Mass Effect fans are outraged at the content and release plan for the recently leaked From Ashes DLC, but is it really that bad? Ben, from StickTwiddlers looks at the facts and comments from Bioware.
IMO if a developer has DLC already made especially even before the official release of the game then its something that should have come on the disc, either way they are owned by EA and EA have a track record of releasing tons of DLC before games even come out. In most cases EA's DLC is already on the disc and you pay to unlock it which is beyond a joke to be honest. I think day 1 DLC like this should be free for everyone because even if the developers use the excuse 'we decided to do it after the game went into production' then it should be free. I am guessing they cut a lot of content out and will just sell it at a premium, I rather have more of a single player experience with RPG's than stupid idiotic online modes that EA is slapping on ALL of their games such games like Dead Space 2 I mean why??
Because EA doesn't care about consumers.
Sadly, the day 1 release of such an important cut content isn't the real issue here. The issue is that there are tons of people on Bioware forums that are fully supporting this. Some idiot even said that Bioware didn't need to release this DLC since it was a Collector's Edition exclusive yet they did and we should be thanking for them. I mean can you believe the crap these people spew? Trying to justify a pathetic behaviour as this. James Vega and Diana Allers is in the retail game. But a squadmate who's a member of a species that's been extinct from the galaxy for 50.000 years and has an important place in the Mass Effect lore, is a 10 dollar day 1 DLC. And people are supporting this... http://social.bioware.com/f...
It's releasing on the same day as the game. If they were able to get it okay'd for Xbox LIVE and PSN, then they really should have had time to have it put on to the gold copy of the game. And here's a little problem: If it IS a major part of the plot....we're losing that part of the plot unless we pony up a total of SEVENTY dollars. If it is NOT a major part of the plot, then why is it $10? Why would I want to pay $10 for a side-story, and if it's important, why isn't it included in the game? Plain and simple, they're screwing us. Between day 1 DLC, the pass, resources spent on multiplayer, being lied to about certain features and reasoning.....why support these people? We've met the epitome of everything wrong with modern gaming, and people are apologizing? People are saying that they can't pass up ONE GAME to make a stand? My fellow gamers, where does it end? What do we put up with to play one game- No....to PAY for one game ($60+)?
Just wait for GOTY/Complete Edition. ME3 releases during Black March, more reasons to protest with your hard earned money.
Sony and Microsoft require developers to have details plans of their DLC when then go through the licensing process for the game.
Wow, i dont see the point in complaining about it. They're not gonna change it and at the end of the day , they are a bussiness and theyll do whatever they can to get money. If your a huge Mass Effect fan, like me, youll fork out the cash to get it, if not , your loss. Ive bought up every singe piece of ME DLC since the first game.
In the most rudimentary words I can conjure, Financially and from a purely business oriented standpoint, No it's far from wrong. Actually it's very right in terms of profit. However, if one were to look at it from a longtime fans perspective, who has vested deep into the series not just with previous time and money, but more in terms of being emotionally connected resulting in an entitled heir of free content,..then Yes it is wrong. Simple
Actually, if you're a long-time fan and have bought all the DLC from the start, then it won't matter to you, because you know the quality for which BioWare is known will be present and therefore justified for the price.
Very true, I'm a sucker for mass effect DLC I end up getting it all and that's why I ordered the CE. Might as well get some crap to throw away with my day 1DLC lol!
10 dollars (1/6 of the game's price) for one dude?!
That one dude is also a member of a supposedly extinct race. Which should add alot of backround to the main story. It almost sounds essential to the story. That's why it's DLC ;)
If it's essential to the story it should of been in the game not DLC
No, it's one guy, his mission to Eden Prime, the weapon you'll get, and extra costumes for everyone. That's more than worth $10.
No it's not. It'll only be worth it, if the mission is long enough.. You can buy some (arcade) games for less than $10, and have more content.
i read the article. at one point he says this: "I personally think that people are putting way too much faith into how integral to the overall Mass Effect end-game this DLC is going to be." and this: "This new demographic isn’t as bothered about the lore and are more into the new combat focus, furthered by the inclusion of a multiplayer." but that's beside the point, because of what he previously said: "I agree that day one DLC and only making it available to those that buy the Colllector’s Edition is wrong." whether it turns out to be great DLC or a worthless addition, the bottom line is that we're being cheated out of content that's ready at launch and ties into the Mass Effect universe. and even the people buying the CE don't get it for free, because you're still paying extra for the CE. also, i don't buy this explanation: “It takes about 3 months from “content complete” to bug-fix, certify, manufacture, and ship game discs. In that time we work on DLC. On ME3, content creators completed the game in January and moved onto the From Ashes DLC.” is that true? maybe so. i wouldn't know. but that doesn't mean they have to charge us for more of the game DAY ONE. DLC should, as it's pointed out somewhere in the article, extend the life cycle of the game. you're not extending the life cycle of the game by ripping us off for $10 more, on top of the $60 we already paid, by releasing something day one. unfortunately, i'm such a huge Mass Effect fan that i'll most likely be getting the game day one anyways and buying any DLC that adds more characters and/or missions. but the bottom line is that from a consumer standpoint, which matters a lot more than any articles or dev/pub standpoint, stuff like this really sucks.
And as I said right at the bottom: "Putting a rather prominent character as DLC made available to those who purchase the collectors edition or have 10 bucks is a bit of a harsh move for those who can’t afford it. Instead, making this content available to all those who purchase the game new, as they did with the Cerberus access for ME2, would be much better but obviously less profitable." Regarding people buying the CE not getting it for free, the bonus character has always been advertised as well as the 70 page art book, fabric patch, lithogrpahic print, whole load of DLC, digital soundtrack, Normandy avatar prop and metal case for an additional 20 bucks is pretty damn amazing. Especially when you consider the collectors editions who charge the same or more & don't include any physical bonuses. A lot of DLC is ready at launch and then released further down the line. The reason Bioware have given for making it day one is that they wanted players to experience it from the get-go as opposed to 30-60 days down the line. What it sounds like your saying is that if this DLC was released post-launch, but still free to CE buyers but paid for everyone else, everyone would be less annoyed than they are as it currently stands.
Actually the bonus character was advertised, then removed, then added once again AFTER the CE's had sold out. I know several people who dropped the CE once the character was removed, only to have it put on again yet now they couldn't upgrade their order. Thats pretty bad on the companies part.
"The reason Bioware have given for making it day one is that they wanted players to experience it from the get-go as opposed to 30-60 days down the line." That is a piss poor reason. If they wanted us to experience it from the get-go.. It would be on the freaking disc, from when we purchased the game..? x_x
Many will beat ME3 prior to any DLC coming out. Some players when finished with this game and given the amount of grief they are giving it probably won't even touch the DLC or this game again. Therefore, I can't seem to understand what the big deal is here. A Prothean member is clearly unnecessary...and is an add-on. Zaeed and Kasumi in ME2 were too and when added in they brought a little bit more to the game but nothing substantial. The DLC for this game will be for the main story which many will have been finished with by the time any DLC releases.
I went through ME2 like 4 times, I'll probably be replaying this one a few times too. You can still play DLC after you beat the game.
I was speaking more to those who won't enjoy this game but are complaining about future DLC packs which they probably won't even buy or end up playing after beating the main story. I too will be playing through this game multiple times like I have with ME1 and ME2. Not all players will be able to just go into the DLC after they beat their campaign. Some will have to load from points prior if things go south for Shepard in their game. Unless they are going forward with continuation DLC outside of character but I haven't seen that confirmed.
@MasterD919 you do realize that this DLC is Day 1 DLC right? So it is IMPOSSIBLE for anyone to have beaten the game before this DLC comes out.
DLC is optional. End of story.
@MasterD919 yes it is optional. Just like sugar and creamer are optional for coffee but how miffed would you be if the waitress said to you its extra for sugar or milk after you bought the cup of coffee. This DLC isn't just a character its a mission too.. it all comes out on Day 1 and from all reports its a pretty big/important to the story line peice of DLC. This wasn't advertised on any retailer sites... the only place you can find mention of it being in the N7 edition is on EA's site. I realize you may not care cause you bought the N7 edition....good for you. BUT more than anything this is a very dangerous rabbit hole EA has just taken us down. ME3 at launch for the full game isn't $60...its $70. Worse yet is that EA is doing this price jack totally under the radar with the mask of DLC...but the truth of the matter is ME3 is a $70 game if you want the "entire" game that they are offering on day 1. It's not $60 as they have lead many to believe.
Don't buy it. Reason everyone is complaining, is that they cannot pass on it. Everyone would be happier if this just flat out didn't exist. I'm not making excuses for EA, im just kind of sick of all the hypocrites complaining and then still buying it. Also... this could be the best game you ever played, but all you will think about is what you DIDNT get instead of what you did. I am not buying the DLC, unless i feel like the final product is good enough to pay for more content, same way i treat every game.
"A Prothean member is clearly unnecessary...and is an add-on." Lmao,really? You seriously believe that? Because they have nothing at all to do with a major plot point, right?
As far as i'm concerned that is massive.
i dont really have a problem with this simply becuase its meant for the collectors edition. and for those buying the collectors edition, they deserve some in game content thats substantial. giving away little maps and other stupid useless things in collectors editions of games is retarded. in game content is what should make up most of a collectors edition and thats exactly what this is doing. the only reason its dlc is becuase once the collectors edition runs out, there would be no other way to get this content. so if anything fans should be happy, there making this available to those who didnt choose the CE and you pay 10 dollars to get this collectors edition content instead of 20 like those buying the CE
Can't wait for my CE version, it's a good thing I preordered early.
@Captain Qwark 9.... Sorry but NO you don't deserve extra in game missions for the single player experience or unlocked sp characters that are a major part of the game. You buy the collector edtion because of all that extra crap...the nice tin the game comes in, the exclusive comicbook, sound track, avatar item... ON top of that...the mission and character dlc weren't advertised on ANY major retailer site. The only way you could know about it now would be having seen EA's own site. This little tid bit was missing from the description of the N7 edition on Amazon, Best Buy, etc... EA threw this in as a cash grab and apparently never bothered to update the retailers on this. That kept their production of the N7 editions low and will force all others to "BUY" more content that should have been in the game from day 1 for everyone. Its a cheap ass tactic on EA's part to save money on producing more N7's and handcuffing their core audience. ME3 for all purposes is a $70 game now not $60 as they try to advertise it.
your guessing that the DLC is essential. You dont know, guess all you want. Again it sounds like I am saying this is OK, its not. I just want to counter argue the whole "essential" bs people are throwing around. have you read the leaked spoilers and I'm wrong? or is everyone guessing that this is an absolute necessity.
Is this article for real? YES ITS WRONG! I am 100% behind charging for locked content behind used games. Why? because the devs don't see a dime. But this, this is wrong. Why should the standard edition buyers be penalized from an important character, a Prothean, a race central to the Mass Effect story line since inception just because I didn't buy the collectors edition. I DON'T WANT ALL THE CRAP THAT COMES WITH THAT EDITION. Buttons, napkins, bobby pins and maps. Whatever. What I want is the game. If I lay down my money I should not be penalized. This is going down a murky, dark path now. So my 65 dollar purchase is now going to cost me 75 dollars? That's nickle and dimming me. I'll finish this dumb *ss series without the DLC and be done with it. F*ck you EA and Bioware.
Its a total slap to the face to the ME fanbase. I'm not going to buy this game new. at least not now. People that defend EA/BioWare are disgusting idiots who obviously don't see how they are been taken advantage of and really don't care. This won't stop until people make it obvious to marketing people at EA that this is dirty way to make a profit.
If you got it for free for buying the game new I wouldn't have an issue but this is like buying a cup of coffee and then being charged to add cream and sugar. This is just exploitation; EA knows how much the fans love this franchise and so they know that even though we will bitch and moan we will still buy it (at least I know I will even though it's totally tasteless).
why can't people that pre-order get it for free? why do CE buyers get more in-game content? I'm all for extra items included WITH the DISC in CEs but to put extra things IN the DISC is pretty stupid. my status changed from Day 1 buy to wait for used copy. And even if I pre-order and buy new, I'd still be fucked over by EA.
Agreed. I'll buy down the line when it's cheaper, or at least at the $60 price point.
I hate EA. Done dealing with their crap
These early Preorder deals are annoying. I'm not supporting Ea. LAWD... and they try to talk about COD and Activision ? Lmaooo.
I know right? I have no idea who is worse between EA and Activision. Gosh, I remember buying games on the PSX and playing them until they scratched up and didn't work anymore. I NEVER TRADED IN A SINGLE PSX GAME. Nowadays you don't get the full game for the full price until you buy all these extras, unlockables, multiplayer passes and content accessibilities. Thank you EA and Activision for ruining gaming.
I'll be getting my CE Day 1 anyway, but I understand why people are bothered by this.
This character is a huge part of the ME story and they know any ME fan will really want to know the only surviving prothian's story and have him on their team. This seems like it would have been in the game but was taken out because they know any ME fan will want this character and his story. This is just a way for them to get 70$ for the game instead of 60$. Huge disservice to ME fans and customers IMO. Id be fine if they just waited a few weeks to release this but This is a HUGE rip-off and disservice to fans. This is not some extra character in a fighting game or a new skin or weapon, this is an extra character in a story intensive game that is a PROTHEIAN!!!! Prothians are a huge part of the story of ME as they were a really advanced HUMAN-LIKE race that was supposed to be long gone and transformed into the collectors by the reapers. But now there is suddenly a Prothian that you can have in your party IF you pay an extra 10$ Id love to know how he survived, what happened to the prothians, his feeling of hate for the reapers, etc, but in order to do that I have to pay an extra 10, even tho Im supporting them and paying 60$ for the game new the day it comes out. It pisses me off that I will pay 60$ for the brand NEW game on the day its out, and yet I will still have to pay $10 more to see not only a big part of ME3, but a HUGE part of the overall mass effect story, The prothian story and and anACTUAL LIVE PROTHIAN> WTF BIOWARE, really are ES's little [email protected] now huh.
Boycott the DLC like I plan to. They have my $60...they can F*ck off for any other DLC. I will NOT buy ANY ME3 DLC. This shit angers me to no end.
How about you buy it used? that way you get to play the game and reaaaally stick it to the man, even if you need to buy the online pass its only 10$ that goes to bioware instead of 60
"I'd love to know how he survived, what happened to the prothians, his feeling of hate for the reapers, etc" The thing is, Bioware hasn't stated ANYTHING about what this character is going to reveal. Fans are assuming that just because the character is a Prothean that he's going to give this insanely rich back history and provide all these incredible insights when it will most likely end up not being anything like that. If you really want to find out more about the Protheans, we'd all be better off downloading the free ME codex app.
Breaking news, For $20 you can unlock the reapers as an enemy. Otherwise you can only play the levels featuring Cerberus.
My main beef with this is more in how this information about the extra mission was advertised. Apparently on EA's site the boiler plate for what was included was all there but most popular (if not all) store/online shops seemed to have this nugget of info missing. I checked Best Buy, Amazon and Gamestop and none of them list any mention of a special crew member or DLC mission being exclusively included in the N7 edition. This just really feels like they added this after the fact especially given how none of the retailers have it listed.
I don't see much problem here. We knew there was exclusive content in CE, that's part of why the CE cost 20 dollars more than the standard. This DLC deal just lets standard versions of the game spend a extra 10 to get the content that was otherwise only offered to CE. The way you hear some people tell it, you'd think they'd prefer it if the CE content was never, ever available to anyone else if it has to cost something to get. I preordered CE because I knew, as a fan, I wanted everything I could get out of the Mass Effect universe, even if it was just a mystery squad member and a robotic dog. If they made this dlc free for everyone, wouldn't that be kind of a middle-finger to those of us who actually shelled out the extra bucks for the collectors edition? Either way they're still paying 10 dollars less for the content than CE - I guess the rest of it went to the CE's special box casing and all those extra physical goodies.
Don't defend them. I'm a HUGE ME fan as well, but this whole crap with the DLC in the past 2-3 weeks is total b.s. Sure people knew that it was going to be an extra character, but lets see last game the extra character was zaeed, and then you got kasumi. I didn't bother with the kasumi dlc, hell i don't bother with any dlc i have to pay because I find that it doesn't warrant my money any further than what I paid initially. The thing is that a thing such as a live prothean who can join your party is too much to just hide in the CE. The script for his dialogue was leaked back in november but people weren't really too sure. Then the dlc was leaked on xbox live. This character was made WAAAAYYYYY BACK! His story and what not was built alongside with the game. This is something EVERYONE should get. You want the pretty little bumper/magazine/map/krogan testicle that comes in the CE fine, thats cosmetics nothing wrong there. This is shaddy business on EA/BioWares part. I'm not going to say its just EA because Bioware is just as responsible for this. Back with DA2 same crap happened they released that DLC, which was EXACTLY the same as the Kasumi DLC for ME2. Sure you pay what $80 for all of those things, I guess you must also go the step further and buy the dolls! Cuz and the comic books and the dr.pepper cans which i'm sure they'll get involved. They should have made it free for everyone, this is too much of the lore to charge $10 for it. Like I said you pay $80, but in the UK 20 more quid is a hell of alot more. In essence your paying for a new game and a half if you have to with the standard edition. This is total bullshit from EA/BioWare and thats why I'm going to buy the game used. Simple as that.
My main gripe with this is simply the nature of the character. In making this character in particular DLC, they've, for everybody, spoiled what would otherwise be a massive plot spoiler, and either made it so that a significant plot reveal would have to be bought for extra, or that what should really be a significant plot reveal is now meaningless and completely irrelevant to the story. If it were anyone else, it would be fine.
Some fans are outraged. Those of us with the CE on pre-order aren't complaining at all.
I would say most, because CE if I assume correctly is indeed limited to those who Pre-order first.
When you get down to brass tacks, it doesn't matter whether or not the content is ultimately essential to the main storyline. Taking content out of a game and monetizing it is unethical.
I understand the part about the character and it being Prothean, I get it. But why are you complaining about DLC that people who bought the collectors edition paid for. It was always known that the collectors edition was coming with a character and DLC along with the other perks. Nobody complained about the DLC & character back when the CE was announced, why is that? You seem so annoyed about day 1 DLC on principle but where was your principles when they announced the collectors edition? Why should you be any different than the people who paid for the DLC + Character by buying the Collectors Edition. What makes you so special? Going by all you crying make it free to all, then it stands to reason those people that bought the CE deserve to have a $10 refund on their purchase. For those canceling their CE orders, do you honestly thing Bioware/EA give a crap. For everyone of you that cancels there be someone ready to buy it. It's not hurting them one little bit. Yeah day one DLC sucks, but where where you all when this crap started years ago. You all complain about it now, but frankly the horse has bolted. If everyone had stood fast and refused to buy games when this crap started you wouldn't be complaining now. You would have hurt EA, Activision ETC where it hurts and that their pockets. Instead your complain about something thats your own fault.
I'm sure most people, myself included, assumed it would be some weapon and armor skins and maybe a small superfluous character that has little to no bearing on the storyline. Though I'd like to just add that if you actually go back, there WAS a small outcry when it was announced. It's just been amplified to the point of protest now that the content has been revealed.
Well its always stated character + Mission http://imageshack.us/photo/... Let me get this straight. DLC on Day one is ok if its weapons, or a superfluous character? So the principles that everyone is complaining about is total BS, they are just pissed about what the DLC turned out to be. Awesome!!
Perhaps you misread, or more probably, mentally blocked the bit when I mentioned that there WAS a small outcry. There is ALWAYS a small outcry when developers release day 1 DLC. This is just a more egregious example of a practice that was already pissing people off.
You don't see the difference, because you are more than happy to part with $80, for lets face it mostly superfluous crap. CE just come with a little model ship and nice little map and maybe some stupid dlc. Your happy now because, you find out that the character isn't some generic character. Its a prothean, I bet you as soon as you get the freedom in the game you'll go and try to find him and find out about him. Its too damn huge not to. Thats what the people at EA/BioWare figured. Loyal ME fans won't resist not having the Prothean on their team. So how about we charge the regular versions $10/10 quid. They know for those that got the standard and are loyal fans those guys will feel bad but they'll buy the damn character, no matter the price. What if they added the Jersey shore cast as DLC instead of the prothean...hmmm?? well then no one would get it because they both look like apes. (Freddy vega and the new IGN girl, Chobot)
You just go to prove my point. People are bitching about day 1 DLC, claiming its the principle of the thing, when rather its they pissed off over DLC the CE people have paid for. Yet they want it for free. Everyone is bitching about day 1 DLC. If thats the case what don't you complain about every piece day one DLC? Because if it's such a big deal and it means so much to you why don't you complain every single DLC. It shouldn't matter whether it's superfluous junk or a Prothean you guys are saying its the principle of the thing. So start holding to your principles consistantly rather than when it suits you. Your all preaching about Day 1 DLC being wrong, but what it boils down to is more about it being prothean character than the issue of day 1 DLC. Don't get me wrong I sympathize, but all people complaining are coming across that they are butt hurt they didn't get the CE when they had the chance.
this makes me want to wait for a game of the year edition with all DLC included on one disk
Considering the game is already on two discs for 360, I doubt you're going to be seeing a single-disc GOTY for it anytime soon. That being said, I do see where you're coming from, and that would be the best bet. However I don't think you should get your hopes up too much - theres still people waiting Mas Effect 2 GOTY Edition. It's very possible that a "ultimate all dlc included" edition is never going to come out. You're better off waiting for the initial game going down in price and swagging that. By then the DLC will likely all have discounted prices.
Here we go EA's damage control in full swing....What a stupid question. F%%%^ you EA I ain't ever buying a game from you... so long BIoware it has been great but I refuse to make EA some more money I'll leave that to the other suckers around here
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