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Think Nintendo is behind the times with online.....think again !

This article goes in depth about how Nintendo has been trying to impliment online in all its home consoles dating back to the original Famicom (NES). Nintendo actually tried its best years ago to start its own online network but hit many barricades along the way. So today's gamers see Nintendo as being behind the times when it comes to online, but in reality they were way ahead of everyone! (3DS, Culture, Dev, GameCube, Industry, Next-Gen, Nintendo, Nintendo DS, Retro, Tech, Wii, Wii U)

LX-General-Kaos  +   954d ago
Nintendo is always ahead.. even when they dont look to be or given credit for.
PSVITAlitysensor  +   953d ago
Hiroshi Yamauchi, Gunpei Yokoi, Shigeru Miyamoto, Koji Kondo, Satoshi Tajiri...

Great minds work (have worked) at Nintendo.
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BrutallyBlunt  +   953d ago
What a waste of writing. They can elaborate the entire history of Nintendo if they want to but it's meaningless if it was never put into action. Yes Nintendo is telling everyone they are going to be more serious when it comes to online but i will believe it when i see it.

Nintendo cares about Nintendo and will continue to support their products as THEY see fit, NOT what the actual consumers want. Nintendo will also not invest like Microsoft, Valve and even Sony have.
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PopRocks359  +   953d ago
@LevelHead

Motion control is a norm now because of Nintendo. Nintendo always gives us what we think is cool, even if we don't really know we want it.
egidem  +   953d ago
@PopCocks359

I wouldn't call it a norm, more like a short term trend. The casual market usually goes with what's popular today, and that causes a shift in the trend. They've discovered that their iPads can play simple games costing a mere fraction of what Nintendo's Wii was offering - the end result is they can take the fun with them wherever they go, and get more anytime, anywhere.

@LevelHead

I agree. People buy Nintendo products to pretty much play Nintendo games. In my opinion, Nintendo relies a bit too much on their 1st party games. I'm not saying that it's a bad thing, but it means that there could be a limited variety of content, which would explain why 3rd party support tends to be lacking. Simply put, Nintendo games sell best on Nintendo products.
ChickeyCantor  +   953d ago
"I agree. People buy Nintendo products to pretty much play Nintendo games"

That is only valid because of quirks Nintendo had.

Back with the NES/SNES the library was flooded with tons of games and everyone loved it.
With n64 there was only a handful of great games. Developers flooded to the PSx
GameCube fell in the mindset of being "kiddy".
Wii was "underpowered" and couldn't support most multiplat games.

It's not that people don't want to buy other games on a Nintendo console other than Nintendo games. It's the fact that people always have something to complain about.

The biggest problem is Third party support.

For the sake of the argument, if Nintendo did have the exact same features as the PS3 and 360. Why would I not buy other games beside the Nintendo franchises?

The need for a different console beside the wii was simply because some games weren't offered on it. In a different case I wouldn't see why I would buy a 360 or PS3...other than for the exclusives.

So with that in mind...I only got a PS3/360 for the exclusives. How is that different than one getting a Nintendo for the exclusives?
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sikbeta  +   952d ago
@PopRocks359

Motion-controls are not "a norm" if that was the case, Wii-U would come with an upgraded wii-mote or something like that instead of releasing with a new tablet-controller

O-T

Whatever, need to see it first...
dark-hollow  +   953d ago
Nintendo was always high tech with their technology I don't know why they get that rep for being cost effective and low tech for their condoles.
Besides the wii, all their consoles were very powerful.

Nes, snes, n64 and gamecube were all pretty powerful.
I know people will point their fingers at the Ds, 3ds but those are handhelds and Nintendo thinks that handhelds are their own experience and doesn't need to compete with consoles in term of graphics.

But they sure need to upgrade their online network tho.
yabhero  +   953d ago
The 3DS isn;t as powerful as the vita but its till a pretty big jump from the DS and PSP... just look at Resi on the 3DS.
dedicatedtogamers  +   952d ago
No, this is untrue.

The NES was 8-bit architecture coming out during a time when 16 bit and above was the norm. Nintendo's execs (not sure if it was Gunpei Yokoi or maybe Miyamoto) SPECIFICALLY said that they wanted to use off-the-shelf, older hardware in the NES so that it could be inexpensive to buy.

The SNES was one of the LAST 16 bit systems to come out, and while the technology was great, it was already overshadowed by PCs and some consoles. Heck, the SEGA CD (let's set aside the failure of the hardware itself) came out only 1 year after the SNES launched.

N64 was definitely more powerful in many respects, specifically 3D. But it couldn't render 2D as well (partially why Saturn and NeoGeo had all the arcade games) and it had one major flaw: cartridges! The memory for those things was tiny compared to what was available on the CDs for the Saturn and Playstation.

Gamecube? Uhhhh, no. The dang thing couldn't even run a CD. Yes, the graphics were more advanced than the PS2, but it was hardly a "high tech" system.

Arguably, the ONLY "high tech" console Nintendo is doing is the WiiU. Nintendo has pretty much NEVER been on top of the dog pile when it comes to graphics/physics/technology.
hkgamer  +   952d ago
Depends what you mean by high tech with their technology. Nintendo systems have been releasing their consoles later in the generation than anyone else to keep the costs lower. Nintendo has hardly ever released their console first, with the Wii and Wii U, I guess it shows Nintendo are trying a different route now and no one knows if they will be successful or not.

Nintendo is still behind with online. I don't care what innovative ideas they tried in the past. It just didn't work because technology and peoples lifestyles just wasn't there in the past.

I wouldn't be calling it great if it didn't work out at that time. It's like me saying I would release a machine as powerful as what they have for flight simulators and it will cost a lot. Would that make me innovative or just stupid in the business world?
BlmThug  +   953d ago
Yaay, Nintendo gave us motion controls /s

Yaay, rats gave us diseases /s
TacoTaru  +   952d ago
Yaay, and they were copied by...? Sony!!!
Jihaad_cpt  +   952d ago
LX they were not always ahead with their online experience
LX-General-Kaos  +   952d ago
Yea thats where we shift credit over to microsoft. Those are the people that paved the way for online console gaming in its finest form.
Biggest  +   952d ago
Paved the way would imply they started something. Dreamcast paved the way. Microsoft laid the asphalt.
d0nni3  +   952d ago
Nintendo are generally ahead with somethings yea but their problem is they never seem pull anything off to it's full potential. They innovate but never perfect their ideas.
eferreira  +   952d ago
look at the wii and 3ds online structure. They aren't ahead. I hope the wii-u does better.
Shok  +   954d ago
The SNES had online. Not that many people know that. Nintendo had a network going and everything.
mike1up  +   953d ago
Let me guess, only available in Japan?
Jirachi  +   953d ago
Good point so did 64 if i recall correctly. Both ideas flopped and that's why nintendo was reluctant to try online with gcn.
online gaming really wasn't popular until after gcn came out and at that point it was too late to add it.
banjadude  +   953d ago
Did not know that! Hmm, that's pretty neat.
Do you know any games that had online support for it?
Jirachi  +   953d ago
Yeah there was a few zelda games that had used this(japan only) if you want to know more look up "broadcast satellaview" or "bs zelda"
maniacmayhem  +   953d ago
Sega had it to, in fact they went one step further and had Sega TV that had OnLive features. It failed too, the world wasn't ready for that back then.
AWBrawler  +   953d ago
NintEGA (Nintendo and SEGA) paved the way for modern gaming but so many supposed hardcore gamers hate them both now. Oh the hypocrisy.
Biggest  +   952d ago
How is that hypocrisy? They were the cream of the crop in the 90's. They are no longer the cream of the crop. That is just how it is. This article is supposed to be about online services. There is nothing but bad to talk about in the case of Nintendo (and SEGA) and their online services.
Megaman_nerd  +   952d ago
that's the point of the article. They say that Nintendo is not behind the time because the Snes supported online.

Has anybody even taken the time to read the article? XD
sonic989  +   952d ago
At aw brawler well I love sega and Sony very much but I hate Nintendo ( for my reasons ) I don't hate Microsoft cause I respect them as a company
Not that I hate miyamoto or something I just hate there visions and hardware and the fat plumber that's all
And I own a PS3 and a vita ( Japan imported ) so have your say
Mini Mario  +   951d ago
"I love sega and Sony very much but I hate Nintendo"

Hate is such a harsh word.

Why hate a company that has done so much for gaming. If you wanna "hate" something, hate the way sega has treated their hedgehog the last decade

At least nintendo keeps mario fresh without completely changing it too mch
Mini Mario  +   951d ago
double post - woops
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GribbleGrunger  +   953d ago
LOL...
Titanz  +   953d ago
Whatever man
In your eyes: Nintendo will always be behind the times.

Your mind is already set on disliking the company as a whole (Nintendo), so it's best for everyone (including yourself) that you refrain from posting on Nintendo related articles.
LX-General-Kaos  +   953d ago
just ignore the haters and prepare yourself for the wii u as im doing.
Lord_Sloth  +   953d ago
Implementing a fully functional online into your console 6 years after everybody else has doesn't count as being ahead of the curb.
suicidalblues  +   953d ago
@ sloth

I think you were going for "ahead of the curve".
user3903999  +   953d ago
They had it all this time??
Than why do they suck at it?
Dannycr  +   953d ago
The fact that Nintendo has had any sort of Online feature on previous consoles doesn't mean nothing, specially when the online for the 1 console that actually required a good online (Wii) didn't have a robust or even decent online (except for a handful of games like Mario Kart Wii).

Nintendo did fall behind in the online department in this generation, that was obvious, specially comparing it to what XBLA and PSN offers. Hopefully they will revamp the online on the Wii U.

As of today, I have never been able to play a single Super Smash Bros. Brawl online fight, and that was one of the reasons I bought the wii and the game.
PopRocks359  +   953d ago
Smash Bros.' online 'sorta' works. It's extremely laggy.

If you want decent online Wii games, try Mario Kart Wii, Mario Strikers Charged and Monster Hunter 3.
Dannycr  +   952d ago
It doesn't work for me... at all, and yeah, as I said, Mario Kart Wii IS perfect in the online department, but playing another game doesn't compensate the inability to play the game that I wanted to play the most.

That's not a solution, not even a workaround, it's just ignoring the problem. I also have a 3DS and so far, I have notice a BIG improvement over the Wii. It now resembles something closer to what XBLA and PSN offer and that is good, but I hope that it keeps growing and that the Wii U will have something on-par with those 2 services.
PopRocks359  +   950d ago
Agreed. Though I would blame Sakurai as oppose to Nintendo. Brawl was primarily his vision, just as Metroid Other M was Sakamoto's.

If Nintendo Network is any indication, the Wii U will be better. Whether it matches/passes its competition remains to be seen, but we know for sure that it will be better than what Nintendo has on the Wii.

And goddamn it, give me my New Super Mario Bros. and Kirby co-op game with online play.
NYC_Gamer  +   953d ago
they are late/behind because only now they want to take online/HD gaming serious after it's been around for years.it's sad that Nintendo a company that has been around in the gaming market way before Sony/MS could just allow themselves to be beat to the punch hardware/social gaming wise.really wish Nintendo would create some brand new fresh characters/ip's and not just spin-offs with the ones that existed since the 80's.
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Ddouble  +   953d ago
"That is very likely the number one criticism Nintendo has received this generation. It is also the number one criticism that is absolutely wrong.

What many fail to realize is that Nintendo has in fact given online gaming a chance during just about every console generation since the original Nintendo Entertainment System."

So they're not behind because they've given it a CHANCE every console generation? It doesn't matter if they gave it a chance or thought about it, they are behind because their online is far behind Live or PSN.

Obviously they're trying to change that. Final Fantasy Theathryhm will be the first game on the Nintendo network with DLC IIRC and of course a lot of the third party games are coming on the Wii-U so they are moving forwards but they are still behind.
honkyjesus  +   953d ago
Yeah, I love those Duck Hunt deathmatches?
vikingland1  +   952d ago
Duck Hunt deathmatches....that is funny so have a bub.
lizard81288  +   953d ago
Pretty neat. I didn't know any of this, but it looks like it was Japan only. They should have really stepped it up with the Wii, DSi, and 3DS, but they haven't.

They are behind. Even (as I listed) The 3DS is behind, and I would assume Vita will have a stronger online component, until we can see what Nintendo Network does. The 3DS has a pseudo messaging system (swapnote) and the E-shop is a complete mess. Nintendo's push, is rather weak. Instead of getting games for the E-shop, this week we got A GAME, just 1. Out of all of Nintendo's game history, we just got 1 game. Club Nintendo's games aren't any better. Plus you can't just jump in a join an online game either with your friends. What the 3DS has, doesn't work with all games.

With all of the innovating Nintendo does, I'd rather them look into what the others are doing for online and copy them, like PSN, LIVE and Steam. I'm sure they would make it their own, but for now, Nintendo's online is just poor for this time and age.
rexbolt  +   953d ago
have u even played the 3ds that system is onlien 34 seven with videos bein downloaded its own via spot pas so yea
browngamer41  +   953d ago
Yeah I'm online twenty four seven between the e-shop ,swapnote,Mk7 and revelations..downloaded some demos and watch hella videos..sh-t it can even be fun to im your friends through your friends list-I've gotten alot of stuff done that way..even the browser is fun for stuff like 3ds paint and porch downloading instant 3d pics to those sites and uploading gets addictive.
lizard81288  +   952d ago
Yeah, I have a 3ds. I had it since launch. I just wish the online was better/stronger. Nintendo is going in the right direction, but they aren't quite there yet.

-You can only watch Videos with Nintendo Video, but they only give you 4 videos to watch and most of them suck. I'd rather have a Youtube app or have Flash for the browser.

-Spotpass is pretty cool.Street Pass has improved since it was on the DS, and yes, the DS did have street pass.

Swapnote is an ok substitute, but I would like the option to IM friends and stuff, like steam does. Swapnote is more or less and e-mail system.

The E-shop is pretty bad the way it is set up. It makes it really hard to find things. Plus everything is rather expensive.

The browser is ok, but it is a mobile browser. This site doesn't work on the 3DS' browser. <:(
GIFs don't load most of the time either, plus there is no flash support either, so you can't watch videos.
honkyjesus  +   953d ago
Nintendo may have a functional online service by the end of the year? Whoa! Space age.
mechlord  +   953d ago
Right....ok, lets all bow down to the almighty Ninty Network...

while we are at it, lets also bow down to that sony online music store which came out ages before itunes....

See the relation here? being the first or doing one thing for the longest time doesnt mean youre better at it
In fact, if you have a tech for so long and a newer comes out and its better than yours, means you suck at it.
2pacalypsenow  +   952d ago
well they are still behind Xbox Live and PlayStation Network so no.
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Neko_Mega  +   952d ago
Yet the Wii has the worst online -_-

Main reason not one makes alot of online games for Wii, Nintendo is going to most likely try to stick with family base games.

Unlike Sony that offers games for everyone, Nintendo stays family (Not a bad thing) but they won't see alot of people as Sony does.
Malice-Flare  +   952d ago
that logo...
couldn't they have gone and made it Nintendo Red? it looks similar to the RSS feed icon...
tigertron  +   952d ago
Nintendo need to ditch the friendcodes. NOW.

Give everyone their own gamertags/user names. Online gaming is becoming very popular and it makes up social gaming. Nintendo need to understand that and create a better online infrastrucure. It doesn't matter if they came up with online gaming for the SNES, what matters is how well the system works. Until Nintendo get rid of the friendcodes, the PSN/SEN and XBL will be superior.
Staude  +   952d ago
They can still be behind even if they were ahead. Consider the move controller. Despite having the tech in R&D for years prior to, even the ps3 release, Sony is still behind because Nintendo implemented something similar at a consumer level first.
phantomexe  +   952d ago
Its a good read and pretty much true but when the Wii U comes out there are certain things today that is a standard. I'm not sold on the wii u until i see the online interface XMB, trophy support , and a real voice chat system. Most of us still have a warm spot for nintendo but we all grow up and nintendo didn't. They have alot to prove in my book. I want action adventure games like Uncharted not another mario game.I'm not saying there something wrong with mario but if nintendo would just break from there normal to come up with something new and we know they can it's just geting them to do it. New IPs for an older audience would be nice.
peeps  +   952d ago
I'll just say this... whatever Nintendo planned to do or even did is irrelevant when today the online systems are much much better on Sony and Microsoft platforms than anything Nintendo is doing.
jacen100  +   952d ago
we know nothin about the nintendo network so how can u say that, developers are getting a free run at the nintendo network they do not get that with either live or psn, i guess you must not have got that news or did u just come in here to diss nintendo about something you know nothing about?
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peeps  +   952d ago
please enlighten me on this news...
sonic989  +   952d ago
I think they don't have too just make a trend for casual market and boom you got a system seller the wii succeeded not because of Nintendo franchises or whatever ( game cube says hi ) but because the console was cheap and consumers didn't notice its hardware weakness due to the motion controls so why lose money I think they will stick to this theory it's ( apples theory ) didn't you noticed the wii looked like apple devices a lot XD
upallnightgamer  +   952d ago
"Today's gamers see Nintendo as being behind the times when it comes to online, but in reality they were way ahead of everyone!" WERE being the operative word here. They're in their twilight years now. (No vampire jokes, please.)
ConstipatedGorilla  +   952d ago
No, they are behind the times when it comes to online. Just because they had the idea doesn't mean they're ahead of everyone. They need to get their act together.
IM_KINECTED  +   952d ago
I like Nintendo and I hope they can offer a competitive online service, I think they are suffering a bit from the Gamecube. I can still remember Nintendo saying "People don't want to play online" and then they made those pushes for people to hook up Gameboys to their Gamecubes and things like that.

Then later on they came out and said they couldn't afford to do a online network like Microsoft. I personally wouldn't mind if they offered a service a bit like XBL, even if you have to pay a fee for it. Anything would be better then what they've had the last couple generations.
Tzunoy  +   952d ago
Nintendo was at his finest in the Super Nintendo times.
CaptainN  +   952d ago
I think Nintendo proved after selling 95+ million Wii's that online was not the major factor in selling games. It is a major factor for FPS games or competitive games....but games as a whole no. Casuals dont care if it goes online, real gamers may like it to go online, but will accept a good game regardless if it has the feature. Its the gamers who are "Core" that complain the most as well as opposing fanboys from the Sony or Microsoft camps. Nintendo is aiming the Wii-U at them. The Nintendo Network is a reality and it will incorporate todays standards in online. The 3DS is the testing ground and the Wii-U will be the network in full force. Yes Nintendo may not have always gone forward with their plans(READ THE ARTICLE BEFORE COMMENTING)but they had many reasons why they didnt. Now we get to see what all these years of testing really has amounted to when it comes to their online system!
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