GB : Michael Pachter, the famous analyst is at it again, and he posted in NeoGAF saying that the Wii U won't be able to save Nintendo, and they won't be profitable anytime soon.
pachter needs to be ignored. He is never right Handhelds are under attack are they? Is that why the 3ds was the number 1 system sold in 2011? Is that why 3ds sales have tripled ds sales in the US during the first year? Is that why? ““People who have handhelds are either hardcore Mario nuts or kids under 12.” So that would be 16 million people worldwide now? more than the ds had sold in its first fiscal year. Pachter is known as the fool of the game industry for a reason. He is never right nintendo has said they will be profitable this year. WHat the fuck does he know
Why are you reporting for this? Are you that butthurt? He is still a prominent person and his opinions are relevant.
So relevant, wie ein feuchter Furz...This is, what we here in germany would say...
1 bubble troll, typical...........are you that butthurt that you had to post this? He isnt a prominent person and his opinions arent even slightly relevant. He admits hes always wrong
Pachter is doing his best to smear the Nintendo brand name, but Nintendo supporters don't listen to fanboys or people like pachter. Nintendo is the driving force of the videogame industry. Leading the industry forward with bleeding edge tech and innovative gameplay. It will take much more then the opinion of a washed up Mrs Cleo wannabe to stop the force that is Nintendo. Once the Nintendo systems are both released they can work together like The Rock and Sock connection, the APA, LOD, The Hardy Boyz. Walking hand in hand together to take the gaming industry to the next level. Even the hater Michael Pachter himself will own a Nintendo console and will have the right to experience Nintendos world class in house exclusives. He will also be able to participate in Project Rainfall. There is still hope for people like him. Rated E for Everyone
What is "bleeding edge" tech? That sounds pretty hardcore Mind you, Nintendo has made technologies that have failed, but I agree that you have to give them props for thinking more outside the box. They may not be on par with some of the traditional stuff (graphical technology and online), but I have always appreciated their alternative hardware methods and seemingly immortal software While the Facebook and phone market are definitely competing against Nintendo a bit, Patcher seems to forget that there are hardcore Nintendo gamers who have always supported Nintendo, and I fail to see how Wii U will suffer as a home device when 3DS, a direct competitor, didn't suffer as badly as some thought it would. Nintendo doesn't need saving, their 3DS sales and success this gen will keep them more than happy and I'm sure Wii U wont offset that For those interested, here is the context of his post: http://www.neogaf.com/forum...
And he happens to be right this time, at least mostly right, the basic assumptions are correct though the actual numbers are probably wrong. A significant segment of the Wii market is casual gamers and a significant percentage of those won't bother to upgrade to the Wii U. The only thing to argue about is how many won't upgrade.
@kneon Nintendo know they have lost some casuals which is why they are trying to make good with the Core gamers and third parties. I happen to think that this time, Nintendo will get it right with the WiiU, if the 3ds is anything to go by. Screw Pachter. The bloke is a muppet.
@MARIOFTW So far the haven't really shown much to bring back the hard core audience. The controller isn't going to do it. While it could be useful in some hard core games it's better suited to casual games. The Wii U should be more powerful than the existing HD consoles but it's unlikely to be all that much more powerful. Nintendo don't typically sell hardware at a loss and they need to keep the price down which is going to limit how powerful it can be. Their online is unlikely to be far ahead of live or PSN so that's not going to do it either. As for their exclusives that will only help to retain their existing fans.
Agreed. People on this site are amazingly ignorant lol. Nintendo<
@kneon Cmon, man. Look at the games available for the 3DS. Are you seriously gonna say Nintendo achieved nothing there to appeal to the Core? As for WiiU, the amount of third parties pledging support to it should tell you something. Games like Darksiders, Batman, Alien Colonial Marines and Ghost Recon confirmed for WiiU. If they aren't core titles then Nintendo best just give up because they won't be able to please anybody. In regards to Online, on the few Wii games that do have online, they all worked and they worked flawlessly. No lag, no dodgy servers that take patch after patch to fix. As for the power of the console, we already know it is more powerful than the PS3 & 360. This has been confirmed by numerous developers. Will it be as powerful as PS4 and the Next Xbox? No but it won't get left behind on multiplat games like the Wii was. Nintendo has everything going for them. A possible casual and core appeal, a new way to play home consoles, powerful HD hardware and full third party support. I can't see how they could screw it up.
@Karooo This is the guy was claiming the Wii-HD was coming in 2009... never happened :D The only thing good he does is playing captain obvious with some of his "predictions" anything else is crap!
Hes like the Mel Kiper of videogames. His opinion is heard but holds a grain of salt.
@MARIOFTW I'm not saying the core titles won't be available. The question is will the Wii U versions offer enough for people to jump from the PS3 or XBox to go to the Wii U version. So far other than the possibility of better graphics I haven't seen anything compelling enough to get mass adoption from the PS3 and XBox crowd. If graphics was all it takes then everyone would be on PC.
He isn't....he is the reason we get these absolutely stupid rumors and bandwagon trains started. Handhelds have been doomed how many times in his eyes? 3DS was supposed to die when? Wasn't he the one that said consoles will be gone by next generation too? For someone with a job in the video game industry he sure does want it destroyed....
It all depends on what price Nintendo go with if it's cheap like the Wii then it'll do fine. People don't play heaps of games on their phone because the battery doesn't last long. The 3D games can chew up a GS battery in 10 mins easy, then you have nothing but a paper weight, the GSII etc with multi cores will be far quicker to kill the battery. That's why LG and HTC new quad core phones have a very large battery but quad core will just quick, they are just hoping the large battery will be enough to keep it going for a good amount of time. Tablets are the same deal. Plus phones and tablets can only do so much, the Wii games do so much more than any phone game could.
This is one of the few times that I think Pachter is bang on.
53 people disagree karoo. Patcher doesn't work for the gamers, he's a figure head used to manipulate gullible people(or more of an entertainer). The fact that he is "prominent" yet often wrong should make you a bit wary. It's try that the 3DS is shaping up to be the most successful handheld ever. Hopefully the Vita will follow suite. I will continue to buy what I please. Honestly, there are plenty of socalled experts all over the place, and they are only relevant if you think they are :D Btw, not saying I dislike patcher... I just wouldn't take him seriously and prefer to use my own brain. Nintendo needs saving all of a sudden?
Pachter's comments all come from his gut, same as George Bush, and look what that kind of decision making results in? Pachter has no idea whether his claims are correct, he looks at pieces of industry data and then makes gut predictions that mean basically nothing, but do you think investors would know any different if his decisions were crap or not? The industry doesn't care that much if you're right 100% of the time, its noone's jobe to be right all the time, investors just want someone else to give them some hope about their investments, someone who studies the industry and the data. Literally, anyone with a business degree can look at the industry and predict trends, its easy as pie, its just now always easy to be right all the time.
Pachter rarely uses fact or precedence in his predictions, so I generally ignore things that he says. That said, I think he brought up an interesting point, even if he pulled the 35% figure out of his rearend. Think about it....in 2006 (Wii launch), things like tablets, smart phones, facebook games, etc were not even half as prevalent. And look at them now. The Wii has the LOWEST attach rate. Many of the more casual gamers (part of the Wii's audience) won't bother with something like the ps3, 360, or Wii U. "Pachter is doing his best to smear the Nintendo brand name" - What does he gain from supposedly "smearing" the Nintendo brand name, exactly?
He's an analyst. That's his job. He's not in it to "smear" anyone, he's in it to inform the investors, brokers, other analysts so that they can make informed investment decisions. They pay his firm for that information and he wouldn't have a job if his opinion wasn't correct more often than not. Personally, I don't like the guy - but there's not denying that when you look at his track record he's right far more often than he's wrong. I just wish he'd keep his opinion firmly in his reports and stopped spewing every thought that pops into his head to twitter, forums, etc...
I just want to know who pays Patcher. Seriously even the guy himself said he is only right about 2% of the time. Better off asking the magic 8 ball, you have a better chance of getting the right answer.
Zynga probably pays him seeing how he says nothing bad about them. He said Zynga is doing great
"I just want to know who pays Patcher" Gametrailers for one. A site that imports all of its awesome content (buying temp rights to episodes of AVGN, Mega64, EpicBattleCry, etc). It's own original content involves Geoff, Invisible Walls, and Pachter. *Shivers*
The common theme these days seems to be the better the device (assuming the wii-u has great graphics and proper third party support) the worse it sells, i am a regular gambler and i would bet massive money that wii-u wont sell as much as the wii or ds, oddly because it will be a better (but more expensive machine) people these days love "CHEAP" and thats not gonna change, The wii from a techinal standpoint was a POS (anyone that disagree,s should bear in mind it had alot of trouble running house of the dead 3 a 10 year old arcade game) and has aweful 3rd party support (No games like ssf4,mvc3,resident evil,battlefield, i could go on and on) but yet outsells ps3 and 360....AMAZING Theres a serious problem this Gen THE BETTER A DEVICE THE WORSE IT SELLS Pack a device with weak hardware and low amount of features (and no proper network or store for dlc content) i will wait to see nintendo network and revise that statment accordingly.. and watch it fly off the shelves...Hmm Build a feature packed and greatly supported device and suffer the consequences for having it only 40-70 dollars/euro extra....CRAZY
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Kids under 12 & Mario nutts really O_0
its called anal-yst(analyst). its not really a job but people are paid to talk trash. once i was watching a hockey game the anal-yst said that the way the player was holding the stick hes was able to say if hes happy confident.
Even if they lost that much its still pretty good lol
He was wrong about handhelds, but right a little bit in that smart phones have gained some of the market it but no where near what he predicited. He is supposed to speculate it's is jobs, am sure on a pach attack episode he said that he has only hit the nail on the head once with game sales etc. He dosn't pull it out of thin air he goes by what everyone says. I am glad he is wrong though AND I HOPE HE IS WRONG ON THIS TOO.
He needs to save his criticism and comments for sony and the things they are going through with the vita and everything else. because nintendo is doing just fine DS is alive with pokemon black and white 2 3DS has tons of games coming wii has all the major RPGS coming wii u will claim a fair share at e3. they are setting up for something big.
What the hell are you talking about?! No need for all of this, Patcher's whole logic is false simply because the Wii U is not targeted towards casual gamers.
I would say that's debatable. A huge company like Nintendo is out for profit. The aim towards the casual market in this gen brought them huge profits, they wouldn't throw that away by suddenly changing back their focus to core gamers. Plus the Wii U certainly does not look like a console intended for core gamers.
Ok, you are obviously not the brightest kid in the jar (?), but at least you're not an analyst, I'll give you that. Pachter is surprisingly incompetent.
Disagree if you want, but I found his reasoning sound. If the wii-U is too expensive, the casual market won't buy it. Also what is the incentive for the hardcore? If you game on pc/360/ps3, are you really going to invest in a slightly more powerful console with a screen on the controller? Another thing to take into account is third party dedication. They still haven't gotten their online systems nearly to the rank of Sony/MS. I'm really skeptical of this system. The system is either going to be servilely stripped down, or Nintendo is going to sell it at a loss(which I don't see happening).
@Knight_Cid "nintendo has said they will be profitable this year" Yeah really hard when you've lost 80% of your value the last 3 years....wow maybe you should spend more time in school, some of your arguments are so statistically manipulated it almost makes me laugh.
hey dumbass, you dont think most companies have lost value? The yen hurt nintendo bad. Maybe you should spend more time in school you want statistics? in 2011 nitnendo sold the most software and hardware globally. Iwata has states starting this year each 3ds will be sold at profit. The 3ds is currently number 1 in the world. They are already profitable fyi nintendo made the most profit in 2010. Only 1 year ago. Hell last month in january again they sold the most hardware and software worldwide. That isnt going to change
Elemental_ Some of those are good points but I've bubbled you down for immature. I looked through your comment history, you're quite the rager.
the hilarious part is he thought the 3ds would sell millions at 250. He was proven to be an idiot Now its breaking records at 170 and he cant face that. He cant face the fact that in the ds first year it sold 2.7 million in the US. And the 3DS is on pace for 5 in the first fiscal year ( ends at the end of march) He will never mention actual 3ds sales because it unravels all of his points. Hes literally, never commented on the 3ds breacking records, outpacing the ds, or anything like that So theoretically. If everyone was playing IOS games, why would 3ds sales be higher?
You really love the 3DS, don't you?
Only time will tell what the future will hold. No point in arguing right now, the industry is so unpredictable anything is possible.
Pachters an idiot. Fact. One need only watch the 'Best of Gamestrailers' video on youtube to realize that this guys opinions are invalid. He's just a guy in a suit who plays a couple of the years blockbuster releases to make it sound like he's a gamer, therefore validating his already sketchy opinions on games that many real gamers know are full of absolute sh*t. LOL @ Karoo....relevant? Watch this... http://www.youtube.com/watc... "no one has a PC faster than the PS3" Yes, as relevant as a fart in the wind.
Wait, why does Nintendo need saving? The Wii was a huge success and got them money. and now the 3DS is doing the same being the fastest-selling handheld of all time.
Because of the DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM!!!!! Speaking of Doom. I need to play that game again!
They're probably selling it at a loss though. And the Wii hasn't sold very well in the past year or two. Overall, I'd say this year's E3 could be where the next gen consoles are revealed in more detail.
The 3DS costs $100 to make, I'm pretty sure it's still being sold at a profit. If it isn't then they're not selling it at that huge of a loss. Yea, Wii sales have declined, but it's not like the sales are piss-poor and it's expected. It's the 6th year in and there's a successor on that way. Sales are expected to drop. And Nintendo is STILL making a profit on each Wii sold. So again I ask, what is Pachter talking about lol? Nintendo's in the best position possible.
Sorry to be the party pooper but Nintendo has never sold any piece of hardware at a loss. Last November Nintendo sold more Wii's than any other month in it's existance. Overall I'd say E3 is where Nintendo will blow people's frigging minds. Nintendo didn't claim video games top spot this generation they reclaimed it.
It's well documented that slashing the price of the 3DS meant they are selling it at a loss, and even Iwata said they expect to start selling it at a profit later this year. So every one they sell costs them money. http://mynintendonews.com/2...
Yeah, I think it's safe to say now that Patcher rarely, if ever, has any idea about what he is talking about. All credibility is lost once he said Nintendo needed to be saved. LMAO!
Sorry knush. I was just talking about home console's I really don't anything about hand helds.
I dont think it will have the same stellar success the Wii did but it wont fail either
I actually think the interactivity that's gonna be added by the pad controller style is going to change the way people play games forever. I can't wait till the thing is up for preorder. by the way I dropped Nintendo brand from my buy list since the 64.
Hahaha, more bs from Patcher. 35% of wii customers lost to fb and phones? Dude seriously everybody who has a wii will probably buy a wii u when it gets to a reasonable price. The wii doesnt have that many games and the concept of the controller for the wii u will attract all the customers the wii had. If they release loads of games frequently and have a decent online system and get multiplats the wii u do good
Most people I know who bought a wii have no interest in wii u. They just say "nah, I don't even play the wii anymore".
I personally fail to see why "casual" gamers can't have a wii, fb games, and a wiiu. It isn't like having one forbids you from having or wanting the others. ^_^;
The problem is the Wii U is Nintendo's way of saying sorry to hardcore gamers...
The Nintendo 3DS does not need saving. Others need saving from the Nintendo 3DS as it is the highest selling console at the moment with the most exclusives. Nintendo is keeping on with great tradition and bringing many many exclusives to gamers of all ages. Fortunately for us Nintendo supporters, we get some of the highest rated, most respected exclusive games in the business. Phones and facebook have done absolutely nothing to derail Nintendo. In fact sales have been better then ever as Nintendo continues the quest to purified greatness. Rated E for Everyone
Hey look, Captain Obvious is talking again!
I also don't see what Nintendo needs saving from. And losing 35% of wii customers would put the wii u at sales of 60 million units, or so... Sounds terrible. And casual gamers move to whatever the fad is, like Wii Fit, so when Wii U starts getting games that, while they won't be hardcore, will change the casual landscape again.
We gamers hardcore or not want good games and the nintendo Wii did not have THAT many but it was still a good value since it was quite cheaper then a PS3(for exemple). I preffer my PS3 over my Wii but I don t regret buying this Nintendo console because it was cheap by the time I got it. I was a bit disappointed but still it was worth. The 3DS is cool and it will have more and more good games but for my style I have no doubbt that I will play more on my Vita over the 3DS as I did with PSP over DS. Nintendo is in second place for my hardcore taste and hunger for new and hard games to play. But 2nd place is not bad at all ! I can´t live with just PlayStation brand, I need those Mario and other Nintendo´s exclusive games. The WiiU I think it will do very well because to me it will be the less powerfull next gen console but with the advantage of beeing the cheapest of all three. AND not to forget that all( I´m guessing) 3rd party multi plataform games will run on this WiiU. In the end a 3rd party game like a CoDMW4 would look the "same" on all three plataforms.
In like Pachter and and think he is worth listening to.
Patcher is just Wii U Mad XD
Oh no he didn't! *snaps fingers*
Okay, we can all say that the Wii came out of nowhere to sell over 80 million units. That I think no one predicted. I think the Wii-U, (Or whatever they might rename it to), will sell at least 50 million by 4 years into it's life cycle. After that it's just a crap shoot.
Nintendo doesn't need saving. They survived the Gamecube, which made them profit from the start. Nintendo is always good at making a console that earns a profit right away, so even if it doesn't sell as much as the competition, they still actually make money. Nintendo owns the handheld market, the Wii has sold almost 100 million consoles and the Wii U is set to launch later this year. I guess I just don't see where the doom and gloom comes from as far as Nintendo's situation is concerned. Is there really many people out there or here that wont be interested in the Wii U if it launched for $299? I mean I do kind of hope to see a new Xbox in the next year or so and the next PlayStation sometime shortly after that, but if the Wii U is more powerful then what we have now and we can get Mario, Zelda, Smash Brothers, Metroid, Pikmen and Starfox in HD, then I'm all in.
all i can say to pachter is lol what?
I never knew why people thought Pachter was stupid, now I know. If he seriously thinks people won't flock to buy a Wii U, he's wrong.
@ GraveLord: FLOCK to buy it? I don't know about all that, bro. Other than HD graphics, what else have they to offer? Wii fanboys who avoided PS3 and 360 said that HD doesn't matter, only games do. Yet the Wii had serious drought in games (Mario Galaxy and Zelda are just too few and spread thinly apart to warrant the need to buy a Wii--only now is it worth buying since it's dirt cheap now). So now, we have the Wii-U: Which has a screen that isnt all that impressive, and HD--the very thing that fanboys claimed wasn't important to them 5 years ago. Kinda hypocritical. Just be honest: you guys are simply riding on your memories of the Nes, snes, and N64. But Nintendo just doesn't seem to be it's old self anymore. It's lost it's luster. I hope the Wii-U will be different, but there is little evidence that it will be. Wii sold like hotcakes, but so did COD. And Wii-U doesnt have a catchy innovation like they did when they first introduced the Wii-mote. It's just a touch screen. Even the 3ds has one--plus it can do 3d. What is the Wii-U offering? 3rd party support? the support their getting is still only a fraction of that of their competitors. When 720 and PS4 come out, who's to say that the publishers will walk away when Wii-U's outdated tech falls flat? Developers want to develope for as many consoles as possible for maximum profit. If Wii-u cant keep up technically, then it may likely get left behind. not trolling, I just want you guys to realize what is happening. Nintendo made a big mistake by riding on its name alone, yet it gives us yet another console with outdated tech, outdated storage medium, a gimmicky (plus expensive) controller, and likely to stretch out the releases of their games to lengths of unbearable wait times that they've been doing since the N64 (which at least had an excuse since it was using outdated storage medium of cartridges (see a pattern here of using outdated mediums and tech?) Unfortunately, fanboys of all kinds (whether its Nintendo, COD, etc) have never taken the time to consider these things when arguing back. If you just want to buy it because it says Nintendo on it, then go ahead. But don't try to convince the unconverted when you can't provide any evidence that Nintendo is changing. i say: cancel the Wii-U and spend the next year regrouping to think about what they need for their next console. the Wii-u's timing is horrible and shouldv'e come out a year ago (if even at all). They should use the time off to remake another console that will have competing tech so they can guarantee to get multi-platform 3rd party support IN THE LONG RUN. They made enough money from Wii to be able to make a real next gen console. Plus they could use that time to rethink their strategy--so they don't get another scare like what happened with the 3ds last year. The problem isn't Nintendo's franchises (which you guys love); it's the hardware. It's the isolation from what real gamer's want. It's the lack of heart to engage the console race in a real fight. Instead they claim their just doing things their own way--please, gimme a break. They need to release games faster, keep up with current technology (to guarantee they get multi-platform 3rd party games), and give their online capabilities the boost it desperately needs. It's really THAT simple. PLUS, THEY'D HAVE THE ADVANTAGE OF THEIR AWESOME EXCLUSIVES (assuming they release them more frequently). Yet, they don't care, and expect different results. Insanity: doing the same thing over & over and expecting different results. Albert Einstein