The Bitbag writes, "I'm starting to believe that Microsoft is trying to take out Blockbuster and Netflix. I don't however, think that they are trying to sabotage the HD disc market. Blu-Ray and HD-DVD are doing that themselves."
Wow and people call PS3 a Trojan horse.
another is disc form.
so if you ever feel like watching it again another day. you would have to pay rental ^^.
Still better off just getting the DVD version and let the player upscale it up.
Just how many times do you need to watch the movie? Even if I rent it 2 or 3 times still ends up costing me less than buying it. I have seen the movie twice. Once at the movies and once on DVD...I will not consider it a loss if I don't ever see the movie again.
I'm not going to spend money again just for me to watch it another day. Having a disc form. I can you know, if family or friends want to watch, i can easily pop the dvd in instead of telling them to wait so i can rent it through XBLM.
And no, I don't rent movies. If i want to watch a movie I'll go buy it, simple as that ;3
Wow, then you truly are a dream consumer. And what happens when the new must have format comes out? you going to buy all the same movies again? What if you collection gets stolen or suffers from disc rott and your insurance company won't pay out full replacement value?
Repeat viewings of POTC:AWE to me is the same as taking a 2nd look at your turd just before you flush it. You look at it the first time just out of curiosity or habbit but you don't waste your time with a second glance. Not unless you like watching sh*t...oh but wait...buying a movie like this would suggest you do...
Why would I rebuy a title I already have on one format?
The odds of me getting my disc damage/stolen is the same odds of Gabe Newell losing weight.
Anyways, you do what you want with your money, I'll do what I want with mine. Thanks.
its a game console dammit. sony and MS should stop it with the movies and focus on the games. especially MS, stupid video marketplace
 wow disagrees. prolly from fanboys that dont know their facts.
"so because of that they need to focus more on games?"
its not a dvd or movie player last time i checked. i bought the xbox360 for games"
why especially MS?
Edit: so because of that they need to focus more on games?
i mean theyve been doing a pretty good job with the games. and now this shows that they can be on top of both.
also i didnt give you the disagree
Edit: so you can do that you can play games. i dont see MS advertising the 360's video market place in their commercials like i see sony advertising the ps3 as a bluray player.
i read somewhere they dont care about hd-dvd and blu ray. there only supporting hd-dvd until they can get their video marketplace downloadables worldwide up and running, their digital distribution downloads
oh wait here it is: http://kotaku.com/gaming/xb...
I think you are getting disagrees because some of us like to use our consoles for more than gaming. I love the fact that my PS3 has blu-ray and my 360 has HD-DVD. Consolidating devices into one is awesome.
its like when you go out some people like to carry a phone which has a lot of memory for songs rather then carrying a phone and a MP3/4/iPod around, its the same thing i have taken my DVD player out of my room and put it into my brothers room since i got my Xbox 360 last year, i havnt looked back, especially with being able to watch all my DivX/xVid videos from my computer on my Xbox 360
I put plenty of gaming hours in during a week on my 360 but it gets more total usage as a media center. My daughter listens to music every day when downstairs (so it goes for at least 4 hours a day on music) and my wife and I rent a movie every week from the Marketplace.
Perhaps not so oddly, due to the HD wars and the fact I can rent on Marketplace my DVD purchasing has dropped drammatically. And given the ease of renting, I will not be purchasing at the same level once the format war is over. I will only buy those I know I will watch plenty of times.
Dark Sniper would rather prefer to watch this very same movie in Windows Media Format in high definition through his PLAYSTATION 3®. Not to mention every feature Dark Sniper just mentioned comes at no charge.
This is the treatment that XBOX slaves receive when they have "the choice" for high definition movie watching.
Every feature you talked about is no free on ps3 you damn liar.
The 360 can do pretty much every thing the ps3 can in terms of media streaming...ect And this is not media streaming its Media downloading your renting a movie then downloading it and watching it, You can setup streaming for free on the 360 from your computer and then download this movie online for free (and illegal) and thus watch it on the tv through streaming, do not act like it cant.
Dark Sniper likes spicy chicken.
One of Blu-ray's strongest supporter seems to be supporing digital distribution... mmm.. I wonder why? While blu-ray and HD DVd camp fight over dominace... it seems like microsoft is quietly gathering every studio support on the xbox 360 marketplace...
Physical media will not go away anytime soon. When broadband access is as common in homes as electricity or running water, then it will be viable. Thinking the video marketplace could impact the sales of physical media in the slightest is fairly misinformed or fanboyish, you pick.
Sounds like someone read Michael Bay's comments on how MS is controlling the speed of HD-DVD VS. Blu-Ray. Good for MS! I for one am not a big supporter of digital distribution only, but I would use it from time to time.
You can also watch spiderman 3 in HD on your xbox 360 or pc. Just download it on Vongo in HD format and stream it to your 360 through media center. Not sure if you can stream vongo straight to the dashboard, but maybe. Perfect for those who don't have a blu-ray player.
I will get login back in there to see it.
Also you can't run Vongo from the dashboard, but you can run it on your 360 using Media Center. I open Vongo on the 360 without having to get out of bed and going to my office. Just turn it on log on to MCE. You do need a wired Connection (cat 5) as I tried with a wireless g and it lagged a bit.
And I've been collecting them since 1997 when I purchased my first DVD player. Its nice to be able to pop in a disc from ten years ago and get great picture and sound from it at no additional cost. I can do that at any time with no real hassles.
If I had downloaded movies, I'd have to deal with DRM, protocols outdating themselves, failed hard drives, moving huge chunks of data around every time I upgraded devices. It would just be a total hassle.
I don't care if the rest of the world goes to a downloadable format, I want a physical media for my movies and music! In most cases I'll spend the extra money to have the original cases/artwork for movies and music too.
All I can do is hope there are other people like me out there. The day our artwork is stored in a format that can be lost, is the day we lose control of our artwork.
That's all fine and dandy and for as long as you have been collecting movies, you should know more than anyone that the format world is always changing, starting with Beta/VHS, DVD, Laser Disc, HD-DVD/Blu-Ray and now digital distribution. You either change with it or wilt in the past. Very easily can many of the formats co-exist. Like you, I would prefer a physical media, but am open to digital distribution. And they key to playing well with technology is using the most flexible, which includes overall value. If you want music and don't want DRM or higher costs, use MP3 and Alltunes.com. If you want a cheaper priced HD player, go with HD-DVD.
karebears post represents how i feel about all this.
+ bubbles karebear
Disney will soon drop Blu-ray and support Xbox live Video Marketplace and HD-DVD exclusivly. Just like Fox.
whatever you're smoking, please pass that sh!t
At least when Sony added the cost of Bluray in thier machine, it added value to game developers and consumers. Anytime you go on the XBOX LIVE Marketplace, you'll usually see banners for a new movie or TV show. Microsoft invested a ton of money into the Video Marketplace, and that's money that they could've spent on....um, better hardware?
I remember when people said downloads won't replace CD's, but convience of digital downloads (and piracy) and now most people enjoy their favorite music from their favorite artists without ever buying a physical CD, but CD's are still doing fine, and will continue to co-exist with dd, I think the same will happen with movies, there will always be players and hardcopies at least for the next 10 yrs, its obvious micro is just in the beginining stages, I think other companies will see the $$$ and either get onboard or begin rival services (cable companies) but once we have a few legitimate services in place I think in 3 to 4 yrs dd will be the norm, its simple a matter of convenience and consumers love convenience. cell phones, ipods are just a two of thousands of other devices that are insanely popular simply because they are more convenient than what was offered/used before.
edit: ^^^^^^aaquib5, I dont get it you call this a Trojan Horse but yet nobody's forcing you to pay extra because the console has these features, bluray is undoubtedly an added cost for ps3 which means if the consumer does NOT WANT to buy into the format war he has no choice because YOU CAN'T PLAY PS3 GAMES WITHOUT BLURAY because its included in every ps3, so the guy (consumer) that likes a few ps3 games but is fine with his DVD collection and doesn't care about HD movies, has no intention of buying them would essentially be waisting at least some money on the ps3 because he has to PAY for ps3 bluray capability WHETHER HE INTENDS TO BUY MOVIES OR NOT= DEFINITION OF TROJAN HORSE, unlike micro's strategy which gives you a choice= not interested in HD movies, OK dont pay for them= can you see the difference, probably not because sony sheep dont think BEFORE they speak and can't understand reasonable logic AFTER someone informs them, well thats why I say the JOY, kid.
I understand what you were saying, and if Blurays weren't used for gaming, I'd completely agree with you, but it is being used for games. Ok, so not many games are taking advantage of it now, but you can bet in the future that games will require more data and it'll all be held on 1 blu-ray. It's just like PS2. When PS2 launched, in the 1st year, 75% of games could fit on CDs. Today, over 98% of games CAN'T fit on CDs. Its just an added cost for an added luxury in the console. That person who doesn't care about Blurays, and is happy with their existing DVD collection will have the ability to upscale it in full 1080p on PS3, so he's support there. But, he has a Bluray player in there for the greatest games and even in the future, maybe a movie or two.
its actually sensible in some aspects, but just so we are clear the bottom line is bluray included in the ps3 which is by definition a Trojan Horse because even though yes its the media for which games are played its still and added cost for the ability to watch bluray movies, no sane person would say otherwise, bluray is NOT necessary in relationship to gaming, and the market is totally different than when DVD arrived, DVD was ALREADY overwhelmingly the format of choice by the time, sony utilized it "first" in a games console, there was really no competition at that point, all evidence pointed to the public WANTING DVD's, there are other differences as well but the point is, there is NO CHOICE with ps3, which isn't necessarily a "evil" move by sony, companies do this all the time, you buy their product you pay for the tech they favor, its just that in this case at this point it isn't clear whether the format sony chose is what the mass public wants, which means it was a questionable/unnecessary risk on sonys part, but like I said its the nature of business and sometimes you win and sometimes you lose.
I don't care if Microsoft or Sony do it, digital downloads are AWESOME for renting. Yes, if I intend to purchase a movie I'd rather Blu-Ray/HD-DVD (of which I own both). But for renting Netflix isn't fast enough. If I decide "Man, I wish I could watch the new Pirates movie in HD" without adding it to my queue and waiting two days I say that is awesome. I could care less if it were Sony or Microsoft, hell even Apple. Being able to watch a movie on demand for a reasonable fee is a great feature that I hope catches on.
I find it odd that some people think this is the end of the format war etc.. somehow digital distribution is going to be "KING". Well hate to break this too you, but currently YOU and me can get digitally distributed movies to watch on our TVs.
Shocked? You shouldn't be. If you have CABLE / Satellite TV etc.. it shouldn't be a SHOCK to you. Since they have been digitally "renting" out movies for years.
The question is who is going to cough up money for a one time rental, when they can pay a monthly price to watch movies as much / many as they want. So, before anyone waves the victory flag.. let's take a break.
After all, M$ is fashionably late as always.
But will advertise as if it re-invented the wheel.
"The question is who is going to cough up money for a one time rental, when they can pay a monthly price to watch movies as much / many as they want."
#1. personally I like to "buy"/own the movies I like, but "rentals" will always be a very lucrative business, because most people, including myself think most movies are either garbage or just "OK", definitely not something I want to see again, therefore its not worth full price if you're not likely to ever watch it again.
#2. what makes you think that in the future micro or if not micro then definitely other service providers won't have a monthly fee that allows consumers to download/rent as many movies they want per month.
#3. how can micro be "fashionably late" with this service when we are speaking about a service/feature that is a "first" on a videogame console, or is your logic that micro should have somehow allowed you to rent movies digitaly years ago LONG BEFORE cable companies, who's ONLY business is movie/tv content? wtf? talk about looking for ANY reason to hate/downplay a company.
Cable operators with VOD have different sections. Some are pay rentals, some are free if you pay for the correspondent tier. Like they have HD VOD where I live at and they rent for 5$ and you have to watch it within 24 hours. I have rented a few movies from there. (yes I have paid for a rent.). Why becuase those are newly release movies on dvd. They you have the free VOD that you get depending if you are paying for HBO, Showtime, Starz. ETC. Those sections under the Hbo VOD are older movies. Months after they have been release on dvd. But then again you have to pay for HBO tier or showtime tier to get their VOD free streams. Then you have the really free sections which are like the Courtv, tbs, mtv. ETC. But you also get those for free only if you are subscribe to the tier that they are under. Which for every one out there they are already paying for it under thier cheapest contract.
i think what is clear is MS is aiming to cut the longevity of physical as short as possible. and honestly there is no better company to do so than MS. they are software leaders and have VERY deep pockets. I'll admit, them boys aint playin.
direct tv pay per view tv service
I'd rather download a movie in HD that take a risk on a format that may be obsolete in a year or two. The potential for downloadable HD content is enormous...maybe Toshiba and Sony should focus some time on that.
Needs a much larger install base in regards to their Live service. Until then, I personally wouldn't use their service as an arguement in favor of DD.
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