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Submitted by Aclay 913d ago | opinion piece

Why I’m Not Okay With Sony Ditching PSP Discs

Jason Schreier, Kotaku- "Last summer, I bought a copy of Shin Megami Tensei: Persona 3 Portable for the PSP. I'd heard nothing but fantastic things about Atlus's role-playing game slash high school simulator, and I figured it'd be a good opportunity to bolster my RPG street cred.

A few months later, when I finally opened the game, it gave me disc error issues. I couldn't play more than the first few hours without my game freezing up.

No problem, I figured. My PSP-1000 is pretty old. The Vita is coming out soon. I'll just start a new game on the new system, even if I have to pay five or ten dollars to digitally transfer my PSP disc. No big deal. Oops. Several weeks ago, Sony said its UMD transferring program would not be available in the U.S." (PS Vita, PSP)

zeal0us  +   913d ago
Move on and you will get over it eventually.
jujubee88  +   913d ago
Sony officials are all over social networking streams
Contant J. Rubenstien, S. Yoshida or anyone else and get a petition going, THEY WILL RESPOND.

Edit: Jeff Rubenstein is more of PR guy but, Yoshida is a real down to earth guy (who is the head of SCE WWS).
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MaxXAttaxX  +   913d ago
@Kotaku, WHY?
There is no UMD drive on the PS Vita. AND WHY WOULD YOU WANT ONE?
Last time I checked, everyone supposedly hated UMDs and hoped that Sony wouldn't use anything like it on their next-gen handheld.

* Disc drives are bulky and suck up battery life. And where would they put it?
This was a good design decision.

* Don't like having to pay to download games? Then keep your PSP.
* Don't like the fact that a UMD drive will never be built into a PS Vita?
Then Keep your PSP.

* The only option would be an external peripheral.
Would you honestly carry that around? And would you rather pay for a separate peripheral instead of keep your PSP for free?

* Your UMDs are not useless. PSPs still exist and are being sold everyday.
No one's forcing you to get rid of your PSP.

Opinion pieces.... sight.
There's always something new to complain about, even if it makes little sense.
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JaredH  +   913d ago
@NathanExplosion

A lot of people thought it'd be like it is in Japan with you putting in some numbers from the umd itself and then getting the download for like $5, not the full price.

Personally, When I heard about the psp go transfer thing(and the Vita's) I immediately thought they were making a peripheral like the ps2 memory card converter for ps3 except it would transfer the game to your memory stick. Then they stayed quiet till weeks before launch in both cases.

I just think that parts shady on Sony's part since they waited weeks before launch to say no UMB support. Especially since they hinted at including it months before in both cases. It's not like people planning to buy one are going to cancel their plans weeks before launch. It's a good business move I guess...

I can see where they're coming from though. It'd be hard to implement because it could lead to mass game sharing and the ps2 memory card thing failed too so Sony doesn't have a very good reason to make one in the first place.
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darthv72  +   913d ago
well...
I would imagine that the US is more prone to piracy with UMD's than other territories.

It was a neat idea when they talked about it for the GO but unfortunately it didnt happen then either. I would say though, once Sony made psp games available for digital download I didnt find myself buying as many umd games anymore.

I have a Go and psp 1000 and even though I do have UMD's I was buying games via the ps store. Mostly they are all on my GO but I do have several mini's on both. If I want to play a UMD game...I play a UMD game.

What irks me is not all of the ps store games for PSP are available for the vita. Seems I have 4 titles i wont be able to transfer. MNR, Stardust portable, Killzone liberation and dante inferno.

MNR and stardust i can understand as there are vita versions available now but no killzone liberation??? It made me think that if sony were to make newer vita versions of previous psp games, those psp versions would not be playable if you try to upgrade. Seems that is what is happening with some (not all) games.

I wont really complain as I see the vita is meant for moving things forward in games with not only the graphics but the gameplay. Meaning cross platform play between vita/ps3 looks to be a big thing if sony stays on track to make it part of every new release.
triverse  +   913d ago
Unfortunately, I saw Sony dropping backwards compatibility with the PSP when they nixed support for PS2 on PS3 awhile back.

Much like anything, EVERYTHING possible is done to gain support in the beginning but then after a certain level is attained, features are removed.
SilentNegotiator  +   913d ago
"Much like anything, EVERYTHING possible is done to gain support in the beginning but then after a certain level is attained, features are removed"

So are you saying that starting off with BC creates support or not?
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triverse  +   913d ago
Obviously, if you have BC from the get go, it is viewed a positive from consumers that have already purchased the previous system. Reports state there are over 80 million PSP owners, that can be a lot of games that gamers can't use on the Vita without "re-purchasing" them.
Machioto  +   913d ago
The removal of backwards compatibility from the ps3 was financial,as for the author he is obviously stupid because the psp and vita have different formats to play games,if the go had proper support this wouldn't be a problem.

@neck The architecture of the ps3 is vastly different from ps2,that's why it was physically on the board and not emulated via software.
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MaxXAttaxX  +   913d ago
PS Vita NEVER dropped PSP backwards compatibility.
It never even had a UMD drive in the first place.
And you can play PSP games on the Vita via download.
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triverse  +   913d ago
Re-purchasing titles that you already own is not "true" backwards compatibility. That is simply reselling consumers on titles they bought once.
MaxXAttaxX  +   912d ago
@triverse
FYI a lot of people have previously bought PSP games over PSN and can be downloaded again to your PS Vita FREE of charge.

Just because you can buy games over the PS Store doesn't mean you're "re-purchasing" them. A lot of people are first time buyers.

If you already have a PSP and UMDs, then why get rid of it in the first place. No one's forcing you.
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smashcrashbash  +   913d ago
However everyone seems to be okay with everyone else ditching their last format for new games. Don't remember any picket signs or anyone getting up in arms when Microsoft's 360 barely could play Xbox games or Nintendo not even trying to get the Wii to play Gamecube games. So many people ditch gamers but Sony takes the hits. Sony has no obligation to create anything to run PSP discs to facilitate your cheapness. They could easily just ditch the old format completely and say 'screw you, buy the new games'
Neckbear  +   913d ago
There's a slight difference between "screw you, buy the new games" and "screw you, buy your old games AGAIN".

However, there's a fallacy in your argument: both Microsoft's Xbox and Nintendo's Wii could play (most) older games without issue, something the PS3 was uncapable of doing (at least until your almighty God Sony gave you the option to buy those old games you own...again. Much like the Vita), and that analogy doesn't exactly apply here.

But nevermind, people obviously have something against a multimillion dollar company, yep. Not their products nor policies (some of which are praised by the very same people "against them", I reckon), and it's not like it wouldn't happen if any other company did the same, oh boy, nope.

@smashcrashbash

Last time I checked, outside a newer revision of the Wii, the console can play all GameCube games without issue. As for the 360, the compatibility is around 90%, last I checked.

So...no, only the PS3 dropped last gen support in this generation.

"Why do people go knock on their door?"

Why not? It's a legitimate complaint many customers have.
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smashcrashbash  +   913d ago
What are you taking about? The Wii can't play older games unless you download them. Nintendo dropped the Gamecube games and never even tried to make them compatible with the Wii. And Microsoft dropped the Xbox and not all games were compatible with the 360.What do you mean without an issue? What issues did the PS3 have with playing older games?

Nintendo did the exact same thing. They made you buy over every game from NES to the Gamecube and never made ANY if the systems compatible with the last.And yet people badger Sony to do it as if they are obligated. Why do people go knock on their door?
AceofStaves  +   913d ago
The launch models of the PS3 are capable of playing both PS2 and PS1 games. Sony gave people the choice to have backwards compatibility, and when poor sales of the PS3 at launch proved that consumers weren't willing to pay for a feature-heavy PS3, Sony cut the PS2 backwards compatibility to save money and lower manufacturing costs.

So the PS3 was capable of playing older games at launch, and the launch models still can. It's the newer PS3s that lack the backwards compatibility.
Drummerdude41  +   913d ago
Actually my ps3 can play all my ps2 games, but sony dropped that cause people literally were asking for remakes instead of compatibility. And Nintendo drops compatibility all the time on their handhelds. Unless your talking about a direct Predecessor to successor format compatibility. And i see your point but 1, umd's were an outdated format when sony released them and in terms of business it would have been stupid for them to even put it on just for compatibility. And secondly can't you just use your Psp. Now i'm not trying to bash you. Im just stating my opinion and if i'm missing an angle you can inform me. Just not looking for a fight.
MaxXAttaxX  +   913d ago
If you bought a PS3 that has PS2 bc.... guess what
IT STILL DOES!

Sony never removed it from the system you bought. It had a physical chip and its removal was cost effective.
It was never removed from owners systems since it wasn't emulated in the software.

Only the newer PS3s did not come with it. So if you bought a new one, you never had it. You never payed for it.
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Anyway, you're off topic.

PS Vita NEVER dropped PSP backwards compatibility.
It never even had a UMD drive in the first place (Which would be bulky, crammed, SLOW and drain battery life from the Vita).
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resistance100  +   913d ago
The wii plays gamecube games.....

It's even got 4 gamecube controller ports and memory card slots for crying out loud.
jwk94  +   913d ago
New Wii's dropped GCN BC.
Ryasha  +   913d ago
The Wii does play Gamecube games. The only version of the Wii that does not is the "Family Edition" they released last year but the regular ones with GC compatibility are still being sold.

It's the Wii U that won't play GC games.
triverse  +   913d ago
My comment was based on Sony's track record in the console market. PS2 played PSOne titles without a hitch. Early PS3's played both PS2 and PSOne titles till Sony removed the PS2 capabilities.

That is why it is a thorn in the side of many gamers' sides as to how Sony is handling the PSP to PSVita conversion.

Why would I buy a Vita to play PSP titles that are digitally downloaded when I can buy a much cheaper PSP and physical, or digital, copies of games for it? What is Sony doing to give gamers that "urge" to buy the Vita? Not much at this point.
MaxXAttaxX  +   912d ago
@triverse
You buy a PS Vita for its features and to play PS Vita games, not PSP games.
PSP games are a secondary feature.

Did you honestly buy a PS3 to play PS2 games? That's what it sounds like you're trying to say with the PS Vita.
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I've said this above and I'll say it again.
A lot of people who buy PSP games over the PS Store are first-time buyers (of many PSP games). Not necessarily re-purchasing them.
I myself, have purchased a few games over PSN and, like everyone else who has, I can downloaded them again to my PS Vita FREE of charge.

If you happen to have nothing but UMDs, then why get rid of your PSP in the first place. No one's forcing you to do anything.

Many (and myself included) have had plenty of incentives to get a Vita for what it does and none of it was PSP related.
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Waddy101  +   913d ago
The whole issue of backwards compatibility is a strange one to me, some gamers like it because they can play there old games but in a year or two no-one will use the feature that much because there will be enough actual Vita games.
Take for example the DS and DS lite had GBA backwards compatibility but Nintendo removed it in the DSi.
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Mikhail  +   913d ago
Backward compatibility is only important in the first 1 to 2 years of console life wherein the library is not strong enough. That is why it is important.

Well,PS3 can play PS1,some Ps2 games(digitally of course) while the Vita can play PS1(soon) and PSP games digitally. See something in common? Digital distribution. Backward compatibility is easier when going digital. That is why PSN and Live along with Nintendo following suit in think kind of investment.
urwifeminder  +   913d ago
Why didnt they make bluray umd ?
Waddy101  +   913d ago
Because any kind of spinning disc drive is bulky and draws a lot of power. By opting for cartridge based games they can improve leading times and decrease size and power draw. Also cartridge based media is cheaper.
urwifeminder  +   913d ago
so umd on psp was a mistake then thanks for the info.
LOOK_AT_THIS_I  +   913d ago
This is such a tired ass arguement. Its a new system. Play the new games. I didnt expect the movie companies to give me a disc or digital download because I bought jurassic park when I was 12 and only had a Vcr. When the dvd came out guess what I did? I bought it. When my cassette tapes became obsolete because my car stereo with a Cd player wouldn't play them I didn't curse dodge because they took away a feature andtotally screwed me over making my entire music. Collection useless I had to adapt and so will you. Progress forward and try new things.
jwk94  +   913d ago
Backwards Compatability is useful for those that are early adopters that find themselves experiencing a drought because they can't find something to play.

There are only 3 launch titles that I want out of the 20+ out, seeing as how I never owned a PSP, I've been looking forward to playing PSP games that I missed out on, specifically The 3rd Birthday. I also hope that Birth By Sleep comes to the PlayStation Store soon.
Blaine  +   913d ago
Except the Vita IS backwards compatible. Only it doesn't have a UMD drive. So you need to get the games that are on the store. So you're in the same boat as people who owned a Go (me, for example).

I've been very satisfied with Sony's DD on the PSN Store. Except for some notable absent games from SQUEENIX (WHERE is Crisis Core? I hate you squeenix, why won't you take my money?), it's got most of the best games in the PSP's catalog. 3rd Birthday is on there, I'm pretty sure.

(If you like, I can suggest you some games from the PSP's DD backlog!)
badjournalism  +   913d ago
Another Vita bashing, shithole, flamebating article from Kotaku. Whoever is approving this shit needs to be fired. Out of a cannon. Into the sun.
jujubee88  +   913d ago
In terms of how biology and physics works, that person would be needed to be dipped into a chemical property to harden most of his/her skin, muscles, etc. Than, that person can be placed into a cannon, otherwise he/she would just explode from a cannon.

After that, the velocity to move (that much mass) at such high speed would probably break the sound barrier (again, we are talking about a human being dipped in stuff harder than cement, that is pretty much galvanized with another chemical property and dead already) and once that person reaches even part of the surface of the sun, the heat from the suns radiation would probably melt the person (and if there is still some bodily liquid, that would burst out from the immense amount of pressure on the exterior.

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You know, you could just buy and enjoy the VITA rather than having these flights o' fancy about shooting people out of cannons. Just a suggestion.
badjournalism  +   912d ago
Whether or not that make it the sun is of no consequence, as they'll be out of everyone's misery long before they get there. No, being shot out of a cannon does not kill people. Apparently you have never heard of "human cannonballs" in cicuses.

As it happens, I already have my Vita and quite enjoy it. That is no reason to not enjoy the thought of the people approving these and the entire kotaku editorial staff being fired. Out of cannons. Into the sun.
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Ascalon94  +   912d ago
hahahaha your name and avatar picture pretty much made my day.
Knight_Cid  +   913d ago
get a psp 3000

best model
Smashbro29  +   913d ago
It's only bullshit because Japan has a program and we don't. That's all. If you can't see why that's bullshit then you must have people walking all over you all the time.
Blaine  +   913d ago
The only thing I find unfortunate in this situation, is that eventually a lot of people are going to use this as an excuse to pirate games, and feel like they're entitled to it.

"But, but... I bought the game on disc because it was cheaper, and now this device that has no disc-drive won't allow me to play my last-gen game. FOUL. I will pirate this game because the digital version is more expensive than what I paid for it on disc. When I bought the disc I was entitled to both the hard copy and the more expensive digital copy for a marginal sum."
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Navick  +   913d ago
With all the games launching alongside of the PS Vita, some of you are crying about playing PSP games? Are you serious? If you own a PSP game then obviously you own a PSP and if you want to play a PSP game the use your PSP! Simple math. The PS Vita is a next gen portable (NGP.<) and I want this new experience that Sony is creating. Stop crying and start playing... simple.
archemides518  +   913d ago
UMD is the worst format in history. not only can it not decide what it is, it's impossible to clean properly.
MasterCornholio  +   912d ago
Last time I checked UMD drives did more harm than good. So the only reason why people want one on the Vita is for full backwards compatibility with PSP games. However the battery life would become useless if the Vita used a UMD drive.

XperiaRay
jacobie74  +   912d ago
sony sucks all that bs over a handheld, this is way its gonna fail cuz of you sony fans don't no what you guyz want, and plus cheap cell phone apps, is gonna kill vita game sells another case of a lot of hardware sells, and no game sell. but it looks sweet tho..
Ascalon94  +   912d ago
screw off hater
Hicken  +   912d ago
I'm glad Sony's not following what this guy is okay with, as the Vita would hardly be the major step up that it is.

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