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Submitted by wohoo 1026d ago | opinion piece

Has the Xbox 360 lost its way?

TVGB: "Has the Xbox 360 lost its way?

I have been an avid gamer of the Xbox 360 now since April of 2007. That’s a hefty amount of time spent plugging hours of gaming into one machine and it is safe to say I have seen the machine I love change considerably during its lifetime. This is down to a few essential things, each implemented for a few essential reasons. However, the multiple changes Microsoft make to the system’s interface have been met with mixed reactions. As a long standing fan of the console, what do I think about the changes? Well let’s see just how much the system has evolved over time…" (Xbox 360)

NukaCola  +   1026d ago
Microsoft knows exactly what they are doing. They have moved in on what Nintendo built and then are now moving the Xbox name towards Windows 8. I don't why. I don't know if MS wants their next gen to be about the UI on PC or what, but it doesn't look like it's moving forward the way games should. With Kinect on PC now, all I see is WINDOWS 8 is the Future for them.

And I don't like the current dashboard. It's boring, full of advertisements and looks like their UGLY phone UI. It's there for Kinect users predominately. What used to be important for XBL is now a tiny square underneath a giant Progressive Car insurance ads and it's a bit disappointing when NXE was so damn awesome.
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Dante112  +   1026d ago
"Nintendo were raking the money in and were beginning to widen gaming’s rather narrow audience. Microsoft caught on and began to widen their own audience but these companies do not seem capable of both appeasing the ‘hardcore’ gamers whilst keeping the ‘casual’ interested or vice versa. So as we can see in this pseudo timeline of sorts, I think that there was initially an improvement in the dashboards of the Xbox 360…but, to this humble writer and long time gamer, it feels like Microsoft has lost its way in a thriving sea of multimedia and kid friendly motion controls."

True. I know Halo 4 and Forza Horizon are coming out but it really is feeling like Microsoft has abandon the hardcore gamer for the casual motion control crowd this year. When are we going to see some new IPs like the Kinect is getting? I didn't buy the 360 for timed exclusive content on multiplatform games, I bought the 360 for it's fresh exclusives (Gears of War launch).
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enfestid  +   1026d ago
From what we know so far, Microsoft seems to have a fairly good lineup that balances core games, Kinect/casual games, and XBLA games. I'm not sure why it should matter if they're brand new franchises or just new entries in existing franchises.

I just don't see how having American Nightmare, Halo 4, Fable: Heroes, and Forza Horizon is a down year for hardcore games. What are the new IPs on Kinect for 2012 that you're referring to?

Seems like we'll have a good year for gaming in 2012, from both Microsoft and Sony. Nintendo's kind of up in the air because we don't know much about the Wii U's games yet, but I'm sure all three will be fine.
ABizzel1  +   1026d ago
I don;t think they've lost their way, I think their resources are just begin spread too thin.

It's obvious that the Nextbox is the big focus internally for MS. They've done little to grab timed exclusive DLC besides 10+ million selling games. Over the past couple of years their core exclusives have lowered in numbers while Kinect has been on the rise. Kinect is receiving most of the marketing for 360 vs core games.

In other words, the Xbox 360 did it's job of getting enough of the core that now MS only has to satisfying the core while focusing most of their efforts on the casual. MS toss out 3 or 4 exclusives and let multiplats do the rest of the work for them, and it seems to be working for them.

The rest of their budget is going into the Nextbox. MS claims they'll support the 360 after the Nextbox launches, but I seriously doubt it'll be for more than a year or two (don't expect PS2 levels of support). If anything you'll continue to get multiplat games that come out for all consoles (EA Sports, maybe COD, Movie based games, and a 3rd parties not yet ready to move on to next gen).

The 360 is know the Xbox Kinect. I expect MS to unveil their next console sometime this year or next year with a launch date for early 2013 no later than. Halo 4 is their big game this gen, it will be the last big exclusive for the 360, and people will buy the game regardless if a new console comes out or not.
EVILDEAD360  +   1026d ago
Microsoft NEVER lost it's way with the 360...
It's laughable how Micrsoft finding the successes it's seen with the 360 this gen literally having people pretending that they somehow 'lost it's way'

In the last two years alone..

- Released the best interation of the console with the 360 Slim

- Released new iterations of EVERY one of it's core major exclusive franchises.

- Successfully took over the motion control world by expanding it's audience with Kinect

- Successfully turned live into arguably the biggest media hub in console gaming.

All of this led to it's biggest year in history.

Sure, the fan blogshpere and detractors is going to continue to repeat the same old articles saying I hate the dashboard, I hate Kinect, I hate 360 exclusives, etc...but that's par for the course for ANY system.

At the end, of the day if millions of your install base continue to support the games, Xbox Live as a whole, Kinect etc, while millons continue to purchase your console, then clearly you are doing something right.

There is simply ZERO indications that the 360 has 'lost it's way'.

Evil
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BuffMordecai  +   1026d ago
@EVILDEAD360

You must be one of the most blind fanboys in the history of forever, and your continued 6 bubbles, despite a mountain of disagrees, is one of the great mysteries of this site.
EVILDEAD360  +   1025d ago
@ buffmordecai
'You must be one of the most blind fanboys in the history of forever, and your continued 6 bubbles, despite a mountain of disagrees, is one of the great mysteries of this site.'

Lol @ the fan children still who have ZERO comeback repeating the same old ancient line..'bu-bu-but your a blind fan kid'.

Please ENLIGHTEN me with your razor sharp vision if I'm so blind. Show me where I've stepped over some line that you have to whine about my bubbles.

THAT is why got to love these random fake account who bring NOTHING to ANY topic but claim other are the ones who are blind.

Classic N4G

Evil
StrongMan  +   1026d ago
You must be a Sony fanboy for not praising MS. /s

Funny thing is you pay a fee for that giant Progressive insurance ad, aren't paid subbs supposed to keep ads away?

I moved in June of last year and since then my Xbox has been in storage. Theres no games I want to play on it and won't be cauught dead flapping my arms like an idiot(good way to stay a virgin is to let girls see that, remember Dance Dance Revolution?). MS has clearly abandoned the hardcore and arcade downgrades and spinoffs of the same four games every year won't cut it. MS is so predictable. Next year they will release Gears 4, Forza 5, Halo 4 odst spinoff, and a Fable spinoff.

The hardcore knows MS is mostly focused on Kinect from now on so don't expect the hardcore to jump in on the nextbox so soon. 99% of Kinect games don't sell pass 300k and MS keeps cranking them out so why can't they take the same risk with new hardcore games? Because they don't care about the core anymore. They will just regurgitate the same four core games over and over and think thats enough.
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Godmars290  +   1026d ago
I don't MS has ever said paying for XBL would reduce ads. If anything they've only defended ads running in tandem with paid subscriptions were needed to support the "XBL experience."

Has always sounded to me that buying an Xbox, then having to get Gold for access to other paying services, the online features to games which more and more have become online centric, is buying an incomplete product.
gamingdroid  +   1026d ago
***Funny thing is you pay a fee for that giant Progressive insurance ad, aren't paid subbs supposed to keep ads away?***

You pay for cable TV yet, the ads are right there in your face every 10 mins. You pay (well many do) for movies at the theater, but the the theater shows 10-15 mins of ads before the movie! Heck the movie itself has product/brand placement (ads) that you paid to see or own!!!

Merely being paid, doesn't mean the provider can't find other ways to profit from you.

@Godmars290

It's easy to speak only of the negative, but of the other "free options" on consoles, did any one else provide a completely revamp of the dash even ONCE? I'm not even asking for 2 or 3 revamps like MS has done here.

Fact of the matter is that consumers DO HAVE *OPTIONS*, and clearly many see value in paying for XBL despite you (and many others) don't.
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Captain Qwark 9  +   1026d ago
lmao you clearly dont know anything about woman. kinect is a chick magnet, all you have to do is ask them to play some dance central and you pretty much are in.

a quick way to stay a virgin forever would be asking her to come play halo or forza or talk about how ms has abandoned the hardcore and now your panties are in a bunch.

i would really prefer they start supporting the core audience again but im not gonna be bitching or complaining if they dont. ill just do what i do now, play all third party games on 360 and when im in the mood for some solid exclusives, ill play my ps3.
SilentNegotiator  +   1026d ago
"You pay for cable TV yet, the ads are right there in your face every 10 mins"

"_____ started it!" is not an excuse for bad behavior. Most learned that before grade school.

And maybe you didn't know, but many are quite against the idea for paying for TV programming, especially with a third of it being advertisement.

And the movies, really? How about not showing up so early?
Septic  +   1025d ago
I'm sorry but how many times has the PS3 UI been updated?

The 360 dashboard has constantly evolved unlike the PS3's and anyone who thinks the latter console isn't in need of a change is just burying their head in the sand.

Yes, some of the aesthetic changes do leave something to be desired but it is a far cry from the lacklustre UI that the PS3 has.

No party chat, no private voice chat, slow-loading interface which makes the most basic of tasks a chore- this is what the PS3 interface is. In this day and age I think it is simply unacceptable.

As far as online play is concerned, the 360 completely eclipses the PS3 in that regard.
arnyftw  +   1026d ago
Yeah, they've become somewhat profit driven, they know they can get new consoles and people buying live if they release Kinect and COD ads. All they care about is keeping the COD fanbase and Kinect and releasing their exclusives again and again. Personally I dont care, the only 360 somewhat exclusive I have is Mass Effect, I only play Multiplats. And the 360 is usually advertised as the best console to play multiplats like cod on.
vsr  +   1025d ago
I think It's already lost its way on All countries ( Except USA & UK to some extent)
JellyJelly  +   1026d ago
I think MS will grab an even bigger market share next gen.

They have done an amazing job this gen and seem very much in touch with their audience. I expect lots of work going into making Xbox Live even more immersive as well.
Godmars290  +   1026d ago | Well said
And its sad that as a gamer you're thinking more of their market share than your own market quality.
gamingdroid  +   1026d ago
Frankly, I think the quality has been better than ever. The fact that studios are failing, publishers getting larger and the market is flourishing with games, suggest there is fierce competition that is healthy for the industry.

I have no issues finding QUALITY games to play as my backlog can testify and therefore see no issue. In fact, there might be too many games.

However, as a multiple media consumer, I openly accept the Xbox 360s new direction. I have found I use it far more now than ever before, and that means more value out of my purchase. How is that bad?

In fact, this new direction might just encourage more people to play games that normally would never touch a console.

@JellyJelly

I think Xbox as a brand is nearing the Playstation brand recognition overall (as this changes by the market) currently since the Playstation brand has declined. Nintendo despite shrinking sales, likely has the strongest brand of the three right now.

That said, on a new console cycle, all three manufacturers get to "insert coin and try again" i.e. time and time again, we the previous generations standing is uprooted.

That said, I think MS is best positioned for the future, as evident by the Xbox 360 evolution this generation. Well... except for the lack of IPs, but that seem to be less and less relevant, as other factors are now gaining in importance.
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Half-Mafia  +   1026d ago
I think MS will have a big % of next gen market share aswell. But thats not cause of games we want, thats because of this new push MS is making the 360 out to be (Kinect & Entertainment) and for that exact reason is why ive not bought a new 360 after mine RROD and I why I wont be buying the next Xbox.

Ive got much better platforms to play my games on PC, PS3,Vita.
GraveLord   1026d ago | Trolling | show
j-blaze  +   1026d ago
i agree with you, just ignore the haters and let them bark all they want...

"between 360 and ps3" i think that...
-360 has the best racing game on consoles: Forza
-best action adventure: Gears of War
-best fps that have both good story and fun online: Halo
-best traditional JRPG: Lost Odyssey "this game is the main reason why i have a 360"
-better and secured online and xbla games
-over 80% of multiplat games are better on 360

@ pwnmaster3000

yeah, yeah action adventure tps, happy? you....

@ KingElixir

lol repetitive? i can say the same thing about that overrated series called Uncharted!
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thehusbo  +   1026d ago
Lol jog on u troll..
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pwnmaster3000  +   1026d ago
Lol action adventure gears
NatureOfLogic  +   1026d ago
@ j-blaze
And yet none of those games that you've listed makes me want to go out and get my first Xbox 360. Same boring repetitive list if you ask me.
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Hicken  +   1026d ago
I can play that game, too, jblaze. PS3 has:

Best racing franchise ever: Gran Turismo
Highest-rated Action-Adventure: Uncharted
Best 1st Part FPS: Killzone
Best JRPG: Valkyria Chronicles
Better Multiplats when the lead system: PS3(I mean, if you wanna be stupid about it, we can play that game, but it's pretty much been shown that any game developed on PS3 first tends to have a big advantage over the 360 version, instead of the minor advantage the 360 versions have over PS3 versions. But I digress.)

Oh, and security on XBL ain't lookin too good right now, either.
baodeus  +   1025d ago
@j-blaze and Hicken

So both of you just listed best games (based on personnel opinion) on whatever system you owned.

Why don't you guys just go a head and get both? Wouldn't that solve the problem of this redundant bickering?
BuffMordecai  +   1026d ago
They do an amazing job at shitting on their fans, but they keep buying, so bring on the shit.
torchic  +   1025d ago
Microsoft were very lucky this gen. they are where they are today more because of Sony's faults, rather than their own ingenious market strategies. they were just at the right place, at the right time, with more or less the right product to capatalize on Sony's flop decisions.
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Knight_Cid  +   1026d ago
of course. Gamewise worldwide microsoft doesnt make as much money as nintendo or sony or generate as many games
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DiRtY  +   1026d ago
WTF! Sony would kill to be in MS position right now. Have you even read about the 2 billion USD loss Sony reported? MS reported 6.62 billion USD profit!

Sonys Consumer Products (Includes PS): 1.1 Billion LOSS
Xbox Division Profit: 528 Million

Consoles sold in 2011: 15m 360, 14.1m PS3.

MS is on track I would say.

*edit* disagrees with facts incoming!
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gobluesamg  +   1026d ago
Who cares about your sales facts broseph! It's about quality not quantity. The number of consoles sold for all companies is high enough that they should be providing their respective customers with great unique games but Microsoft is failing to do so. I just can't believe that people on both sides care so much about who sold more. Get a frickin life!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Knight_Cid  +   1026d ago
I am not hating on microsoft its just a fact.

Sony does more than games, and so does microsoft. Sony is in the position its in because of its tv business, not games.

And lets use all the numbers

Consoles sold total: 65-/+ 360, 63+/- ps3, 80+/- psp

you tell me who is having the better time of it in terms of game hardware?
CGI-Quality  +   1026d ago
Apparently, Microsoft outshipped Sony last year, but sold less to consumer. A toss up either way.

In the grand scheme, it comes off as you'd rather play profits/revenue than games. One thing's for sure, no matter what you say about Microsoft, Sony hasn't lacked in the gaming area for a few good years now. As a gamer who bought a gaming machine to play video games, I'm pretty satisfied.

My only real gripe with Microsoft is the lack of software that caters to me - but then again, it's not all about me. They have to do what they have to do. Still doesn't mean Sony is in the wrong for following a different plan and despite Nintendo ALWAYS making more profit than Sony, the PlayStation brand was able to dominate two generations in a row based solely on what games and features it brought to the table, which weren't on other consoles - not how much money they made.
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Rainstorm81  +   1026d ago
Why would you compare Sony Consumer Products to Just Microsoft Xbox Division??

Why not Sony's Playstation Brand vs MS Xbox Division??

Is it because it would be detrimental to your point?
DiRtY  +   1026d ago
@CGI

I answered to "microsoft doesnt make as much money as nintendo or sony" That is just wrong and you come up with: "In the grand scheme, it comes off as you'd rather play profits/revenue than games". FAIL! Especially from someone who "has posted in the forum 27,441 times which averages 21.26 posts per day" on VGC talking about sales.

@Knight_Cid

Read carfully: Sonys Consumer Products (Includes PS): 1.1 Billion LOSS
Xbox Division Profit: 528 Million

this has nothing to do with TV business. And I can't believe you want to include PSP to show Sony sells more. This is a new low. Next time we compare software sales, let's just add Windows and office. -.-
CGI-Quality  +   1026d ago
Your condescending attitude shows just how bad your argument is. What I've posted on VGC is irrelevant to what I was saying, especially when you won't find one, not even one, post where I proclaim sales > games.

Not really a point to continue with you.
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gtxgamer2  +   1026d ago
Maybe they should work on getting more exclusives then timed DLC.
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C0MPUT3R  +   1026d ago
Xbox is no longer trying to be like PlayStation.
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Dante112  +   1026d ago
No, they're trying to be like Nintendo. :(
_Aarix_  +   1026d ago
Actually its more of a hybrid.

As a core gamer, gears of war, alan wake, fallout, blue dragon and portal have kept me occupied enough.

I cant imagine having the time any money to play more than that.
CGI-Quality  +   1026d ago
It sure felt like that the first couple of years. Then again, that made sense - they expected, like most of us, the PlayStation to dominate for a third time.

Now that it's been established that the PS3 will never be the market leader, they've gone after the big dog. May not be the most ideal event for gamers, which is arguable, but it's certainly helped their pockets.
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Deeloc  +   1026d ago
what! games coming out for xbox this year???????
HappyWithOneBubble  +   1026d ago
NONE!
YodaCracker  +   1026d ago
Only a couple hundred games are coming out this year. It's really getting bad.
R1CAN617  +   1026d ago
Advertisements? you mean the old spice commercials cause those are the only advertisemts i see besides video game related ones but i love seeing those when i log in "hey i kinda do feel powerful POTATOE CHIPS!!! SMASH!!!" Lol
MmaFan-Qc  +   1026d ago
sry but if i pay for xbox live, i dont want their shitty ads shoved down my throat.
hellvaguy  +   1026d ago
U must never, ever turn the internet or tv on using that logic.
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YodaCracker  +   1026d ago
I use Xbox LIVE for hours every day and am not bothered by ads in even the slightest way. Seriously, how do these dashboard ads negatively affect me? I honestly can't remember any specific ads because I don't even look at them. It's not like an ad you are forced to watch before your show on Hulu or your video on YouTube. You have really got to be desperate to attempt to bash Xbox LIVE because of its ads.
The Rock Bottom  +   1026d ago
MS doesn't have anymore franchise to steal away from the playstation brand. Thats why they are in limbo with their identity among the consoles this gen.
MmaFan-Qc  +   1026d ago
MS barely have 4-5 good exclusives per year.
Farsendor1  +   1026d ago
xbox 360 back catalog is still good surely mostly people haven't completed all the older exclusive games. anyways imo i still think the best combo is ps3 and pc. the 360 isn't a bad console it still has a lot of good titles just not many recent new titles.
ironmonkey  +   1026d ago
this kinect family can stuff can only last so long
cstyle  +   1026d ago
Has ms lost their way? Doesn't look that way. They were first out the gate this gen and will be first next gen. They launched Kinect and keep improving xbox live and services. They have sold 3 times as many consoles this gen than last and continue to dominate sales here in the US. They own a bigger market share than they used to. The next xbox will continue to strengthen the brand. In my book those are big wins.
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Blaine  +   1026d ago
Are you an investor?

Or a gamer?

Enjoy playing kinect and talking about sales then.
cstyle  +   1026d ago
are you jealous?
Or just a hater?
I will enjoy kinect and let MS enjoy the sales. At least their camera is put to good use and didn't fail like eyetoy and ps eye. Thank you.
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Blaine  +   1026d ago
lol where do I mention eyetoy or ps eye? You're the hater.

And by the way, I'd rather have camera peripherals that fail than have one shoved down my throat. Since you're going to bring up Sony (I didn't, you did), I very much like the direction they've always headed and are maintaining, that is: supporting their core audience.
baodeus  +   1025d ago
@Blaine

1. Are there more core gamers vs. "casual gamers"?

2. If what you said is true (Sony cater to core gamers), that mean Sony doesn't want to expand their brand? There is saturation point for "core" gamers right? How else can they expand if that all they focus on?

3. Do you think it is a good business decision to cater to a niche crowd and refuse to expand your market?

4. Do you actually know what Sony really wants as a business corporation?
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BitbyDeath  +   1026d ago
@server-1, not sure if you heard but the Wii U is releasing this year. Nintendo will be first out the gate.
DebateMaster  +   1026d ago
Meanwhile in the rest of the world...
OmniSlashPT  +   1026d ago
MS doesn't care about games or gamers, all it matters is money. Kinect generates a lot of money, so that will be the future along with that tablet crap OS that they call Windows 8.

Why spend money and time developing new titles and games when you can just remake or rapidly develop a crappy sholvelware that sells millions?

Nintendo and MS are going for the casual gaming. Sony seems (I have no idea what they will do next gen) that it's the only one keeping with the 'serious' gaming. Just look at Vita, it doesn't matter if it's a killer console or the games sell millions, it's just a freaking good gaming handheld.

That new Valve console could change the industry as well. Nintendo and MS in the casual side, Sony and Valve in the 'hardcore' side.
Hovis  +   1026d ago
Yeah but remember that at the end of the day you have to make profit in order to continue your business.

Microsoft know how to make profit and yeah it would be nice to see more exclusives coming out on the 360 other then Gears and Halo at the end of the day they are doing the job.

Microsoft have created huge brands that are bringing in the moniez. Halo and Gears are I believe much bigger then say their PS3 counterparts. Yeah maybe not in the gaming community such as this site but as a worldwide brand recognized but gamers and non gamers.

At the end of the day money is important but new, exciting and original games are just as important because they help to keep interest.

Nice catch 22 situation :)
Gamer-Z  +   1026d ago
Ah the "CasualBox" yes it was a great system when it first launched in 2007 as The Xbox360 it was a time when MS was more interested in hardcore gaming instead of motion controls, mii wannabe's, raping the consumer with XBL, and having adverts shoved in your face.

@OmniSlashPT

Totally agree that's the same impression i'm getting towards the end of this gen.
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IM_KINECTED  +   1026d ago
I think its lost its way if your a PS3 fan. Though I think for the average gamer or a gamer who has multiple consoles don't think that way.

Why would someone complain about the dashboard looking like the Windows Phone? They are trying to integrate the two and have a similar setup so it can be easier to use.

Nobody is forcing Kinect on anyone, blame Microsoft all you want because Kinect is successful, but Sony tried to get in on the motion control bandwagon the same as Microsoft, just to a much less successful level.

I'll say exclusives matter much more at the beginning of a console cycle then the end. Which could be part of the reason the Xbox 360 took off the way it did, it had some of the first true next generation games.

Now that all of the consoles are pretty affordable I think it just comes down to preference. 2011 wasn't a banner year for exclusives for the Xbox 360, but the ones they had were all stellar quality and that cannot be denied. Microsoft ended up looking even better for not going out on a limb with new IP's and taking risks because they ended up number one world wide and there were so many wonderful third party games out.

Sony suffered a bit because they competed with themselves, often releasing games too close together and some games with little to no advertising. I understand it can be fun to beat your chest at the number of exclusives released, but if your not actually buying them, there isn't really a point to it all.

I don't see how Sony fans can bash Microsoft for not putting out a ton of new IP's and games when they aren't even buying the ones Sony is putting out.

I think most new games will feature Kinect in some way, I'm fine with that. Mass Effect 3, Halo CEA and Forza 4 all showed that Kinect can be used in a way with "core" games.

This year we are seeing the biggest core franchise return and its returning with Master Chief.
There is supposed to be a new IP announced for the Xbox 360 later this year, we've seen Alan Wake's American Nightmare and we'll be seeing The Witcher 2, Forza Horizon, which is a new IP in a new genre that will feature open world racing. There is Fable Hero's, Fable The Journey, possible new Gears game, rumors of a new Killer Instinct reboot and more.

I don't see how anyone could think the Xbox 360 has lost its way. I believe Microsoft has done everything they can to help make the Xbox 360 a true entertainment hub and they seem to get crucified for that.

Lets try and keep things in perspective, we need Microsoft just as much as we need Sony in the console business. They play great off of each other and I just don't see why people need to bust on one or the other.

I've defended Nintendo, Sony and Microsoft on this site and sometimes it gets old.

Play what you want, but let others do the same without getting trashed and trolled.
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CGI-Quality  +   1026d ago
I agree with a good deal of your sentiments here, but you should also look at it from an Xbox fan's perspective - not just a PS3 fan. Why/how would/could a PS3-only fan care if the 360 has "lost its way"? If you're only on one system, you have no clue about the other one(s).

This comes from a disgruntled Xbox fan spouting his personal opinions of the way things have turned out. I see nothing wrong with that, especially when his points, for the most part, lack any kind of insult to the Xbox.
IM_KINECTED  +   1026d ago
I think fanboys on both sides only care about numbers. If a Sony fan sees a chance to knock the Xbox 360 down a notch they take it, same with the Xbox 360 fanboys.

I've seen lots of articles similar to this, but asking things like "Has the PS3 lost its way?" or "How the PS3 failed this generation?" and those almost always do not get approved.

Also, I've noticed most people that comment probably don't have the system they are commenting on, but just want the chance to troll and cause trouble.

If you sift through the people who actually have an Xbox 360, you'll see for the most part they are happy. Its the people who don't have one or who support a different company that aren't happy with Microsoft.

I personally don't want any of the companies to go belly up, maybe people aren't realizing that this is a tough economical time and these companies cant afford to lose a ton of money. They are taking the safe bets and doing what they can to make money.

I think its funny that people act like Sony cares about gamers but Microsoft doesn't. In reality, its all about money for any company. If you aren't making money, then you aren't going to last very long.
StrongMan  +   1026d ago
@I'M_KINECTED

" I think fanboys on both sides only care about numbers. If a Sony fan sees a chance to knock the Xbox 360 down a notch they take it, same with the Xbox 360 fanboys."

" I've seen lots of articles similar to this, but asking things like "Has the PS3 lost its way?" or "How the PS3 failed this generation?" and those almost always do not get approved."

Here are two of them that did get approved that YOU submitted:

"How Microsoft Sold More Consoles World Wide In 2011, And Why It'll Stay That Way In 2012"

"From First To Last, How Sony Lost Their Hold On The Majority"

http://n4g.com/user/news/im...

Looks like you are one of the fanboys that care about numbers and knocking Sony down that you speak of.

" Also, I've noticed most people that comment probably don't have the system they are commenting on, but just want the chance to troll and cause trouble."

Any proof, research, survey, or study to back that baseless claim that you pulled out of your butt?

"If you sift through the people who actually have an Xbox 360, you'll see for the most part they are happy. Its the people who don't have one or who support a differentcompanythataren't happy with Microsoft."

So in order to be unhappy with MS, like the author who posted his gamertag, you can't possibly own an Xbox and you have to be a Sony fanboy? Nice fanboy logic. With that logic I can say anyone happy with MS's current casual stage is lying and won't admit their dislike for it because they are Xbox fanboys. Like how they keep going on about how Forza 4 is the best racing sim but none of them actually bought like the 7.3 million that bought GT5.
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hellvaguy  +   1026d ago
"Any proof, research, survey, or study to back that baseless claim that you pulled out of your butt?"

Anyone can cut and paste a small survery out of hundreds to prove your point. What you can do easy enough is look at the agree to disagree ratios on pro-sony vs. pro-ms posts and you can see which way this site is baised towards.
MrBeatdown  +   1026d ago
"I don't see how Sony fans can bash Microsoft for not putting out a ton of new IP's and games when they aren't even buying the ones Sony is putting out."

Speaking of being "trashed and trolled," we have someone passing off his baseless assumptions as fact, just to imply some sort of hypocrisy among the PS3 fans on here.

Any way you can prove that the same people you're seeing criticize Microsoft for a lack of exclusives aren't buying PS3 exclusives? Someone is buying them. Why do you assume the people criticizing Microsoft AREN'T among the people buying them?
Nozzle  +   1026d ago
Oh shut the hell up IM_KINECTED

All you are is a troll.....a troll calling other people trolls because they can see that MS don't care about them as gamers anymore and at the same time are automaticaly Sony fanboys....great logic ¬¬

I hate the way you troll by calling Sony then at the end of your comments try and make out your the goodi twoshoes defending both sides.

Microsoft have lost their way.......END OF STORY

Back in 2007 when they were doing well with gamers it was all about exclusives, support and how much a company cared about it's fanbase, it's what nearly every 360 fanboy went on about, especialy on here back when it was pro MS....now that Sony has past those things and done them better the rules have been changed to make it all about sales, profits, marketing, how much money a company has..........I mean really, are you a gamer or a shareholder.

I just can't believe 360 fanboys call anyone a Sony fanboy if they can state the facts about MS and not be blind.

I love how you try and mask how much of a 360 fanboy you are by playing the "I care for all consoles" crap, like how it's so obviously seen in your profile. Just stop it....it makes you come off as a hypocrite at the end of the day
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EVILDEAD360  +   1026d ago
@ IM Kinect very Well Said +bubz..

I won't go into detail on what you said because many of what you describe about the state of the comments from many in this site in particuliar has been intimated in the past from quite a few of us.

At the end of the day, the internet bubble of the console war banter doesnt represent the outside world when you log off.

On Topic, the article simply was some fan blogger nitpicking the dashboard changes. Literally a subject that has been repeated AD nauseum but sites after EVERY single dashboard change since the very first.

Bottomline Microsoft has found immense success with the decisions they have made in regards to Xbox Live and I for one have loved how the 360 has evolved year in and year out.

Evil
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edonus  +   1026d ago
No....MS if anything is forging a new path. I say they are adjusting to the market. They have constantly been releasing good games all the blockbusters sell more on the 360. They did an excellent job with kinect and snatched up some of that casual market. If you look at the other guys you will see big wounds in their foundations. Nintendo did great growing the market but couldnt fully capitalize because of the weakness of their system so they were the last to this console cycle and the first ones out.

Sony is still running things the way they used to, which is fine for the traditional core gamers but as you can see by their position in the market being the ones who have sold the the least consoles they are not in tune with the market. They dominated last gen and are clearly out matched this time around.

MS has positioned itself to dominate the next console cycle. They are cultivating and training their market for what they have in store. They truly have destroyed the competition this gen with a solid and versatile business model.
TheGamingArt  +   1026d ago
They didn't 'loose' their way. Everyone has just been too blind to see that the only thing they care about is MONEY. Dumbasses.
Blaine  +   1026d ago
Not everyone...
Optical_Matrix  +   1026d ago
I think they have but, the way I see it, the only thing that really bothers me about them these days are two things

1) Xbox Live is a paid service
2) Where in f*cks name is my Lost Odyssey 2

My PS3, Vita and 3DS are my main gaming systems these days. Hell my PS3 has been since I got it 5 years ago while my 360 is reserved for fighting games and the ocassional multiplat and my Wii for its various exclusive gems.

Thinking about it, if you're a multi console owner, like myself or you don't own a 360 full stop, you have no right to complain about the situation. With all the exclusive games that Sony and Nintendo are releasing for their home and handheld systems, I personally wouldn't be able to find the time or money if Microsoft started doing the same. I have plenty of games to play on my Xbox 360 personally ranging from Street Fighter x Tekken next week to The Witcher 2 in April.

While I hate Microsoft, they make a good product I guess. Hell I own a Windows 7 Phone so I can't hate them that much? They just need to fix up and start providing games but Microsoft is a company known for dropping support/fans in favour of more lucrative endeavours.
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AceofStaves  +   1026d ago
I don't think Microsoft has lost its way at all.

Microsoft has succeeded in establishing a strong gaming/home entertainment brand with Xbox 360. While they have shifted focus away from more traditional "hardcore" gaming, they've expanded their service to provide a wide range of entertainment experiences for their consumers.
gypsygib  +   1026d ago
I think so, MS feels they already have the core audience and want to expand market share by going after casuals...which is a great idea IF they can hold onto the core.

Problem is, core gamers don't care about brands as much as they do about games (which is why so many switched from Nintendo to Playstation to Xbox) so who ever is offering the most best games will have the core gamers.

MS went from spending money to have the best big name exclusives, which they achieved, to only having Halo going into next-gen.

MS fought so hard for the core gamer and has been throwing them away ever since Kinect launched. Why buy a NeXbox over PS4 if 99% of NeXbox games can be had on PS4 (and next-gen I doubt PS4 will be hard to develop for so multiplats won't look/run worse anymore and have free online).

Even if Infamous, Resistance, Killzone, etc. don't sell gangbusters, they're still quality games that would generate a lot of excitement with next-gen iterations, and Uncharted, God of War and Grand Turismo are already huge. Also, you never know when a game franchise might explode, just look at COD or BF.
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JoeSchmoh  +   1026d ago
I won't buy an Xbox because they're known to breakdown a lot and all the games you buy on Xbox live you can't play unless you have an internet connection. It won't even play movies I download. Now the PS3 on the other hand does all the opposite of what I just typed. I never understood why people buy the Xbox, but I figured it out. It's the fanbase thats keeping it's head above water. When you actually look into the Xbox and what it has to offer it's a really big rip off. They charge you for their online service, something that should be absolutely free. So people are paying over 50 dollars a year to have cross game chatting with friends online while playing a game? Such a rip off.
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edonus  +   1025d ago
You clearly havent spent that much time with a 360. The breakdown issue was a concern......2 years ago since they released the new console and more like 4 years ago if you consider they extended the warranty and gave replacements for free.

You can play games that you bought online without an internet connection.... what you are talking about only happens if you dont roll your license over to another console and its easily done.

Like I said you clearly havent spent much time with the 360, it doesnt only have cross game chat but the experience is completely customized for the system. Its motion controlled voice controlled and standard controller. Fast firmware updates and smooth updates. I would compare it to going to a club.....you can go to the local bar and yes there is music and liquor or you could come to the Clubs on the Vegas Strip with the free drinks in the casino leather couches and lounges, Waiters and theatrical dancers for ambience. Its just a more luxurious experience.....so it costs to get in. You pay for quality.
Nac  +   1026d ago
As someone who owned and favored the Original Xbox, yes, the successor console has lost its way.
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captainjy  +   1026d ago
I don't understand how crap like this even makes it to the top. This isn't an article of fact. it's some tool's subjective perspective. Postings like this are only meant to instigate. Sure, I think the Xbox is superior to the PS3, but I need to shove it down people's throats. To each their own.
PirateThom  +   1026d ago
Hence being listed as "opinion piece".
CDzNutts  +   1026d ago
Neither platform is doing bad. The only difference is that last gen, only Sony did well. Nintendo (GameCube) and Microsoft (Xbox) did poorly.

What's happening now?

Sony is still doing well. Microsoft and Nintendo are too.

I've been an exclusive Sony gamer since PS1 simply because that branch of gaming serves me best. I still can't deny that M$ and Nintendo have caught up....which means more competition between the Big 3 and more for us to play.
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Game3s  +   1026d ago
Has the gaming journalism lost its way?
BitbyDeath  +   1026d ago
Not really lost it's way, they're just too busy riding the money wave and got themselves a big head like Sony did when they first launched thinking they are invincible.

It'll be interesting to see where things go nextgen.
guitarded77  +   1026d ago
Microsoft has built themselves a huge brand with the 360. Sure the original XBOX was their in to the video games console game, but the 360 has made XBOX a real brand. They have done a great job this generation appealing to a lot of different groups of consumers. With a little effort, they could win back the core that are upset with their current business model... if they announced a few quality core IPs there would be some excitement from core gamers again. I'm primarily a Sony gamer, but I'm excited for The Witcher and Halo 4 coming to the 360. If they announced a new Crimson Skies, a new exclusive action/adventure IP and an exclusive RPG or shooter, I'd be excited. I don't care that they support Kinect, I think it's good, I just wish they'd give the same attention to exclusive core games.
PersonMan  +   1026d ago
I bought a 360 about a year ago, and it hardly gets used. My PS3 is so much better at everything. Plus, since Uncharted 3 and inFAMOUS 2 are my favorite games, it really makes me wonder why I have a 360. What a boring console that thing is.
SDF Repellent  +   1026d ago
Ok...and your point??
PersonMan  +   1026d ago
My point is... PS3 has all the games... xBox does not.

I'm not into Halo
I'm not into Gears
I'm not into Forza

I am into Uncharted
I am into inFAMOUS 2

What does the 360 have that the PS3 doesn't?

Seriously if the 360 had games like the PS3, I'd use it more.
Gamer-Z  +   1026d ago
Hello it has Dance Central.

Lol Sorry i just had to go there ^_^
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Sugreev2001  +   1025d ago
They haven't been the same since late 2010,when Kinect was launched.The new 360 UI was made for Kinect users,and it's nowhere near as user-friendly for us non-Kinect owners as the NXE.I wish they'd invest in more core games,because Casual "gamers" are fickle and this strategy clearly wont help them in the long run.

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