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Submitted by Rowland 935d ago | article

Is Mass Effect 3’s Controversial DLC Your Fault?

Kotaku: Gamers feel very strongly about their content and its makers. They are also a business. An exceptionally large, very valuable business. The most recent ESA report [pdf] asserts that American consumers spend over $25 billion dollars annually on gaming.

So where is the wall where gamers ultimately rebel against adding to those billions? The upcoming release of Mass Effect 3, featuring controversial day one DLC, is proving to be a fertile ground for the argument. (Industry, Mass Effect 3, PC, PS3, Xbox 360)

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SilentNegotiator  +   935d ago | Well said
Gamers have put up with so much crap this generation, so yeah, probably.

Go back in time to the 6th generation. Tell them that one day, they will need a code to play the game on the internet (especially every EA and Sony game) which restricts how many systems/accounts that they can play on, an extra $10 to play content cut from the original release (here's my equation again; "going gold several weeks b4 launch, getting completed DLC its XBL and PSN approval several weeks b4 launch, but still getting out DLC on launch day = cut content"), and that simple things like voice control (on that brand new awesome game called "SOCOM" for example, which is fairly open-ended for a ps2 game) are paraded as amazing features that can only be done with a cheap extra processor (and dev tools for VC, which all systems have similar versions of) and that EA claims to "not have the man power" to even put it on PC (let them know that EA is pretty much the same size in the future, if not bigger).

Also, let them know that it's custom for a game to get a 9/10 or higher every time, or else developers/publishers make a fuss and reviewers like Jeff G get fired. And shooter games are pretty much the most prevalent. And the online portions of games, made of mostly rehashed single player elements, are the main part of the game half of the time.

I wish someone had warned ME.
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ginsunuva  +   935d ago
They also don't have that massive, immense manpower to implement pc gamepad support, either.

Guys, actually gang up and boycott this dlc! Who cares about a prothean? But there will still be those mass effect super fangirls who will buy anything mass effect-related.
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Godmars290  +   935d ago
Need to boycott the full game. For at least month. Even a week.

But of course that's not going to happen.
SilentNegotiator  +   935d ago
Boycott it?? ZOMG, you're not a fan, then! Any TRUE fan would be willing to take all of that abuse for one single game in a series they like!

/sarcasm
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da_2pacalypse  +   935d ago
I'm boycotting. Bioware/EA deserves no more of my money. I've been purchasing their games for so long, and they just keep dumbing their product down in order to appeal to the largest possible audience. I'm tired of it, you can only go so far in terms of broadening the audience until you get to a point where all games are alike. It stops innovation.

I'm done with EA products
TreMillz  +   935d ago
I guarantee this will be like a Zaeed DLC, somebody who you pick up and never use at all...and the dlc is not free at all both standard and CE will have to pay $10 cuz the CE is $20 more and im sure 10 of that 20 is for the DLC while the other 10 covers the rest
NewZealander  +   934d ago
for the love of mass effect yes i will buy every last scrap of DLC, this boycott scenario you want will never happen.

who cares about a prothean? are you serious?
ChrisW  +   934d ago
Godmars290,

That's what I'm doing. I will wait until EA is appeased with the amount of money they ripped off from everyone and heavily discount the game with all of the DLC included.

Maybe by next winter? Nah, it'll still be full price then.
caperjim  +   934d ago
@ginsunuva
No gamepad support for PC is one of the reasons i wont be buying it at all. If they are too lazy to include something so small then they dont deserve my money. I will buy another game.
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TheTwelve  +   935d ago
Silent, that post should go in the N4G HOF
pixelsword  +   934d ago
Actually, you don't have to pay to play Sony Games, just if you buy an old game, not a new one, for starters. It's not like where you have to may s subscription to play like Microsoft. If you buy the game old for your PS3, just make sure you're getting a deal; If you buy a game old or new for your 360, you still pay.

Besides, if Mass Effect 3’s DLC is great, it'll be even better when it's 20% to 60% off.

Muhaha!
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SilentNegotiator  +   934d ago
Sony PUBLISHED titles (R3, U3, Twisted Metal, etc), I meant. And I buy new 90%, I just don't like the inconvenience that online passes provide, nor their message about how publishers feel about our purchase of the game (as if they still own that copy of the game).
pixelsword  +   926d ago
@silent

Well, they don't; but every time a publisher/developer pushes and no one pushes back, this happens. Do you think Sony would have went this far if Microsoft got massive resistance for pay to play? XboX fans just grinned and took it, and opened the gates for every publisher to pull stuff like this.
Ravenor  +   934d ago
Didn't you post this exact same rant in another similar thread. Go you..spread the word! About...SOCOM's great Voice Controls, because "Alpha move to Zulu" (Truth be told I forget the name of each little 2 man group in SOCOM 1) was awesome and critical to the game /s. Let's not neglect to mention how the rest of the game was a total disaster SP wise, and was more or less broken on the SP side and the MP side (The first game, calm yourselves.)

Shooters have always been prevalent, Review scores are irrelevant, Why wouldn't MP assets and gameplay be similar? I also wonder if you haven't noticed that developing games is kinda pricey, attaching MP is generally a way to "Improve" replay ability. Lots of PC games, even the original HL far before the consoles had spasm'd their way into the online world on 56k had MP.
Rashonality  +   934d ago
that's the last 7 years in a nutshell.
i feel your pain brother
knifefight  +   934d ago
Heh, your comment about going back in time and warning people about the huge changes reminded me of this:
http://www.gamerevolution.c...
It really is CRAZY how different gaming is now than it was 15, 10, or heck even 5 years ago.
DW74  +   934d ago
Fun little read there. I was 24 in 1998 and yeah, I was high on the hog as far as gaming went. I was alternating between Xenogears, Ocarina, Rogue Squadron, and Turok 2.
Genecalypse  +   935d ago
Publishers do it because they know they can get away with it, so yeah its part our fault too
DragonPrince  +   934d ago
"If you don't stand up for something, you'll fall for anything" - M.L.K.
denero1  +   935d ago
We need to fight with our wallet's voicing our opinion but then purchasing it isn't going to work we need to actually stick to what we say -_-
IM_KINECTED  +   935d ago
It's like buying gasoline for our cars, if the entire US didn't buy gas for a whole day then the prices would plummet.
DLC is like that, if people didn't pay out for it, we wouldn't be in the mess we are in.

The problem is that there will always be people that don't mind paying out for things that should be included.

I remember when I first heard of DLC, I was using the original Xbox and it was all free, KOTOR and even Star Wars Battlefront 2, which let you import maps from the first game as well as new characters. Now it's pretty much gotten out of hand.

So, we are all to blame in our own way.
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Pintheshadows  +   935d ago
If you think US petrol prices are bad don't come to England.

I agree with you that if people continue fronting the coin then this DLC trend will continue. Unfortunately even if every member of N4G boycotted the game it wouldn't be a large enough number to discourage EA in the future.

It's balls and perhaps requires somekind of intervention from outside the gaming community as it has gone from being a bonus to being calculated greed. All against the consumer which lifted them to that position in the first place.

I'm starting to feel that in their partnership with EA Bioware will have a similar fate to Squaresoft after they became Sqeenix.
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IM_KINECTED  +   935d ago
EA is the worst thing to happen to Bioware. I love Bioware's games, but the quality has diminished since EA took over and the emphasis on the DLC is ever higher.

I avoid trying to get DLC, at least at first. I did buy all the DLC for ME2 when Microsoft ran a deal a couple of years ago and everything was really cheap.

I want to support games like Mass Effect and companies like Bioware, but I hate supporting EA in a big, big way.
The problem is that if no one buys gas on Monday, then there will end up being a spike in demand on Tuesday. A prolonged boycott of one company might have a greater effect. Stop buying from EA altogether and see what happens.
Rupee  +   935d ago
Yeah it probably is...
majiebeast  +   935d ago
Im gonna pirate it so they lost 40-50$ instead of just 10$. Its not bioware anymore since the cash in crapfest they called dragonage 2, its eaware now. Also gonna quit resubbing for swtor when my sub runs out in march.

IMO ea has just got back their crown for worst publisher from activision, hope they are proud of that cause that take's a lot of work.
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Lord_Sloth  +   934d ago
Sorry to inform you but EA's not really faulted for Bioware's greed. Pretty much every Bioware game since DA:O have been ravaged by DLC but not really any other EA games suffer this problem. Dead Space 2 forexample didn't have a crap load of Day 1 DLC. All they had was the online pass. Everything else came later and there wasn't really a ton of it even though Dead Space 2 did very well.
TekoIie  +   934d ago
All their games are published by EA now and I bet they have the final say in near EVERYTHING. Look at what DICE has been saying recently about EA not allowing them to talk about patches with the community...
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Lord_Sloth  +   934d ago
We all know DICE are a buncha greedy douche-bag elitists anyway and they don't try to hide it. That's your defense?
DW74  +   934d ago
If you don't think EA calls the shots about DLC and a myriad of other things with their various studios, then you know nothing about games development.
h311rais3r  +   935d ago
The things happenning at EA is the soles reason I pirate. I buy every game unless they pull this crap. My steam library is over 300 Xbox over 60 ps3 over 50 etc but when a company pulls this they do NOT deserve MY hard earned money. Suck it ea.
Malice-Flare  +   934d ago
well, it's certainly not their fault they see MS successfully charging a subscription for online play, when others are offering free online play and people are not buying...
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No_Pantaloons  +   935d ago
Its not MY fault cause I've followed through and NOT purchased any game where the publisher has tried pulling shit like this.

As for other gamers, yea its their fault. Stop being sheep and focus on other hobbies so your peers wont get wallet raped.
TopDudeMan  +   935d ago
It ain't my fault. I haven't given bioware a penny for DLC. I got what was on the ps3 disc when ME2 came out, that was it.
TekoIie  +   934d ago
That port must have been dirt cheap to make. All you need do is look at the quality compared to the other versions and you'll see -_-. Audio synch issues, frame rate dropping below 20 in combat...
monsterduc1000  +   935d ago
I was going to get this on launch day, but because of this dlc shite, I will be waiting for a price drop in the game or a down the road edition with all dlc included for the regular price or less. I got enough to play right now that can keep me occupied until this happens.
Gamer-Z  +   935d ago
the truth
If you guys really want to stick it to EA about this DLC crap then you need to spread the word not just here on N4G but on every gaming and non gaming website, hit up youtube, Gametrailers, gamespot, gamestop comment section, twitter and tumblr.
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vortis  +   934d ago
I agree.

All those website owners pretending to be average commentors need to spread the word via blogs, etc.

As you mentioned, this needs to go out further than just N4G.

I wanted to know how Mass Effect 3 ended (and played) but I think the principle of the matter is more important: No more day-one DLC stripped from the main game.

No more price gouging for rehashed content (I'm looking at you Activision)

No more supporting $60 games with 4 - 6 hours of playable content (I'm looking at you Syndicate)

The PS2 era was a lot harder to design games for, indie devs DID NOT exist on home consoles the way they do now but the quality of games were much, much, much higher.
Red_eyes_Gremlin  +   935d ago
And this is why i will download this game instead of by it.

i will NEVER.. NEEEEVVEEERRRR pay money for a game that isen`t "full" at release.

So to the devs - FUCK YOU very much.
Now where were that torrent site where ME3 were found again?
Lord_Sloth  +   934d ago
Hate to say I told ya so but I did so...Told ya so!

Bioware's greed is funded by it's raving fanbase as is most devs. They can put out mediocre titles full of bugs and issues and still turn a ridiculous prophet for it AND have their fans argue about the "quality" of the product in question.

Before you start blaming EA instead of Bioware remember that Dead Space 2 wasn't plagued by DLC. It ONLY had the online pass when it launched.
ninjahunter  +   934d ago
Controversial is as much our fault as cancer is our fault. I know some people cant help it, but for alot of people its the way they live, they have a choice, just depends how "comfortable" you want to live.
AngelicIceDiamond  +   934d ago
@Up top: Now ppl want to Boycott, how come ppl weren't doing this when Cod Elite got announced? Say you didn't pay for the hardened Edition back in November, and you buy the game, the DLC will cost you 15 dollars ok fine. But wait a minute I have to sign up for elite to even by and own the content What if I don't want to sign up for it? The real problem at hand is People seem to be ok with Cods tactics.

Cod 60$ Elite 50 for free map packs 110 dollars if you didn't pre-order it. Plus they force you to be apart of elite if you want the content no thx, I rather buy it off the XBL or PSN store. At least with ME we're still playing the full game regardless of some content cut.
FrigidDARKNESS  +   934d ago
No, it's the corporate greed of EA who controls Bioware decisions.
HotxIce  +   934d ago
I'm tired of people complaining about this.

If this really makes you that upset then don't buy it; I don't think anyone will really care. They wouldn't do this unless they knew that a lot of people would buy it because generally, most consumers don't care that much.
Redempteur  +   934d ago
i'm pretty sure i asked for a full experience day one of release without any kind of cuts of censoring .

i got day one dlc ...

My conclusion is that the end result is not my fault.
MilkMan  +   934d ago
LOLOLOLOLOLOL

Please...
I cant even bring myself to write anything...let me find another article while you guys ponder this authors question.

LMFAO!
Hufandpuf  +   934d ago
It's not my fault. I only bought the Shadow Broker DLC. The only worthwhile DLC ME2 had.
kesvalk  +   934d ago
if you guys think that boycotting the game will make things go back to how they were, you guys are going to be dissapointed...

the DLC don't sell? they will simply cut off the game anyway, they just not put up as DLC...

remember when ppl stopped buying guitar hero because the quality was dropping? that is what will happen, then they will release another game that is very similar to the extinct one and ppl will start to buy again.

you guys should've done something before it came to this point...
iliimaster  +   934d ago
well this makes me hug my modded xbox just a little tighter lol
ufo8mycat  +   934d ago
As much as I'd hate to admit it, these greedy companies aren't really to blame.

The vast majority of people would still buy the DLC, hence why EA do this, because they know most people will buy it regardless.

If the vast majority of consumers stepped up and didn't buy it, this wouldn't be happening.
_Aarix_  +   934d ago
Unfortunatly no alot of people will go for the idea. I mean you cant spam comments and stuff but youll end up pissing people off. Imo bioware was better off with microsoft, yes i know people want it on their ps3 but ea is the worst publisher for games ever. Hell give bioware to anyone else.
OooHJohnny  +   934d ago
I remember when "expansion packs" were free... Who had the great idea to charge gamers? Oh yeah... let's thank Microsoft, EA and Activision for that...
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Sargerus  +   934d ago
From Casey Hudson's Twitter (Executive producer of the ME series)

"For the many who asked, plot arcs of the Protheans and other races are resolved in #ME3, not DLC. That is after all the focus of the story"

https://twitter.com/#!/case...
squallcloud9  +   934d ago
I wont be buying mass effect 3 on launch day anymore. i think i will wait for the cheaper complete edition becoz i hav enough games to keep me busy till then. or i will pick up ME3 used. Day one buyers are suppose to be rewarded for their loyalty but instead they are treated like crap.
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SneeringImperialist  +   934d ago
Controversial? Pffffft!!

Your all making a big deal out of nothing lol, grow up you whiny girls and accept this as fact either buy the game or don't EA/Bioware does not care whether a handful of over-entitled bitches don't buy its games over such a petty reason.
Rowland  +   934d ago
how can a well respected quality company of long standing go so badly off course, from casualising RPG's to ripping off their customers to getting into bed with EA, the biggest mediocre jack-of-all-trades-master-of-n one on the planet ?

Answer: The people at the top are just in it for short term financial greed.
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vikingland1  +   934d ago
I want to see what a prothean looks like.
teto83  +   934d ago
Ea is an awful company. Online pass is just plain wrong for people like me that has a family that plays the same games. Now you have to pay $10 for every account that wants to play fifa,madden or need for speed. I stop buying madden and i will not buy more NFS, but I am buying all of the content for ME3 despite my better judgement.
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