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Mass Effect 3: The ‘Indoctrination Theory’ and how it insults gamers

There is a growing amount of speculation on the "Indoctrination Theory" regarding Mass Effect 3's ending. If the theory is correct you shouldn't be happy. Here's why.

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moegooner881545d ago (Edited 1545d ago )

Article doesn't anything new or relevant, and the crucible never fires in reality, Shepard is shown at the end in the rubble of London, not the citadel.

zgoldenlionz1545d ago

Moments before the ending Shepard fought off indoctrination to connect crucible to the citadel remember the black smokey lines coming from the edge of the screen? Well if that black stuff represented his mind being taken over where was it during the ending? He just fought that off moments earlier why would he be indoctrinated now? Think about it people. And everyone stop whining everyone got hundreds of hours of fun regardless if you like the ending or not.

limewax1544d ago (Edited 1544d ago )

I didn't, I received an overall sub-par experience compared to the previous 2, so speak for yourself. I can make my own opinion.

I would list what I found disappointing but all these things have been pointed out a thousand times

zgoldenlionz1544d ago (Edited 1544d ago )

@limewax speak for my self? Who else would I be speaking for?

Nimblest-Assassin1545d ago (Edited 1545d ago )

Article seems like a nerd rant by one of the few people who just want the ending flatout changed... it is not an insult if the indoctrination theory is legitimate, hell most people on the social network want this theory to be true now.

It would actually be a really great twist as all 3 games were leading to that ending as the video entails.

Hell the fans are the most excited for this ending, because it makes us feel that Bioware didn't just drop the ball at the end.

Its actually good writing, because you get excited as you uncover more and more evidence that supports the theory.

We keep adding to this theory, and it excites us as players.

Calling the indoc theory lazy is not true in the slightest because you have to think about this

1)Don't you find it weird that a studio that developed this rich lore and had everything proved to the most finite detail, suddenly drop the ball at the moment where it mattered the most?

2) Fans worked hard to find this evidence, and Bioware must have kept these things hidden in order for the player to get an idea of the bigger picture.

This dude is one of the boycott Bioware guys, whom will never be satisfied.

I only agree with the fact that if we have to pay for the conclusion I will be outright pissed of.

The author sounds like the thing Mega64 parodied on friday:
http://www.gametrailers.com...

Imalwaysright1544d ago

"Bioware didn't just drop the ball at the end." Yes they did. Everything you've done on the 3 games was absolutely for nothing. Every choice youve made in the end was meaningless. Bioware dropped the ball just because of this fact. Besides this indoctrination theory is nothing more than fans trying to give meaning to an ending full of plotholes and that doesnt make any sense. People are just grasping at straws. No one knows for sure. IF in fact the indoctrination theory is right it doesnt give closure to the trilogy at all ,wich means that you will most likely have to pay for the real ending.

Nimblest-Assassin1544d ago

@Imalwaysright

Well don't you find it strange they dropped the ball at the moment it mattered the most?

Thats what confuses me, and thats why I believe in indoc.

No one, could f**k up that bad unless it was intentional

OmegaSlayer1545d ago

Many, like the reviewer, didn't understand that Shepard never moved from London and everything happened in his mind while he was unconscious. Bah...

You might like it or not, but it's there.

TheSleepyGamer1544d ago

The writer did understand and mention that if the theory holds true then everything after being hit by Harbinger's beam was an illusion.

Maybe read it all before commenting?

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NewZealander1544d ago

the indoctrination theory fails on many levels, if it wasn't real then how come it shows the Normandy crash site with your team getting off, i had the synthesis ending, that cant be in shepards mind, i know the ending was bad but making up fairy tail endings to pretend that ending didn't happen is just sad.

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FrightfulActions1545d ago

What would be more insulting is if they didn't alter or change the ending in anyway, effectively giving the middle finger to all fans who have been following the series since the first release. The current ending really is that bad.

exsturminator011545d ago

Lol, that was my thought seeing the article title. "Really? More of an insult than the current ending?"

Dlacy13g1545d ago

Correction...they don't need to alter or change the ending as you suggest. They need to clarify and explain some of the leaps of faith it requires and plot wholes that were pretty obvious. Just help us connect the dots to a story ending that right now feels like it can't possibly make sense. If they do have all the dots truly connected...just show me. I don't need you to re-write anything.

ChickeyCantor1544d ago

"he current ending really is that bad."

Meh, my only problem is that they have the guts to sell a game with an inconclusive ending.

The insult is more that they take us as a bunch of sheep and think we will all buy the dlc

pat_11_51545d ago

I haven't finished the game yet. But it really can't be as bad as people are saying.

RedDead1545d ago

Besides bioware's lies and false advertising, the ending makes no sense once you think about it. And it's left open to the type of interpretation that is unnecessary and just screams "we were rushed" or "The ending doesn't make sense, so were not going to try and make any sense of it"

exsturminator011545d ago

Well, come back and let us know your opinion when you get there. Maybe the 50k fans are wrong or you can appreciate something we didn't. All thoughts on the subject are welcome. =D

Dlacy13g1545d ago (Edited 1545d ago )

LOL... 50k angry fans... versus the millions who bought it and didn't complain. Kind of a weak argument.

Don't get me wrong...I am not a fan of the ending. I just found your rationale a bit off in a big picture kind of way. :)

snipes1011545d ago

@Dlacy...
Number one, not every single person is going to sign something like that. Even if they think the ending was the worst thing since apartheid, some might not be passionate enough about the game to actually go join a cause for it.

Number two. A quick google search shows that sales of ME3 dropped 80% from week one to week to. From 2.4 million units to 500k or so. People were complaining about the ending as early as a day within the games release and word spread fast. Do you really think the complaints about the ending had NOTHING to do with that? It's possible they don't, but it's hard to argue with numbers...here's the link if you don't believe me. http://www.reddit.com/r/gam...

exsturminator011544d ago

I don't really want to get in a statistics debate on here, but I'll just go ahead and mention that surveys tend to interview a sample of a population to get a feel for the general consensus. 50k is not a big number in ratio to total units sold. It does appear to be a big number in ratio to those voicing their opinions though. Did some people enjoy the ending? Yes. Are all of them taking to the internet? Of course not. Same goes for the other side though. "Didn't complain," is nowhere near the same thing as "satisfied." I guarantee you the guys at Bioware are not looking at 50k vocal protesters and saying, "oh well." They're looking at the big picture, recognizing the possibility that they are seeing a legitimate sampling of consumers, and assessing how much damage this will do to their plans for DLC and spin-off titles.
As for my above comment, I was just stating the facts. Pam hasn't beaten it but thinks it can't be that bad; 50k vocal fans disagree; I hope he comes back with an insight to win me over to liking it. I'd like to like it if anyone can point out something I missed, so power to him and good luck.

wedgie1545d ago

I kept thinking that myself. But then I just beat it yesterday, and yeah, now I am with everyone else. New ending will be welcome

SneeringImperialist1544d ago

Its not just the game's ending though the game is really buggy to.

superrey191544d ago (Edited 1544d ago )

I didn't think it was that bad either. People complain that the ending felt incomplete or didn't explain everything, well, it doesn't have to does it? Many movies(Inception, in recent memory) leave the ending to interpretation which is exactly what this game has managed to do. The fact that it wasn't a happy ending is not a new concept either. The only legitimate complaint I see people having is that their decisions throughout the game didn't have that big of an impact at the end (besides what crew u had end-game and the many different missions you did along the way).

I recommend listening to PC Gamer's podcast on the game, screenwriter Gary Whitta shares his opinion on the ending too. http://www.pcgamer.com/2012...

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moegooner881545d ago (Edited 1545d ago )

@Pat
After finishing the game make sure to watch this video:

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

It made sense to me, and if true, then it is kinda brilliant

pr0digyZA1545d ago (Edited 1545d ago )

Ye I am going along with that theory of the ending as it definitely seems better and was pretty close to what I thought when I finished, and expanded new views that I hadn't thought of. That said, it still means there wasn't proper closure as the game ended in the middle of a battle.

Megaton1545d ago

If it's true in the way fans suggest, then it's a genius move on BioWare's part. Launches it from one of the worst endings of all time to one of the best. Unfortunately, I have a hard time believing it's true. I don't think they're capable of that.

VanillaBear1545d ago

Even if they did use it, as brillaint as it is, theres no way people would actually believe Bioware had it planned from the start....well at least I wouldn't. They probably saw the Indoctrination theory thought it was a better ending then were they were heading and changed the second ending again to fit into that theory.

I would know for a fine fact that they changed the ending in November after the leak, they couldn't get the ending finished in time so they gave us a half finished ending so they could finish it off later to sell as DLC...but you would obviously get those obsessed Bioware fans who would actually think they did have it planned from the start.

Krugsy1544d ago (Edited 1544d ago )

Even if this was the intended meaning, it's not brilliant. No ending should require this level of interpretation and deciphering. I don't think an ending needs to be clear-cut and obvious, but a much better writer would have made the ending still satisfying to those who don't care about going through everything with a fine comb. Mulholland Dr, as eccentric and surreal as it was, still had an emotional and final closing to the film, but also maintained its ambiguity to all but the most diehard fans.

A good ending is one that provides closure but also leaves things open to interpretation. Mass Effect only left everything open to interpretation without the closure.

Its just a shame that an otherwise amazing game is being overshadowed by the outcry over the ending.

limewax1544d ago

To be honest what comes to mind as a similar method for an ending, yet how to do it properly, would be Final Fantasy 8. The Ultemecia - Rinoa paradox. See that was only hinted at for less then a second in the final scenes yet most people got it fairly easily.

Mass Effect 3 hints at indoctrination a LOT more yet somehow never manages to point you in the right direction enough to let you piece it together easily.

Krugsy1544d ago

Totally agree Limewax, it's just a very severe case of bad scripting.

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