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Submitted by Sonic9jct 947d ago | news

Pyramid Head Rape Scene Edited Out of Silent Hill 2 HD?

Some eagle eyed fans of Silent Hill 2 have apparently noticed an infamous scene inexplicably missing from the recent HD rerelease of this title. (PS3, Retro, Silent Hill 2, Silent Hill HD Collection, Xbox 360)

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DigitalAnalog  +   947d ago
I hope this is just a glitch.
There have been reports of poor lip-syncing, freezing and other tech issues. I would lose a lot of respect for Konami if they deliberately try to remove content for the sake of censorship.
ritsuka666  +   947d ago
It's NOT glitch dude... they really censored the scene -___-

look in this video in 2.14 minute

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

Konami is really pathetic.
SpaceDesperado  +   947d ago
the link they provide to show the previous version and the video you provide looks almost the exact same besides a couple of close-up shots of the action, I don't see the big deal...
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killerhog  +   947d ago
@spacedesperado

yeah, not much of a discrepancy between the two versions. nothing i would rage about, though i wouldnt of raged if they completely removed it. it just comes down to gamers are indeed whiny.
adorie  +   946d ago
Didn't bother with this. It's a novel idea and all, but playing SH2/3/4 in HD can be done on the PC. I own them all, after going the ebay route. xD
hardandsloppy  +   946d ago
I played it and saw it, i dont know, maybe it is a glitch or something
ChickeyCantor  +   946d ago
ONE MIRRION BUGS....
YEAAAAH.
Septic  +   946d ago
Am I the only one that found that original rape scene REALLY disturbing?

Violence in games I can handle, but rape.....its just too much.
PS_Family  +   946d ago
The "victims" were freaking demons.
Septic  +   946d ago
That made it even more messed up!
Solid_Snake37  +   946d ago
So a bunch of demonic pixels raping another bunch of demonic pixels are 'too much' for you to handle?
MidnytRain  +   946d ago
@Solid_Snake37

The same could be said for many movies. They still affect people.
A-Glorious-Dawn  +   946d ago
Don't watch or play what you can not handle?

If everything was made handleable by everyone we would have very little left in the way of creative freedom.
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snipes101  +   946d ago
@hazard...
Please dont bring the "protect the kids" argument in to this. If you dont want him or her to see it, play the game after the tyke is put to bed.

The "M" is on the front of the box for a reason. If you're a parent and a gamer (which Im assuming you are), then this shouldnt even be an issue for you.
Pozzle  +   947d ago
WTF. I hope this isn't true! That is one of the most iconic (and terrifying) scenes in the game! Hell, in the ENTIRE SERIES!
killerhog  +   947d ago
i saw both the censored and uncensored version of the suppose rape scene, and there was nothing "terrifying" about it. in fact, it looked silly and i found myself asking, 'what the hell am i watching/going on?'. konami probably felt some of it [rape scene] should be pruned as the article also insinuated.
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Pozzle  +   946d ago
Have you played the game? Because the scene itself isn't what makes it terrifying. It's WHY Pyramid Head is "raping" the mannequin that makes it such a creepy and iconic scene. It ends up being one of the bigger plot points in the game. So if stuff like that is removed, it doesn't make gamers "whiny" for complaining about it. Because the rape and sexual repression allusions are a VERY big part of Silent Hill 2's story. Without them, a big part of the story (and James' character) is lost.
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Frankfurt  +   946d ago
MASSIVE LOL at judging how scary something is by watching a cropped youtube video, with no context, no playing for hours and getting more and more into the storyline, characters, themes and message.

You're an example of current gamers. Bet you love COD and Uncharted too.
RedDead  +   946d ago
Pozzle...that doesn't make it scary. It's not scary or terrifying. But I agree with the rest of your post. When you see it for the first time it is simply weird until you learn why it is happening. But knowing or not knowing the story does not make a scene scary or not.

Sorry again Frankfurt. Story does not equate to scary. You either have a scary scene or you don't and that one is definitely not scary.

"no playing for hours and getting more and more into the storyline, characters, themes and message. "

What does this have to do with how scary the scene is? Nothing. The scene is amazing for different reasons imo
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KingOfOldSkool  +   946d ago
@RedDeadDestroyer - Context, especially in a game like Silent Hill, can certainly affect how scary a scene is.

An example is ofcourse the Maria character. If someone new to the series were to walk in on a scene of her with no clue of her backstory, should would just be another character in an inconsequential scene.

Now.. if they were told that she was an exact double of the main character's dead wife with a different personality, as well as given some of the video and notes to display 'how' different, that same scene becomes all the more chilling.
A-Glorious-Dawn  +   946d ago
Why was pyramid head raping the dead mannequins though???
dennett316  +   946d ago
@A Glorious Dawn.....it's hard to say without giving away spoilers if you haven't played the game. It is symbolic of the main character's sexual frustrations....the reasons for which are revealed at the climax of the game.

When you first encounter the scene, it is purely to disturb and unsettle the player. The meaning is derived later on. It IS an important scene and it definitely should NOT be censored. There's no penetration or anything especially graphic...but the intention is clear.
adorie  +   946d ago
SH2 is one of my favorite games. People who are complaining about people complaining about the scene's censorship need a clue.

Sex is one of the themes in the game that highlight the story. Even the monster designs are relevant to James and the theme of Sex. There is a monster later in the game called "Abstract Daddy" that is one of the more sexual looking monsters and the story behind it is intriguing.

The nurses are also a representation of sex. I can't quite get into it as it would spoil some things, but the people complaining about an important scene like the PH rape scene are justified in my opinion.

Lastly, and to be frank, they shouldn't be trimming anything. The game is a masterpiece in it's own right.
KingOfOldSkool  +   946d ago
I agree, you can't play mix and match with Team Silent's original way of telling the story and expect to come out with the same intended vision.

It's like re-releasing a book and cutting out a sentence here and chapter there, it would be corrupting the author's intended flow and backstory, possibly leading to main key points being lost in the process that you wouldn't realize until after the fact.
SCThor  +   946d ago
Please elaborate Pozzle, WHY is scary and have to do a lot, with the main plot?
dennett316  +   946d ago
It's not scary...at least not to me, but it IS meant to unsettle and disturb the player.

It is symbolic of the main character and his sexual frustrations...the reasons for which are a pretty damn big spoiler, so I won't say it here.

Silent Hill and it's imagery and monsters are all tailored to reflect the guilt of the protagonist, whatever that may be as the story is revealed. The scene isn't there to titilate, it's there to disturb and it does have meaning.
DigitalAnalog  +   946d ago
SCThor
It depends on your point of view. If the Pyramid Head unsettled you before the scene, then it would have made a bit terrifying as you begin to understand what this character is. However, it relates to the main plot (without spoiling) determining how the monsters and environments affect the player.
ThatEnglishDude  +   947d ago
LMFAO they censored the 'rape' scene by cutting away almost instantly. How pathetic. First they wash out the colors, clean up the game to a point where it almost looks TOO good, remove some visual effects in Silent Hill 3, fuck with the voice acting, the music...and 'censor' controversial scenes.

Here's a timestamp of a YouTube playthrough. Note how the camera cuts almost instantly: http://www.youtube.com/watc...

Just stick with the PS2 versions. Who knows what else has been cut.
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DarkBlood  +   947d ago
im guessing thats you in the comments based on the exact same words your using right now?

anyways i cant notice anything being missing since i never had a ps2 back then so i guess in my mind i havent missed anything i suppose
ThatEnglishDude  +   947d ago
The only difference is the scene is shorter. Note how on that video I linked there's that brief close up frame before it cut to James? Well on the original it's just drawn out longer so you get more of an idea on exactly what it is he's doing.

Here's the original - http://www.youtube.com/watc...

It's very subtle, but laughable when you take into account the fact they actually went ahead and took the time to do so. Not to mention that it begs the question, what other small changes are there?

Of course, if you've yet to experience the games then by all means enjoy. I personally own it on PS2 but play it on PC with controller in high resolution.
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TVippy  +   946d ago
Very legit comment.
EVILDEAD360  +   946d ago
'Just stick with the PS2 versions. Who knows what else has been cut'

The original Xbox had the BEST version of SH2..one of my alltime fave experiences on the big box.

Evil
adorie  +   946d ago
Actually, SH2 for the PC has the best visuals of the versions. I haven't played the HD collection so I can't comment on those. But if you're going to say something along the lines of "I can enjoy it sitting on the couch!" I can as well. Xbox360 controller for PC and an HDMI cable go a long way. :)
EVILDEAD360  +   946d ago
I could care less about the PC..I'm talking consoles and HDMI did not even exist when SH2 launched. Again best version of SH2 was on the Xbox at the time. Other than Halo SH2 happened to be one of the main reason I loved my Xbox at the time.

Evil
ThatEnglishDude  +   946d ago
I was going to mention the Xbox version. Shit, that's the version I had myself before I sold my original Xbox. It was the best console version of the game to be released. The only reason I didn't mention it was because I wasn't sure if it was compatable with the Xbox 360.
theeg  +   947d ago
play ot on pc, looks so much better than the "HD" remake that isnt even true 1080p hd like it is on pc

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

plus you can play silent hill 4 on pc in 1080p

not available no ps3 360

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

-pc, it actually does everything!
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JsonHenry  +   947d ago
Yeah, we played this in HD a long time ago on the PC. :)
guitarded77  +   947d ago
^ Cool story bro... tell it again.
Kahvipannu  +   946d ago
Funny how you and theeg got so many disagrees, since your stating the fact. Just like BG&E HD is actually just gimped down PC version on consoles..

People need to realize these "HD-remakes" are easy cash for devs, especially if there is already existing version on PC. Since Sony and MS have given up for backwards compatibility, you can now buy your old games back that are basically old PC versions..

Remakes should be done like for example Halo-Anniversary, it's a true tribute to the old game, and not just cash in.
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Soldierone  +   946d ago
I'd be so rich if I got just a penny everytime PC gamers ruined comments with "PC look better!!!!!" lol
MysticStrummer  +   947d ago
"-pc, it actually does everything!"

...except play the games I want to play.
HerryGurp  +   947d ago
"What is an emulator?"
dktxx2  +   947d ago
Emulators don't exist for the 360 or PS3, so if he wants to play 360 or PS3 exclusives then he's right.
Kahvipannu  +   946d ago
Oh you don't know what your missing out...
yewles1  +   947d ago
Too bad you neglect to mention the crappy PC version of SH3 that was glitchy compared to the PS2 version, had scenes cut out that were in the PS2 version, and SUCKED in 1080p until mods managed to fix it FOUR YEARS AFTER LAUNCH...
SilentNegotiator  +   947d ago
Why would you want to play 4 in ANY resolution?

This article is about Silent Hill 2, Mr. Off Topic.
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humbleopinion  +   946d ago
The "HD" version of the PC is the same old Silent Hill 2 with PS2 quality textures and everything. It doesn't matter in what native resolution you run a game - you can't magically fix low quality artwork. All you get is smoother polygons.
STONEY4  +   946d ago
I have SH2 on PS2 and PC, and there are a lot of small details and effects that get lost in the low resolution of the PS2. The resolution upgrade to 1080p alone is a big enough difference, plus it keeps the film grain and intentional effects that the new remake has cleaned up too much.

I mean, even "HD remakes" like the MGS collection are simple native resolution updates to 720p, and it looks miles better already.
ArronC07  +   946d ago
Being a PC fanboy doesn't make you any less of a douche.
limewax  +   946d ago
I'm not defending the guy here, but out of curiosity what actually makes a PC fanboy? See I game on all systems and enjoy all of them, but for some reason even when I say something on N4G like "Batman AC looked awesome on PC" I usually get told I'm a fanboy.

Like I said not defending, tbh he portrayed himself as perhaps a little arrogant about the PC version. But one observation I have made since my time on N4G is often even just liking PC gaming as well as console gaming gets me labelled as a fanboy. Kind of bizarre really since we are all gamers at the end of the day
Kahvipannu  +   946d ago
limewax

Simple really, if you try to say something that PC has it better than consoles (Which is pretty much everything), most people on N4G will kick in theyr brand loyalty and let the disagrees roll in.^^ It tells a lot about users here at N4G, brand loyalty goes above common sense, and rational thinking, and everybody else has to be a fanboy since they don't share same target of worshipping than you.

What people are trying to say here, these "PC-fanboys" as ArronC07 sees them,, is that there already has been existing better vwersion for this, and this "HD-remake" is just a cash in, and they are getting slanted for it becouse if you say things like that, your a "fanboy". And if you support products like this, you will get more of the same.

And to think of it, why can't we play the old games on our current consoles? Oh yeah, Sony and MS dropped supporting that feature, so now companies are selling inferior PC versions for these consumers.. Imo it's not good thing.

Good thing is that these classic games get wider audience they deserve, like BG&E, that game deserved more audience, and I was very happy to see it coming to current gen of players. But again, it was PC-port with little to no effort improve it..

As I stated in my other comment, good HD-remake would be something like Halo-anniversary. It makes justice to the classic, to the consumers, and most importantly they just didn't half assed port from PC. I think people as gamers and consumers would see this, but then again f.ex. CoD still sells like milk, so I doubt things will change much..
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GraveLord  +   942d ago
I'll reply to you here since you don't any more PMs.

Grow up. People like Call of Duty games. Let Them. Don't be such a troll. The end.
specialguest  +   946d ago
SH2 Director's Cut(PC) > SH2 HD
Best to get the PC version. Have you seen the PC requirements for this game? Even today's sh*tty PC could run it. http://www.gameinfocenter.c...

SH2 Director's cut has an extra scenario where you can play as Maria, explaining her backstory. It also has an extra ending and more content.
adorie  +   946d ago
Shh, you can't mention PC gaming here. People don't like it. :X

Then again, you should have left the 360 and PS3 out of it. :P
jeeves86  +   947d ago
I like the image. "My creepy neighbour."

Rape rape rape!
Sonic9jct  +   947d ago
I figured it would be in my best interests NOT to use an image of potentially graphic rape as a header image. Glad somebody caught that, though.
OhReginald  +   947d ago
wow really that part was actually very disturbing. That sucks for people that wont be able experience that scene first time.....stupid konami..
FinaLXiii  +   947d ago
worst.remaster.ever.

Im gonna facepalm real hard if konami re-releases the original PS2 versions on PS Store and pretends nothing happened.

Komani without Kojima Productions would be complete trash by now for god sake.
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DoctorXpro  +   947d ago
True
cheetorb  +   947d ago
But Pyramid Head's need love too!
n4gisatroll  +   947d ago
Eh, its not that big of a deal, you still see him thrust at least once. Sure you dont see a 10 second rape, but really, why is that so important?

Don't get me wrong, I don't think its fair they did censor their own game, for a few seconds, but I still say its not that big of a deal.
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KrimsonKody  +   947d ago
I don't believe this!

This is like when local TV airs your favorite movie, & cut out all the best parts.
Does "HD" = watered down now?

& yes, what else did they cut?
Maybe I'm ol' school, but I like my games in their entirety. Not like these new school games, that feeds you one game in pieces.

Maybe they did it to reduce CG space to allow for everything to fit on disc, but bluray should have enough spac...,
OH,
Nevermind...
Awesome_Gamer  +   946d ago
Why konami? Why
kasasensei  +   946d ago
Censorship? No buy.
WitWolfy  +   946d ago
............ WTf the "Rape" scene isnt even 4 seconds long.. If you'd blink you'd miss it.. Never offended me... I just pretended it was some kind of Kinky Triangle head booty call
Son_Lee  +   946d ago
Just got to the rape scene in Silent Hill 2 HD. Yes, it's still in there. Is it shorter or whatever? Maybe. But it's there.
Ryo-Hazuki  +   946d ago
It looks like they cut out the first 2 seconds of the original rape scene
Lord_Sloth  +   946d ago
OMG A WHOLE 2 SECONDS IS MISSING AND YOU CAN STILL TELL WHAT HE'S DOING! HOW DARE THEY!!!

*caps lock rage*
DeadSpaced  +   946d ago
I feel like that scene, though disturbing, is important. If they made an HD collection, they should keep things the way they are and improve graphics and glitches. I wish Konami would realize that even if the voice acting is crappy, it still makes part of the experience.
KrimsonKody  +   946d ago
I don't think everyone is angry over the 2-3seconds of thrusting that was cut.
It's the whole principle of why.
Why was there a need to alter the original material, & to what purpose did it serve?

I'm presuming that there are other scenes that may've been slightly cut, but only gamers who are familiar with the original will notice.
It's definitely not a matter of censorship. If so, the whole scene would've been cut. & I have'nt seen what rating it is yet (whether its rated Teen or M), but maybe that small portion of the scene is enough to up or lower the rating. Don't know.

But again; it's not about what or how much was cut, it's about why the necessity.
Also, is things like this going to become a norm?
If so, then don't trade in your originals for these 'upgraded' versions. They may be compact & pretty, but you may come up shorter than you expect.
svoulis  +   946d ago
Is it just me or are "Gamers" (and I quote this cause they aren't really defining the term any longer)full of complaints? I mean really its not even like they took out the entire scene it was about 2 seconds of it. While I wonder why as well, it wouldn't deter me away from buying the game.

Some people really need to grow up, its ridiculous.
rmedtx  +   946d ago
Even when I normally agree with you. I think that in this case they crossed the line. That was one of the creepiest cut-scenes in the whole game. Leaving it out just to probably sell more is a rip off. I haven't picked up my copy of SH HD collection and after this I will not. I will use the money I put down on it to pay for another game. Besides the reviews say that the game is pretty broken. We are paying good money for this products. It is expected to meet quality requirements.
svoulis  +   946d ago
I know the cut scene and I remember my jaw dropping when i saw it, but they didn't cut the entire scene out. Yeah, it makes almost no sense to cut out the "close up" of a game model thrusting but I'm sure eventually we'll get some type of answer as to why they did it.

Just saying, Konami taking 2 seconds out of that cut scene isn't going to question my purchase. What does question my purchase is the bugs found in the game.
aDDicteD  +   946d ago
im planning to pick this hd collection since im a huge fan of the series and upon reading that some scenes and some glitch issues, it's just disappointing. hope it's just that scene that is missing
izumo_lee  +   946d ago
Although the scene is short to begin with it later becomes apparent what Pyramid Head represents in the game according to James. The impact of this scene does not become important until late in the game when you figure out the role Pyramid Head plays, so having it cut or edited may hinder the players understanding.

I agree with some of the assessments of this HD collection saying it is a poor adaptation. Remember the game was delayed a few times by Konami without much reasons which led me to believe there were gonna be problems from the get go. Does not matter to me cause i still own the original games & for me personally that is where the true experience lies.
Relientk77  +   946d ago
Pyramid head is soo f***ing creepy
ThatEnglishDude  +   946d ago
I ranted earlier in the comments, but the bigger question is: why the FUCK are there issues with framerate and lip syncing in the first place? How do you fuck that up?
phinch  +   946d ago
Can someone just answer something for me, when they announced that the voice cast had changed......... i wasnt happy at all infact i didnt want to buy the game.....but then they announced(pretty sure they did) that it was to have the origional voice cast, can someone comfirm this for me?
Ethereal  +   946d ago
Yes this is true. You can choose which voices you want. Old or new. I hear the new are not bad actually but being the purest that I am, Ill use old.
Son_Lee  +   946d ago
New voices are mandatory for SH3, however. I prefer the new voices. James Sunderland sounds more depressed, and every character sounds more believable.
Ethereal  +   946d ago
They cut a very small part of it. I am not worried about it. If they cut it completely that would be a different story.
bigcupofSTFU  +   946d ago
I was thinking of getfing the HD collection once i fixed my xbox360 (never played it before) , but since im missing out wont get It

my laptop is 6 years old do you think i can run it? People who say its better on PC.
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bigcupofSTFU  +   946d ago
nevermind Wow the requirements for PC are LOW hell bet a computer 10 yrs old could run that
incognietbro  +   946d ago
Not sure why it was edited but something like this does not detract from a fine game like silent hill 2. I just wish it was standard to include the original version of the game with every HD re-release/remake.
Kos-Mos  +   946d ago
If this is true, I won't buy the game.
mamotte  +   946d ago
A gameplay scene where you get into an airport and kill innocents in a game 13 years kids play is ok. A video where a bomb kills innocents and kids in a game 13 years kids play is ok. A short scene of rape between monsters in a terror game only grown up people play for the sake of nostalgia (I tried, 13 years old kids just said "poor graphics") is not ok.

Oh world, oh world... not like I care about the scene, but really?
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