We take a look at the upcoming onslaught of remastered, repackaged games and whether or not they're worth the renovated price tag.
Classic, classic.. especially Beyond good & Evil, MGS, God Hand (my classic), Ico & Shadow of collossus .. these games from past gen's, many of them are a lot of better than new games that we are getting - better graphics, bigger presentation, explosives and dumbed down..
like what Sony has done with their collections, yeah I have no problem forking out money for them. but if it's like what Ubisoft is doing with their PoP and SC collection, I wouldn't call it cash cow but instead cash grab! these collections look mostly untouched in every way possible and shows how lazy the team behind it!
classics come back. i love the idea of hd collection specially how i never played that much games in the ps1 and ps2 era i only recently fell in love with games after playing the original god of war on ps2.
It would be cool if they had two choices. A regular port with nothing new added or you can get it in HD for 5$ more. For me it doesn't matter if it is HD or not, I got Psychonauts on Steam recently and I am loving it sure its not HD but its great I download a custome patch so I can use an Xbox controller, same goes for other game from last gen on Steam like GTA SA and Beyond Good and Evil.6
Console Classics imo. Though, there are some out there that put more effort into the remakes then others, it gives those that missed the games the first time around a chance to catch up, plus the little additions make them an even more worthwhile purchases.
HD collections are not cash-ins. I'm starting to think that people that hate on HD collections have yet to purchase one because of that perception. If you played the Metal Gear HD Collection there would be no way in hell you'd call that a 'cash cow.' Plus, there is consumer demand for HD Collections anyway.
They're cash cows of console classics. In most cases, publishers look at the possible audience willing to purchase these collections and toss in "1080p and 3D" on the same code. I'm not the one to judge whether it's utimately a bad thing, but I find it impossible for anyone to deny that almost every HD revival is essentially milking new/old customers by delivering them with the same experience from a few years ago. The rare exceptions I've found thus far are Halo: CE Anniversary and the Monkey Island special editions (off the top of my head). For the record, I hold the 3D rereleases of Star Wars (my favorite movie series) in the same light as HD collections.
'essentially milking new/old customers' How exactly do you milk a new customer?
Merrian-Webster: "to draw something from as if by milking: as to draw or coerce profit or advantage from illicitly or to an extreme degree" New and Old customers can be exploited in the same fashion since the exploitation comes from a technological feature (BC). The rest of my argument has probably been touched upon in my other posts on this thread.
I find you're logic quite flawed. I have a 60GB BC PS3 for which I paid $600.00 and a 320GB slim for which I paid $250. I paid less for the slim with less features. Was that the un-milking before the milking? HD collections can have updated visuals, sounds, additional modes, motion games (Sly Collection), trophy support, etc. I can play either version of the game. If I decide the upgrades are worth the money TO ME, how again am I being milked? Secondly, how does your BC argument affect 3rd party publishers who have no control over console BC? 'Anecdotal evidence adds nothing to the discussion.' You astutely point this out, yet state this: 'They're not forcing us to purchase DLC either. That doesn't mean you won't see the same people defending HD collections complaining about it.' This has nothing to do with the debate at hand and is even less relevant than anecdotal evidence, which as you pointed out, is at least 'evidence'. This isn't even a good analogy as you're comparing what some see as being sold an intentionally unfinished product as a means to grab more cash (the missing animus chapters in Assassins Creed, anyone?) versus an upgraded re-release of a finished quality product. It is merely a weak shot at those who disagree with your point of view. Bottom line, value is determined individually.
Anyone complaining about HD collections is just totally clueless. There may be at most a few million people that bought the original, and even fewer still have them. But there are 60+ million console owners that didn't buy the original, so why not give them a chance to play it and make a little money while they are at it.
Because we're not all ignorant of the term backwards compatibility. Just take a look at what you're saying and decide whether or not these tactics would've worked last generation. We can argue the possible semantics I envision the conversation going or we can call a spade a spade.
I've got a backwards compatible ps3 and would purchase an hd remake of any of the old ps2 socom games if the graphics were updated. It literally hurts my eyes trying to put myself back into those games. Some old school games did not age well. The nes games however I can plug in my old Nintendo and have a blast with them. It's not like those devs who create the hd remakes are forcing you to buy them. Wii games are pixel for pixel classic games with the same glitch spots as the original. I never touched god of war on ps2 and would have passed on it if not for the remakes.
^ -"would purchase an hd remake of any of the old ps2 socom games if the graphics were updated. It literally hurts my eyes trying to put myself back into those games." There's not much difference in the HD collections. They look cleaner, but that's about it: http://www.youtube.com/watc... (Jak + Daxter HD Collection) -"It's not like those devs who create the hd remakes are forcing you to buy them." They're not forcing us to purchase DLC either. That doesn't mean you won't see the same people defending HD collections complaining about it. -" Wii games are pixel for pixel classic games with the same glitch spots as the original." Did you see where I mentioned same code? I've never seen official statements given by the developer/publisher that say the HD collection are free of "glitch spots" the original had. -"I never touched god of war on ps2 and would have passed on it if not for the remakes." Anecdotal evidence adds nothing to the discussion.
I have an 80gb with backwards compatibility and I've used that to play exactly 1 game. Backwards compatibility only benefits those few million that own the original game, it doesn't help the other 90%+ of console owners that don't. BC is only important at the beginning of a console's life cycle when there aren't many games available. After the first couple of years it becomes irrelevant.
-"I have an 80gb with backwards compatibility and I've used that to play exactly 1 game." Like I said with the other poster, anecdotal evidence adds nothing to the discussion. -"Backwards compatibility only benefits those few million that own the original game, it doesn't help the other 90%+ of console owners that don't." The original games are still available throughout various websites like amazon or ebay. Since there will always be sellers of these titles, 100% of the console owners benefit from backwards compatability. -"BC is only important at the beginning of a console's life cycle when there aren't many games available. After the first couple of years it becomes irrelevant." I'm beginning to wonder if I should've even bothered dawning some form of logic in this discussion. *facedesk*
How many copies of these old games do you really think are out there available for people to buy? Maybe a few hundred thousand at most for the popular titles. That still leaves millions that can't play the game. Sure some old PS2 games are still available new, but if you look at the typical pricing it's about the same as getting the HD remakes. Right now on amazon it's cheaper to get the God of War collection than to buy GOW 1 and 2 separately. You are too focused on the needs of a small minority rather than what is best for everyone else.
-"How many copies of these old games do you really think are out there available for people to buy? Maybe a few hundred thousand at most for the popular titles. That still leaves millions that can't play the game." Who are these "millions" you speak of? Since we have no concrete numbers, it's pure speculation to say millions of those who have bought the HD collections have never dived into the series before. -"Sure some old PS2 games are still available new, but if you look at the typical pricing it's about the same as getting the HD remakes. Right now on amazon it's cheaper to get the God of War collection than to buy GOW 1 and 2 separately." That collection has been out for 2 years. Who could possibly think the $50 would stay stagnant for so long? I'm not here to argue about the 'reduced price' of an HD collection. I'm arguing that most publishers inflate the price of their "HD revivals" by putting in as little work as possible for almost the price of a NEW THIS-GEN GAME. How is it fair Sony, Konami, etc. to determine $50 is a fair price when Lucasarts can deliver two Monkey Island special editions, which added many more features, for $10 each? Answer: It's not. The firms these companies are involved with believed the best profit to be made at that price point and fans went along with it because they had no other choice. -"You are too focused on the needs of a small minority rather than what is best for everyone else." Kind of ironic since I find HD collections (at this price) are only "helping the needs" of the 1%. Look, I'm not trying to pass judgment on what people do with their money. Heck, I even bought the ICO + SotC Collection. What I'm here to discuss is how often the only changes we see in HD Collections today are "3D and 1080p" which enhances the game's visual appeal, but brings nothing relatively new; whereas in the past, we would see MGS: Twin Snakes. We can debate how much we like the changes compared to MGS on Playstation, but...at least there's changes in the formula! As of right now, most publishers are shoveling the same game from last gen and doing the bare minimum of requirements to make old fans happy.
I agree with re-making them in HD, and I am more then willing to pay to play classic games. What urks me though is when you see scores of 90% on Metacritic for these games. Sure they were great, but to be re-released and often get just as high scores as the originals years later is ridulous. Especially when those scores often beat much better quality and deeper games today.
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