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The Next PlayStation is Called Orbis, Sources Say. Here are the Details

Kotaku: While the official reveal of Sony's next home console could still be months away, if not longer, Kotaku has today learned some important details concerning the PlayStation 3's successor.

For one, the console's name—or at least its codename/working title—is apparently Orbis. And it's being planned for release in time for the 2013 holiday season.

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Hellsvacancy1716d ago

I hope not, sounds dumb, ill still refer to it as the PS4

Emilio_Estevez1716d ago (Edited 1716d ago )

Probably a code name, as per usual

It sounds pretty hefty if it can do 1080p 3d and 4k res.

NewMonday1716d ago

PSO, if you try to pronounce it it sounds like "p!$$ off"

"ource claims that the console will come with a AMD x64 CPU and a AMD Southern Islands GPU"
is this good tech?

dark-hollow1716d ago

Southern islands gpus are basically the RADEON 7000 series which can range from the radeon 7570 to the high end 7950.

They are the most recent gpus from AMD.

Shikoro1716d ago

It depends which GPU in the Southern Islands family it is.
If it's the 7950 or 7870, this thing is going to be a beast. The only thing I don't like is AMD's CPU. Really, Sony? A modified Cell with more local storage, branch prediction and more effective parallelism would do wonders. God, I hope they got the CPU wrong...

gaffyh1716d ago

The used game info makes no sense at all. Why don't they just do the same thing that PCs do and have a serial key and require activation? That will pretty much wipe out used game sales completely, and because consoles are a closed system, it is unlikely that pirates will be able to make keygens/activation cracks readily available, at least straight away.

Then if someone buys a used game, they must purchase a new serial key online. Seems like common sense to me, but they keep trying these stupid methods.

Pacman3211716d ago

Yes but the pre-owned system sounds pretty s**t and i hope it's not true.

NewMonday1716d ago

@Shikoro

they want AMD for a cpu gpu Fusion, will this give them extra advanteg over split cpu and gpu?

her is an interesting story:
http://www.pcmag.com/articl...

DFresh1716d ago

4K yeah right!
1080P/60 frames per second will be the standard of PS4/Xbox720/Wii U.

Edit:
Just so you know 1080P is different from 4K resolution.

2K = 2X better then 1080P. (Future development for console gaming.)

4K = 4X better then 1080P. (Future game development for PC gaming.)

8K = 8X better then 1080P. (Pretty sure it'll be used for movie projectors in theaters. Sony as far as I know have an 8K projector in the works.)

NiKK_4191716d ago (Edited 1716d ago )

@DFresh Sorry, but that's not true. You're just confusing people.

And this is only to be futureproof. This doesn't mean the games will be in 4K.

2K is barely higher than 1080P but it's not an exact resolution. 2K can be defined as a few resolutions. Same with 4K and 8K.

An easy way of defining it would be looking at the first number of the resolution (the length, which is bigger.) 2K would be around 2000, 4K would be around 4000 and so on.
For reference 1080P is 1920x1080.

SilentNegotiator1716d ago (Edited 1716d ago )

4K res.....riiiiight. And the ps3 can do 1080p on multiple screens.

"2K is barely higher than 1080P but it's not an exact resolution. 2K can be defined as a few resolutions. Same with 4K and 8K"
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Eh.....even if it were the same vertical res as standard 1080p, it would then be like 4x the resolution. "barely"?

If consoles have anti-used crap, though, they will not have much of a future. You can still play an NES, n64, playstation, xbox, etc....imagine a few years down the line, you would need a console with ALL the games you want attached to it. That would BLOW. That system breaks, say goodbye to your entire collection.

DeadlyFire1716d ago

AMD CPU is alot faster than PowerPC. Just clock to clock comparison. Kinda of an oddball choice if you ask me though. Still more powerful, but its not something you would expect.

What kinda of AMD CPU will it be sporting? A custom one or one that is already on the market? I am going to assume it will use one of the upcoming FX Series CPUs coming in Q3 2012 or custom variation CPU based on one. Hopefully not gimped to far to save costs.

GPU I am going to assume will be one that puts out at least 2.5 Tflops since that is requirement of 1080p on that Samaritan demo. Which means 7870 or 7900 series GPU. Either way that means lots of heat though. I am expecting this means PS4 won't be cheap.

BattleAxe1716d ago

If there's no continuity with the PSN and allowing you play PS3 games that you've downloaded, then I will not be participating with the next generation of consoles.

I'm hoping that even after the PS4 launch, that the PS3 continues to be supported with major releases for at least a few years after.

gamingdroid1716d ago (Edited 1716d ago )

I think the used game policy on PS4 is untrue. What happens to people that play offline if internet connectivity is a requirement to even play the game?

They aren't going to ditch a lot of people that don't connect their PS4 to the internet. If so, it would be pretty stupid and I won't support them. Instead, I will support a competitor that doesn't. At present time, it doesn't seem Wii U has any disgusting used game restrictions.

I guess, they could do the whole "phone in your activation" thing a ma jigg.

Also, no BC kind of sucks too....

I hope it is false!

pixelsword1716d ago

If I can't sell the games or get them used I'm not getting the system; so no PS4 or NextboX for me, I guess.

sikbeta1716d ago (Edited 1716d ago )

1. Obviously a codename, no way they're going to call it Orbis, the hell is that s***?

2. FINALLY! a rumor about the Next PlayStation Console, all these months were all about Xbox3, it's nice to have something at least :P

3. You people think it's going to be called PS4?

Darrius Cole1716d ago (Edited 1716d ago )

@pixelsword

There is no way in hell that Sony, Microsoft, or Nintendo is going to sell a system that doesn't work if it is not connected to the internet. Or at least that won't be the only system that they sell. That anti-used game system is a pipe dream.

EDIT:

Nor will it lock games discs to a single username. That would require a writable disc and a drive that could write to disc. There is no way we are getting that.

AND

Of course it is going to be called Playstation 4 or PS4.

pixelsword1716d ago (Edited 1716d ago )

@ Darrius Cole:

That's where "if" and "I guess" comes into play...

...as opposed to "since" and "I'm sure".

:)

decrypt1716d ago (Edited 1716d ago )

Lol so console gamers will be most likely not getting any BC next gen.

Wake up guys you are being taken for a ride with these consoles(Specially they dont even look like consoles any more, they look more like locked down PCs to me). Buy thousands of USD worth of games, then they are unplayable next gen.

I personally have over 150games on Steam, no fears of losing my entire library here lol.

Console gaming is supposed to be cheap, looks more like a rip off.

Now before some retarded fanboy comes up saying "oh we can have a PS3 plugged in with the PS4". Good luck having a PS2, PS3 and PS4 plugged in at the same time lol.

@at anyone hoping for 4K gaming and 1080p 3D

Its the same crap Sony fed you the last time when they mentioned 1080p and 120fps lol. Dont get sucked into it another time lol.

milohighclub1716d ago

I think the orbis thing is true.

I recently got a vita and noticed like a lot of vets would that they have used the ps logo as it boots up like the playstation did.

I think the author is right about the symbolism comment, but barking up the wrong tree.

If orbis means circle, orbit....etc I think it means they are doing a full circle and going back to the old days... Games come first, other media second.

vulcanproject1716d ago (Edited 1716d ago )

Meh. Those specs have been floating around for aaaaaaaages.

It has also been mentioned that the thing will have a bunch of extra DSPs and FPGAs i.e additional process units for various other functions, all dumped on an interposer and connected with a chunk of very fat memory on it like a 512 bit bus to make sure there are no memory bandwidth bottlenecks which would of course be the major obstacle with such a busy chip.

Chances are that would be an expensive chip to make, not to mention difficult.

But it should be stonkingly fast, if Sony get it right. Sony must nail the GPU and they will be able to have the outright performance crown, with no chance of a dispute.

Eyesoftheraven1716d ago

Well, they were boasting about the PS3 being able to do 1k-2k @ 120fps at its unveiling. Look how that turned out.

MaxXAttaxX1716d ago

Hmmm
Can anyone tell me how reliable these Kotaku insiders are when it comes to rumours???

2pacalypsenow1716d ago

whats the point of 4k? tvs are not even 2k

frostypants1716d ago (Edited 1716d ago )

Even if they have anti-used game features on the PS4 and NextBox, you'll all buy one of them. Seriously, deny it all you want, but you know it's true. Let's be honest here...

EeJLP-1716d ago (Edited 1716d ago )

Code name, fine.

Release.. PS4.

Also, agreed with 2pacalyosenow. They should shoot for all games to be 1080p 120fps, so they can have every game in 1080p 3D 60fps if that's how that works. Let it be able to run some future 4k2k PSN games though if they think 4k2k tvs will be out before 5-8 years.

andibandit1716d ago

Dont get too excited with specs on the next gen of consoles. Sony/MS get alot of free marketing on the hype factor alone, and they are playing that card.
But anyways you're problably too busy dreaming about OMZG 4K REZ, NEWEST CPU/GPU TECH, INTERNATIONAL SPACESTATION CONNECTION NEEEEEEEEERDGAAAAAAAASMMMM.

When you finally get that console and find out it it's only half of what you expected it to be, you'll go into denial about if that was money well spent, and you'll defend the product to the death.
OMGZZZZ THIS 450$ RED LUNCHBOX IS THE BEST PURCHASE EVER!!!!, ANYONE WHO GETS THE BLUE ONE ARE LOOOOSSEEEEEEERSS!!!!!

humbleopinion1715d ago

This sounds like a bunch of bull: throw all kinds of rumors at the wall and see what sticks.

The thing that makes least sense and probably classifies this rumor as false is the 4K resolution: even if you want the console to be like 10 years futureproof this doesn't sound reasonable.
This is because the 4K standard is 4096 x 2304 in cinemas. This is over 4 times 1080p which current consoles don't really handle bar a few games, or over 8 times the resolution of most 720p games.
So you will basically need 4 times the memory, 4 times the processing power etc just to keep games looking *exactly like this gen games* with the only difference being the resolution boost.

Not to mention, 1080p TVs are not even the standard today in the western world and many people still have 720p displays. Do people have any idea how much time it will take for TVs to reach this 4K resolution at a reasonable (ie, not 10000$+) price? Investing in 4K resolution is just focusing on the wrong aspect and it makes no sense for Sony to do this.

slayorofgods1714d ago

No used games
No backwards compatibility

No thanks,

I really hope MS puts more effort into PC games next generation because it is re-gaining momentum and allows the user to be in control of their gaming experience.

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JsonHenry1716d ago (Edited 1716d ago )

Might as well just get a gaming PC if any of this is true. AMD CPU/GPU. No used (or restricted use) games.

Not sure this is why people buy consoles over gaming rigs. In fact, I think it is the exact opposite of why people stick to console gaming instead of PC gaming.

And @ Shikoro- you are completely wrong. The AMDx64 cpus make the CELL look stupid in comparison. They would have to change a LOT of the CELLs architecture to make it even remotely close to being on par with either Intel or AMDs CPUs. The instruction set alone is worth not having a CELL in the new console. I am not blasting the CELL as being useless. But go read the hundreds of quotes by programmers who wished that consoles had either intel or AMD CPUs in them. More cores (or in the case of the CELL "helper" cores) does not= greater power by default. The instruction sets such as SSE and architecture of the chips play a more important role.

gypsygib1716d ago

Games optimized for the hardware and southern island GPU will look much better than general purpose PC games....at first.

cyborg69711716d ago

We buy consoles for the games. And the games. Did I mention the games.

What is the point of a pc?

JsonHenry1716d ago

What is the point of the PC? The games. :)

fluffydelusions1716d ago

@cyborg6971

Did you really just ask what the point of a PC is?

Muerte24941716d ago

Get some disagrees but I'm still saying that Sony is going to stick with Nvidia. I'm not buying into this whole "They're switching to AMD" rumors out there. I honestly, don't think they're going to scrap the CELL. To me that would be the best way to keep costs down. IT also seems most developers are familiar with it by now anyway.

superrey191716d ago

@Muerte2494

I agree on reusing the cell, or a modified version of it, but as far as the gpu goes, I hope they switch to AMD. I love me my Nvidia cards on pc, but lets face it, amd gpus are always cheaper... but no slouch in the performance department either. They provide the best bang for buck which is what Sony is probably looking for to keep costs down and still have a beast of a console.

DeadlyFire1716d ago (Edited 1716d ago )

Power7 = Cell 2.0 Honestly its not far from it. SMT threads up to 4 per core. About the same Gflops performance with a slight bump. Same clock speeds.

AMDx64 CPU is alot faster than Cell. Its possible they might even be using an APU + GPU. Say Deccan 28nm 4 core A10 5800 APU with AMD 7660 built in. I say throw a 7850 in there + that = 2500 Tflop GPU power + the 4 core APU. Would be less heat and more power. Although could be potentially modified higher caliber APU. or Steamroller based one. I am hoping they go for Single CPU + High End GPU. Although Crossfire APU + GPU power would work out wonderfully as well.

sikbeta1716d ago

@JsonHenry

Yeah, NO! I buy consoles for their games, don't come with that s*** about emulation because I'm not going to wait 5 years to get a half console on a PC...

@cyborg6971

1.Actually make games for Consoles lol
2.Other s*** besides gaming + gaming with better graphics :P
3.circlejerk for PC-fanboys XD

@Muerte

CELL is dated now, take any powerful CPU and run circles around the CELL, it'd only be good for BC, but much like with the PS3, they can add cell to the new console for BC, while emulate the RSX with a powerful GPU this time

What they really need is RAM for the next console, 4GB of RAM will do wonders, not gonna happen though, but more than 2GB and all will run smooth

Muerte24941715d ago

That the cell is dated but this is the 45nm version. I don't why they can't knock the size down to 32nm or even 22nm and clock it at around 4.5GHz. Now regarding AMD vs NVidia, the 7980 is $550.00 and the GTX680 is $500.00. If you look at some of the benchmarks out there the GTX680 beats out the 7980 in almost everything. Also they are using launch drivers with the new kelper cards.

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Thatguy-3101716d ago (Edited 1716d ago )

I like the sound of Orbis :) they cant possibly keep naming theyre console the same thing. ps4,ps5,ps6,ps7,ps8 etc.They neeed to change it up a bit. Btw since speculation that both sony and microsoft will prohibit used games makes me think that next-gen will absolutely hurt the trade market that gamestop and other company offer.. Can't wait to see the announcement

morkendo231716d ago

I agree ORBIS do sound dumb first read the name i thought it said ORVIS Clank father in "A CRACK IN TIME"

ps4 name reign supreme in my book.

Malice-Flare1716d ago

it's Kotaku. a mountain of salt required. anyway, i blame GameStop if the anti-used game tech is true...

DigitalAnalog1716d ago (Edited 1716d ago )

I doubt SONY would call it the PS4. The number "4" has the same pronunciation as "death" in Japanese. So it would be extremely ironic considering the last Playstation release is called "Life".

jhenri1716d ago

That could actually be pretty cool. They could use the slogan live playstation, die playstation.

StayStatic1716d ago (Edited 1716d ago )

Bazinga

THESONYPS31716d ago

This is not out final name. We are still developing right as we speak.

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StupidDude1716d ago

While this is all unconfirmed, whichever console allows used games will have a huge leg up.

I have a feeling (or, I really hope, rather) that a lot of these will end up being strictly rumors. I'm not sure Sony is in the best position, financially speaking, to be locking down the consumer as much as this report suggests it's going to do.

NewMonday1716d ago

if MS and Sony do it the same time, it could mean it was from pressure from publishers.

FatGayandbald1716d ago

If they both have anti used games software then i think they have agreed it together , knowing both want to do it but who ever allows used games would have an advantage.

When developing new consoles i always wonder to what extent do companies work together or steal information. The consoles end up being so similar in power and release dates and console cycles always the same.

DeadlyFire1716d ago

If this whole locking down used games and locking new games to only one PSN account thing is true they better cut the prices on the games. I am not paying $60 times 3 so my siblings can play the same game I play.

ZoyosJD1716d ago

Just let them use your account, assuming you are not all trying to play at the same time on different consoles. I mean its your family man if you can't trust them, then who can you trust.

SuperBeast8111716d ago

Exactly me and my wife like to get trophies on our own accounts but im not paying 120 bucks for every game we both want to play

MrBeatdown1716d ago (Edited 1716d ago )

Exactly, which is why I doubt either Sony or MS wants to be the first to attempt it. So many gamers buy used that it would essentially be sending customers over to the competition. My choice of consoles would essentially be decided by DRM flexibility if any company attempted something like this. Plus, making an internet connection a requirement cuts off a whole lot of customers. A company like GameStop would be sure to remind any customer looking to buy a console of negative features like that.

I do like the idea of being able to install a game using a disc, and then being able to play without it. If they could find a way to tie games to your account using the current PSN DRM (content can be used on any account on up to two consoles, online or off) and make them playable without a disc, that could make for an interesting incentive to buy new.

Doing that though, they would need a way to make sure you aren't installing it and selling it, maybe by blocking it from being played (at least online) for as long as you have it "activated" on your account, or something like that.

mantisimo1715d ago

@ Mr Beat
"Exactly, which is why I doubt either Sony or MS wants to be the first to attempt it. So many gamers buy used that it would essentially be sending customers over to the competition."

Sorry to burst your bubble but the conversation goes something like this. *ring ring* "

Hello Don Mattrick speaking"

"Hey Don it's Shuhei Yoshida hows the wife?"

"Yeah Good Shu, Phil says hello"

"Cool say Hi right back, we still going for the no multiple account sh1t next year"?

"Yeaah lets do it that's what all the studios requested"

"great, you bowling tonight the team needs you"

"Ok buddy see you then oh and bring Phil I miss him Lol."

No real isolation there it's what they all want. And sadly it will happen because like sheep we all bought the popular games with an online pass. Thus showing them we will buy anything and pay anything for the chance to play and not be encouraged to buy 2nd hand.

I'm as guilty as everyone else, but guilty and out of pocket I am about to become more and more.

MrBeatdown1715d ago

@mantisimo

I doubt that.

What they want and what would work are two different things. Even if they both want to do it, they would be throwing away any chance of ever selling anything to those without a high speed internet connection. For all we know, blocking that market could have a bigger negative impact on the industry's bottom line than used game sales, especially if they could find a way to bring in revenue from the used market.

You have to remember that every publisher with an online pass allows you to buy a pass for $10. They could easily require you to buy a new copy to play online. Hell, a publisher could implement some pretty strict DRM in PS3 and 360 games if they want to. They don't need new consoles to do it. So clearly publishers feel that finding a way to bring in revenue from the used market is a better idea than forcing you to buy a new copy to play online.

Plus, I just don't see MS and Sony entering into any kind of binding agreement with one another that dictates that they will both cut off the used market.

Greyfoxdbz1715d ago

I don't really understand why publishers would complain about pre-owned games. If I have a game that is PRE-owned, it means it was bought new somewhere down the line. I would have thought that they would welcome a wider distribution of their games because it would mean greater exposure to the people who line their pockets in the first place. It's damn ridiculous. I was poor growing up and this was the only way I could procure games besides borrowing from a friend.

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Nac1716d ago

Powerful? I dont know specs.

Shikoro1716d ago

We know nothing yet. To be able to tell anything we need to know: what kind of architecture does the CPU have, what is its clock speed, cache size, which GPU does it have, number of shaders, core & memory clock, TDP and so on and so forth...

MySwordIsHeavenly1716d ago

Totally cutting off the used game market? I seriously doubt it...

No PS3 compatibility? Again, I seriously doubt it. They will certainly have PS3 games available as downloads, like they already do.

NewMonday1716d ago

no CELL, they would have to re-code games first.

gaffyh1716d ago

Without the Cell included in the console, PS3 game emulation will be very difficult. This way though, you have to keep your PS3 to play some of the latest games that come out for the PS3, and buy a PS4. In previous generations I have always sold my previous consoles on before buying the next one, because the previous console became pointless.

maniacmayhem1716d ago

They will definitely be offering ps3 games via DL. The same way ps3 is now offering ps2 games.

The Vita doesn't have a cell and can play some ps3 games. However they are pulling this off will be the same way it goes with the ps4.

Disccordia1716d ago

The vita cannot play ps3 games. If ps4 doesn't have cell then it won't play ps3 games. the architecture is even harder to emulate than the emotion engine and.. We all know how software emulation for ps2 worked out.

Even though it sounds lame these rumours would be good. it would well and truly show that Sony have stopped being massively up their own arse by trying to create their own over complicated solutions to a problem that doesn't require it. Developers on the whole couldn't get to grips with the ps3 and in general the 360 received the better multiplats every time bar a handful of titles.

vita was a step in the right direction and this sounds promising.

slavish1716d ago

just keep your ps3, it was made to play ps3 games!

ExCest1716d ago

EXACTLY!

Geez people need to get with the program. Just keep your PS3 if hell comes over and you'll be able to live through the winter.

MySwordIsHeavenly1716d ago

I plan on keeping my PS3. I've kept my PS1 and PS2 since I got them, so I really don't have a problem keeping systems. I just would like to be able to play the PS3 games I purchased on the PSN on the PS4. Ya know? 320 Gb's isn't enough, if you are an avid gamer with a relatively middle class budget.