What does this mean for the sequel?
350K in its first month in the USA ... ? The 360 version alone of FF13 sold 490 000 in its first month. Thats more than FF 13 2's 360/PS3 combined sales. I didnt really like FF13 but I'm a FF fan and this almost makes me sad .. Not the fact that the game flopped but that it has come to this. Absolutely terrible sales for a FF game. For info FF13 sold 1.3 million in its first month. Terrible sales I tell you.
even being multiplat from the get go couldn't save FF13-2.... Better stop f#@King around SE and get verses13 out!! I think they should rename FFvs13 to Final fantasy: Verses..... take out 13 from it completely!
This might be news to you but Square as a company was defunct years ago and with it Squaresoft.
Stop calling SE Squaresoft, thats insulting for the late Squaresoft.
Articles like this really tick me off. 1) The ps2 had a far larger install base than the ps3 did. So any side game is going to sell less 2)ff type zero sold 500k on a system thats sold 20 million more than the ps3. So are we going to say that's terrible? No we arent. They are trying to generalize and make it seem like being in second place is a bad thing. It isnt.Kingdom of A was in fourth place with far worse reviews and lower sales yet I dont see this same kind of venom.......... If sales was an actual indication of quality which is what they are trying to infer wii fit is the highest quality game this gen selling over 50 million units worldwide
XIII sold 1.3 million in the US. What does that tell you about XIII-2. And why is it ticking you off? These are the sales numbers, deal with it.
That tells me that side games always sell less than the main games. ff type zero sold 500k on the psp and people enjoyed it just the same and as much as people are enjoying 13-2 Apples and oranges. When ff 15 comes out if you feel like doing the same unfair comparisons be my guest I hope you will do an article comparing the sales of mass effect infiltrator to mass effect 3.
@tantobanto ff type zero has still only been released in japan though. When it gets localized I think it will do pretty good numbers. 13-2 has just really had poor sales all around. 350k first month? I had to make sure I wasn't reading "first week"
How is FFXIII-2 a side game? Its a sequel the same as God of War 2 or Mass Effect 3. Sales indicate people's interest. You can have a quality title but if there is no interest or demand then quality means jack. Unfortunately I guess people felt burnt by FF 13 which is sad because FF 13-2 improves on everything people complained about in the first game. I still want to ask why you think 13-2 is a side game and why side games should be expected to sell less.
I felt like I had been burnt by FF13. Last FF game I bought was FF3 on the SNES but wow, how two games from the same franchise could be so far apart in terms of playability is beyond me. Played the FF13-2 demo for about 5 minutes, Serah's overly enthusiastic squealing combined with her overly gay sidekick was enough to convice me this wasn't really going to be any better. I'll have a sniff when it comes down to about 1/4 of the price that being asked for it now.
Your last FF game was FF3? Lol did it even have a storymode? You missed the peak days of FF, FF6 to FF10, basically when Sakaguchi left it became shit.
X-2 did not have a larger install base, XIII-2 its multi platform. Type-0 has little to do with XIII...a game many people did not like, this tells me that people did not like the world if XIII but still like Final Fantasy in general. XIII-2 , is a great game and its sales suffered due to many XIII consumers not being satisfied...I believe any informed fan can understand that XIII Versus our an entirely new game....which I personally feel should be upgraded to XV and fabulosa nova crysalis should be scraped....that brand has been tarnished....unfortunately.
Take this guy's comment with a grain of salt. He said he wants a 13-3! LOL! http://n4g.com/news/957222/...
No, sales aren't the only indication of quality. What these low XIII-2 sales do indicate is a damaged franchise. It means there won't be a XIII-3. I means that Versus XIII will most likely be renamed.
Correction: "sales aren't AN indicator of quality".
@Tantobanto, How come many other sequels don't seem to have this problem? XIII-2 isn't a side game either it's a sequel. You can argue for XIII-2 all you like but the thing is, people generally were not pleased with XIII and they skipped XIII-2 because of it. A majority of fans wanted SE to move on from XIII. You are also comparing apples to oranges with a PSP game released only in Japan and a PS3/360 game released everywhere.
BIG FF fan here... bought XIII (even though i was dubious) and will never buy XIII-2. BIG Level-5 fan incoming. goodbye SE, you chased the money and paid heavily for it
XIII-2 is very good....no need to hold a grudge....this entire industry revolves around money including Level-5...although I am very excited for nino kuni.
I think another reason XIII-2 didn't do well is because it re-used so much. No new monsters, only 2 party members, the same environments, re-used music tracks. There was also a decrease in graphics. Not to mention they made Serah and some random dude the main characters.
I disagree. only reason why that game sold as low as it did is because people were disappointed by XIII full stop. people that liked XIII went on to buy XIII-2. I do agree that SE got the main characters wrong. Square Enix had the chance to make a really amazing game here. what it should've been was a direct sequel to the ending of XIII, where the remaining characters try and "uncrystalize" Fang and Vanille, maybe with the NORA joining in (I really like Lebreau :D). the life of the new Cocoon resting on Gran Pulse should've also been explored. imagine being able to explore Bodhum, Eden, Palumpolum. (all these towns much more open like old FF towns) and then hopping over to Gran Pulse. could've been amazing.
The PS3 version of the game came in 7th place on the indivual sales chart according to gaf.
Game play is important but in a final fantasy game, story and game play must be of same caliber. 13-2's story is trash. And 13's gameplay was tedious and unrewarding... If 13-3 is going to be amazing then everything needs to be up to the standard we expect from a FF title! That said many felt 13 was inadequate, not to mention a lot of the hysteria Square had around the game. For one it being exclusive to one platform, then going multi, then delaying for simultaneous release, then including all the DLC planned for the ps3 in the international version that released only on 360 in Japan, when they said the 360 was never gonna get FF in Japan, and the constant delays of versus 13. It's sad but Square largely butchered the FF brand this gen by chasing the dollar, its understandable that you have a business to run and profit margins to release but fans of the franchise largely got a turd when all they wanted was a gem! It's my belief that if you're an industry leader with a powerful brand, you simply cannot sacrifice quality for a quick buck or you'll be rewarded justly... 320 in arguable the biggest market for a brand like FF on consoles is pittyful. Activision is the only wild card who can churn out a turd with phenomenon. No FF has ever sold this meager, even FF12: revnant wings and X-2 Sold more than 800k worldwide for life time sales. Versus 13 will likely suffer the fate of being ignored because of the state of the brand with Square right now!
"Versus 13 will likely suffer the fate of being ignored because of the state of the brand" I've thought about this, though I'm hoping it isn't the case. On the plus side, it seems like most fans have already separated the game from the rest of the XIII's. So maybe there's hope for the game. I'd hate to see 6+ years of hard work (and anticipation) go down the drain. Just because it was linked to an unpopular game. Especially since there seems to be little actual connection between the two.
Since X-2... my beloved Final Fantasy has been gasping for air.. sadley,she just drowned. Real fans would agree, newcomers and poseurs love the trash its degraded to..
Just stop hating on this game seriously.. XIII and XIII-2 are freaking amazing.. I don't know why it became so "cool" to say crap about them
because they are a disappointment. to alot of people.. it has nothing with being cool? the game failed to deliver to alot of veteran/fans of FF. plain and simple.
While I agree with you that it does seem like it has become the "cool" thing to hate on this game, it does deserve some of it. As soon as 13 became multiplat the hate started. At first it was obviously just blind fanboy hatred that xbox received a ps3 exclusive. But then the game released... and it was just really bad :/ People argued that it was the 360s fault because of that article that said that they had to cut out half of the game. That could be true or not, the main point is that Square really dropped the ball on this game, and pretty much every game they've released on consoles. I honestly believe that the rise of Wrpgs have caused alot of hatred for not just FF, but every Jrpg and its really unjustified. Sorry for the whole story I've just written lol >.<
I agree with everything you said except for saying that it was really bad.. Maybe in the beginning it's pretty much walking forward and seeing a cutscene, but if you keep playing for 20 more min instead of judging it (unlike what other people did), you'll be interested in the story, the music, the characters, that it will feel just like any other amazing Final Fantasy game.. In XIII-2 Square listened and you can't say they didn't because they actually created big areas that are not as linear as before, and even implemented quick time events to appeal to gamers that love WRPG.. People hate on it for no reason, and I can promise you that almost half of the people that hate on it, or say that this game sucks probably haven't even played it..
Yea, I did exaggerate on it being very bad. I did like when it started to open up at chapter 11. I grinded my ass off till all characters where as maxed as they could be for what they allowed. I agree that the people who said it was terrible probably didnt put enough time in the game, but can you honestly blame them? Having to put 20 hours into the game until it starts to become exciting isn't really a plus. I myself only played that much because I'm a huge fan of the series in general, but compared to the other entries in the series this one was just not nearly as good. My biggest complaint was the level caps put on per chapter. It just didnt remotely feel like a FF game to me. But hey, if you enjoyed it thats good. I like games that people feel are bad, doesn't decrease the quality to me at all. We are gamers, agree to disagree haha. EDIT- Just realized I'm out of bubbles haha >.< if you want to continue this discussion just PM me. I appreciate us being able to have an actual discussion instead of a shouting match. Also, dont know if I made this clear, but I did play the game till the very end. Would've beaten it to if my PS3 didn't die :c
I wouldn't say they're freaking amazing but I enjoyed my time with both. Even with their faults their good games. However, I understand the hate completely. The reason its many people hate on them is because in many respects they're both several steps back for the series and proof that Square Enix doesn't know what people meant with their feedback. Take FF12 for example. If you compare and contrast FF13 and FF12, you'll see the gameplay is very similar. The difference is 12 is slower but far more complex. The main complaint about 12 was it was too slow even compared to turn based and it was too complicated so what does Square Enix do? They sped it up and simplified the gambit system a little bit too much with the paradigm system(making it where the player's control is very limited). People still wanted control of every member of their party and the depth that FF12 had but the gambit system was a little too convoluted to jump in and understand without explanation. In FF13, the system is simple to get from the start and there is only a little depth in it. Once you learn the advantages and disadvantages of each class such as the ravager boosting the gauge faster but making it less stable or the commando stabilizing the gauge but barely making it go up or how you can strategically delay your attack to bridge the gaps between attacks, there really isn't much else to get. Along with that, they stripped away most of the remaining weapon/character customization options from previous games and made it the most linear FF game. Even FF10, the most linear FF before 13, had a lot of customization(such as weapons and aeons but also ways around the sphere grid's limitations built in) and a lot more interesting things to do on the side than just find and kill this quests which were also in 10 for capturing and creating new monsters. 13-2 corrected a lot of the issues 13 had but not every problem. The main issue is that game still plays itself and I'm not even talking about auto-battle, which is almost encouraged by the speed of the combat system and efficiency of auto-battle, but just the general lack of control of your party and things that you used to have control/or at least a strong influence over in a FF game.
Wow. I didn't think it would come to this. So fast anyways.(I figured it would take at least a couple more flops before FF started pulling less than 500K first month.) But this isn't all bad, hopefully SE sees this as a wake up call. Fans aren't afraid to let your (flag)ship sink. Don't ignore them. And could pick up the pace with Versus please? Or at least stop with all of the secretiveness. Edit: And for what it's worth, I didn't even think XIII-2 looked that bad.(I had planned to try it eventually). But if the game's failure means that Square will at least try to improve themselves. Then, I can't be too sad about this.
FF13 failed only because the only thing people want is a remake of FF7,8,9 and to say in my opinion FF13-2 was not that bad, you actually can use 3 party members if u get crystals from some of the people in the DLC or just use the monsters....but still they could do better and who knows we MIGHT hear about FFV13 at E3
I bought FFXIII on PS3 on hype... Biggest load of tosh I've played in a long while. - Annoying characters - Metrosexual overload - Boring redundant plot I learnt my lesson about following the hype train after that bomb.
The game was fun I have to admit. A lot more to do than ff13 for sure, but still somehow lacks that ff "feel." Maybe it is just me? If you haven't played it yet i suggest getting it used, otherwise, you could skip over this one just fine.
Sqaure has been terrible for a long long time. i hope they fail. if they would talk to me for five mintues i could tell them exactly what they need to do to succeed. 1 Uniquie Character Design (drop the bllond hair blue eyes) 2 world map 3 air ship 4 drop the class based system for strict abilities per character (it builds relationships with the characters) 5 materia or esper system, scrap all new garbage 6 new stories and individual character stories to buikd personality follow those and ill buy it over n over
give me versus and u ll get my money( especially if its exclusive). rented 13, was dissapointed, didnt bother buying it and 13-2. square, make ff playstation exclusive, listen fans, give it attention and u ll get sales.
Sounds like SquareEnix should take a deeper look and see what's wrong
I for one held off from buying the game (at this point in time) because of the episodic DLCs. I want to see more of these planned DLCs before I make any purchase.
I rented- it was better than I expected but a long way from Final Fantasy. I hope it gives them a friendly financial warning. Now I'm playing 'The Last Story' - problem solved.
I'll pick this up when it hits the 19.99 price then use the rest of the money on the DLC. FF XIII just wasn't RPG enough for me.
Bought FF13 day one cause i love the franchise but it failed me so hard, first FF that made me want to sleep and lose my attention. Not to mention the so/so story and horrendous battle system. Its only saving grace was the graphics and high quality CGI scenes. So yeah why would i give sales to a sequel of a game i didn't enjoy? glad it didn't do as well compared to FF 13. FF type-0(vita) & FFversus13 here i come. FF fan since 1999
I'm glad this happened because now they will actually think twice before they make another crappy game and ruin one of my favourite RPG series. Pityfull bastards. I hope the company rots and crumbles and comes to the point where they have one last ditch effort to bring the company back to fame. Just like what happened with Final Fantasy 1... ahhh.. the good ol' Sakaguchi days..
Lmao jeje good news just like MvC3 FAIL
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