Velocity Gamer asks why it's been so long since we've had a completely new system for the Call of Duty franchise. Click the link to see why!
COD fans deserve nothing preceded by the word "new". LOLZ !!!
They will always be happy to hand their money to EA no matter what and every time breaking the previous record :P
Wow, you are a grade-A dumbass.
Epic Fail, can't even Troll Activison properly.
I think that EA deserve my money for making the excellent Call of Duty franchise. I'd never give Activision my money though, their game franchises are awful, who would want to play Battlefield and FIFA.
Sh*t at least EA, well except for their Madden series, made a brand new engine for Battlefield 3 with Frostbite 2.0!!! Call of Duty has been the same game since Call of Duty Modern Warfare(2007). Yet people still play it.
@ Orpheus. Epic fail comment.
I think he was think about Battlefield ... seeing as how there is at least one Battlefield release a year. Back under the bridge please Orpheus!
Me thinks Orpheus is confused or completely lost. EA? On topic: You deserve nothing! We will serve you cow dung soaked in raw sewage on a rusty skewering rod with a side order or monkey feces with cat urine dipping sauce and you mindless drone idiots will thank us for it. signed Bobby Kotick ^That is Koticks mindset and 10's of millions of consumers prove him correct year after year, DLC release after DLC release. They will give the consumer a product that cost as little $$$ to make as possible. Sink the biggest portion of their budget into marketing it and the fans will line up like sheep to the slaughter while Kotick and Activision share holders laugh their asses off all the way to the bank.
I do not like Call of Duty any more than others posting here. But too many people in this thread are part of the problem. Is a new engine really the issue with CoD? Instead of worrying first about how the game looks you should be concerned about the play mechanics. The article discusses dedicated servers. What does that have to do with a new engine? A new engine will not engender dedicated servers. The author never justifies why a new engine will make the game better. Quite frankly the engine looks good enough to do the job. That isn't the main issue with CoD. If CoD were running Frostbite 2.0 with dedicated servers would it suddenly be the greatest thing since sliced bread? Hardly. The writer is a CoD fan and obviously sees nothing wrong with the game mechanics or the play structure. And that is the real problem. My issue isn't with CoD per se. It is with all of the companies spending millions of dollars and developer effort building CoD clones. Money that could have been better resourced.
And this guy ^ (morganfell) has 1 bubble. Just goes to show N4G's rating system is more broken than any game developed this generation.
Agreed with most others not really a problem graphically... My problems with mw3 are as follows... The constant lag. The piss poor map design u can tell they didn't even try with the maps that's why there is 50+ broke down cars in every damn map. The shading in the game is crap every thing is gray and blends in.. to many corners to camp in everything blows up spontaneously. Javilens flying everywhere rpg's flying everywhere noobtubes flying well... Everywhere if ur playing a game like search and the guy with the bomb dies in front of u good luck trying to shoot back cuz there is a big ass upsidedown gold triangle that says BOMB right in the middle of ur screen obstructing ur view while the guy u can't see is strafing back and forth 100mph using stalker pro that perk needs to be removed .. if there one thing BLOPS got right its the tubes being countered by blast shield and the snipers.. blast shield in mw3 is the most garbage worthless perk I've ever seen take it out or boost it big time. O yea the hit detection is crap also.. put them all togeather and u get a garbage game my dumb ass spent 100bucks for. O yea how could I forget the elite website that has been running for 3 months had hundreds of thousands ppl pay good money for it and STILL DON'T WORK RIGHT AND NO CLAN OPS ... End rant
Brand new engine? You mean the one they used for Bad Company 2 with the same four classes, re-textured and re-packaged as '3' with less destruction. I love Battlefield but I have to call it like it is... Bottom-line, those that think EA is better then Activision or visa versa are kidding themselves.
By EA he meant "Effin' Activision", right?
Help give morganfell some bubbles N4G community.
Why spend tons of money on a new game engine with a ton of glitches that will take years to iron out, when you have a perfectly capable and smooth game engine that millions of people buy into every year? You won't see a change in the game engine unless gamers stop buying Call of Duty, which I don't see happening. The next generation you'll see the same engine just upgraded, don't expect anything different from Activision, they're pressured to make massive profits and you don't do that by taking out what people are buying into and starting out with something you have no idea will work, its just safe and risk-averse business practice.
I suggest activision to go beg idsoftware for idtech5. Still activision has doom 3 engine(idtech4) with them
I agree and they have the money to pay for it but COD def doesn't use the idTech4 engine, it uses a heavily modified idTech3. idTech4 is only just recently became availible publically to outside developers when RAGE released. These are only games to use idTech4 Doom 3 (2004) – id Software Doom 3: Resurrection of Evil (2005) – Nerve Software Quake 4 (2005) – Raven Software Prey (2006) – Human Head Studios Enemy Territory: Quake Wars (2007) – Splash Damage Wolfenstein (2009) – Raven Software Brink (2011) – Splash Damage
I think a new engine would be good, it could at least make the game better and draw new players. As much as everyone hates on COD, enough people play it that they deserve some new stuff..
Weather they need it or just want it, really doesn't matter because they ain't getting it.. Activision is not done milking the franchise yet.. so Black-Ops 2 will be the same old engine regardless of what they tell you.... Can you blame them, you guys are buying the game like hotcakes every year regardless of if it's good or not.. (So why would they do a new engine when MW3 uses the same old one and it sold over 25 million copies..) .____........___...____ .____||......||.......____|| ||.........___||.......____||
What's worse is that someone disagreed with you, meaning they think that it's justified to pay $60 for what's essentially an expansion pack. Aside from the voiceover work, a talented group of 5 modders could actually churn out the same kind of content for Call of Duty each year within the same time frame if they had access to the assets and engine specs. In fact, there are more impressive Unreal Tournament mods out there than what we've been given with MW2, MW3, Black ops and of course, what we're going to get in Black Ops 2. They'll essentially add in content that was removed from MW3 that was in previous Call of Duty games and people will praise it like it's the second coming.
Wow really? Activision knows how to make a great MP? yea since 05 they can't balance out the glitches hacks and unbalanced guns even with year after year copy and paste cod still isn't fixed
Even when people are well aware of a troll they still bite.
IMO we should be able to sue them, we make them rich(over 20 mil copies sold) and they cant even provide dedicated servers, fix the same bugs that have been since cod:waw, make anti cheat software for pc cheaters(UT2k4 has it and its what? 8 years old), fking add a kick vote option, new animations or make a new engine. They are a bunch of lazy asses and greedy too
Sorry, but I disagree. You can't fault a company for selling a product that people want. Personally if I were to piss in a bottle, label it lemonade, and have people lining up by the millions to buy it, that's exactly what I'd do. That's what Activision does, why change the formula of a product that people go nuckin futz over? No need to sue anyone, if you don't like the game, don't buy it. That's the ONLY way you'll ever see innovation in the COD series...
call of duty fans deserve what there getting.
Yep. Fun addicting gameplay. And great times partying up with your clan, and enjoying a night of the most polished FPS on consoles. Cheers to that!
The most polished fps on console? Fun addicting gameplay? I can't understand how some people like cod so much. The gameplay is so repetitive I get bored really quick. I have a friend who owns all of the past five cods, and I can't imagine spending that much money on cod alone. I don't like shooters that much anyway, but cod is one of the lowest shooters imo. I would put Killzone, Battlefield, Resistance, and Halo all above cod. The only thing worthwile for cod is the local multiplayer. I mean no offense to anyone who likes cod, its just an opinion.
It's "fun" and "addicting" to them because it takes absolutely no effort to be good at it and it makes otherwise mediocre players feel empowered. Also the only reason it's even remotely "polished" is because they've been releasing the same game since 2007.
Whose Kool Aid are you guys drinking? EVERY FPS game is repetitive. Its funny how you can hate and criticize COD for something but put your blinders on when it comes to BF or KZ or Halo, etc. You can hate on COD for being so fast paced and "arcady", but then I could say BF is fool of camping Snipers and pu$$ies that jump in the nearest vehicle they can find and hide behind a Jet or Tank. At least COD is 60FPS and hast super slick controls. COD is a very polished game. I agree it needs a graphical facelift but I'm amazed how some franchises get a pass and COD gets all the hate. Worst part is, all that hate does nothing but take up your time. You aren't changing anyone's mind. We N4G gamers are the minority of the gaming demographic.
@jeseth "At least COD is 60FPS and hast super slick controls. COD is a very polished game. I agree it needs a graphical facelift but I'm amazed how some franchises get a pass and COD gets all the hate" All the hate LOL.....-_- you're serious arent you ? Look at the review scores.....This franchise gets more love then it deserves and it is only because of its commercial value. Many reveiw sites are fanatics also. The story is complete nonsence, so for me the 60$ tag is for yearly DLC. Now if you have time between frothing over a frohawk....the user reviews on any site in the WWW will show just how feed up gamers are...not just N4g. I think youre just silly and peolpe like yourself make it very easy for a company like activision to make billions with a complete lack of creative development through all their games.
"It's "fun" and "addicting" to them because it takes absolutely no effort to be good at it and it makes otherwise mediocre players feel empowered" This must be a joke. I am far from the biggest COD fan but just because you said the game takes no effort to be good i would love you to join one of our private matches and show those mad skills of yours. I see you rage quiting in 10-15 minutes.
@ Marked, I appreciate the personal attack. Didn't know you were so sensitive. I could care less which game sells more. KZ2 had one of the best MPs this gen but nobody really supported it. I think BF3 is great but more of my friends play COD so thats what I play. You know, because games are meant to be fun .... a good time to have with your friends! Did you forget that? Or are you too busy counting Pixels and FPS (Oh, wait ... you wouldn't look at FPS because it doesn't support your arguments). COD gets high marks from reviewers ... because ... wait for it, ITS A GOOD GAME! Especially when compared to its competition. And the recycled DLC argument is old and pretty weak. Each FPS is a gradual successor of its predecessor. BF3 is basically the next in line from BFBC2 (even though its actually the sequel of BF2) considering the way the game looks, plays, and engine (1.5 to 2.0). KZ3 to KZ2, R3 to R2, etc. COD adds new content to every game but you just blindly use the way the game looks to make your argument. Which only makes you look like a blind hater. I play all kinds of games from all kinds of genre's and as I watch you all hate on COD I wonder how much you really play games because games like COD are rare in their completeness. I also believe that the reason COD has "gone down" from the first MW is because Activision/Infinity Ward listens to their fan base too much. But in the end, games are just meant as a fun way to spend time, not meet your personal agendas. Give it a rest man and have fun. Pixel counting gets you nowhere.
@jeseth "EVERY FPS game is repetitive. Its funny how you can hate and criticize COD for something but put your blinders on when it comes to BF or KZ or Halo, etc." Of course they all are to an extent, but killzone, halo, and bf all have more variety than cod. Killzone is is very team based, and I really like how the objectives change during online matches, changes things up a bit. Halo and Battlefield both have vehicles, that there alone gives the games more variety in gameplay than cod, and in battlefield you can play very differently depending which class you have, and the destructable enviroments offer more strategy in the way you play. And because you have vehicles, there is more room for what people call "battlefield moments", incredible things you can only do in a game with vehicles. Cod isn't team based, doesn't have the interesting game modes killzone has, and doesn't have any vehicles to change up the pace of play. It's just constant run and gun for the most part. Again, this is just my opinion, so there is no need to call me a kool aid drinker.
You people are so wrong about COD. Endoran is right. COD is the most polished FPS on consoles, side by side with Halo. Who in the hell said Killzone has more game modes then COD? They also said that BF3 has more game modes. Are you kids freaking crazy? That much of fanboys? That much of haters? Even on this site, BF3 has faded under COD as what games are "hot" on this site. COD has more game modes than any other FPS on console that I can think of. You have Demolition, Domintation, Search and Destroy, Free for All, Team Deathmatch, and plenty more. You have all those modes with "hardcore" before them as well.... Then you have modes like Special Ops, or Zombie mode... You have Gun Game, Kill Confirmed, Infected... THE LIST GOES ON. You have to be a complete really, really something special, to think that BF3 and Killzone 2 have more game modes than COD. BF3 can't even put squad mates on the same team for christ sakes, and ALWAYS fricks up your squad and puts them onto two different teams. People who truly play BF3.. They know this to be true. What a joke some of you are on here. Oh.. COD isn't a team game. Ya, either is Killzone 2, and BF3. People jump in their tanks and jets on BF3, and puss out the whole time, not going for objectives, and turns into a free for all... just like all the rest of the games. I'm so tired of seeing the haters of COD, that don't even play the game. Then you have that one guy on here, talking about how easy COD is to pick up and play, and it takes no skill to play the game. Ya, I bet you suck hard at COD.. it amazes me how people say COD is so easy, yet so many people suck at it. You'd think more people would have a better K/D ratio if it was so easy wouldn't you? You COD haters are so tiresome. Again.. check the list on N4G main page, on what games are "hot". COD has passed the flash in the pan BF3 that was at the top spot, and nobody gives a crap about it anymore. COD is on top AGAIN, for a reason. PS.. funny how people, (well, most were problably little kids at the time they came out) but COD 3 had multiple vehicles, and COD [email protected] had tanks. Just wait till next gen when COD has tanks again, and vehicles. Hopefully it will have destructable enviroments as well next gen with the power of new consoles. And won't be a 30fps slow fest like Killzone and BF on consoles.
@jeseth Please dont generalize me......I'm not a pixel counter or a hater of any type. If your curious enough...check out my PS3 ID its marked also, my trophy list may speak for its self. When I want a pretty game...I play it on my PC. As for COD, it has become borrrrinnnggg in what ever state it exists...but, your assumptions and generalizations is what I laughed and found very silly. Please see it this way, the maps are what kills me...there is little room for diversity. Its the same traffic areas, the same flanks and the same miss managed weapons...ALL with different skins attached to a wire frame. What have they added? Dolphine dive and a theater mode which demonstrates how out of sync the connections are. I agree if you are in a clan that can populate a room....its alot of fun. Just call me jaded other wise. I hate when commercial tactics of youll be part of the cool guys community are systematically feed to me till I think its a must. Fuck popular culture....its mearly rich men brain washing the masses. By the way, I love your stuff. EDIT: one more thing. Does it not irritate you that activision will profit BILLIONS for rereleasing the same tech every year but only invests that money in high priced voice actors. Who gives a shit if ice cude is the narorator a month after its played? Who cares that they spend millions to produce a commercial with over priced actors? then spend several 100s of millions to put it during every commercial break possible for 3 months? Wouldnt you be happier if these fucking pricks could at least sell the game for 49.99....since they cant even offer dedicated servers or innovation. Screw 60fps...it makes little difference when you adapt and have no other choice. Id love to see all games run at 1080p and 60 + fps but, I had to pay a $1000 for that on PC. COD is like an old comfort that no one wants to get rid of and many cry when mommy comes to through it in the washer.
lol he said polished... they could simply make mw2, mw3, black ops, and black ops 2 all DLC to MW1
Naw, COD fans deserve better. Just like console BF fans deserve the full experience that is on PC.
COD fans deserve to be left alone. If you dont like COD then go play something else.
That's precisely what I did :)
No one cares.
@Jeseth Activision cares. They want more customers as well squeezing all of the money out of people like you.
That is well put. TBH Im not a COD fan I did not like MW and have not picked up a COD since but I think I have out done my self with FPS games when I look back at what I have bought over the last 4 or 5 years there has been alot of shooters bought by me. Halo 3, Halo ODST, Halo Reach, Halo CEA, Killzone 1 and 2, Bulletstorm, Alan Wake, Gears or Ware 1 2 3, Crysis 2, MoH, uncharted 1 2, Killzone 1 2 3, Bad company 1 2, Batlefield 3, MW, Resi 5. I know there not all FPS game but this is just some shooting games I have bought this gen and I have found my self playing them less and less and starting to play Forza 4 and GT5 more and more online.
Yes, we do but if that comes at a cost like less modes and 30FPS and even shorter campaign? It'snot worth it. PS3/360 aren't powerful enough to keep that 60FPS that sets COD apart from the competition.
RAGE says hi. Ok it doesn't have as much action and it has pretty bad texture pop in but they could scale it back a little, keep the 60fps and still be far prettier than the tweaked id tech 3 engine that COD uses.
Work out the kinks with the megatextures and such it would be great. The whole "we have maxed out the capabilities of the xbox/ps3" is just nonsense. Theres no one left at IW who has any programming talent nor are they willing to invest in something that could take more than 2 yrs! I dont even know if they take 2 years to make it. They probably just get a yr off from work then begin as soon as the other CoD releases. I bet theyll hire 4 or 5 studios when they really want to get the work done then theyll just absorb them into the company or fire them to save money/take all the credit.
Then play it on PC, where it'll run a more powerful engine at 60fps and above. This is why console gamers have ruined the potential of PC gaming. COD used to be a decent PC game.
Call of Doody needs to crash and burn, maybe this will wake up Activision.Otherwise they will just keep milking that name every year with same shit in slightly different package
Nah, that would cost 1/90000 of their money, they wouldnt do that.
While the CoD fans keep handing over the cash they aint gonna do jack!
And as long as reviewers continue to disregard the franchises repetitive nature, as I stated below, Jim Sterlings review is quite possibly the most unprofessional...
Within time COD will kill itself, cause Nothing in this world stays on top forever...
I'm pretty sure CoD will be on top for quite a long time assuming Activision takes the advice from the age-old quote "Those who fail to learn from history, are doomed to repeat it."
Why bother when the sheep are guaranteed to keep shelling out for the same old same old?
LoL thats what they are "SHEEP", rather have grass than dedicated servers.
Actually COD needs another publisher.
It's like what I said back when it was revealed Infinity Ward had recycled buildings from Call of Duty 4 in Modern Warfare 3: "Is it just me, or does the building actually look better in Call of Duty 4 Modern Warare than it does in Call of Duty Modern Warfare 3? How is this atrocious recycled ugly mess of a game receiving such high praise... The bad thing is, I had initially hoped that publications wouldn't be so blind in creating their reviews and give the game the score it rightfully deserves (around the 6.5-7.5 Mark) and that Infinity Ward might realise that they have milked the engine as far as it will go unrecognised and might actually pull their finger out, however, with IGN and such scoring the game 9/10, they will continue to do so as they realise they're getting away with it... Whilst developers such as Epic and Naughty Dog take the time and effort to craft a more beautiful engine and give gamers tons of new gameplay mechanics and such, COD gets away with downgrading graphically as to allow more stupidly outrageous Michael Bay moments and a new Multiplayer mode and they sell tens of millions of copies to the herds of sheep following the crowd, why are people so blind to the fact they are purchasing the same game year after year?" The engine is dated, and as long as the sheep continue to follow the heard and publications continue to turn a blind eye to it's repetitiveness and continue to give the franchise undeserving high scores then Activision, Infinity Ward and Treyarch are going to continue their con of a franchise.
AMEN. Couldn't have said it any better than u just did.
I hate CoD. But there is no need for a new engine. If you all want it too look pretty like BF3, it's going to drop to 30fps. And that will annoy a lot of people. Besides, it hardly looks bad. That and the engine they are using now is vastly improved and updated to the original engine used to make MW. Expect new engine on new console.
If u think cod doesn't look bad then u must not be playing cod...cuz it looks pretty damn bad
but it runs and plays like butter which is more important than graphics.
You guys are such blind haters. COD is a very good looking game. Sometimes I think you all lie to yourself so much you think its true. Just let people play what they want. Funny thing is that its always the BF fanboys on the offensive. I never hear COD fans attacking BF unless provoked. Its starting to remind me of the PS3/360 fanboys at the start of this gen. Its kind of sad how much the BF fanboys feel compelled to use their enrgy hating on COD.
BF3 on console doesn't even look good man.
Call of Duty "fans" deserve a new fresh game let alone a new engine...
Well i expect the expected.
Wow, this is getting pathetic. The COD engine runs impeccably smooth, looks fantastic and runs at 60fps. Why would any developer replace that engine? I love how people that don't even play COD and don't even like it are the ones passing the most commentary on it.
"Why would any developer replace that engine?" Because it's OLD. How long are you guys gonna keep justifying this? With all the money they've made, they could pay one team to specifically develop a new engine that still ran at 60fps and WASN'T A DECADE OLD. Call of Duty fans deserve better than the same shit with a different number. They- like myself- no longer buy or play the games because they're tired of feeling ripped off. Unfortunately, the idiots also known as fanboys are perfectly happy paying to keep things EXACTLY how they are. And because Activision's in it solely for the money, that's exactly what they'll make: the same shit with a different number. I want new character animations. I want new sound effects (you know, ones that actually sound like the weapons they're firing?). I want less of the computer (read: auto-aim) doing it for me, and more of me getting my own kills. I want a BETTER spawn system. If any of this sounds unreasonable to you, then I'm sorry, but you're an idiot. But you're damned right: I won't play and won't like a franchise that doesn't change simply because they KNOW 20 million people will buy it as-is. Hell, make SOME sort of effort, even if it's a step backwards. I'd rather give almost any other FPS dev out there my money, as pretty much anyone else is willing to take risks, shake up their game, and try something new. Even if it doesn't do well, I can support them for at least trying. So yeah, that Black Ops 2 will probably be the sixth game THIS GENERATION running on the same engine is PATHETIC. And it's more pathetic that you and so many others happily support and defend the highest selling franchise of this generation for... doing nothing.
You are such a fucking loser.
Now this is just being brought up?! Fans needed a new engine after MW1. Hell COD 2 even. They are still using the Quake engine and calling it theirs lol. Activision we know it's been the same engine since then. You just "modified" it. Can anyone say Madden? And while every one is complaining talking about the engine runs fine why do we need a new one. How about you talk like that if Activision pays Carmack to use the RAGE engine for a new COD game. Running at 60fps making the IW engine look last gen.