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Submitted by doctorstrange 945d ago | news

Sony Can’t Produce Enough PS2s and PSPs to Meet Demand

Demand is so high for the older platforms that Sony can’t even keep up with PS2 and PSP supplies. - PSLS (PS2, PSP)

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ftwrthtx  +   945d ago
Maybe it's time for me to sell off some of my older consoles.
Emilio_Estevez  +   945d ago
Nope, gamestop will still only give you $6.
Derekvinyard13  +   945d ago
If this is true, Sony should stop selling ps1 and ps2 and make the ps3 backward compatible again. just like apple, stop selling old products and force people to buy new ones. the sales dont lie.
doctorstrange  +   945d ago
$6? That's a disgrace. The scrap components are worth more
refocusedman  +   945d ago
Why do people still sell or trade in to gamestop, its such a rip off.
kevnb  +   945d ago
Not to mention buying used from them saves you a whole 5 bucks...
mechanicleman  +   945d ago
Derekvinyard13

backwards compatible is pointless honestly, why? because if your going to play a PS2 game play it on your PS2! Not only that but PS2 still sales for $100.
silvacrest  +   945d ago
@refocusedman
your 100% right, your better off on ebay, Craigslist of even a pawn broker
kneon  +   945d ago
@Derekvinyard13

Most of the world still can't afford a PS3, there are countries in which the PS2 only became available within the last few years. the PS2 will continue to sell for at least a few more years.
JoySticksFTW  +   945d ago
Would love if PS3 went backwards compatible again.

Who wants to have both a PS2 and PS3 taking up space in their entertainment center?

One machine is perfect, plus people forget that PS3 also makes PS2 games look better (it's in the PS3 xmb options).

PS2 version of MGS3 looks ridiculously good on a PS3. Like an early current gen game.
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RedDead  +   944d ago
Gamestop offered me 12 for my 20GB 360. It's fu**in crazy
tokugawa  +   944d ago
lol a small vague quote from tretton, a quick 10min-to-write blog, a sexed up headline and a shed load of hits from the faithful on toptens4fanboys.

there really is no secret formula to leechung hits from this site is there
Mickbelfast  +   944d ago
@joysticksFTW yeah the remastered HD version of mgs3 looks good on ps3 but fire in your normal ps2 mgs3 disc into your ps3 & itll look the exact same as it did years ago
Maddens Raiders  +   945d ago
W3LCOM3 CHANG3 -
*slowly*
BlackTar187  +   945d ago
the thing with apple is they have a mind control over their consumers. they somehow convinced millions that realeasing slightly better product each year for more money is a great thing :)

Typing this from my iphone lol
MySwordIsHeavenly  +   945d ago
Disc Replay gives you much more for your systems.
xtremeimport  +   945d ago
I dont fully understand the Ps2 demand...I mean, why? I know it has a great line up of games. But jeez so does the Ps3 and if you loved games so much, why are you just now buying a ps2??
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Ravenor  +   945d ago
North America, EU and Japan aren't the only video game markets anymore?
ChiVoLok0  +   945d ago
In case you forgot, the PS3 isn't backwards compatible anymore.
firefoxprime  +   945d ago
XXXXXXXX

Because the PS2 has the best video game library in the world. Dead serious. You think of any genre, and it'll be there.

Diversity/Variety is the KEY. Its the reason this gen is so boring. Yeah we get epic titles every quarter, but the genre view is so narrow-minded its pathetic.

Also, don't forget, there were WAY MORE devs/publishers back during the PS2 era!

*sniffles*

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CarlitoBrigante  +   945d ago
PS2 will never die, it is the greatest console ever made.

Sony should release a PS2 HD
showtimefolks  +   945d ago
something that people look at as a failure can't sell 60 plus million as psp has done. I mean yes compare to 3ds yes it hasn't sold as well but something that can sell 60 million can't be considered not a success.

its like this gen wii at 96 million and will get to 100 plus so will xbox360 and ps3 so all 3 will be considered successful while all 3 took different routes to getting there but in the end 3 success consoles are better than one. Competition is better for us gamers because each company has to compete for our business

hopefully ps-vita will be a success according to latest numbers its at 1.4 million sold world wide so here is hoping for great 1st/3rd party support
Moentjers  +   945d ago
When you have a huge library of PS2 games and your 10+ year old console dies. What will you do ? Throw your games in the bin or get a new PS2 ?
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MagicAccent  +   945d ago
Solution: PS2 backwards compability firmware for PS3.

...Please?
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coryok  +   945d ago
i think there are a few problems with this, namely that emulation is tasking. they would need to test each game out and fix them individually, which will end up taking a lot of time to do. it'll most likely be a quick fix for each, but QA will need to be done, which is why i believe they opted for a pay model so individual developers can go through and perform the necessary emulation fixes
vortis  +   945d ago
I can run PS2 games on my PC just fine. I'm sure the community would be willing to help with fixing the emulation just like the community did with the PS2 emulators on PC.

Everyone wins.
thehitman  +   945d ago
@vortis the PS3 is closed and the PC is open so having the community help wouldnt do any good.
Yodagamer  +   945d ago
Emulation isn't the problem, the ps3 can emulate them just fine, that is why they sell ps2 classics, they just want the money
NarooN  +   945d ago
@Yodagamer

No, the PS3 can't emulate them "just fine" because the newer systems don't even have the GS and EE chips on the motherboards anymore, so it's 100% software emu. My other PS3 -- before it died -- was a 2nd gen PS3 with software BC, meaning that they kept the Graphics Synthesizer chip on the PS3 MOBO and opted to emulate the PS2's CPU (EE = Emotion Engine = PS2 CPU) with the Cell.

Even with that, some games ran fine and others didn't. I tested tons of my PS2 games, most RAN, but a lot of them had graphical problems and technical issues. SSX3 would run fine, but would crash at completely random times very often, making it unplayable. Tekken Tag Tournament ran at fullspeed in the menus, but slowed down to 2 fps during gameplay. Some of the Ratchet games I played had lots of framerate drops and graphical issues. The DDR games would also crash frequently.

When they did the PS3's with the partially software-based emu, the emulation percentage dropped from ~98% down to around 69% or so. So when they took out the GS chip finally, emulation was mainly a pipedream.

The reason there's barely over a dozen "PS2 Classics" right now is because those games have been tested and can just barely work at fullspeed with minimal problems. Otherwise there would be a new batch of games every week.

Don't understand why coryok got so many disagrees when he's right. PS2 emulation is really difficult because in order to emulate it, a typical processor has to emulate multiple components of the PS2 one after the other, as opposed to the PS2 itself which - due to it's crazy architecture - could run them in unison with little effort. That's why even on modern day PC's, you need a beastly CPU clocked at 3.4+ Ghz to get fullspeed on most games, even with speedhacks. Don't even count on PS2 emu to hit the Vita anytime soon either for those very reasons.
Persistantthug  +   945d ago
without the PS2 hardware, good B/C isn't possible except for old, lesser demanding games.
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mechanicleman  +   945d ago
Why?!! It's pointless backwards compaadible is pointless don't you have a PS2?
Kurisu  +   945d ago
My PS2 is old and I have a lot of trouble with it, so the PS2 games I have are (almost) useless.

Also my launch PS3 bricked on me a couple years after release and was replaced with a non-BC model. So it wouldn't be pointless for people in the same shoes as me.

Granted I don't have many PS2 games left in my collection, but it would be nice to at least have the opportunity to play them without the hassle of a dodgy PS2, plus having one system set up makes things look a lot neater (my PS3 is tucked nicely under the TV, and then the PS2 is on the floor with wires trailing everywhere!)
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ZombieNinjaPanda  +   945d ago
I have quite a few Ps2 games that my Ps2 simply won't play anymore.

My ps3 on the other hand plays them fine.
user7792788  +   945d ago
"solution"? Sony not meeting demand is a good thing...it means its still selling...So why would they get rid of it?
ChiVoLok0  +   945d ago
It means they are also having financial problems. Have you seen that 2$ Billion loss article about Sony?
DeadIIIRed  +   945d ago
You could just buy a launch PS3
alexcosborn  +   945d ago
Wow, I had no idea there was still such a demand for these older platforms.
Sev  +   945d ago
Haha, I think it's more that they can't keep production lines large enough open to meet the demand. It's probably like four children in China putting together PS2s now.
Rynx  +   945d ago
Haha wow. Yet somehow, it's not offensive.
vortis  +   945d ago
@Rynx,

it's not offensive because it's true.

/l2feedtehkidz
GraveLord  +   945d ago
A few days ago the PS2 was in the Top 100 in Amazon best sellers.

For the past few weeks the PS2 has outsold the Xbox 360 too.(in Japan)
--Onilink--  +   945d ago
anything can outsell the 360 in japan... i think if nintendo still made gameboys those would sell like 10x what MS sells these days in Japan,lol
dragon82  +   945d ago
If you polished up real nice, a rock could outsell a 360 in Japan.
Blackdeath_663  +   945d ago
yeah im north african and my cousins love the ps2 and ps1 there. lol they play crash bandicoot without memory card and start all over when they play as for ps2 pro evolution soccer 6 is the favourite game there.
im also still holding onto my ps2 ive played devil may cry on it 6 or 7 times already my favourite game of all time
dbjj12088  +   945d ago
lol what?
BigBoss1964  +   945d ago
There's 'STILL' demand for PS2?! in it's 12th year?! that console won't die XD
doctorstrange  +   945d ago
Yeah, that's some serious legs
coolasj  +   945d ago
Remember when " It Wouldn't Die " in it's 8th year?
doctorstrange  +   945d ago
zombie console
egidem  +   945d ago
I can't blame it. I mean, I remember first buying one - the damn thing could play DVDs! That was an awesome feeling. Then the hundreds and hundreds of games that I played through the following years.....probably best gaming years ever. That and the NES years.
SantistaUSA  +   945d ago
The thing is that in 3rd world countries current gen consoles cost a LOT of money, I'm from Brazil, but came to USA in 2000, and when I go back home on vacation I still see consoles like supernes, negadrive been sold! PS2 is now affordable to a lot of people in those countries. Not long ago x360 and/or PS3 would cost you over $1500 dollars over there!
megaworm25  +   945d ago
wow thats really expensive.

i though we got ripped off here in australia

$1000 launch price for the ps3
clearelite  +   945d ago
I know I want a PS2, even though I have a PS3. I need something to play my Okami, etc. and the many dozens of other awesome Ps2 games I didn't get to yet. It will be nice to set up up on a second TV, along with my SNES, etc.
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user624059  +   945d ago
CN4A says because it still doubles as a CD Player and DVD Player...

not all advanced life is robotically sound with technical gizmos.. I am CN4A. Good Day!
DeadlyFire  +   945d ago
Well Sony is a global company. They likely shifted a few plants over from PS2 to PS4 production for 2013 or are planning to do so or build new ones soon.

PS2 is still the new console in parts of the world. PS3 has yet to even surface in those regions. Still though many still make minimum wage and have yet to enjoy gaming. So PS2 is an easy quick option to jump into and its not a bad system.
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Gamer-Z  +   945d ago
This wouldn't be a problem if the PS3 & PS Vita were backwards compatible.
doctorstrange  +   945d ago
PS3 - yes
Vita - I wouldn't want a UMD drive, but an upgrade passport program would be great
--Onilink--  +   945d ago
with the umd drive you wouldnt have to pay, the passport program still makes you pay AGAIN for games you already own
doctorstrange  +   945d ago
You'd have to pay for a more expensive Vita, with a space-wasting UMD drive, and no rear touch,
Megaman_nerd  +   945d ago
instead of 3G Sony should have made 2 Vitas, 1 with BC and the other without it. Seriously, I would pay premium price for BC even if I wouldn't ever use it!

I hope the PS4 offer BC for PS1, 2 and 3, that would be so godlike. >.<
--Onilink--  +   945d ago
you are just assuming those things, its not like the PS3 became cheaper just because they dropped backwards compatibilty, by now those components are really cheap, im giving you facts, the UMD passport may be better than nothing, but its still a slap in the face of loyal customers by forcing them to pay AGAIN for buying the game in the 1st place.

Is it my fault that i was forced to use a stupid propietary format? No, so why would i have to pay more for supporting their format in the 1st place...
Blackdeath_663  +   945d ago
no i think they must kill off all previous psp's with the exception of the psp go. it was so easy to hack and get games for i knew people who would only buy a psp with the intention to hack it. im also guilty of this. personally i always take the eaier option if they make it easy to hack then i will hack if its easier to just buy games then i will buy.
kevnb  +   945d ago
Valve actually is on record that they notice this behavior.
coryok  +   945d ago
i dont think sony views it as a problem
QSPR  +   945d ago
i think sony have the oportunity to resurect the ps2, why don't make those psp games ported to ps2?? little big planet, gt, god of war, final fantasy, motor storm, mod nation racer, monster hunter etc. this can bring the ps2 to hole new lofe..
bebojet  +   944d ago
A redesigned PS2 with PSP ported games could probably even bring the PS2 back to it's prime. Now that it's previous competitors turned to dust it's only rival would be the Wii.
GillHarrison  +   945d ago
If you want an old console so bad, just go to Amazon.com. I'm sure they have enough back-stock to fill the people that want one. It would've been wonderful if the Playstation 3 was still backwards compatible, but we proved that us gamers are willing to shell out money for and up-rezzed version of the same game.
AusRogo  +   945d ago
Nothing wrong with that. They look better on my tv than playing ps2.
DarkSniper  +   945d ago | Funny
After twelve years of market domination, PlayStation®2 continues to pulverize the market as it achieves an insurmountable lead over every single gaming console released. With over 200 million sold and counting, PS2 has no signs of stopping, even surpassing the Nintendo Wii in head to head sales on a monthly basis.

The numbers dont lie. There are more PlayStation units in every household across the globe than any other console. Even after 12 years and 8 years respectively, PS2 and PSP continue to steamroll the competition with it's unlimited lineup of software for all genres and all ages.

Hopefully this piece of news reminds retailers that PlayStation®2 has always been in demand ever since it buried the Sega Dreamcast in 2001. PS2 has a long list of victims that it destroyed in it's path to greatness.

Sega Dreamcast
Xbox
Nintendo Gamecube
Xbox 360
Nintendo Wii
Nintendo Wii-U

All of these consoles cannot even hold the PS2's jockstrap when it comes to quality software and memorable gaming moments. No matter how you slice it, PlayStatipn®2 is the undefeated pound for pound champion of Videogame history.

$niper
--Onilink--  +   945d ago
i think you missed a couple of consoles there...like PS1, PS3, PSV, PS4, Xbox 720... because if you think anything that doesnt sell as much as the PS2 is "defeated" then everyone should just stop making consoles, because nothing will ever reach those sales numbers again... these are diferent times
mttrackmaster38  +   945d ago
I predict people will reply to DarkSniper and fall for his troll bait. Oh....too late.
yabhero  +   945d ago
Wii U isn't out yet...
Troll harder :)
Ravenor  +   945d ago
I know you want that Sony PR job really bad, but it's just not in the cards.
Bladesfist  +   945d ago
Sony trolls get bubbled up...
duplissi  +   945d ago
i miss this.... lol

all you who joined n4g from mid 09 to now have no idea how awesome n4g was before then! at least we had interesting fanboy trolls then... instead of the drivel we have now.
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ShinraE5  +   945d ago
I wonder if the PS3 was backwards compatible, if it would have sold a lot more than it did. It didnt sell bad by any means (slightly outsold the xbox year to year, still behind wii) but it went from powerhouse to competetitor in a generation

The demand for ps2 titles must be high - oh well, a missed oppurtunity to sell ps3's for sony in retrospect
AceofStaves  +   945d ago
Sony didn't miss an opportunity at all, actually. When the PS3 launched, it had backwards compatibility for PS2 and PS1 games, and it didn't sell high numbers. Sony removed the PS2 compatibility hardware from the PS3 to cut manufacturing costs and give them room to drop the price to try and spark more interest in the console. It worked.

Consumers proved that backwards compatibility was not a required feature for PS3, since the backwards-compatible models did not sell as well as the newer models.

That said, I have a launch model PS3, and I don't use the PS2 backwards compatibility. I have a launch model PS2 for my PS2 gaming needs.
ShinraE5  +   945d ago
Ummm, the PS3 sold VERY well out of the gate.

It was a lack of titles and the insane price that cooled sales for a few years until the signifigant price cuts took effect and the better titles started hitting shelves.

The backwards compatibility had nothing to do with the ps3 resurgence. And the backwards compatible ps3 was/is a highly sought after item.

I have to agree to disagree with you
IM_KINECTED  +   945d ago
Well the price of the PS3 at launch might have had something to do with the lack of sales and a missed opportunity.

I have a launch PS3 as well, which plays PS2 games and up-converts them to HD, so it's curious you say you prefer to use your PS2 to play PS2 games, especially since the PS3 fits them to widescreen and puts them is HD.

Anyway, imagine if you could get a PS3 slim that had BC for $249? I think those would sell like hotcakes. I still play PS2 titles from time to time and it's nice to have the option at least, less clutter then keeping 10 consoles out at a time as well.
AceofStaves  +   945d ago
@ShinraES: PS3 sales languished behind both Wii and Xbox 360 until the price was cut. Initial adoption of the PS3 was influenced by its position as the cheapest, and best-value, Blu-Ray player at that time. (Standalone Blu-Ray players were priced in the high hundreds, close to $1,000 when the PS3 launched).

The price cut in the PS3 made the unit more attractive to the mass market. Removing the PS2 hardware-based emulation from the PS3 helped Sony prepare that first price drop. For the tech that was included in the launch model, $600 was a fair price, but Blu-Ray wasn't mainstream at that time and the future of the format was uncertain.

Let's agree to disagree, by all means. Had consumers mass-adopted the PS3 at launch, PS2-backwards compatibility would still be included in the console. The marketplace spoke, and Sony discovered a strong market for HD remakes of PS2 games instead of large-scale demand for PS2 b-c.

@IM_Kinected: I don't mind playing the PS2 games on the PS2.
mechanicleman  +   945d ago
Backwards compatible is pointless it really is if you want to play PS2 games play them on your PS2 your not going to buy a PS3 to play PS2 games.
pandehz  +   945d ago
PS3 being backwards compatible might help a a tiny little bit but PS2 will still sell because of the price.
pucpop  +   945d ago
just use emulation on pc?
Bathyj  +   945d ago
I've always kind of figured this would happen to PS3 when new consoles come out.

Think about it. New hardware is always sexy, but it will be expensive and not have many games.

PS3 by comparison will be dirt cheap, have a huge library, continued support with devs getting more and more out of the hardware, and its reliable. After going through 4 XB360's, the first one being broken on launch night, there's no way I'm getting an XB3 in the first year this time.

I also think just having stronger hardware around and devs developing new techniques will actually trickle down to PS3 and improve its games. Every consoles games look better in their latter years.
TacoTaru  +   945d ago
Just ordered Digital Devil Saga II for PS2. I play PS2 games because the RPGs are infinitely better than most of the ones for the current gen systems. If you aren't a fan of FPS, especially online, the games for PS2 are the way to go.
Hicken  +   945d ago
Of about 50 games I have on the PS2, more than 40 are RPGs. It's really the system to have, in that respect.

Won't be getting rid of my PS2, even when the PS4 comes out.
IM_KINECTED  +   945d ago
I'm not really surprised, the PS2 was epic and is an example on how to do a console right. I happen to have a backwards compatible launch PS3, so I sold my PS2 a long time ago, still play some of the old PS2 library from time to time in upconverted HD on the PS3 though.

I don't think Sony will continue to make first party games for the PSP, how could they? They need to focus all efforts from their studios on the Vita, so that it can be a success. That doesn't mean third party games cant still release on the PSP though.

Sort of how Nintendo has stopped first party support on the Wii, but third parties will continue support.

The Sega Genesis had tons of third party releases all the way up till the late 1990's, like Vectorman, which was one of the better Genesis titles ever.

Nostalgia is always big with video games and lots of parents see the cheaper PS2 and PSP as the way to go for their kids and things like that.
problemchild84  +   945d ago
My Dad and I work at the same place (Giant grocery store) and one day while gathering up the trash out of the trash cans from the parking lot he discovered a fat PS2! Surprisingly enough my Dad actually knew what it was and brought it home for me.

When I got at home I plugged it up turned the PS2 on and it fired right up! Works great actually aside from the disc tray being a little sluggish from time to time.
TheColbertinator  +   945d ago
Still play my PS2 games like Sakura Wars 5,Persona 3 FES and Yakuza 2
Erudito87  +   945d ago
wtf was that pic of?
tiffac008  +   945d ago
The PS2 is like a freaking energizer bunny...

It keeps on going, going and going!
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azshorty2003  +   945d ago
Its not as much people Here buying them to play, its people exporting them to other countries like south America where they mod them to play burned games. When I used to work in GS in Miami, people came in and bought ps2 and xboxs 3-5 at a time, each week.
susanto1228  +   945d ago
Wow Sony nice strategy that is blowing up in your face...typical.

Make the PS3 non backward compatible and force gamers to buy PS2's meanwhile PS3 sales suffer....brilliant sony just brilliant....you are the true masters of the gaming market..
2pacalypsenow  +   945d ago
i didnt pay $600 to play Ps2 games i payed $300 back in 2000 for that :-)
Inzo  +   944d ago
I think you are confused, can you please give a link that shows PS3 sales suffering because of the PS2, in fact, please give us the link that shows PS3 sales suffer at all.
2pacalypsenow  +   945d ago
Gamestop gives me $6 for a ps2 but sells me a GameCube for $30 lol
theWB27  +   945d ago
Maybe I'm crazy but maybe they cant meet demand because, yes they sell, but some of those people that were still working on those machines have moved on to the ps4. So itll be ps3,vita, and ps4 support instead of ps3,ps2 and psp support. Just throwing something out there.
Legion  +   945d ago
On a side note the Sega Saturn also can't be manufactured to reach the demands of fans.
cliffyboy21  +   945d ago
ps3 might not be b/c no more but im sure their going to make sure the ps4 will be seeing how their still using blu ray and a similar cell/gpu chip, and at a cheaper cost to them. but honestly im not even ready for the ps4 yet im still enjoying my ps3.
C_Menz  +   945d ago
Figures. When I travel outside the U.S(mainly Caribbean and Latin America) ever little shop has signs out saying "Brand New PS2 Games!" Or has a sign saying new PS2's just in, etc.

Interesting to see the change since before the ps3 launched it was all about the ps1, now they moved up a generation.
Magnus  +   945d ago
Well just about every store I go to in my city I can find a PSP sitting on the shelf its just by sheer luck you can even find a PS2 still need to buy one mine just bit the dust. The Vita is the one console people are having trouble finding. I think its time Sony knocked the price of the PSP down a few bucks might generate more sales. Thing is PSP games are getting harder to find I can find the odd decent title but everything else is just crap for the PSP. If the demand is there maybe Sony can chug out a few PS1 consoles. Doubt they will do that in the near future.

And of course the PS2 is going to be popular in Latin America some of the countries are still playing a Master System and a Genesis a PS3 is to expensive down there to own.
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banjadude  +   945d ago
And that, my friends, is still why I have my PS2 and PSP. Both of those devices are too beast. I'm NOT saying other consoles/handhelds aren't, but the PS2 and PSP will always be a special part of my gaming collection.
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