OXM: "We underestimate how many core gamers there are," according to game director Todd Howard.
Seriously? Quest arrows and level scaling? If Skyrim is not a dumbed down version of Previous elder scrolls then I don't know the what is. It's being getting more and more dumbd down since Oblivion came out. I couldn't even call the game an RPG any more because they took out those elements for Skyrim. Action game in an open world. Edit- Yeah, that's the problem though, how far is it gonna go? It's already gone to far for me, I DIDN'T enjoy Skyrim. Only the first 10 hours or so feel fresh, after that it's feels like i'm repeating stuff in dungeons with minimal difference, simply the layout will change and humanoid enemies or spiders that may as well be human. Difficulty and my level/equipment don't affect a thing. And Dragons...jesus, would it be ok for God of war to have the same boss fight you over and over again? No it's boring I don't get why Skyrim gets away with it. Imagine if Dark souls had nothing but a Hadra demon as the 'boss' enemy in the game. What happened to FPS after Cod 4? Alot of things. Alot of attempted copies or 'Codifacation', Square Enix openly admitted attempting to copying Cod's pacing for FFXIII(Yes, linear and all action). Bethesda upgrades some things from Morrowind alot(animation, graphics, Combat while it's still crap, presentation basically). And literally Ditched the RPG side of it. And dumbed down their exploration with Quest Arrows and fast travel to any location found. Then there were some major improvements New vegas had which Skyrim just left alone, they SHOULD have stole those idea's and stuck them in Skyrim too. Skyrim's world is static. Nothing happens, no one cares about you or you're achievements except the guards who mention it as you walk by, but it affects nothing ever. This is a point of this generation, improve presentation, and make everything else worse, especially in the case of large games and RPG's, they have suffered the most from this. Short games can get by with it. Only a few RPG devs remain that haven't been doing this, Even Bioware are falling off. Mass effect 1 was the first hint of it while still retaining alot of what makes an RPG an RPG. ME2 is a shooter with a fancy level selector and some RPG elements. Which game is better? That's up to you. When I want to play an RPG I play one, when I want to play a shooter I play one. ME2 is closer to Stalker than an RPG, but at least the Stalker devs don't try to fool themselves. Despite the fact that their game has many more RPG elements than ME2 or Skyrim. It's still an FPS at heart and the devs know what it is. Oh yes TopDudeman, and Cod consistently sells millions and millions with every rehash. What does that mean? Nothing. It has fans and that's that. I hope to god Mods make my purchase of Skyrim worth it, but damn, i'll never believe Todd howards words, that's twice he's lied openly about this game http://www.youtube.com/watc...
One man's "dumbed down" is another man's "cutting the crap".
That's true, but I've played them all and in my opinion they've been dumbed down in a major way.
I have been a fan of ES since Daggerfall, and morrowind is easily my favorite game of all time but i don't really find Skyrim "dumbed down". Im the man that finds all these changes to be "cutting the crap". Not really sure why people consider removing worthless skills like unarmed or athleticism dumbed down. Or removing an annoying repair feature that made it so players would have to repair half way through a dungeon dumbing it down. Or even for gods sake removing a hit or miss stat like morrowind had isn't dumbing it down. Skyrim still has all of the RPG elements that a game like morrowind or oblivion had. I'm not sure wtf ppl are talking about when they say Skyrim isn't an RPG any more because idk if i could think of a game that was more of an RPG than skyrim was that released last year. Sorry to all of you elitists that need a hit or miss stat in your game but video games are evolving, not being dumbed down(ES any ways).
Dude, I don't give a crap. The game was awesome and sold millions and they're gonna make another game in the series and that's all that matters to me.
Still they should just shut up in this case . The game is awesome and a well oiled machine , but they cut and removed more than they added , too much to dare speak up about this issue
skyrim was not only dumbed down, it was generically bad
lmao they cannot be serious. the elder series got more and more complex as it went on. then at morrowind ( one of gamings masterpieces ) the series peaked. after that they dumbed oblivion down, but not too much. then skyrim dropped and they pretty much dumbed it down to a 1st graders level. they cut 10x more than they added to the series and now were left with a game that is 1/10 of what morrowind was. and @ reddead, i agree with you on every level man, even about me1 and 2.
Hardcore purists,i don't think their opinions are gonna count for much now because no matter how much you don't like something, you DON'T need send hate coments for Skyrim. I enjoyed Skyrim and that's all you can ask for is an enjoyable game.If you don't like new direction then don't play it.It's that simple,no need to have bashed comments.
Talk about overreacting. Action game in an open world? Skyrim isn't an RPG, I guess Mass Effect 3 is a tennis game, then
Although I had A LOT of fun with Skyrim, I do see that they have indeed 'dumbed it down'. You can't really level up skills like, say, unarmed. That should have been it's own tree. It's still a great game, I still have a lot of fun - but I'll have to admit, compared to Morrowind (or even Oblivion) it's dumbed down. (Still, it's awesome. If anyone hasn't checked it out, I'd highly recommend it)
yep - and the ME1 & 2 statement is spot on - something I've been making a call on for ages. Funny how those of us with something to actually say with passionate informed fact-based opinions and who tell it how it is quickly find themselves with only one or 2 bubbles on N4G. Mods ?
Couldn't have said it better. Agreed with everything except what you've said about ME 2 since I still think being able to give decisions of certain magnitude makes an RPG an RPG and not the other elements found in them. But still, very well said. It's good to know that there are people here that aren't afraid to voice their negative opinions against popular games.
No it doesn't.
I like to look at Skyrim as "streamlined" :) Yeah they may have removed certain things, but in many cases, those "certain things" pissed off more gamers than they did anything else. Sometimes to have to remember, its a game, not a grind.
It's a shame their was no levitate spells like the older ones. I want to level up into a god. I still think skyrim is a awesome game though.
Bethesda proved you could release a broken product and get a slap on the wrist from reviewers/be successful sales wise
It also proves bugs/glitches can takeover the game.
Not trying to sound like a PC elitist, but if you want Skyrim to be X, play it on a PC. Because there are a ton of mods that will do just about anything, I haven’t looked for I yet. But I am sure there is a living creature mod out there. (that is when you destroy a dungeon/area, it is repopulated with something else.
That's fine, but when it takes the effort of users to make the game do what they want it to, the developer shouldn't get the praise Bethesda has. As for the topic, I've played them all and the Elder Scrolls series has most definitely been dumbed down.
Skyrim is dumbed down, or else it wouldn't have sold so much and 8 year olds wouldn't be yelling about it everywhere. It has a LOT of content. But that doesn't mean it's not dumbed down. If 8 year olds love it, it has to be dumbed down. This country (usa) is not smart enough otherwise.
WTF is with you and 8year olds? How many do you know that actually talk about skyrim? I kind of find it disturbing that you apparently know so much about 8 year olds.
as much as i wanted to try skyrim i havnt bought yet cause all the glitches and stuff i hear of, rite now ps3 is my only option for skyrim and that platform is broken soo ill wait. i dnt get how they are soo happy and content with the games when people are still complaining months after release
For someone who played the heck out of Oblivion and some Morrowind i disagree.
I just had to get my word in about this story: I started playing Skyrim in Decemember, after some research i found the game graspable on a "Game mechanic" level, i didnt really understand the lore because the way its layed out on the wiki websites it doesnt exactly "show" (the lore in particular) in a n00b freindly way! I just got Oblivion (for free) i have to say, im having the same issue but im finding the game alot more complicated and deeper in comparison, perhaps TOO complicated for me (still dont know how to properly play the game) they seem to have made a HUGE amount of changes for example, the arrow to show where the quest is can sometimes be a HUGE help (and often make it too easy) but it isnt present in Oblivion, sometimes it seems needed...others it doesnt...but i would rather have it at the end of the day. Perhaps im just full of "Derp" but Skyrim (at this juncture) made alot of good changes to appeal to a more core audience - Basically i grasped Skyrim (first ever RPG) quicker than i grasped Oblivion after playing nearly 200 hours of an Elder Scrolls game! What does that tell you? But i still prefer Skyrim...For now....
Bethesda should 'smarten up' the the combat and animations.
Skyrim is 'dumbed down',even mind numbingly so. The numbing effect is prevalent in some areas more than others. Only in a year so terrible can we crown such a King. If 'dumbed down' appears as Goty after 10 hours in Skyrims mundane embrace....then it is already too late. I'm all for eliminating cumbersome gameplay......and adding depth and complexity as well.cut/add cut/add..... I know....difficult
Dumbed down as in, broken?, unplayable?
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