Tech innovation gets people excited, but it’s the software that really sells Nintendo consoles, argues CVG's John Dean
face it nintendo has ditched cutting edge tech a while back. I know from forums Nintendo fans are disappointed if this rumor is true but its a step up from wii and thats all Nintendo cares about. if you own a wii and a ps3 or 360 i could see them skipping the wii-u. The sad thing is wii-u will be in the same spot as the wii now and lose most 3rd party support. when next xbox and ps4 come using next gen engines(UE4) wii-u will be left in the dust again.
"The sad thing is wii-u will be in the same spot as the wii now and lose most 3rd party support. when next xbox and ps4 come using next gen engines(UE4) wii-u will be left in the dust again. " Exactly Nintendo don't seem to know where they are going with this, they want the core audience, then they want to keep the casual audience....for gods sake Nintendo it's one or the other. How are you guys suppose to get good third party support when developers will look at the Nextbox and PS4 and decide to focus on games for them instead. I don't want third party games to not achieve their true potential because the Wii U can't keep up. People keep saying "I'm not bothered" but fail to realise this is next gen consoles, it's supposed to be a least more powerful then current consoles. Do people really want a game to be dumbed down because it has to be made for the Wii U aswell, hey it might not happen but it's a thing to think about.
Nintendo consoles will never have a good amount of 3rd party support. There. I said it. It has been that way since the N64, and it hasn't changed, not even with the Wii. It doesn't matter if the WiiU is 10x more powerful than the PS3. Look at all the half-hearted crap that devs gave to the Wii while they spent the millions made on Just Dance and fitness games to fund PS3/360/PC AAA titles. Maybe it's a conspiracy. I don't know, but all I know is that you shouldn't buy a Nintendo console if you want the same sort of 3rd-party support that Sony and Microsoft get on their consoles.
it's simple. It's about being the cheapest console so they can have a bigger install base. Happen this gen too...PS3 was like $600 for the 60GB Xbox was $400 and Wii launched at $250. It's all about the price
You can only imagine what Next gen will be like.
Its a RUMOR! A frickinn RUMOR!!!! Facts /=/ rumors!!!! So we deny all the sources from NON ANONYMOUS DEVS like epic and crytic who praised the wii u hardware and come believe this, one, single rumor??? Wtf??? MOST of the early leaks predicts a chip from the radeon 4xxx series with multi core CPU which BLOWS THE PS3 OUT OF THE WATERRRR! Remember the rumors about how the 3ds is on par with the 360? Nothing is concrete till Nintendo rise the curtain of the wii u. Again, how the wii u is weaker when the OLD e3 2011 UNDERCLOCKED models were able to run that gorgeous Zelda demo, in FULL HD, IN 60 FRAMES PER SECOND!!!! That and its known that early tech demos doesn't show the console full potential.
I couldn't agree more. Voted Well Said
People think its true because its something bad about Nintendo
Bubbles for you sir
"Again, how the wii u is weaker when the OLD e3 2011 UNDERCLOCKED models were able to run that gorgeous Zelda demo, in FULL HD, IN 60 FRAMES PER SECOND!!!! That and its known that early tech demos doesn't show the console full potential" The ps3 was suppose to use 2 cells and 512 x ram with 256v ram but because of cost issues they where cut. If nintendo does it it will be because of cost issues. Remeber rumor is a rumor. If the Wii U is more powerful it'll be no surprise. If not still no surprise. And you do realise running a zelda game in HD at 60fps isn't that hard. Look at God of War 3. Both those games aren't very open world. and Zelda games never have tons of enemies on the screen at once either.
Going non-cutting-edge sure seemed to work out pretty well for the Wii and DS. And then going "cutting edge" (relatively speaking) with the 3DS led to a very rocky start for the handheld.
Nintendo will always, always, always have its loyal fans. Whether the WiiU is less powerful than the PS3 or less powerful than a PS1, it doesn't matter. Most Nintendo fans will still buy it.
as long as its producing quality games it wont even matter if its more or less powerful then ps3 or xbox 360. 3ds is less powerful then vita and destorying vita to bits. well so far 3ds has much better games leaving vita for catch up game with one or two games available so far. ds was less pwoerful then the psp, psp died long time ago while ds produced a libary of amazing games. wii was a upgraded ps2 again number 1 in this generation due to its innovation not power. plus it had great games too. however due to its power multiplatforms games were not ported or a few downgraded. if wii u is equal to ps3 and xbox 360 it will just make it easier for devs. but this will be a problem when ps4 and xbox 720 come out.
@StraightPath Disagrees aren't from Fanboys btw, just some stuff you said was oddly wrong. 3DS has been out much longer then the Vita, so it had better have some good games out. Myself being a Nintendo fan, I don't want an underpowered console, nor do I want a super powered one that will cost $500-$600 at launch, the goal I'd like to see is balance. If they make the Wii-U more powerful then the PS3, the PS4/720 is more powerful then the Wii-U, i'd be fine with this. If there's one thing Nintendo has learned from the 3DS launch is that non Hardcore fans won't buy it if it's too expensive. They will either launch the console and let the hardcore fans buy it first then price drop in time for christmas again, or they will pull a Wii and go cheap. Because of the sales of the 3DS, i think they just might pack in a little more power into the Wii-U, but I'm not buying it if it cannot support 4 Wii-U controllers... Nobody should have to "shotgun" on who gets to use the 1 Wii-U controller, kids will be fighting over who gets to use it. I'd like to be able to play something like Goldeneye with 4 Wii-U controllers thus nobody can look off of my screen, multiplayer this way would have new endless possibility's.
@Trunk Jr: I think what nintendo learned from the 3ds was not only do they need the right pricing but the need compelling software at launch and consistent amounts of it throughout the consoles lifespan. I think if the wiiu supports 2 wiipads that should be very compelling enough for developers to make some great games. And unlike most people believe, I think the gpu and cpu are powerful enough to stream and generate great grafics across the system and tablet controllers, that's not the issue. I think whether or not nintendo is willing to put enough fast RAM in this thing will determine what its truly capable of in the end
Neither do I. Don't give a s*it for visuals as long as they're pretty and contemporary... Only moronic fanboys get excited over minute details! Hope we see a WOW or StarCraft II for the Wii U!
Nintendo have a well know rep to march to the beat of their own drum, and create an experience that they feel will be healthy for gaming. Nintendo games are made with innovation and worldclass game design first. Not to harness the epic power of some super graphics chip. With Nintendo in house exclusive games on each Nintendo console. You can easily see the vision of gameplay over graphics unfold right before your very eyes. The Nintendo Wii U entertainment console will be no different. Superior graphics or not. The innovative industry leading tech will still break new ground and drive the industry forward. The Nintendo 3DS has proven it to be true and so will the Nintendo Wii U. Nintendo loyal fans that invest in Nintendo products will continue to be greatly rewarded with worldclass exclusive AAA content. Ever since the beginning of console gaming, the Nintendo experience has always set the bar very high for competing games and consoles. There is a golden standard in place that is very hard to match. From 2D, to 3D, to 120 frames per second in 4D.. The Nintendo exclusive experience will remain legendary. Rated E For Everyone
Just a note: Nintendo wasn't around at the beginning.
nintendo have been involved with console/handheld gaming since 1974,that is pretty much forever when you talk about gaming
@Hicken Maybe not, but Nintendo saved the home console market with the NES and changed the market as we know it.
Well this all VERY Speculative especially considering that the only sources that are saying the Wii-U is underpowered are un-named and unconfirmed..Major developers have already gone on RECORD praising the power of the Wii-U..sounds like B.S. to me.
Not to mention there are PS3/360 games currently being created for the Wii-U. If they were never inclined to downgrade the games for a Wii, then why start now. They already have 3rd party support so I really doubt it is actually true
I care if it is more expensive than a PS3 or 360. If it isn't then i'll still pick one up.
I'm sure it will be $250 and everyone will go "Oh next-gen for the same price as current consoles!" Then they'll either be oblivious or very disappointed that the power is the same as current consoles. I won't buy the WiiU because of the lack of everything but Nintendo's first party games.
you have to care to ask that question
"but it’s the software that really sells Nintendo consoles, argues CVG's John Dean" you mean the 4 first party titles a year and then a bunch of shovelware? yeah not falling for this again. already did with the wii.
was monster hunter tri shovelware? was arc fantasia? was shiren 3? was sin and punishment 2? it is no secret that the wii was the highest selling system this gen, it was priced cheaply and it was different, really the 360 and ps3 never had a chance...... @ BELOW nice spam there 100 million sales later and the highest software sales of any system say soemthing different. I can list another 20 games if..... The wii has the most third party exclusive support which is the only thing that matters when selling systems @koh sorry but its 100 percent that the wii u will outsell any other console by a considerable margin All you need is an affordable price, the best exclusives, and something unique, thats it.....
naming 4 games in 6 years doesnt strengthen your case to be honest. the fact that people are still delusional about the wii being a success (and im not talking about sales) is completely crazy to me. i can go out on a limb and say nintendo made more money than sony and microsoft and yet they still have no where near the 3rd party support. it was a huge disappointment, just because you stuck with it and never bought another console doesn't mean you have to sit here trying to defend it.
just nvm, unwinnable battle.
ok a majority of the sales came from people falling for the gimmick which are wii motion controls, I was one of them. and the sales of all those crappy games can be expained by people getting desperate because they don't have enough good games to choose from most 3rd party support? are you kidding?
"All you need is an affordable price, the best exclusives, and something unique, thats it....." yeah for brainless people like yourself. affordable = lowest price of the 3 best exclusives = smash bros and zelda something unique = gimmick controls that didn't do what they were supposed to do until the last two years of the consoles life. others like to play 1st, 2nd, and 3rd party games that are on up-to-date technology.
That is one of the greatest tragedies of the Wii. There are a pretty sizable amount of good games across a wide variety of genres. A few other "underdog" games that come to mind for the Wii are Fracture, Muramasa, Little King's Story, Rhythm Heaven, Fire Emblem, and now Xenoblade and Last Story.
But of course, Wii has the reputation of "LOL SHOVELWAREZ" and so most people don't search for the gems.
If you don't think a lot of consumers will think about the years their Wii spent in a closet when deciding whether or not to buy the Wii U, I think you are misguided. Trust me, I'll be sad when I can't play the new Mario Kart or Super Smash Brothers (hopefully a friend or 2 of mine will have deeper pockets than my own), but my suspicion is that it's just not going to be worth it for me.
Oh so you want a list? Will since n4g crowd are obsessed with lists, here you go: Metroid prime corruption. Legend of Zelda twilight princess. Mario galaxy 1 No more heroes 2 (2 is exclusive) The last story. Xenoblade chronicles. Donkey Kong country return. Super smash bros brawl. Zack and wiki Pandora's tower. Skyward sword. Super paper Mario. Madworld Wario ware. Rhythm heaven fever. Sin and punishment. Kirby's epic yarn. Punch out. Tastunoko vs capcom. Mario kart. Well, that's a little bit more than four games, am I right? And before someone says "hurr durr you are felling the list with crap games" Well no, all the games that I have mentioned are above 80+ on metacritic. "best exclusives = smash bros and zelda" Are you mocking those games? Legend of Zelda? One of the top franchises of all time? Which all it main games got over 93+ with ocarina of time holding the title according to the majority of gaming community as the best game of all time? Or how about smash brawl? The the game that had more content than street fighter iv, tekken 6 and mvc 3 combined! Nintendo sure dropped the ball with hardware and third party support, but their first party games are top notch! One that rivals even the ps3 exclusives imo and the opinion of all the people, reviewers who praised Nintendo exclusives.
how fanboys defend that system is beyond me. I was a first day adopter and sold mine a year later while it still had value. For every one decent - good game there were 80 shovelware titles. You people are so backwards to defend the wii. I loved my n64, snes to death but be real the wii sucked. I'm hoping for the best with the Wii U but I'll save judgement until E3 and a couple of months after the wii u's release. I won't fall for the same trick twice.
@ Stinky_Fish It's not only about the number of hardware sales but also about how satisfied the consumers with their purchase are. And there are many people being very disappointed with the wii and those casuals will probably never buy a consle again :(
Like the 360 and PS3 don't have their own shovelware. Dare I bring up Kinect (and Microsoft continued focus on it) and Move? The Wii had good games. And it was a vastly cheaper console. The lack of graphical power is irrelevant at that point. If you didn't like it then you probably were not the target audience.
I'm going to have to predict that it's going to be an uphill battle for Nintendo to get the Wii U to fly off the shelves like Wii did.
is the 3ds having trouble with that after the ds?
So you're predicting people will be able to buy the WiiU for $100 less within a year of launch? I only ask because you compared it to a handheld platform that was failing to gain market penetration until the price was dropped by 33%. EDIT @below: I didn't "conveniently" forget the PS3 had a price drop, (which was over 8 months after launch, twice as long as the 3DS price cut in 4 months). The PS3 has nothing to do with my post or your post that I replied to. Should I also bring up price cuts for the Dreamcast? It's no secret that the 3DS sold horribly pre-price cut. I'm pleased with it's success after, but it wouldn't bode well for the WiiU to follow the same path (minimal interest at launch followed by a massive price drop). Enjoy your day.
So by failing to gain market penetration you mean either first or second in japan since launch, and number 3 worldwide? Now its number one. Are you conveniently forgetting the ps3 had a price drop after the first week, and the ds also had a major price cut as do most systems. The 3ds is curbstomping the competition, no reason to think this wont
Isn't Wii U a home console? Why are you comparing it with handhelds? It's not like there is a lot of competition in the handheld market compared to home consoles right? I'm basing my assumption on the fact that it's extremely lucky to get to the point where you are desired by the mainstream media and soccer moms and such even once. For Nintendo to do it twice in a row with a home console would be out of this world like lucky. If they get the price sub 250 usd they might have a chance to be a great success with Wii U but it will never be the same as it was with the Wii. I seriously doubt that. Just like you yourself said there above: " it is no secret that the wii was the highest selling system this gen, it was priced cheaply and it was different, really the 360 and ps3 never had a chance...... " What are the chances of this happening again? Wii U might be different but is the mainstream going to pick up on that or not? Are you SURE? It's pure luck plain and simple.
Oh, back on topic of your reply about market penetration. By market penetration I didn't mean 3rd worldwide, which the 3DS was not pre-price cut. I meant 6th. As in dead last. As in during the twelve weeks before the 3DS got a price drop (3 months), the 3DS was the lowest selling platform every week except one when it beat the Wii by a whopping 243 units. Before its price cut, the 3DS was selling about 90,000 units/week. I'm not saying that's miles worse than other platforms. I'm not saying no one could turn that around (Nintendo clearly did). All I'm doing is pointing out that Nintendo doesn't want to repeat the first 4 months of the 3DS. I doubt they want the WiiU to sell 90,000 units/week and then drop the price of the WiiU early in order to gain consumer interest.
Third party developers care. I don't know if everyone read that article a few days back about what devs want in their next gen consoles, but raw processing power was on pretty much everyone's list. Epic, DICE, Crytek, Ubisoft, etc. I've said it before: technical limitations will cause 3rd party developers to shift their attention away from Nintendo. They're not going to want to give up any ground they make with next gen engines, so as soon as they begin to make games for the PS4/Orbis and the Xbox Next/720/Durango the WiiU will gradually lose support. It's going to be the Wii all over again. That may not matter to Nintendo, but it should matter to the people who want to play games from Epic, Rockstar, Irrational, Rocksteady, Bathesda, Bioware, Valve, DICE, Crytek, Ubisoft, etc.
I care you can't call it a next gen system if it is using last gen graphics. The Wii is a good console but has too much shovelware on it. Too me Nintendo will get left out in the dark when PS4 and Xbox720 come out. Those systems will have better graphics and better visuals with the games which developers will try and push the console to look great. I am still getting a Wii-U day one only time will tell how the console will do. I just hope Nintendo will get a bit tougher on shovels are because some of those games are not worth playing
This article is pointless because graphics do matters, especially now that Nintendo has announced that their next gen console was specifically designed to attract core gamers. And if the rumor are true, the Wii U will end up like the Sega dreamcast scenario.
Sega lost tons of money due to bad marketing and money losses on ever console since the Genesis. How the hell are Nintendo going to follow suit if their business practice is almost entirely the opposite?
Nintendo consoles do not have "tech innovation." They have gimmicks that never pan out the way they hype it up at the outset. DS - second touch screen? Glorified inventory/map screen. Wii - motion sensing? waggle-fest. 3DS - incredible 3D? LOL WiiU - tablet controller? glorified inventory/map screen. All of those "innovations" coupled with an extremely high price tag using those "innovations" as an excuse when the actual hardware is piss poor. But none of that really matters because Nintendo is approaching Apple levels of brainwashing. Oh, remind me again which games were the most popular and well-made for those pieces of hardware? Yep, nintendo first party titles that didn't use any of the "innovations." So why do people keep buying into the hype? Boggles the mind. Just boggles.
Really i'm inpressed with your failed logic. ( are you drooling on yourself )
dude there ain't no brain washing no nothing you're just a fanboy, bitter but true
Yup, the biggest Nintendo first party hits didn't use any of these innovations. Skyward Sword and Metroid Prime 3 had no motion controls? 3d effect adds nothing to Super Mario 3d land or Kid Icarus Uprising? The massive amounts of RPG's and FPS games released for the DS completely abandoned the ease of access and fluid controls of a touch screen? These are all innovations, and although it may pain you to hear this, its what really drives the game industry forward. Touchscreens and motion controls are just as important as top notch engines and smarter AI. All of this is needed for the future of gaming.
Dude, if the WiiU has the same processing power, even the same gpu as a 360 then it will be fine. All the WiiU needs to get ahead of the pack is a couple gigs of RAM and it will play any game in what most pc gamers say, on medium settings, which is still phenomenal. It's really all I want.
I didn't post on that rumor article yesterday because it was pointless. The WiiU will be stronger then any consul currently on the market and nintendo will have a good year and a half jump on it rivals. When the PS4 and new xbox drop the'll have the edge but with the way the economy is don't expect a jesus consul because i'd bet the house that don't happen. Nintendo has never compared themselves too the other too and nintendo never flonts whats under the hood of there consuls. I do most on my gameing on the PS3 but i still love halo and i still think zelda and mario are the best. Point is play the great games and the hell with which consul it's on.
Lol. People are actually believing that rumor? That's funny.
People have to remember that Nintendo will do what they can to keep the cost down for the wii u. If it means cutting the graphic down to give us great games to play then Nintendo will do it. I don't care for graphic anyway all i want is great games, and a solid game play with all my games. i just hope that the wii u online is a beast this time around, and not crappy like the wii online was. Even if it a rumor or not i just want great games, better online, and a solid game play on the wii u.
all these fanboys who say the got caught out with the wii and are not falling for that again must be stupid.the wii was sold as a standard def console no bulshit about full hd like two "full hd" consoles i could mention,the wii remote was it's major selling point so why the surprise.nintendo decided not to impliment hd because 90% of homes still had a sd t.v and it kept costs down.if it wasn't for nintendo we wouldn't have 80 million casual gamers who will support the industry for the foreseeable future.they always had the most powerful console up to the wii,they have buckets of cash reserves and tech has never been cheaper.all these rumors are bulshit just sites looking for hits to get their advertising revenues up.i've said it before ps1/2 started all the shovelware industry 7000 plus games and how many are standout AAA games,a couple of hundred max,shovelware is what keeps companies in business simple as.the wii u will be better then current gen by how much we'll find out in june
This article shows the insecurities of fanboys.
it doesn't matter, to each his own. Regardless, I don't see anything giving us the value of PC's next gen, not even PS Orbis. PC's allow Devs to create the Next Gen almost whenever they are ready, not when the a big corporation is ready, by PC's constantly being upgradable. We already see this happening now. Unless one of these consoles are upgradable Next Gen, I'm exclusively PC. Forget handicapping devs, and holding the industry back. PC baby!
Of course Nintendo does not care if the Wii-U is less powerful than the Atari 2600 the system is still going to sell cause of the software. It is the Nintendo games that will be the reason the Wii-U succeeds or fails. For some reason the past few gens the relationship between Nintendo & 3rd Parties have soured cause of this 'under developed' hardware path Nintendo has choosen. Though with the Wii-U they are trying to cater to 3rd parties but this new rumor is kinda unsettling for that relationship to get stronger.
they might aswell celotape the innards of an atari into a shoe box and sold that instead then.
That is pretty funny! All i am saying is Nintendo always does it their own way & do not follow the path the industry is headed. They have always paved the path on their own. They usually release a so called 'weaker' platform cause they know it is the software that is the source for all the revenue in the game industry. Nintendo has their Nintendo games that they can always rely on to make money for them. They use to have great 3rd party support during the NES & SNES era but for some reason their consoles have lost that relationship. Their handhelds on the other hand get massive support from 3rd parties.
i dont think nintendo set out to make weaker consoles on purpose, but they can be cheapskates at times and i think they have got to used to behaving like this. I get what your saying tho nintendo likes to do it their own way, giving no quarters. still this is only a rumour.
Once again only idiots or fanboys of consoles that oppose nintendo actually beleave this rumor.
Well the Wii U will do HD, which is fine by me. Been wanting to play Mario, Zelda, Pikmen, Starfox and Metroid in HD for a long time now. Fact is, the console that sports the most power never wins the console race. Nintendo knows what they are doing, the fact is everyone copies what they do for a reason, motion controls, smash brothers games, kart games, touch screen handhelds, connectivity between handheld and console ect... I think people will be surprised at the low price of the WIi U and jump on board, its Nintendo after all.
if it isnt gonna be as powerful as the PS3/360 then what was the point, they should have made the touch pad an add on for the Wii and kept making new games for that?
here again to sum things up for the lazy peeps. Rumour-mill has once again gone wrong on N4G, now we have the same old BS going around. Fanboys up in arms agaisn't nintendo's WiiU... Seriously if they changed the name to some other shyt I swear ppl would be like " oh man a new system from Nintendo, aimed at the hardcore... make us forget about that crap called Wii" But since the name is there, instantly it's going to have the bitter taste in their mouths. These type of articles are really easy prey for fans
nintendo cared in the past. They cared that the Snes was more powerful than the sega master system. They cared that the N64 was powerful than the genesis. They cared that the gamecube was more powerful than ps1.
If it's not then its not getting my money.
I love how he's stating this as if it was fact.......it was a random "anonymous dev" that we can all agree sounded like fake made up BS.
People are still talking about this lame excuse for an April Fools joke? THQ: "WiiU is just alot more powerful than current HD consoles it does 1080p very easy." Crytek: "WiiU devkits are very powerful,the specs are very good" Vigil Games: "We had the game at the same level as high end pc version in a matter of days and a few lines of code got the game up and running on tablet in 5 mins." Epic: "It will do things current HD consoles simply cant do its going to be a powerful box."