BF3 Dev Details Incoming Tweaks to Spotting, Reveals Least Popular Map, and More
MP1st - Lead Gameplay Designer, Alan Kertz, details some upcoming changes that will be making its way to Battlefield 3′s spotting system. He also touches on how different PS3 controllers can have an effect on responsiveness.
(Battlefield 3, PC, PS3, Xbox 360)
Yea i hate Tehran it's laggy as hell for me that's why i always try to skip pit.I think another 6 months for this game in development would have helped it out alot but no dumb EA rushed them>:|.
PS3 controller input lag is what ruining this game for me ... just for ppl to understand what Im sayin, play one match for BF3 (rush or conquest) then play BFBC2 or BF1943 ... you'll exactly understand how worst, sluggish and input lag aimin controls is ruining BF3 on PS3 ... u simply cant aim for hell in bf3 cuz it keep swirlin around like a loose rubber lolllll.
Aim control are 100% responsive in BC2 and BF1943.
Yeah, it's probably the worst controlling FPS game I every played. I'm pissed too because I could have easily bought for 360 but got it on PS3 due to a LoT comparison.
Just played Halo Reach recently and it's remarkable how perfect the analog controls are.
Tehran Highway isnt Tehran highway its just Tehran underpass with a load of snipers ontop of the highway getting 133t snipes. They didnt make it anything special at all. Its not truely a night map just a little bit harder to see. The flag layout is boring they dont even use the interesting parts of the map out of fear it will be "too big" for console players. A lot of the maps could use some tweaking, enlarging, adding of flanking routes, less choke points, more vehicles, and more flags.
I don't feel any big difference between the Sixaxis and Dual Shock 3. I think the whole input lag issue falls on DICE and their poor post launch support in terms of fixes.
i bet if the irnv was never touched by tweaks, tehran would have been the favorite map. the maving to top of high way is currently the main reason no body likes it.
The highway section should have been integral to the map's gameplay with all vehicles being able to drive across from one end to the other. Would have given the map much more of a Battlefield openness feel.
I don't like it because it's the only map I get intense lag on. The added sniper scrubs and OP vehicles make it even worse. I normally quit every time that map comes up.
and audio spotting is even worse. I hate audio spotting a lot, use your ears to listen to where the enemy is coming from.
Or at least do it like MAG did. MAG did it real well where the game outlines the direction of the sounds depending on the distance, instead of painting the target on the minimap.
And I still think the general balance is broken too, and hopefully the new patch fixes that. Engineers are still too good at everything but the patch sounds promising in that regard. BC2 had it better where, as an Engineer, I was really forced to fear other infantry due to my SMG restriction and silencers killing my range.
I don't know about the auto spotting, don't really notice it, i don't think its in console versions, but yeah the decent weapons are all getting nerfed, the engineer class is simply too damn OP in the whole game.
I didn't like the M98B is going to get nerfed so that all the bolt action rifles have the same damage. I think the proper way to patch it would be that after a certain long distance a shot should be an immediate kill. if you hit someone at 300 or 400+ distance it should be immediate kill for a bolt action. At this point there is no need to really use the bolt action since you have better chance with the semi-automatic rifles.
At least it sounds like TDM on Tehran will become a little more acceptable according to the recent patch notes. They're supposed to be increasing the play-area size, not to mention fixing that stupid MAV glitch.
Lets try to not fix the things that need to be fixed? MAV explot... Gun over head glitch (still there or am I behind?)...
But my own personal dislike is the fact that the health in this game seems to be increasing (at least to me). It feels like it was alot easier to down someone in the beta and it gotten increasingly harder as the months crawl by.
It's not health, its them weakening the guns because people are crying to nerf everything. What happens? Our real guns get nerfed meanwhile shotguns become way OP. They are catering way too much to the noobs. I know noobs sell games, but that means ill play less.
I still don't understand how a shotgun can be overpowered. Its a SHOTGUN! Have you seen what one single pull of the trigger can do? Now if people start sniping with them okay. But buckshots can kill up to 100 yards. The only shotgun they should patch is the USAS 12 w/ frags.
ok DICE. I don't know anybody in their right mind that are still using a Sixaxis controller instead of a DualShock 3 this late in the gen. Be honest, the games controls are f'ed up on the PS3 and you need to fix them. How are we supposed to have some sort of newer controller that works better for your game? Or a specific TV that's tweaked in the settings to make your game control better? Are you insulting us?
As another user posted
I want DICE to rationally explain:
-If it's the TV and not the game, why there is input lag on BF3 using the same TV with game mode turned on, with the PS3 but NOT with the Xbox 360?
-If it's the TV and not the game, why there is input lag in BF3 but NOT on BFBC2 or COD 4 using the same PS3 and TV?
-If it's the TV and not the game, why didn't the BF3 beta not have any input lag on the same PS3 and TV?
I have to agree. Their BS excuses are really making me dislike them as a company. I mean honestly, just fix the problem. Either that or admit "Yes we Effed up and yes we are fixing it." Instead it's "try this, try that, this could be an issue, or that is an issue so fix it."
Enough excuses. If it was a TV problem, controller problem, or whatever then EVERY GAME WOULD HAVE THE ISSUE. Guess what? They don't.
I thought this problem was just random people complaining in order to hate BF3, but it isn't. I witnessed it myself on my friends TV, and the game is hard as hell to play because of it.
DICE set themselves apart by bringing higher standards, so where are those higher standards? BC2 was awesome, Medal of Honor had no support AT ALL and BF3 has problems blamed on everyone but themselves.... Come on DICE, or should I call you Sludgehammer Games?
They didn't say it would fix it, they are desperately advising anything the user can do to HELP the situation.
Input lag is additive, even if most the lag is on their end, bits and pieces can be removed on the user end.
Why WOULD they come out and rationally explain it given the response they've been given whenever they say anything at all about it? Even if they came out and explained exactly whats going on, they'd get nothing but vitriol in response. Until they fix it, they should stop bothering to deal with all you frustrated people, its futile.
is there anyway you can just play one map only? i do not want to leave the server and jump back in to play my favorite map. i do not like switching from map to map... i play maps i like to maps i can not stand without a choice. the input lag on ps3 is just piss poor on Dice part. the maps are ports over from the pc version without being tweaked for the console. this is Dice second "cluck up" for me. i am done with the series. i am just waiting on Dust 514 to come out.
it's really bad :( using LMG's with the input lag is kinda like holding a hose-pipe far from the nozzle and opening the water to full. you have no control.
at this point I've given up hope because I know it won't get fixed soon enough. I have SF x Tekken waiting in the wings so no worries.
I would even take the old beta code if it would mean that input lag is gone
Am I the only one who can't understand why DICE isn't fixing the C4 glitch?
The glitch where you throw 1 or all the C4's on, let's say your car. Then you leave the car, press detonate, but instead of blowing up, you just toss another C4, even if you don't have any more of them. This is extrimly frustrating...
This also happens sometimes if you just throw 1 or 2 C4's at a random place, then try to detonate.
I have had this C4 glitch happen to me a few times now. Its rare but does happen, and always at the wrong time. This is on PS3. I have never had the input lag though, (luckily). I do believe its there as too many people have it. Its a game breaker and needs patching, and quickly for those who have this problem.
personally, the input lag makes the game more realistic. It takes some time for a person to bring a gun up to aim and then shoot it. its not instant like in COD and other games.
It adds weight to the guns and I think its a non issue.
unlimited mortars are my only complaint with the game right now.
Ya right dice it must be that the DS3 is better for the input lag, my ass I have 4 DS3 controllers (one of which is 1 month old) and they all play the same, crappy because of your screwed up code. And 2 televisions that are under 4 months old a 51 inch 3-d 1080p Samsung plasma and a 42 inch 1080p 120hz 1080p Vizio, by reviews the Plasma has a 5 millisecond response time when in PC mode which is what I play in and BF3 is the only game that has input lag. Fix your screw up and quit blaming it on hardware.
Funny thing is if they opened back up the beta on PS3 they would probably have more people playing that than the retail version.
Have u notice its gotta worse??? I Lose every CQC encounter cause of input lag><.....you know that good feelin you get when you flak the enemy and you got 2-5 guys back to you, we'll I don't have it cause I'm afraid I won't be able to kill 1+ due to the F'd up controllers. Only if I catch a guy running vertical to me do I own him......thats if the gun doesn't kick all over the place even while burst firing.
@ddurand1 Why would we play a game that is broken when the beta wasn't? Adapt or sell the game? Don't be an idiot, DICE need to fix the game instead of giving piss poor excuses. Not as big of an issue as people claim? You are obviously talking out your ass with comments like that.
The game is broken, if you have followed this like I have than you would already know that EA/DICE have admitted it is a problem that they will fix "eventually". But to me eventually means pretty much anytime from now until doomsday and this should of been one of the very first fixes in this game. But if you do search a bit more than you would know DICE has already admitted guilt to it.
I haven't met anybody who has input lag while 80% of my friends' list is people who play BF3 every day. I wonder... maybe it only happens to Region 1 players?
This is one of the main reasons why i don't like the MAV. It's silly that you have people hiding while flying around bonking people on the head with it. While trying to destroy one takes way too much effort.
Tehran highway is least liked because it's too narrow whats worst is those cheaters with the MAV. Dice needs to fix cheaters being able to stand on top of the MAV and flying up to roads overhead or top of un-destructible buildings.
Just make it so that why they stand ontop of it they fall through. Fuking simple.
The other day i saw one of my team mates about to fly up to a building on Karkand and i purposely shot a red gas tank next to him and killed the cheating bitch. Yeah i hate anyone who does that.
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Aim control are 100% responsive in BC2 and BF1943.
Just played Halo Reach recently and it's remarkable how perfect the analog controls are.
But for the most part its one huge lag infested tank battle that usually lasts close to 1 hour, which is way too long for me.
And I know it's not just me because Tehran clears out rooms fast ha.
Would have given the map much more of a Battlefield openness feel.
The auto spotting is a joke: http://www.youtube.com/watc...
and audio spotting is even worse. I hate audio spotting a lot, use your ears to listen to where the enemy is coming from.
Or at least do it like MAG did. MAG did it real well where the game outlines the direction of the sounds depending on the distance, instead of painting the target on the minimap.
And I still think the general balance is broken too, and hopefully the new patch fixes that. Engineers are still too good at everything but the patch sounds promising in that regard. BC2 had it better where, as an Engineer, I was really forced to fear other infantry due to my SMG restriction and silencers killing my range.
I didn't like the M98B is going to get nerfed so that all the bolt action rifles have the same damage. I think the proper way to patch it would be that after a certain long distance a shot should be an immediate kill. if you hit someone at 300 or 400+ distance it should be immediate kill for a bolt action. At this point there is no need to really use the bolt action since you have better chance with the semi-automatic rifles.
MAV explot...
Gun over head glitch (still there or am I behind?)...
But my own personal dislike is the fact that the health in this game seems to be increasing (at least to me). It feels like it was alot easier to down someone in the beta and it gotten increasingly harder as the months crawl by.
As another user posted
I want DICE to rationally explain:
-If it's the TV and not the game, why there is input lag on BF3 using the same TV with game mode turned on, with the PS3 but NOT with the Xbox 360?
-If it's the TV and not the game, why there is input lag in BF3 but NOT on BFBC2 or COD 4 using the same PS3 and TV?
-If it's the TV and not the game, why didn't the BF3 beta not have any input lag on the same PS3 and TV?
Enough excuses. If it was a TV problem, controller problem, or whatever then EVERY GAME WOULD HAVE THE ISSUE. Guess what? They don't.
I thought this problem was just random people complaining in order to hate BF3, but it isn't. I witnessed it myself on my friends TV, and the game is hard as hell to play because of it.
DICE set themselves apart by bringing higher standards, so where are those higher standards? BC2 was awesome, Medal of Honor had no support AT ALL and BF3 has problems blamed on everyone but themselves.... Come on DICE, or should I call you Sludgehammer Games?
Input lag is additive, even if most the lag is on their end, bits and pieces can be removed on the user end.
Why WOULD they come out and rationally explain it given the response they've been given whenever they say anything at all about it? Even if they came out and explained exactly whats going on, they'd get nothing but vitriol in response. Until they fix it, they should stop bothering to deal with all you frustrated people, its futile.
at this point I've given up hope because I know it won't get fixed soon enough. I have SF x Tekken waiting in the wings so no worries.
I would even take the old beta code if it would mean that input lag is gone
The glitch where you throw 1 or all the C4's on, let's say your car. Then you leave the car, press detonate, but instead of blowing up, you just toss another C4, even if you don't have any more of them. This is extrimly frustrating...
This also happens sometimes if you just throw 1 or 2 C4's at a random place, then try to detonate.
videos of this sutpid glitch:
http://www.youtube.com/watc...
http://www.youtube.com/watc...
http://www.youtube.com/watc...
I have never had the input lag though, (luckily). I do believe its there as too many people have it. Its a game breaker and needs patching, and quickly for those who have this problem.
It adds weight to the guns and I think its a non issue.
unlimited mortars are my only complaint with the game right now.
Funny thing is if they opened back up the beta on PS3 they would probably have more people playing that than the retail version.
its not as big of an issue as people claim.
ive put 150hrs into BF3 and ive learned to adapt and get better at it. its time other peopel followed suit.
you think aiming a gun in real life takes 0.0 seconds? teh answer is no, in case you were wondering.
Its the tool of cowards and it hurts the game.
Just make it so that why they stand ontop of it they fall through. Fuking simple.
The other day i saw one of my team mates about to fly up to a building on Karkand and i purposely shot a red gas tank next to him and killed the cheating bitch. Yeah i hate anyone who does that.