower the price to $250 once the consoles starts flopping. @Shackdaddy Mobile technology is considerably more expensive than console/pc tech.
Remember this is the cost for manufacturing only. The cost of shipping, boxes, manuals, research and development, taxes, etc will all eat into the profit.
$249.99 Plus Taxes sounds more reasonable tbh.
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The Wii U priced at $300 sounds reasonable, but if the Wii U hardware is manufactured with cheap components, than the Wii U might end up like the Wii. So On the contrary I hope this is not the case.
At least it won't red ring. I've heard next to no stories involving Nintendo products breaking.
well, that because Nintendo have been in the toy making industry for years. That said, a huge part of their success was to insure every product manufactured under their roof passes a stress test.
My launch Wii broke on it's two year anniversary :(
No powerful components doesnt mean cheap components. But you can call "cheap" an 360 with a RROD, or a PS3 with a YLOD. And all my Nintendo consoles (since the SNES) are still working.
well the reason for so many PROD/YLOD was in the design and not the components. That said, placement of CPU, bad heat sink connectors, and improper placement of fans could in fact cause any type of CPU/GPU to over heat. I guess I should of said weak instead of cheap.
I want to see the launch titles already
Hmmm.. let me take a wild guess! Mario,Zelda, and Donkey Kong remakes!
Um... aside from Zelda OoT 3D, what's the last remake they had from any of those franchises?
Only one Zelda title has ever been remade. Though there were Gamecube ports of Ocarina/Majora's Mask, and a port of Link to the Past for GBA. The only time a Mario remake was made was the SNES "Super Msrio Allstars." Donkey Kong has never been remade before.
@dcortz2027: funny how people bash Nintendo for utilizing their profitable franchises but to slander a company and then praise another for doing the exact same thing is just a pure hypocrisy! Nintendo has been in the gaming industry how much longer than Sony has? But yet Mario Kart is on its 7th iteration over the life of all of their consoles and Uncharted came out this generation and its on its 3rd version already. It wouldn't surprise me if we see a 4th game in the Uncharted series before ps4 is launched! So much for people throwing out the rehashing franchises over and over again, bashing only Nintendo for this and not the other companies as well
Wow how'd you know that????....oh nintendo@@@
How can we disagree with a fact :"I want to see the launch titles already" That's a fact. I do want to see, and yea since the DS to Wii There has been new Nintendo Franchises like: Trace Memory Nintendogs steel diver magical starsign wii titles pikmin custom robo battalion wars geist and a lot more
Here's the list so-far. There's gonna be a lot more announced come E3. http://en.wikipedia.org/wik...
@Clix Yeah but sony doesn't just repeat the same franchises generation after generation without creating new ones. Infamous, uncharted, motorstorm, heavy rain, resistance, little big planet ect all new ips for this generation. How many new real franchises has nintendo made this gen? Maybe the last story but not sure if nintendo even owns them. That is why people bash nintendo for over using their franchises you idiot, there is no hypocrisy. Just you being a fool and not thinking enough before you post. Mario kart is only on the seventh, too bad mario is in the hundreds already.