Nintendo Universe writes: Wedbush Morgan Securities video game analyst Michael Pachter has expressed his belief that the Wii U won’t be as popular as Nintendo expect, citing his previous statement that they’ve released it a few years too late.
just as long as i'm not forced to use motion controls in my games i don't care i'll shell out the money for the wii-u. i had a wii and hate'd it i just can't get into motion controls. same thing for kinect and playstation dildo.... oh i mean move.
true that man. Motion control work well with some games but not for most of them.
Mr. Pachter is getting more annoying with each new prophesy. Not that I disagree with this one mind...
this Damage as a result of playing much call of duty's to our current generation .. and beyond ! but i don't agree with you about "this one" !
Aye, that's fair. I'm not claiming to actually know anything of the sort; it's just that I believe replicating the Wii's smashing success can be very difficult indeed.
well with the stuff ive heard about ps4 and 720 if true hes right, it wont be as popular or anywhere near as popular as nintendo expects
You are wrong. It's not about power. Mario, Donkey Kong, Zelda, Smash bros, Mario Kart is all nintendo needs in order to have a popular system.
Pachter:Nibiru coming this year. Its true.
well it's gonna be very difficult for nintendo to capture the casual gamers interest with the tablet controller like the wiimote was, the novelty was up to the roof with the remote, it's also hard imo to Grab sony and ms boys to it imo the biggest selling point of wiiu is the HD Nintendo games but I could be 100% wrong, no one knows, it might sell at a rate faster than the wii, look at 3DS
I think that if anything, the tablet controller will make the casuals go ape****, but that is just my opinion.
let's be honest here. What will dictate Wii U's success is its price. If the console launches at more than $300 (even $350) it will not succeed just like it happened to the 3DS at the beginning of its life cycle.
Lord Pachter, the noblest of all gamers, I salute thee.
The Wii U is going to be a problem with people who have 3-4 kids, they will be fighting to play it. so i see not many buying it only hardcore gamer's not casual gamer's.
I think he underestimates how badly people want to play Nintendo's first party games in HD. If this thing is priced right (between $299-$349) I don't see how it can fail. It might not end up being as powerful as the Xbox 720 or the PS4, but the differences will be minor in comparison to this current generation. I cant wait to play a new Pikmen game in full HD, same with Zelda and Mario. (Edit) @GamingTruth Get off your high horse, the PlayStation brand is usually not the strongest console power wise, when Sony decided to go that way, it made the console really expensive and difficult to program for. The Xbox 720 and PS4 will probably be very comparable to each other. There probably wont even be a reason to compare them side by side, which seems to be so popular to do these days. Keep dreaming if you think Sony is dumb enough to put all kinds of tech into their next console.
good luck with any platform being as powerful as ps4
Good luck with any platform being as powerful as PC* There, fixed it for you.
if what ive heard of ps4 is true, the ps3 will be the last sony platform pcs will be more powerful than the ps4 will be the top dog in power in a gaming platform noticeably fat, ps4 and 720 wont be according to the news ive heard and what are the chances these two corporations will make two machines of the exact same power no the cell processor was an experiment and is still something new to the gaming industry as it is one of there older renderfarm chips in sony pictures studios so ofcourse it was hard to develop for sony dumb enough? well first and foremost being that the corp is primarily japanese, then theres no such thing as sony being dumb, and secondly im sure sony and microsoft have sucked up enough cash to not care about sales units this time but for one thing i know for sure, is that there is no way that sony or microsoft will make platforms that will be put in the spotlight again and picked apart by pc gaming fags that un rightfully bash the machines and "superiority" of pc, you pc fans will pay for your never ending fanboyism of your pc platform and bashing a machine of sony and microsoft, and youve been doing it for a good 6 years yeah you can hang it up son, with the way i heard its set up also is that the cost of the next playstation will be up to you really
. Noticeably_FAT favors the 360 so it must be hard for him to admit that the PS3 is powerful lol. The reason why the PS3 was initially expensive was due to Blu-Ray and the PS2 hardware. The PS3 being difficult to program for has nothing to do with power lol. The PC is more powerful than the PS3 does that mean it's more difficult to program for lol? It would actually be "dumb" for Sony NOT to release or aim to release the most powerful console next gen. It could separate them from the competition and be a selling point.
Pachter is always wrong with his predictions and it doesn't seem it matter whether he's right or wrong he's still getting paid apparently, If this guy said all life on earth will not end on December 2012, you better kiss your ass goodbye.
I Really hope all of the fan-boy's hype is lived up to with the ps4 and xbox720... People have these systems on a cloud and we know next to nothing about either one just yet. So while you guys are waiting for what you think will be the "second coming" ill be enjoying my WiiU games this year!!!
Has Nintendo said how well they "expect" the system to sell? I think they're realists, business-wise, which is why they've been so successful, so I don't imagine they're having crazy expectations...
Just my opinion, but I personally dont see what the Wii-U is doing to innovate as much as the Wii did, but I dont care either way. IF Nintendo can just simply put out more AAA games at a FASTER RATE than they've been doing with the Wii, N64, and Gamecube, then it WILL succeed. Give us 2-3 mario's, 2-3 Zelda's, and a bunch more (I never considered Mario Party and mario kart as AAA--their fun to play with friends, but dont capture the same magic as a dedicated mario or Zelda, Smash Bros, etc game). Although taking 4 years to make 1 game might cause it to be very polished, explain to me why the biggest games (in size) like GTA can produce 3 GTA's in 1 generation? Yet nintendo spends 4 years making 1 game. The average life cycle of a system is 5 years (wii got lucky by having more). I dont wanna buy a system just for my favorite game series to get a sequal at the end of the lifecycle. Nintendo should do like what they did with mario galaxy--Take a great game engine, use the toolkit in it and make a sequal. That way they pump out more games faster (but not in excess like COD) by utilizing the same game engine again. They did the same with Ocarina of Time and it's sequal, Majora's mask--and the free time they had to work on majora's mask (since the engine was already built) allowed them to experiment with more creative idea's. Majora's mask is still one of the most creative, innovative Zelda's ever because of the use of a previously used engine. Some Idea's just seem like common sense, but yet companies overlook these ideas for some reason.
Patcher was right about a Wii HD coming out
Actually he wasn't right, because he stated that Nintendo should release and update to the wii-mote system of the Wii by making it HD. Nintendo has done much more than that by introducing a whole new method of gameplay with the WiiU console.
WHAT exactly is Nintendo offering with the Wii-U that cant already be replicated with a PS vita/ps3 bundle or Microsofts rumored NextBox having a screen on its controller? Yeah it's sneaky that their copying Nintendo, but is a big screen with touch controls really all that innovative in a day and age where tablets, cellphones, Ipads, Bank/ATM Machines and the Nintendo DS/3DS have already the existence of touch screens a normal everyday thing to us? Hell, even my cell phone from 4 years ago had touch screen and a tilt chip/and possibly gyroscopes. Please someone explain this to me. And of course I'll get tons of thumbs down for no reason--but i'm not trolling, people. It's a very serious, legitimate question that Nintendo needs to consider. They need to have something more or else Sony and MS can easily take their casual fans. Especially since their working on a more advanced Kinect for the NextBox. In terms of their CORE Wii (not hardcore nintendo old school fans) audience, the Wii-U is sorely laking in viable motion gaming solutions. The Wii-motion plus technology cannot compete in the next gen. It took Nintendo forever just to make a decent 1:1 game with Skyward Sword. They need a new motion controls scheme (whether you like it or not, motion controls are what sold the wii). Now microsoft's Kinect is gaining popularity (even though it doesnt have alot of good games at all). --BTW, I'm a BIG Nintendo fan (but never a fanboy of any company), and I've owned more Nintendo systems (about 6) then sony or MS. I owned PS1, sold my PS2 within first 3 months of its release because it bored me, then recently bought a PS3, and NEVER owned (but had access to) microsoft/kinect system(s)--and even I (as a bigger Nintendo fan then a sony or MS fan)can see that Nintendo must come out with something that is as innovative as the first wii. Think about it before you rage. If you cant really answer the question, then something is possibly wrong. (Oh and Nintendo games finally being in HD is not a good enough excuse wince we should've had HD and Online ages ago).
Well you ask a baited question, because obviously as of right now Nintendo has yet to even unveil all that the WiiU is capable of. So how can anyone answer any pertinent questions consumers may have as of right now! All that can be assessed from what is known currently, is that many developers are excited about this system that Nintendo has created and its been awhile since we've heard 3rd party companies talking about a Nintendo system like this
okay, but let's just play devils advocate here. Assuming that what we've seen is really just a tablet with touch and gyrsoscopes. What exactly is that doing that will capture either the Sony and MS loyal, or even the previous WII CASUALS/motion gaming fans(not including nintendo fans who buy anything with nintendo labeled on it). With that, go back to my previous statement and answer that. IF we've seen at least 80% of what the Wii-u's final product will be (in terms of what it offers in gameplay), then would you still say that it is really enough? Would you honestly say that casuals will flock to a tablet controller instead of a new Kinect (NO i'm not a microsoft fanboy--never owned a MS console)? Would a tablet controller really be able to curb the temptation of a possible PS Vita/PS3 bundle as replacement? I love nintendo, but seriously it looks like if they dont come big with some kind of innovation, they may have much of their audience (other then the old school nintendo loyal) customers cornered. Just think about it, even as a loyal nintendo fan it's entirely plausable to imagine the motion gaming fans who's first gaming system was wii, may likely flock to kinect or any sony motion device that is in the works for ps4. MOTION sold the wii, but nintendo thinks it was their long time loyal fans (such as myself) that got them the large numbers. But it isnt, because why did the gamecube sell relatively poorly, then? Because only the loyal nintendo fans bought it. And apparently it will take more then just us to get the Wii-U off it's feet like the Wii. Also: as a side note, I'd love to keep discussing strategies that could help nintendo capture it's causuals while maintaining the hardcore, but I'll need more bubbles...so help me out guys.
1. it's cheaper 2. it actually interacts with the screen, which I have not seen the Vita do at all. 3. It's got a senor to allow wiimotes to interact with it, like golfing, and that wouldn't even be possible with the vita anyway because the damn screen is too small. 4. It has NFC 5. The Vita is selling terribly right now so no sane developer would develop for both the ps3 and Vita 6. Nintendo is actually going for it instead of sony, once again half stepping it. The bundle is the deal right there, sony is too much of a pussy to have a vita and ps3 only bundle I could go on, but the list would be too damn long
Pachter isn't as popular as he expects. Now, in another take, I love Nintendo, I love Nintendo games, but if they dont start giving away real information soon to media (graphics, games, something), and start some advice campaign to the common user (we in N4G know things, but final users know nothing), then I dont know how they're planning to sell the console this year.
Pacher is a smart person , he is never wrong
Look Nintendo hasn't told everyone all its features simply because 1. They know their competitors will steal them as usual and 2. Because they systems has been constantly evolving. If they tell everyone now all the exciting things it can do, what will the tell us at E3. They have to make everyone wait until June and then open the floodgates showing off all their ideas and new games. Of course we all want information on what it can do different compared to other tablets, Vita/PS3 combos and current gen consoles. But everyone really doesn't seem to understand the impact E3 has on their future. They know they should have shown the system last year and they admitted they made an error at last years E3 by not showing it off. This year their E3 presentation has to be jaw dropping in order to convince all gamers (Core & Casuals) that Wii-U is the system everyone must have. Pachter can make what ever predictions he wants on Nintendo. All gamers know everything he says are just guesses anyway. He has no inside information, he knows nothing about hardware or game development and he's probably not even a gamer at all. He is just someone to advise investors and honestly he's not to good at that.....I mean shouldnt he have told everyone to invest before the Wii came out....but I digress, he wants to just get attention by making claims and what if scenarios and then backtracks his words with I cant make judgements until I have more info. If that's the case, he shouldnt be advising anyone on anything Nintendo until he has his facts period.
For all those using the excuse that Sony or Microsoft will copy the Wii U if nintendo releases information about it, get off your high horses! It's crazy to think that nintendo has never taken inspiration from someone elses idea! The same goes for the other console makers. It's pretty evident that Apple has played a role in their decisions with the tablet controller, however big or small the influence was! It has been the way the world has advance technologically for thousands of years. Some of us are so stuck on our fanboyish pettyness that it's near impossible to see anyone elses point of view! I for one am glad that someone took the initiative to advance the rudimentary stone wheel into what it is today. And that my friends was "One too grow on!"
And Apple got inspiration to use Touch Screens after Nintendo had a huge success with the original DS...... Next lets look at the deffinition of the word you used Inspiration : in·spi·ra·tion (nsp-rshn) n. 1. a. Stimulation of the mind or emotions to a high level of feeling or activity. b. The condition of being so stimulated. 2. An agency, such as a person or work of art, that moves the intellect or emotions or prompts action or invention. 3. Something, such as a sudden creative act or idea, that is inspired. 4. The quality of inspiring or exalting: a painting full of inspiration. 5. Divine guidance or influence exerted directly on the mind and soul of humankind. 6. The act of drawing in, especially the inhalation of air into the lungs. I will assume you want choice two, which prompts action or invention. Well lets see, Nintendo takes inspirations and makes them into household gaming uses: Rumble,Joysticks,Motion controls,Touch screens,Button layout,GBA camera,3D ETC. Sony and MS are not looking at Nintendo and saying..... oh they inspire us to make games the same way or better,they actually DUPLICATE the same techniques because Nintendo made them mainstream.If Nintendo wasnt succesfull with those would the two others still be so inspired???? Nintendo may not have created any of those, but they made them core mechanics of gaming because of inspiration. MS and Sony and NOT INSPIRED by Nintendo, as they always claim Nintendo is doing its own thing!! Funny though years later, Nintendo's things become mainstream gaming uses. GBA CAMERA = Eyetoy,Kinect,Move SNES CONTROLLER LAYOUT= PS1,PS2,PS3,XBOX,360 controller layout. N64 RUMBLE PACK= Dual shocks / Xbox controllers GBA to GAMECUBE connectivity = PSP/Vita to PS3 N64 JOYSTICK= Dual joysticks on Sony and MS DS Touchscreen = Vita Touchscreen/Ipod touch/Ipad/Smartphones GBA games like Kirbys tilt and tumble lead to Nintendo making a Wii remote = PS3 Sixaxis,Move,Kinect Thats not inspiration......thats taking someone else's uses of ideas and copying them because they see its making money and they want in !!!
Also what about touchscreen ATMs Cash registers, Huge manufacturing company's that use touchscreen keypads out years way before consoles even hade an idea they could be use for gaming applications. But of course every fanatic has to joined at the hip with the belief that the company they support is the one that created it all!!!!... So so sad . Just one question, or a couple media disc, who thought that one up? What about Two thumb triggers not only on the controller, but also ona handheld console. I'm here for discussion not a battle. I've seen the birth of modern gaming, and I've reveled in what it hade to offer me.
So what you are telling me no improvements have been made as far as the borrowing of ideas? Because if you say no, then something is wrong with your perception of life in general! Let's take modern day medicine for example the techniques used to advance healthcare to where it is now, has been built on the same principles of what is considered to be universally! But year after year there are advancement made that how should I say enhance or build upon the basic principles of what came before it prior. It does neccessarilly have to be the person who initially made the discovery! If so we would still be in the stone age. Technology changes hands daily and ideas are shared daily. As I recall it's all about who brings it to market, which is stupid in my opinion, because it kills creativity, but nintendo is no different than any other company, and to have someone tell me they are, that person is living in a dream land, world, dimension far from reality.
it seems pachters got it in for nintendo. but i think he's wrong on this. I reckon the WiiU will do well.
I want to know what Pachter thinks about MS plan to allegedly not have a disc drive, and completely prevent used game sales? I want to know why Pachter is taken seriously with his statements on WII U when he doesn't know anything about the final build, price, or anything. I want to know why, if he thinks if its unfair to comment on the next MS console without more information, why is he spewing bulldust about the WII U? I want to know why he never comments on the legitimate concerns regarding DLC, and why he doesn't represent the customers views on these issues? I want to know why we should genuinely care about a business analyst who doesn't give a single solitary fruit about his own statements, or demonstrate genuine honesty in regards to errors in judgement past-tense.
Everyone's picking on my poor, innocent, defenseless WiiU.
Pachter waa right all along! He predicted the Wii HD - and that's exactly what we're getting. The Wii U is a HD Wii. A current gen console.
The wii will be outsold by the ps3 and 360. The psp will be outsold by the ds because of the graphics The 3ds will not do well and handhelds are doomed When it comes to nintendo this guy doesn't have a clue
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