Here is a new way to spot a Falcon in the store and why you should absolutely look for it.
Wow, this is really helpfull, repectz to the guy who found this article, you are gonna save alot of people from suffering the RROD disease.
I found this on the gamespot forums, not sure if its true or not.
Talks about the new Xbox 360's coming in 2008.
Its also pretty obvious to recommend people not to buy it Online also if you don't find a new model request a different 360 to be brought back from storage since for OBVIOUS reason many store are trying to get rid of the "old" ones (pretty much like Amazon did with the "mysterious" price drop)
Unfortunately, most of the best deals for a 360 are online which sucks actually.
This is really old news, I had no idea so many people didn't know it already. The falcons were released in September, that is when the 175watts were traced back to. If you go to any respectable store now you will most likely get a falcon since so many 360s have sold in recent months, the old units are cleared out. BestBuy ran out of 360s in my town twice already since black friday, so the ones they have now are all new models.
My question would be does this apply to the Elite as well.
Yes, it applies across the board to all models. If it has 175W listed, it's a Falcon.
It was the "Value bundle" (2 game pack in) it is a Falcon. Free shipping and no tax also .
at least with the originals you still have coverage the new ones still die just dont show the same rrod so their not has easy to get replaced...
The new error codes you're referring to aren't based on new hardware. Recent dashboard updates have changed the error handling in the Xbox 360 kernel, so it would be displayed the new way on all consoles, new or old.
damn good thing I havnt had mine online yet lol
so just to confirm the wording on the 3 year guaranty is specific to the three red rings. So wouldn't this last update mess with 360 owners being able to get their machines replaced?
You walk into ANY store, and buy ANY model. They will last 10 years running in the desert. Quality assurance....Microsoft should try it sometime outside of India.
The PS3 is definitely a well built machine.
If there is one good thing to come out of this situation, it's that MS has learned how to make sure that future versions of the 360 and any future consoles don't have this problem.
I didn't see PS3 talked about anywhere in the article. Go watch a blu-ray moive, since its taken alomst a year to come out with a decent game for you blu-ray player. TROLL
PS3 is a quality piece of hardware.
XBOX is a quality piece of sh*t
...just keep waiting. Troll somewhere else dumb ass.
GiTROLL ...That fits you better...
Ignoring the fanboys commenting...
I just want to agree with you, let's hope.
Will this help with the RROD? I sure hope so.
The new Falcon chipset has new aluminum heatsinks and two inductors. The CPU is 65nm instead of the larger 90nm in the previous models. All of this makes the system run cooler and use less power (175W instead of 205W). So yes, this will help with the RRoD. Better hardware = more stability.
But MS has never explained the root cause of RROD. How does anyone know that running cooler or adding heatsinks will prevent it, when "it" has only been guessed, even to this day?
it helps but does not fix the problem as most of the people that have looked for the info or actually opened a RROD 360 themselves knows the classic RROD is caused by the GPU becoming loose from the motherboard after too much heat, while the new heatsinks and reduced CPU reduces the heat emanations that might make the GPU become loose sadly the GPU is still badly placed under the DVD-ROM not leaving a lot of room for ventilation and is still 90nm
the best thing I would recommend is doing something similar to what I did by actually feeding cool air into the 360 thru the left side "vent" using a good 12mm fan (I used a professional amplifier fan) its VERY interesting to see how much more warm/hot air comes out of the 360 with it which leads me to believe the 360s fans aren't as strong as they are suppose to be to release the hot air the builds inside causing all the problems
another interesting fact is that fixing a RROD 360 its pretty easy task it only require you knowing how to open a 360 removing the necessary parts and use a heat gun to put the GPU back in its place also putting extra supports in the X clamp helps
It's a damn shame when you have to look for the type of chipset your console has to ensure the damn thing works. I'll pass.
Should Microsoft just have not bothered to come up with a new HW configuration and leave consumers in the dark, then?
You've gotta do what you've gotta do.
Got rid of my 360 because of RROD...All my friends were like, it's Sonyfans were making it up and then 1 by 1 they started geting RROD like 8 freinds(true story). Good thing for the warranty because once they got it back from M$ they sold theirs and got PS3's.
Here's a solution:
Release a working console to begin with. MS left consumers in the dark regarding RROD until they HAD to acknowledge it. Patting them on the back for admitting to something that was a "moving target" or "only a vocal minority experienced" is insane and only sends the wrong message.
and as of right now, there isn't much we can do about the past. Saying a solution to a CURRENT problem is rooted in the PAST makes no sense.
I fully agree that they should have either delayed the launch or simply had better QA from the get go. The fact of the matter is that this is not the case, and standing by and doing nothing would benefit nobody.
While I wouldn't say they deserve a pat on the back, as the problems are inexcusable for as widespread as they are, it is at least GOOD NEWS for those of us looking to purchase one.
Then again, these new consoles really SHOULD have been announced in some way, shape, or form. It seems like MS is trying to cover their tracks more than anything, but I think such widespread issues deserve a statement or official announcement. There goes that hindsight again though.
In any case, at least something is being done to alleviate the problem, that's all I'm trying to say. Better late than never.
These suckers are still prone to failure. I wish MS would get off their @sses and really fix the issue because I'd love to have a nice new 360 sitting next to my PS3. I'm just not about to drop several hundred dollars on a defective console, good games or no.
The only console I ever had fail on me was an old Sega Master System. It stopped powering up after like 10 years. Failure rate on 360's is completely unacceptable.
Ya never seen a console has bad. The old nintendos used to get messed up if they got dusty enough especially... Remember blowing on them damn cartridges to get them to play lol My sega genesis still works sold my com64 (regret it now ya) but i bet it still works fine. Lost a ps2 but my own fault for going the mod route still lasted about 5 years...
We got another ps2 and only play bought games now and no worries...
My ps3 is on 24/7 some weeks and no problems but we never leave the 360 on even if we're playing we keep it down to a few hours at a time.
We love to game and the line up on the 360 is good so we couldnt pass it up for 150 with a few games hd and all... Still wary about putting out big cash for new games especially given how buggy they tend to be. Halo3 fries the boxes like snot ME is so buggy its a pain to play. Seems to me like they are trying to push the hardware too hard. Hopefully they go back to making games that work. Until then we're sticking to the bargain bin games for our 360.
Actually, that's a good point about the original NES. Those were kind of unreliable too...forgot about that. Still, it was nowhere near the 360 failure rate and you could usually get 'em going again by blowing on the cartridges...I'll never understand why.
Blowing in NES cartridges actually made them worse. When you blew into them any spit that happened to get on the connectors caused them to oxidize messing the game up even worse.
That is why you used rubbing alcohol and q-tips to clean the cartridge. Even though the back of the cartridge said not to...but it worked like a freakin charm. 20 years later...all the games work and the NES is still alive and kicking.
Runs WAYYYYYYYYY cooler and quiet then my older 360. As a matter of fact it is more quiet then my PS3 they sit next to each other.
Where's the Elite? The only console quieter than the PS3 is the Wii. Slot loading FTW. But please, keep lying to yourself.
I agree with Action Bastard. The PS3 is quieter. The Wii is the quietest but it isn't a HD system like the 360 and PS3.
posted by multiple people. Not saying Lawnman's necessarily lying. But either they're faking their console status or some other people are stealing from them.
I say he is lying.
My PS3 sits next to my 360 and the 360, even though it has the 175W Falcon Chip, is way, way louder than my PS3. I don't care about the noise really, as long as it continues to work but it is way, way louder than the PS3.
I need to put my ear about 4 inches away from my PS3 to hear any noise coming out of that system. It seems to run pretty cool too. The only place that heats up at all is right over the exhaust vents and a tiny bit on the bottom (flat side if you have it vertical). I keep it on pretty much all the time like my PC and it's roughly the same temperature whether it's idle or playing Warhawk.
Thats a lie. The PS3 fan is extremely quite, its impossible to hear it while gaming and it only spin up after hours of use for a quick cooling brust then it'll quite a down again.
Not by much, but a little noticeable.
I realised that dust had built up over the air in take.
I gave it a wipe and it was all fixed, fan was smooth running again.
My PS3 run 24/7 in my room where I sleep and unless you were listening for it, you wouldn't hear it.
Ok thats why when i play Uncharted all i hear is Spin up,spin down spin up spin down spin up spin down and so on....Dont make it out like the ps3 is a whisper fan...It is just as loud as my 360...
All I had to do to the 360 was change the dvd drive speed to 6x instead of 12x ;)
Pretty silent now...
What a nice big fat lie. There is NO WAY its more quiet. It has nothing to do with 65 nm chip or the cooler, its the dvd-drive. Like it or not, it sounds like a jetplane. Love my 360, but I sure wish it would be more quiet.
*Shhh, nobody tell him there is NO FUKN ELITE ON THAT PICTURE!!!!!*
@Funnybone: How do you do that? Please tell me, I have my 360 in my bedroom and I am a bit of a vampyre and like to stay up late and play but my girlfriend says she can't sleep with the crap on.
Funnybone: Don't be daft. The PS3 is whisper quiet. If you actually owned one, you'd know that.
Has anybody ordered a 360 from Sam's Club lately? I'm going to get my new one from there (lifetime warranty FTW) but i want to make sure it's a falcon. I'm considering the bundle listed below but i'm afraid it's the old chipset. If anyone's ordered that bundle how about letting me know which model they're sending out.
Where are you getting this lifetime warranty from?
It's a Falcon
will it 3rod if got falcon? pls i got tired of send to repair
My Xbox 360 has been sitting on the mexican border for the last 9 days and there is still no status on my repair. This is the 4th time my Xbox has been sent to be repaired. My kids will have no video game system this Xmas and microsoft could care less. Why it's taking so long this time compared to the 1st three times is beyond me. I can only assume they are rigging my system to change the error codes so 3 red rings won't be displayed anymore and they can get me off thier warrenty. I feel sorry for any parent who buys 1 of these for thier kids this Xmas. As soon as mine gets back I will be trading it in for a $200 loss towards a ps3. This is beyond ridiculous and microsoft should be ashamed of themselves.
The thing that bothers me about getting your 360 replaced is that all they do is give you another system that will fail again and not the new Falcon. I had mine replaced and I received an even older louder refurbished one.
Giving you a new system would probably be a big help. I sent mine in twice and in both cases I got the same piece of crap back. The damn thing is a ticking time bomb and it amazes me why MS have yet to finally put an end to the RROD issue.
This reliability issue is totally unacceptable. Fix it!!
I mean ONCE is enough. I keep seeing these stories of people sending in their xbox360 2 or 3 times in to get repaired. Thats crazy....just throw that thing away , sell it on ebay. PS3 has games now , so there is no need to wait any longer....buy a PS3 and be happy that you never have to worry ! =)
"Much less change of failing" I hope so. We will see over time but it uses less wattage meaning less heat, and a better heat sink.
For people wondering about 360 Elites.....I bought an Elite about November 11th to replace my old Premium, and it was manufactured on 10/6/07 and it has the 175W etc.....so I think you're good to go now.
But not as small as it should be. They still haven't fixed the basic ventilation in the system, so that's probably one major culprit. Microsoft stated that it's multiple causes, and based off of reports the new Falcon motherboards have a lower defect rate.
Sort of wish they had a lifetime warranty on the 360's RROD, or better yet a lifetime warranty on the system as a whole (still doesn't cover disc scratching).
OMG WiiJay you need to go twist about anything you little rat.
The airflow is allright, the problem just was that the chip produced much heat and the GPU heatsink wasn't large enough to get that heat in the air, to be taken away with the airflow that's there.
What they did is two things:
1. The new 65nm chips, thus less heat to start with
2. An extra heatsink on the GPU heatsink attached with a heatpipe, so more heat is spread in the air
Thus: problems resolved. Stop crying. Fangirl
EDIT: oh forgot this one. You mentioning the disc scratching again. THat's only with Toshiba/Samsung drives without the rubber bumpers around the laser. Those aren't used since the beginning of 2007 mostly anymore (first Hitachi's replaced, after that BenQ). It covers in the two years warranty in Europe at least. MS switches those T/S for BenQ drives. Problem also solved.
where the new falcon chip has failed, because I have yet to here of any failing. Sound like Sony fanboys reaching becasue MS fix the issue and Sony fanboys don't have much more to bicth about.
If we have an Xbox that has the old drive in it and is scratch games disks but otherwise still works, can we send it in to Microsoft for a new one.
Rich13er, the burden of proof is on Microsoft.
I have seen proof of RROD'd Elites and Falcons, though very few. It's really the first 10~11 million consoles that suffer from a huge defect rate. The new 65-nm consoles have a lower defect rate (obviously) but it does still exist.
I really do trust Microsoft on this when they say heat dissippation from the CPU and GPU is only one cause of RROD, though a major cause.
Cool! Literally! lol
Just looked and mine has 175W.
I just checked the powersupply of my 360 and it reads "175watts max" so i must have the smaller chips, but its still to noice for me. The exaust is cooler then my computer and after playing for more then 4 hours i notice the fans r a lot louder but only for a short time, then it revs back down.
Based on sales figures, I think it's safe to say if you buy a new 360, it will most likely have the falcon in it. The 360 has sold alot of systems during this holiday season, so I think it's a safe bet!
Unless you shop somewhere that doesn't sell their electronics at a fast pace like K-mart or something, It is safe to say if you buy a 360 from bestbuy or target or stores like that... You should be cool!
Jees this is old news already...
Was known on several places for a month if not more already...
The RROD issue has been fixed for most of the year, you only need a Zephyr 360.
I've had 2 Elite's die from RRoD and one from Disc Read Errors, so the Zephyr isn't helping enough
Question. I'm thinking about using my best buy warranty and swapping my 360 for a new one, but I don't know how the whole hard drive + gamertag thing works when used on another console. Is there any complications or is it simple as connecting my old hard drive to the new console? Also, is there anything that's stored on the console or does everything go directly to the hard drive?
You`re gonna need a memory card if you wanna keep your game saves! You can also just move your profile to the memory card also for easy transfering. If not, you`ll have to do a profile recovery and it will download your profile to the new 360 and all of the arcade games you paid for and your gamerscore will download as well. Been trading in my 360 elite at Target 3 times already trying to get the Falcon! Now that the old stock is sold, I`ll finally be able to get one! My receipt expires on 2/5/08! I`v been exchanging it every 3 months LOL!
I went through the same thing as you. I bought my unit through Circuit City on launch day, and had to mail it back to them to receive a giftcard for my original purchase amount.
I was worried about losing all of my saved data, so I went out and bought a small 64mb memory card. I transferred my profile, saved game data (DOA4 and Perfect Dark won't transfer), extra Oblivion content and Geometry Wars onto the memory card. When I got my new 360 I popped the memory card in and everything transferred fine except for my profile, which was somehow corrupt. I crossed my fingers and simply used the retrieve gamercard command (which I was told doesn't always work well), and it worked perfectly fine. I got everything back, and just needed to redownload the arcade games I already bought.
Hope that helps alleviate any fears you might have, and to be honest, I'm not so sure I ever even needed that memory card.
I'm kinda confused. I'm keeping the hard drive. I'm just going to put it in the new console I swapped my old one for. Shouldn't my game saves, profile, and downloaded stuff remain on the hard drive?