A very critical post about Mass Effect 3's ending has been attributed to BioWare writer Patrick Weekes, though the text's origin has since been called into question.
Seems questionable about the circumstances, but what the poster said makes a lot of sense.
s/He'll be losing his/her job :( If this is true ofc "This was entirely the work of our lead and Casey himself, sitting in a room and going through draft after draft...Casey and our lead deciding that they didn't need to be peer-reviewed"
If that is the writer (or not), I pretty much agree with everything he said. The ending was not so bad (I like the intellectual ending), but instead the lack of personalization to your actual choices made it lack.
I didn't need to read this to realize that the ending was not made by the same people who were responsible for the side missions. The side missions were fantastic, the main missions were nothing special (the ending especially)
Pretty much what da_2pacalypse said. You can't compare the ending to the ending on Tuchanka, the result of saving the council (again), and that moment when you finally make a difference in the war between the Quarians and the Geth. Every death in this game, other than Shepards and the kid at the beginning, carried a lot of emotional weight for me. And while I hated not having a real choice in saving them, you can tell with the writing that they weren't doing it callously and without reason. It was a sign of the sacrifices being made to right the past and unite for a brighter future. I still stand by my belief that the ending, while some may see it as 'intellectual', was done based on a business decision. One with the purpose of ensuring that future Mass Effect games, all of which are noted to happen before the ending of Mass Effect 3, and similar media will not conflict with the ending we experienced. By removing the answers we desire, they can continue to develop storylines that won't conflict if certain people didn't make it or based on the result of your choices. In the end, all choices lead to pretty much the same result.
@cgoodno Damn those mod bubbles look good, but seriously that is the most intelligent theory I have heard so far. A lot of people seem to be taking to the idea of it being done to sell us extra endings. But yours actually makes much more sense. I remember not long ago, Bioware put a message out telling people to keep a hold of their game saves for ME3 hinting there would be more, Now if we could swing the world in massively different directions due to our choices it makes it really hard to make ME4. It would literally have to have two or more completely different universes on the disc which would more or less mean building at least 2 completely different games that average out at the usual length of an ME game. The only bit I dislike about this is that they must have known that for a while, and they deluded gamers by telling us that our choices would have a lot more impact
"This was entirely the work of our lead and Casey himself, sitting in a room and going through draft after draft...Casey and our lead deciding that they didn't need to be peer-reviewed" This is what irks me and makes me feel like this may not be valid. If you are passionate about these games, you should have walked up to Casey and said NO! THIS SHOULD NOT BE THE ENDING, and explain and try to reason why the current ending would not fit. Sure this guy gives a great ending that I would have liked. But, why not push as hard as possible. Im sure that his ideas would have been respected. Truth is Im not in the I HATE nor I LOVE categories of the ending. Im more curious as to why Bioware made the ending they did, and what their rational was behind it. I even got that Final Hours of Me3 app and watched all the interviews and the design process behind ME3. Im waiting for Casey Hudson to explain "his" ending, and why they chose to make something in this sense. Personally I am hoping for the indoctrination theory buzzing around, but Im not in one set camp. Sure I probably would have hated the ending when I finished it, but people were complaining so much before I finished the game, that I had reduced my standards for the ending, and actually was very intrigued as I definitley noticed these plot holes, and noticed some of those indoctrination ideas during the ending and my current insanity playthrough. Today BW made a statement, asking for constructive critisism and asking aside from the ending, was ,ME3 the best Bioware game they delivered. Since I only played 3 Bioware games, yes, yes it is the best game I think they crafted minus the ending because it was so ambiguous. I think people need to stop raging, regardless of how disappointed we are. We need to show Bioware in a respectable manner that yes, we are disappointed in the ending, but give critisim on the game as a whole, rather than one part. Overall the story telling in ME3 is excellent, and people need to talk about ME3 as a whole rather than insatantly complain about the ending, no matter how pissed of it makes you. I say, lets be patient, game came out 2 weeks ago. Let Bioware explain this ending to us, and then we decide if their vision is acceptable to the characters, story and lore, or not. Thats all
U know what's funny, ken levine doesn't even let anyway read the story or know what's going to happen in bioshock so that they can get a good perspective. I imagine that he will listen to input, but some people love their project so much and are so sure of their abilities that they are ultimately going to do what they want. What saddens me the most is that if this forces bioware to change the ending and give it out for free, EA is gonna be pissed. And we can say goodbye to studios having freedom over content. I'd rather live with the ending than give justification for corporate to make content or artistic decisions.
"I'd rather live with the ending than give justification for corporate to make content or artistic decisions." If the quote from the writer is true, then the ME3 writers had their artistic freedom restricted. The way the writing was set up was to have group input, but with the ending, only Casey and the lead (Walters) had any say in what happened. That's a bit different from one guy deciding from the start about what was gonna happen throughout the whole story.
I don't really care if the poster is really a Bioware employee or not, what he posted would have been a great ending.
Interesting post... I like to see something like this also :) "I wanted to see banshees attacking you, and then have asari gunships zoom in and blow them away. I wanted to see a wave of rachni ravagers come around a corner only to be met by a wall of krogan roaring a battle cry. Here's the horror the Reapers inflicted upon each race, and here's the army that you, Commander Shepard, made out of every race in the galaxy to fight them. "
The statement you copied and paste also caught my eye to the point I did the same. Although your input says what I was thinking to do. This would have been great to see something in the lines of this ending As to the article a lot of the read makes senses.
That sounds like the ending to Dragon Age: Origins.
Seems to me (if this is indeed legit) that they cut all those things with a purpose... DLC. Hudson can go f-himself for thinking he can get away with this. Not only did they lie (twice) about the DLC but now this...
I don't know who to believe, apparently Chris has said it's fake but people on the forums are bringing up to stuff to make me think that part of it could be true Although with whats gone on since ME3, I don't know if Bioware can be trusted so it makes me think this could be true. It's easy for Bioware to come out and say "It's fake" isn't it...
Priestly could be attempting damage control. He's ... " contradicted" himself multiple times in the past so yep EDIT: I still think its fake though.
This poster (whether legit or not) just wrote a much better ending than what's in the actual game. All the alliances that were built up, yet you saw nothing of the real fight, the real emotion... instead you're left to talking to an AI and making one decision for a silly cut scene with no emotional connection to the game whatsoever.
You didn't get to see half of the forces you've gathered on Earth at all. Where were the Blue Suns, Blood Pack, Eclipse, Batarians, Drell or the Hanar. Where was my Volus bombing fleet? And whoever this guy is, whether this is fake or not, has great ideas. Something tells me this could be legitimate as he talks about 'peer reviews'. That by itself proves nothing, but when you consider the huge dip in the quality of writing in those final minutes... I don't know. It's something I could believe. If it is true Casey Hudson and the writing lead are hugely arrogant.
Yes I know exactly what you mean and I feel the same way. The whole Citadel/Catalyst thing was poorly done.. In fact.. when Shepard said to the Reaper on Rannoch, hinting that isn't the true form of the reapers, but was a race conquered... will we ever know what they look like? Where they came from? Which part of the Galaxy they go back to? And Harbinger's true form... may be small in the scope of things, but I was hoping that these will be answered.
THAT IS... INTERESTING. Okay, forget some of the stuff I said before, I am WAY more open to changing the ending if this is true, and there was that much infighting with the writers. Seeing all my allies stand together and giving each race and character a chance to shine: THAT'S what i signed up for. And the poster seemed to really share my opinion too. I'm totally okay with what specifically happens at the end, I just wanted more. Sappy as it sounds, ME3's biggest crime was not saying goodbye.
Whether this particular instance is true or not, I've gotta believe there was infighting over this. The rest of the game was brilliant and then it abruptly drops off a cliff at the last minute. There's an undeniable quality drop in the writing. It's like Leonardo da Vinci was putting finishing touches on the Mona Lisa and decided to paint a turd on her face. That's Mass Effect 3.
My thoughts exactly. The post makes a worrying amount of sense. Especially if 'peer reviews' were utilised to make sure the writing was of a high quality. The sudden dip at the end seems to lend credence to the theory that Casey Hudson and the writing lead wrote the finale by themselves.
Wow somebody at Bioware actually understands how we feel? How did this person (if they really are Bioware) get snuffed out when they had such great ideas. Seems ridiculous that something like this could actually happen...but it happens every damn day in companies like this. Bioware needs to be as good as Bethesda and learn from their mistakes AND CORRECT them without forcing their fanbase to fork over money.
I say let the ending stay. But, if they are gonna remake it, how about this. U can choose to save earth or the rest of the uniberse based on ur score, but instead of simply sacrificing urself, u sacrifice earth.
i actually like what the guy said- banshee attacked by asari, rachni vs krogan? Sounds good.
I knew it... something was fishy about the stupid ending
"I wanted to see banshees attacking you, and then have asari gunships zoom in and blow them away. I wanted to see a wave of rachni ravagers come around a corner only to be met by a wall of krogan roaring a battle cry. Here's the horror the Reapers inflicted upon each race, and here's the army that you, Commander Shepard, made out of every race in the galaxy to fight them." I WANT THAT! Ugh... they left so much to be desired with the whole thing on Earth.
IKR! Whats the point of "galactic readiness" if it doesnt matter at the end?!?! Maybe all the content they had planned didnt justify the $60 price tag so they just cut it anyways for future DLC!
Always knew Hudson had the Cliffy B douchebaggery aura to him. Sounds like fans need to stop being mad at Bioware/EA and aim the nerd rage at him.
I think its pathethic. I didn't like a lot of endings I have played throughout the years but I didn't ask for the dev to give me a new one. I hope they charge the moaners 10 quid each for a new ending.
... Im glad BW decided to change the ending! I felt so ripped off at the end... Its like playing Gears 3 or Uncharted to get half way with a quick plot hole ending...
Ok so what now Mass Effect 3 defenders???? YIKES damming for sure....this just keeps getting worse and worse. I was gonna buy this when it hit the bargain bin now forget it....this is just a total disaster and I'm severely at EA and Bioware. Last Bioware game that I bought was ME2 and it will surely be the last as long as EA helms this developer.
I have nothing to say about the conflict over the ending that hasn't been said better by others, but will writers please stop using the term "slams" in every damn headline? So cheap and ubiquitous. I expect many disagrees. That's cool, baby. I said my piece.
Children in third world nations don't even bitch this much when they don't get the bare minimum to survive another 24 hours. You people are downright pathetic.
Like this article. The writer seems sincere and in fact this kind of things happens quite often in writing groups. Who knows the reason this happened. Perhaps they where pressed for time, perhaps they Casey wanted to leave his mark on the series and did not wish to have any collaboration towards the end. But he is correct. Mass Effect is at its best when narrative is told through action and story. It would be interesting if they made a documentary of this , one day perhaps, like they did with a Tribe Called Quest. Stranger things have happened.
Management mess up everything in the working world, they never truly listen to their employees. They just all for themselves, even if sh*t hits the fan. Then they realize through their thick skulls, the consequences of their actions. Everything in Mass Effect 3 should of been a team effort, don't exclude the ending!!!
Patrick Weekes wrote ALL the best parts of ME3. Mordin, PTSD Asari(in the citadel), Blasto, Charr and Erba(Korgan poet)
Kinda sucks that he's getting put on blast like this... Interesting read though.
This guy did a great job on the parts where he had more control. Too bad he didn't have more control at the very end. I'm looking foward to seeing more work from him in the future.
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