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Wii U less powerful than PS3, Xbox 360, developers say

Nintendo's upcoming Wii U console may generate full HD graphics, but it's not up to the graphics power of the Xbox 360 or the PS3, according to developers familiar with the hardware who spoke on a condition of anonymity to GamesIndustry International.

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GraveLord2387d ago (Edited 2387d ago )

It will be roughly on par. Whether its a little lower or a little over, doesn't matter.

@Logic
I guess I made some enemies so that explains the disagrees.

Akuma-2387d ago (Edited 2387d ago )

Nintendo have already unveiled the console so the secrecy that creates speculations is a bit silly. The system will be releasing later on in 2012 so Nintendo should just preview the launch games now .

I will get the wii u since I Like video games a lot but I'm waiting for the next xbox and ps4

Abash2387d ago

Then I guess the tech demos at E3 2011 must have been phonier and a bigger sham than Kinect's Milo

Angainor72387d ago

@ Abash however will not surpass the fiasco with ps3 tech demos in 2005...

Emilio_Estevez2387d ago

@abash

Said tech demos were of PS3/360 footage
http://www.destructoid.com/...

WrAiTh Sp3cTr32387d ago

Those weren't quotes from devs, they were the words of the janitor's, lol.

ABizzel12387d ago (Edited 2387d ago )

If this is true, and it cost over $299, I'm not buying the Wii U until:

1) The price drops to a more reasonable $199 - $299

and

2) There is a large enough library of games for me to even consider the purchase.

The Wii has a huge library of games, and of them I only truly want 5 - 10 and it's been out for going on 6 years. If the Wii U falls in the same steps as the Wii did, this may be the first time I ever pass on a Nintendo console, and stick with PlayStation and Xbox.

I'm not going to pay for another console that cost more than the ones I have, and is only graphically on par with them meaning most of it's games will be the same 3rd party releases. I love Zelda to death, but that alone will not make me buy a Nintendo console.

ProjectVulcan2387d ago (Edited 2387d ago )

The mysterious source, who could not be named, or identified in the slightest or even hinted who he/she has worked for or what experience they have or what organisation they are in.

Yawn. This could be totally fabricated for hits for all we know.

Lets just wait until we know the finalised specs.

shackdaddy2387d ago

@DrStabwounds He was talking about the japanese garden, Zelda demo, and Tokyo demo which were on the wiiu. Tech demo =\= game footage.

sikbeta2387d ago

S*** doesn't make sense, why using the equivalent of 8 years old tech to begin with it!? are they crazy!

Spydiggity2387d ago (Edited 2387d ago )

Akuma, your comment ("I will get the wii u since I Like video games a lot but I'm waiting for the next xbox and ps4") makes absolutely no sense.

if you're getting the wii u, then you aren't waiting. if you're gonna negate a sentence within the same sentence, then just omit it.

as for the Wii U: looks like nintendo will be jump starting the next generation...by being a generation behind. brilliant. I'll still buy it though, cuz i'm sure there will be plenty of idiots ready to pay 3x on ebay.

NewMonday2387d ago (Edited 2387d ago )

"There aren't as many shaders, it's not as capable. Sure, some things are better, mostly as a result of it being a more modern design. But overall the Wii U just can't quite keep up."

a big mistake for Nintendo to become the last of the current generation. they should have become the 1st of the next.

as it is mostly HC Nintendo fans will get this, owners of a 360 or PS3 will not, especially that the next gen will launch in 2013, just 1 year after the WiiU

meganick2387d ago

This would be really bad for Nintendo if it ends up being true.
If in fact the cost of including the tablet controller forces Nintendo to reduce the Wii U's power below PS3 and 360, then I would encourage Nintendo to sell the tablet controller separately and instead package the Wii U with a cheaper alternative so they can afford to boost the system's power level above PS3 and 360.

andibandit2387d ago

@Abash

i was wondering if you've seen any

GIANT ENEMY CRAB

?

gaffyh2387d ago

If it is not more powerful, even slightly, what is the point? This is a console that is supposed to attract core gamers, which won't happen if the PS3 and 360 still have better looking and playing games.

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LOGICWINS2387d ago (Edited 2387d ago )

@Grave Lord- Whats with your disagrees? Your right. It doesn't matter.

The DS wasn't more powerful than the PSP, yet who won that battle?

The Wii wasn't nearly as powerful as the PS3/360, yet the Wii is currently in more homes than the PS3/360.

Nintendo is simply repeating what they've been doing for the past couple of years.

firelogic2387d ago

Sure the wii is in more homes than the ps360 but that doesn't mean anything to someone who actually likes to play games instead of whine about things outside of their control on gaming boards.

The wii has the worst game library I've ever seen. If you take out the handful of first party titles, what does it have? Nothing.

You say power doesn't matter? Well neither do sales (to a gamer).

Tommykrem2387d ago

Yeah, but the DS was more powerful than... well it would have been, hadd the gameboy SP had competition. Power does matter to a lot of people, and I to me it sounds strange that they're not trying to at least up the current generation with all the technological advances we've had the last five years, but maybe it's not THAT a big a deal, and it'll be all right anyway.

mcstorm2387d ago

Logic i agree with you here. People keep talking about power and i dont know why every gen from the psx to this gen the lest powerful console has sold the most. Its been the same in the handheld market too.

Yes its nice having amazing graphics but that is not what makes a game good. I remember waiting for rise of the robots to come out on my amiga 32 as it was going to be the best looking game ever but when i got the game it was a mess.

To me its all about enjoyment i play a game because of how it makes me feel when im playing it not because it looks amazing.

Look at the best selling games this gen mario kart mario galaxy halo 3 cod ect they are not the best looking games but they play well and that is what makes people buy them.

It has always been this way and always will be just because a console has better looking games than the other consoles dose not mean it is the best selling.

I cant wait to get my hands on a wiiu as it looks an interesting console but i also think next gen will be an interesting one as nintendo sony and ms are going in different directions and to me that is a good thing as it gives a reason to own all 3 home consoles and both handheld as they offer different experiences.

portugamer2387d ago

All the people I know bought a Wii.many have modded, and never played it again. Many left it untouched.

Just like the iPhone, people were buying wii s because... Well, everybody was buying a Wii, without knowing why. The result is millions of plastic boxes, people lost the cables, nunchuks, etc.

Nintendo may release a console with a Motorola 68000, like the one used on the genesis/megadrive, as long as they make:
- monster game
- pokemon game
- Zelda game
- Mario kart game
- super Mario milky way game

Japanese will run like flies, and will buy the console, 10 pokemon games(green carpet blue jacket version, super plastic titanium pink steel version, ultra nanotextured poly silver uranium platted version, green fusion hyper mobile magnesium copper version, master yellow white dotted siliconed gold version, miso-carbon-dust free auto guided armored super blu orbit version, incredible sushitator shortunit mega cold light lime extended version).

With these 5 games, and a few other remakes of the remakes of the remakes of the great brain developer game, where you learn how to cook an egg, using a over powered nunchuk, Nintendo already sold 10 million Wii u, in japan, in a couple of months.

Then, you will buy a nice white cable, that your cat ate, the cable will only cost 39$, a friendly price, for U and WII.

I know its good for all the consumers, if there are many manufacturers, so the prices fall down and we have more content.

But since Nintendo keep betting on their chance, with underpowered consoles, with a couple of nice games, and thousands of remakes, milked over and over, since they don't try to innovate with new franchises, and prefer releasing new marios over and over, all they want is release a cheap console, where they can make millions day one, well, honestly, if they sell badly and. Lose billions, they will get what they deserve.

We're in 2012, 3d is here, 4k is coming, people have full hd TVs and nice broadband connections, and mister nintendo, all he wants is manufacture a console, with old hardware, that will cost them 100$ max, so they can make 150 or 200$ cash, on every sold console, without caring about quality or hd or tech or whatever.

I saw a Wii u game, where one guy was bolding a new gamepad, and 2 other were playing with normal pads, they had to kill each other, in a small arena. Once again, you have 3 color gradients on the screen, 3 flat textures, awful mees, all that at 1080p?

Wow, that's a perfect use of a 1080p capable device? Or its was just one of the 1000 games that will all look the same, with the same color schemes, the same textures, or no textures at all, only gradients, big faces with big eyes,etc etc, served 30 times in 3 years.

Well, Nintendo, as the time goes buy, I'm even less interested in your products. Your politics remind me apple, which I hate. Milk,milk,milk.

Iwould like to see an uncharted like game, a great gt5.like game, etc.
But instead, we will have many games,where we don't control nothing, and just move the nunchuk to perform something.
If I play a tennis game, I want to MOVE my character, and I want to bit the ball as I want. If all I can do is moving my arm, its not fun.

/sarcastic mode on

While people play with the Wii, the moves create some fresh waves, and dust goes away from the Kinect.
While people play with Kinect, the dust goes away from the Wii.
And the PlayStation move, you will say?

Well, when people play with the move, the flies and mosquitoes inside the Wii and x360 are attracted by the move's glowing ball ;)

/sarcastic

Wii U. Another system will bite the dust ?

Freshnikes2387d ago

Logicfails is a troll !!! I seen this guy troll mad articles! And what does winning and losing have to do with real gamers, that are on n4g. Not casuals that bought the wii for their grandma grandpa and grandson lol. Dude this is a gaming website for gamers! And most real gamers own a Xbox or ps3 and won't pay for wii u or wii a or wii z! They will wait for the next gen console!!! Stop trolling wii f will sell to casuals like every other Nintendo product!! But this is a gaming site! Take ur trolling to toys'r us site or Walmart! U troll

sikbeta2387d ago

News for you, tablets is OK, but Apple has the hearts and minds of the casuals right now, this will just make the general public compare Wii-U with I-devices and by that pretty much pointing out that tablet is not as innovative as the wii-mote and motion-controls

ziggurcat2387d ago

don't kid yourself, logic, graphics do matter, and having a more powerful system means better, more versatile games.

the wii was also in many more homes than the X360/PS3 because it was considerably cheaper, and catered more towards the casual market.

and you're right - nintendo is certainly repeating what they've done: remaining a full step behind the competition in terms of tech. they're about 7 years too late getting into the HD market and they'll be another 7 years too late once the next PS and xbox are out.

i guess the good thing is that at least nintendo enthusiasts will be able to play something that's higher than 480p...

THILLREBORN2386d ago

@MCStorm
The comment about the weakest console selling the best is not true...the dreamcast says hi.

What it breaks down to is when the console comes out, low price point, marketing, consumer perception and strong exclusives...and that could be games or services.

Wii had marketing and a favorible consumer perception due to the promise of unique gameplay.

3DS is doing extremely well due to the 3D, low price point and a handful of strong first party exclusives.

PS2 did well because marketing, favorible consumer percetion due to strong ties to success of the PS1 and an insane gaming library. Marketing campaign was ahead of all of it's competition.

360 is doing well in NA due to crazy high marketing campaign. XBL coupled with a headset with each console sold builds a community and in NA social applications are huge.

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VanillaBear2387d ago (Edited 2387d ago )

"Whether its a little lower or a little over, doesn't matter."

Well yeah it does

It's a NEXT gen console, it's supposed to be more powerful then current consoles. Whether or not it's more powerful then the PS4/Nextbox is another story

I'd rather they focus on a powerful console then gimmicks again, Nintendo have got to stop living in the past, the casual audience days are coming to an end....thats what happens with that audience, once the "wow" is gone they loose interest.

LOGICWINS2387d ago

"It's a NEXT gen console, it's supposed to be more powerful then current consoles."

Your right, the Wii U is more powerful than the Wii...just like the Wii was twice as powerful than the Gamecube.

VanillaBear2387d ago

You know what I mean LOGIC, I meant more powerful then the consoles in the last gen. For example the Gamecube was more powerful then the N64 and the PS1, the N64/PS1 were more powerful then the SNES and the Sega Megadrive.

Whats the point of a new generation of consoles if one of them feel more like a small upgrade and barley touch the powerful consoles of the gen beforehand. Were supposed to be moving forward, not staying behind because were cheap.

CaptainMarvelQ82387d ago

Next gen doesn't have to be about graphics and powerhouse specs.Interactivity and creativity is also key

Why is the Wii consider as current gen then when it has almost PS2-like graphics? Because of the introduction of motion based gaming.

Now I don't really support motion controls or even want them to be part of Next gens gaming,but just trying to say that Next gen doesn't necessarily mean update in graphics.

Hell,I'd even consider the current generation a step backwards,games are becoming less focused on the actual gameplay and story and more focused on graphics that only dazzle the eye.

Pacman3212387d ago

I agree with Logic here, the WiiU does not have to have better graphics to be successful. Nintendo have always been about innovation, and I'm sure WiiU will be just as or even more successful than the Wii.

NiKK_4192387d ago

Graphics aren't the only difference that you can achieve with more powerful internals. Physics are improved, AI is improved. The hardware changes EVERYTHING. You can have more advanced motion tracking because the CPU is what processes the algorithms required to do the tracking. It's not only about graphics, it's about what the developers can do with the added power.

It's all about being futureproof and I don't think the Wii U will be futureproof at all.

VanillaBear2387d ago

May I just point out because of some of the comments above mentioning Graphics......erm........when did I mention Graphics

I just said it needed to be more powerful then current consoles.

Nothing about just graphics

AJBACK2FRAG2387d ago

portugamer,
Some of the things you say may ring true but keep in mind Nintendo is in first place. Lol miles past the competition. Why? Because they make the best games in the world.

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dark-hollow2387d ago (Edited 2387d ago )

I love how every negative wii u rumor is taken as a fact.
Especially when Nintendo ADMITTED their mistake by making the wii behind the pack which leads to less third party support.

"condition of anonymity to GamesIndustry International"

In other words, bullshit.

AWBrawler2387d ago

Yeah, Everyone seems too eager to accept the negative but none of the positive on Wii U. Heck even the very early build of Killer alien Freaks by Ubisoft, showed that the graphics are better than some 360 games.

But again I don't care about graphics, and even if d if if by some strange miracle it's weaker than 360/PS3, I'll just use that to be a douche online and troll all the doomsayers when it sells like hotcakes. :-)

BattleTorn2387d ago

I think I figured out why GraveLord got so many disagrees.

I think people thought he was saying the hardwares power "doesnt matter"

When I presumed he meant that whether it's a little more, or a little less powerful than last gen "doesn't matter" since that is very underpowered for next-gen, either way.

Sano642387d ago

I call bull on this one. Make the claim without hiding behind anonymity so people will take you seriously

bayport2387d ago

I don't believe this article to be true.

OmegaSlayer2387d ago

I would LOL so much if it is true.
For now I just shrug and say it's a silly rumor.

Blackdeath_6632387d ago

lolz what have you been smoking and what delusional world do you live in. nintendo are playing catch up and they are quite far behind. by the time intendo become "on par" with the ps3 and xbox360 the ps4 and 720 will have already been released.

gedapeleda2387d ago

What sony does nintendon't.

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Akuma-2387d ago (Edited 2387d ago )

I know they are waiting for e3 but Nintendo should just show games and do previews of the wii u now

I don't think the specs matters a lot to the fans of Nintendo but its a bit of a let down for the specs to be close to this gen hd consoles.

LOGICWINS2387d ago

Obvs. Why would Nintendo waste R&D money to make the Wii U more powerful than the PS3/360 when they know that their fanbase doesn't care? If a gaming machine's success relied solely on power, then you'd see gamers lining up in Times Square every year to buy a new graphics card for their PC.

SephirothX212387d ago (Edited 2387d ago )

I agree with you. The Wii U's power won't be a huge factor but its controller, like the Wii's, will be the making or breaking of it.

hano2387d ago

I think the strategy is even more important than that.

Any console Nintendo sells at this point will find its market.
The key for Nintendo this time, is to not alienate 3rd party developers and its hardcore base. And listen to the demands of its fans, including strong multiplayer support...etc.

GenHero2387d ago

they are trying to get 3rd party support. how are they suppose to achieve that with something weaker than current gen?

firelogic2387d ago

Exactly. Developers are going to be making games for the next ps/xbox. WiiU is already dead in the water in terms of 3rd party support.

*Waits while ppl throw out games that are being ported to wiiu*

And when even those ports don't sell (which they clearly won't), 3rd party support will dry up again for quality titles.

yabhero2387d ago

Waste R&D money? PS3 and 360 are so old, Nintendo could make a console with 200 hundred dollar in specs plus 150 in more for a total of 350 that is 4.8 times more powerful than PS3.

dark-hollow2387d ago (Edited 2387d ago )

God forbid Nintendo for making ONE CONSOLE! Only one console in HISTORY that is very weak and now they are known for weak hardware?

Don't tell Me about Ds& 3ds!
Those are handheld, a market which doesn't necessarley aim for ultimate power.

Nintendo said that the problem with the wii is that its very weak that ps3/360 games can't scale back to run on it and thus the weak third party support.

It doesn't matter if the wii u is the weakest of the next Gen as long as the gap between the other two consoles is not big.
Much like the gap between ps2 & the Xbox.

SleazyChimp2387d ago

1) The first xbox was far more powerful than the Ps2.

2) Have you seen the Samaritan video? That's what the next Box/Ps4 are gonna be like. It makes Uncharted and Gears look like a Wii game. If the Wiiu can't beat those two games now, what chance does have against the future?

FredEffinChopin2387d ago

That works both ways. Nintendo made one console with wacky controllers and now everybody acts like they're the mothers of innovation.

As you say, it won't necessarily make a big difference if the Wii-U is only the weakest of the next gen by a small margin. If it's the weakest of THIS gen though, then Nintendo will be in the same sinking boat they are in with the Wii at the moment.

limewax2386d ago

Sorry but next gen games are not going to look like Samaritan, that is at least another gen away. If we were to get games that looked like Samaritan the dev costs along with costs of consoles would be through the roof.

Samaritan at the times was running on 9Gb of VRAM, Apparently it could be optimised to fit onto 3. That was running on 3 cards with a value of $600 dollars each, that is not what next gen will be, Nor will it be 1 card with 3Gb of ram.

We will be lucky if we even get 1.5Gb of VRAM

ChickenOfTheCaveMan2387d ago (Edited 2387d ago )

Maybe because they say they would reach back to core gamers, but they won't be able to that with a new console with 6 years old graphics.

Yeah!!
-Mario Galaxy 3, 4, 5
-Mario quidditch or some other sports they didn't do yet(don't know, maybe they already did quidditch)
-A couple of 20 years remakes(fingers crossed for Dr Chaos :P)

You know, core gamers' games!!

Drekken2387d ago

So basically Nintendo has doomed us to be held to this gen console graphics on multiplat games. THANKS NINTENDO!!!!

PS3 has dealt with it all this gen with the 360 to some degree. Granted the 360 is a lot closer in power than the WiiU is going to be to the next xbox/ps. DVD has been a big factor.

So now here comes Nintendo ruining the excitement for next gen by holding us back.

FredEffinChopin2387d ago

If their fanbase didn't care then why would they make a new console at all? You've been championing the idea of not-caring about hardware throughout this thread, and the whole time conveniently ignoring the fact that Nintendo have been forced to come out with a new console first because their hardware is dated. They've been making sure to let gamers know that they care about what we want now (crawling back to us, the game-buyers, as I see it), and making sure that we all know it's HD.

You can sit here and talk about how hardware doesn't matter until you're blue in the face, but Nintendo has already made it clear that they don't exactly feel the same way. And so has the entire game industry, otherwise we'd all be playing our 8-bit consoles still.

BlaqMagiq242386d ago

Fanbase? What fanbase? You mean the 2% that still exists that's made up of people's mom and grandparents? Oh yeah that's real successful. Yes, people do care about power nowadays and if the Wii U doesn't have it how will that attract people? The tablet controller is a new innovation, but so was the Wii itself when it came out and how many people still play it today? 2% like I said. Nintendo is constantly losing money because no one except Nintendo themselves wants to make games on an underpowered console which is why it has a lackluster library, which it turn, turns away customers. Yeah Nintendo needs to spend that extra money to catch up with the times.

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PixL2387d ago

I'm not surprised, nor interested.