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Sony: We Should Probably Develop Less Games

Despite being one of the best publishers in the industry, and managing to bring out critical hit after critical hit, Sony has failed to produce huge chart-topping games like Gears of War and Halo. Outside of Gran Turismo, Sony’s IPs have yet to hit the big time, partially due to poor marketing – something that Sony’s Worldwide Studios President has taken notice of. - PSLS

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doctorstrange2018d ago

Oh hell no, don't you dare Sony

dbjj120882018d ago

Microsoft has proven they don't need to develop games, just gimmicky inaccurate motion cameras.

gamingdroid2018d ago

That is entirely incorrect. Lots of core games are released by third party developers and MS delivers a few *major* hits every year.

Without Kinect, MS like Sony might have to scale down their support. Having additional market is unlikely to hurt, but only help.

Sony needs to expand their market, because PS3 among core gamers are saturated.

SuperLupe2018d ago (Edited 2018d ago )

I think Sony is right on this one. The only PS3 exclusive that I cared about this year was UC3 like a lot of people since its by far the best selling PS3 exclusive in 2011. Cant care less for the likes of KZ3 or Motorstorm Apocalype for instance and so do the majority of PS3 games hence the low hype and ok/poor sales.

Praise Sony all you want guys but lets be honest here. Nobody cared abot 80% of the PS3 exclusives that came out this year from the day they got announced. A lot of people just hyped them up for braghing rights. And the "ok" sales and unexistant hype at launch prove it.

LBP 2, KZ3, Socom 4, Resistance 3, Motorstorm Apocalypse, White Knight Chronicles 2 are all games dont dont benifit the PS3 sales wise and dont seem to vehicule much excitement outside of gaming forums.

Rather than pumping one exclusive per month that not much people care about Sony should produce half the games but give us the likes of MGS5 (even if its not 1st party) GT6, GOW4, Syphon Filter (5 years after launch, where the heck is it ?) etc.

Oh and also learn to advertise: Move gimmick comes out and nobody gives a crap, Kinect gimmick comes out and smashes everything.

@below: 1- you dont have any figures to prove that

2-everybody knows that the Kinect benefited MS at least 1000 times more than the Move benefited Sony

3- If the Move had never come out it would not have changed ANYTHING for the PS3 --> HUGE waste of money/time/R&D for Sony. Its like it never even launched. They should have sabed the money for something else rather than a gimmick that even the biggest of fanboys would take for free.

On the other hand MS spent money on Kinect and they are reaping the benefits --> best selling console in 2011 worldwide, record benefits for the gaming divisoon etc.

You have to spend money to make money.

BitbyDeath2018d ago (Edited 2018d ago )

@Superlupe, MS lost 500 million on advertising Kinect and only just scrapped ahead of the move. That was a bad Move IMO(excuse the pun)

360GamerFG2018d ago

Lost 500 million? You mean spent 500 million. They made a healthy profit despite spending half a billion to market Kinect. Thats like saying SONY lost 60 million on GT5. . .no, they spent it. You gotta spend money to make money, ever heard of that?
So Move has also sold 18 million units at $150? What's that? No? Oh then I'd say it was money well spent.

SuperLupe2018d ago (Edited 2018d ago )

Dont even bother dude. I bet the people running Sony have tha same logic as their followers.

No wonder they have fallen so fast.

Kinect has been nothing but a money maker and a huge benefit to the 360 concerning sales/popularity/market penetration etc. But to a Sony guy thats money "poorly spent" :/

I guess money well spent is developing a product (Move) and then letting it out to die. Thats how you do it. In that case why even bother ? Rather use that money on something else that will actually help your console sell more, like another AAA or better advertising.

killerhog2018d ago (Edited 2018d ago )

@superlupe

Stop speaking for everyone. Kz3 is at 2.18 million. Lbp 2 is also over 2 million, I believe (could be wrong). So cut your bs indiscerning statements. Selling a million is not a fail nor does it mean "nobody is interested" like you are trying to speak as it is.

Edit

Ah, I see you're a MS fanboy. Boy you really tried hard to not show it but your comments give it away. I had a feeling, by how you kept trying to talk for everyone and hyped MS but downplayed Sony. Ah, these undercover trolls.

Dante1122018d ago (Edited 2018d ago )

@ Lupe

I wish Kinect sales benefited me or the community in some way (Not seeing anything for the hardcore gamer). I really hope the 360 has more hardcore exclusives this year instead of Kinect games. Feels like Microsoft is gonna be going the way of the "casual gaming console" next gen (Way of Nintendo).

trouble_bubble2018d ago (Edited 2018d ago )

"LBP 2, KZ3, Socom 4, Resistance 3, Motorstorm Apocalypse, White Knight Chronicles 2 are all games dont dont benifit the PS3 sales wise and dont seem to vehicule much excitement outside of gaming forums. "

Oh Lupe. I think the problem is more that people don't know a good thing when they see it and think their subjective taste somehow supercedes countless GOTY awards including the AIAS, almost 8 MILLION in sales over 2 games of a new IP, and 2 of the highest rated metacritic games this gen at 95 & 91. Better than Halo & Gears avg.

I'm talking of course about LBP 1 & 2 which you just unbelievably called a liability for all intents and purposes. And you think Syphon Filter would do better than a 5 mil' debut and 95/100 avg?

The good games are there. People just have bad taste, or don't know about industry numbers as much as they think they do. If KZ3 hitting 2 mil' is bad, then wtf is Halo Anniversary for doing less? It's Halo. By fanboy logic, the brand alone should be pulling in 7 million a pop. But it ain't. 2007 is gone.

tiffac0082018d ago (Edited 2018d ago )

Just to be clear, White Knight Chronicles 2 is not developed by Sony. It was developed by Level-5. Sony just published the game in Japan and D3 in the west.

As for the topic at hand. The real problem with Sony is not the number of games they're making, its putting too much money on the unprofitable part of their company like their TV and smartphone division.

I said this before in another topic, if Sony would just focus their investments on the divisions that actually makes a profit for them, like their Playstation division then they can have a chance to be a leader in one market and not always be behind on every market.

I mean they just need to invest their money wisely. :/

princejb1342018d ago

@superludge

yea some of those games you mentioned i don't care either like LBP 2, KZ3, Resistance 3, Motorstorm Apocalypse, White Knight Chronicles 2

but the other games i wasn't able to buy because I been unemployed for almost a year, having a hard time finding employment

i believe if the economic was better than it is now sony would have huge sales also

TheLastGuardian2017d ago (Edited 2017d ago )

@SuperLupe

You might not be interested in those games but 8 out of 10 of my favorite games of 2011 were PS3 exclusives. I barely played any multiplats last year.

Sony put out alot of sequels to some of my favorite series of this gen so PS3 exclusives interested me so much more. LBP2 might not be your cup of tea but I happen to think it's one of the greatest games of all time.

ZippyZapper2017d ago (Edited 2017d ago )

They can't keep sinking money into new games when people barely buy them in favor of mutliplatform.

Most Sony games don't sell as well as Nintendo or MS. Sony only has one game that can compete with multiplatform sales.

They also need serious cuts to make up for those billion's in loses. If you guys truly supported Sony, you back their play so they can try and stay afloat.

Cost more to market 10 games than it does 5.

zag2017d ago (Edited 2017d ago )

Kenict isn't a money maker for the XBOX, it how ever is a money maker for everything else, that's why it's now bundled with the Xbox for free rather than have people buy it as an add on, as people just wouldn't bother.

Once it got hacked to work on windows it took off from there.

The Kienct 2 AD isn't even about the XBOX at all it's only about how you can use it for office and dealing with photos etc all in windows.

I've not seen an Kienct 2 AD that has even bothered about the XBOX.

To be honest Kienct is over rated, for what it is.

And multi plat games how many do you ever see that are big money makers not many really.

DragonKnight2017d ago

@gamingdroid: why is it that whenever people choose to talk up MS' games they speak as though 3rd party = Microsoft? MICROSOFT is the issue, not 3rd party devs. Microsoft don't make games, Microsoft don't care about core gamers, Microsoft Microsoft Microsoft. The 3rd party devs can release as many multiplat and rare exclusive games all they want to. It DOESN'T prop up Microsoft's offerings. Who the hell cares if 3rd party devs are delivering on their part of the bargain if MS aren't.

Sony don't need to develop less games. People need to remember that MS doesn't control gaming, and just because they introduced the mindset of having to sell 3 million units in a week, or charging for everything under the sun, and going with Nintendo's "ignore the core that built you" mentality, doesn't mean that that's best for gamers.

Sony, remember that your games sell over longer periods of time. Flash sales aren't good because they also mean just as quick a drop in demand. Bring us the games, and we'll buy them. Just maybe give us a break, or release the games during the summer lull when we're desperate for them.

MaxXAttaxX2017d ago

Sounds reasonable to me.

They may release less games, but I doubt Sony will sink to Microsoft's level. We'll still see quite a few games and they'll have more support.

At least we don't have to wait so much for new games unlike two other consoles. Having more options is good :)

JokesOnYou2017d ago (Edited 2017d ago )

As a gamer more games are always what I want but generally speaking Sony's lineup tends to be less desirable in the terms of game types compared to 360 because even in a year where there were the fewest 360 exclusives in 1 single year that I cared about, just 3= Gears3, Forza4 & Halo Anv. and for record remakes arent truely "new" exclusives but hey Halo is 1 of my all time favorites, anyway for all the talk about ps3 exclusive qauntity, I personally only cared for UC3, then when you figure I prefer to play all multiplats on 360/online/controller, again as a gamer clearly my 360 gets the majority of my playtime, I understand I dont represent all gamers of course but more and more I believe this is how a small but growing percent of gamers feel. Understandably you cant please everbody but frankly I treated much of ps3 lineup especially all those redundant and boring jrpg's they released in 2011 the same way I treated micros kinect crap= meh'...therefore I believe there is some truth to this analysis......its not that Sony should focus on less games but somehow find the right balance between hardcore great games and niche market games.

Its sorta like rich guys bragging about their car collections, at some point the quantity becomes irrevelant, more importantly the question is how many does he have that his less fortunate neighbors would kill to drive?

DragonKnight2017d ago

@JokesonYou: I'm sorry, but did you just say that the 360 has more desirable game types? The numbers aren't your friend. Considering that the 360 is still considered the "shooter" console, and with good reason, and is also the console with LESS exclusive content; it's impossible numerically for you to say that the 360 has more desirable game types and state it so absolutely as you did. Clearly the console with more games would have more game types to appeal to more people, thus you can see where you'd be wrong.

And your car analogy is also flawed, since his neighbours would want even one of his cars if they couldn't have them.

ritsuka6662017d ago

"Sony needs to expand their market, because PS3 among core gamers are saturated"

FAIL!

insomnium22017d ago (Edited 2017d ago )

MS exclusives selling 5 million day one just proves that people are starving for games. I guess exclusive games DO matter unlike what the x360 trolls here want you to think.

miyamoto2017d ago (Edited 2017d ago )

Its not about the games anymore.

Its about the western video games' MARKET and the main stream MEDIA.

MS, no matter how they suck, follows a Master Plan that is going to be tough to counter even for Sony or Nintendo.

Here are the clues War in the Middle East, Justin Beiber, CNN, NewsCorp, etc. Japan is being boxed out!

SilentNegotiator2017d ago (Edited 2017d ago )

"Without Kinect, MS like Sony might have to scale down their support. Having additional market is unlikely to hurt, but only help"

What would they have to cut? Halo, Gears of War, Forza, or Fable? Because the last I checked, those games didn't need to be subsidized because they sold well and people have to spend $60 a year to play them online.

What would they have to cut? Some of the internet apps that have nothing to do with gaming?

All of these things were around before Kinect, and did just fine.

"Oh and also learn to advertise: Move gimmick comes out and nobody gives a crap, Kinect gimmick comes out and smashes everything"
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So.....8 million = "nobody gives a crap"
and
10 million on a 500 million dollar marketing campaign = "Smashes everything"
???????

Where's the logic in that?

JokesOnYou2017d ago (Edited 2017d ago )

Did you miss the part where I specifically said "that I cared about", I thought it was clear that I was speaking about my preference while assuming a segment of gamers especially those who prefer 360 may feel the same way.....nothing against sony 'but I don't buy games for either console just because their exclusive, 360 has plenty of diversity despite what you may call it, sure its not as diverse as ps3 but it doesnt need to be because it should be very clear this far into 360's life cycle that certain game types dont really help 360 judging by software sales and hardware sales micro seems to know what their userbase wants which is why 360 brand needs to continue following its own path instead of trying to match game types with ps3. Of course there always room on the 360 for a few niche games every once in awhile, also casuals seem to like kinect which has been a huge plus but otherwise the majority of the core fanbase dont want to play Viva Pinata games, jrpg's, kart racers, Kameo type games, etc, so why should micro pump out a bunch of games that dont sell well on the 360 just for the sake of an exclusive count.

YES, shooters are my favorite genre because I'm very competitive and the online component tends to satisfy more so than other genres, but at the same time I do like a variety of other genres like sports, wrpgs, racing, a lil hack n slash and the occasional platformer, I don't just play any old game though, I have limited time for gaming, so I make tough choices about what to buy and what not to buy, which is why the whole point of my initial post is that while MORE games is a good thing overall I tend to be interested in a select amount of games, which in fact slants my preference in the 360's favor= in other words LBP as great as it is just isn't my cup of tea, Sony could pump out 1 every other month but for me I m not itching to drive that car, if ya know what I mean.

SephirothX212017d ago (Edited 2017d ago )

The fanboyism here is just ridiculous. Sure Kinect is not for the hardcore but it is not gimmicky and is not inaccurate. I know because I have developed a 3D game for it for college. It's voice recognition could be better and it is only applicable to casual games mostly but people clearly wanted it as it is one of the fastest selling electronic devices in history. The PS3 has many great exclusives but let's be honest, besides Uncharted and GT, none of them are massive sellers. Clearly PS3 owners on average are more interested in multi games. Go back and look at what got GOTY each year on the majority of sites. Gears 2006 and UC2 2009. Multis won every other year. Anyway, if someone has one console, why should they be angry if the other console hasn't got what they want when they don't have it? Fanboys are nothing but sheep licking the ass of major corporations like Sony and MS and should be shot.

grailly2017d ago

superlupe is right from an economic stand point,but I didn't buy into playstation for their economic situation, I bought into playstation for the games they put out. As lupe said, Sony put out games that nearly nobody cared about, that's a good thing! they are trying to please everybody. They surely didn't make any money of of motorstorm:apocalypse but it was one of my favorite games of 2011. they treat the consumer well. and as far as I know I'm a consumer not a share holder, so I'll stay by Sony.

GTRrocker2017d ago (Edited 2017d ago )

@SuperLupe

Just because you don't like the majority of Sony exclusives, it doesn't mean they didn't deserve to be made. I bought all of those games you "couldn't care less about" day one and still play them regularly to this day (Probably because I am not a jaded internet troll that pretends to have insight into the industry, I just like fun games of quality). And Believe it or not, your taste in games isn't the beacon that everyone else should follow.

Also Kinect sucked. You know it is a sad day for gaming when a 360 fanboy praises kinect over great games like Killzone 3 and Resistance 3. Have you even played any of those games that you "couldn't care less about"? They are actually really really good. You are missing out on some quality games, because you are choosing a console over great games.

dead_eye2017d ago

@SuperLupe

I for one couldn't give a fuck that the only game your interested in was UC3. The thing with Sony is that it's not all pleasing the majority. Or getting a big seller and then only making that game. It's about taking chances and that's why the variety of games on the playstation destroys what Microsoft and Nintendo are throwing out at the moment. Microsoft have 1 fps 1 tps 1 racer and 1 rpg. Fuck that I like to have a choice.

Can't believe the amount of shareholders on this site. I couldn't give a fuck how many consoles or copies of a game sells. Just give me quality games and hey I ain't gonna complain if I have a few to choose from.

jeseth2017d ago

If all the people that rant and rave about Sony Exclusives actually bought them they wouldn't be in this position.

I'm basically a PS only gamer and I buy virtually all exclusive games. But I know most of the people that fanboy it up don't. R3 was awesome but it sold like crap! Modnation was awesome but also, sold like garbage. Heavenly Sword, awesome. Fable, awesome. Etc. Etc. Lackluster sales. I can't blame Sony, they do need to make money.

Buy some games and show support. Otherwise don't say anything.

badz1492017d ago

Speak for yourself! Going for less games is clearlly a wrong direction to go to. I love Sony for the amount of exclusives they pump out every year.Multiplats are better on pc by miles, so there is no point really to own a console lacking in exclusives!

SkyGamer2017d ago (Edited 2017d ago )

It is nice for sony to make all these games. The fact remains that how long can it last before the proverbial bubble burst? Games are great but if they do not sell enough to even break even, then why bother? MS did that with the first Xbox. Look at where it got them? Look at the massive third party support and look where it got the ps2? So more games is good, but when money isn't as free as it was back then, how can you sustain? I know a majority of n4g'ers probably live with their parents or off of welfare, the rest have real life choices to make. How many games do I buy a month or do I make rent and put food on the table. Hmmm? Video games doesn't seem as important now does it? You learn to buy a few games a year and budget like hell.

INC NATE21312017d ago

All I have to say is, I didnt here microsoft recording a 2 billion dollar loss. Did anyone else here that? exactly. yes having all those exclusives must be great but umm how do you expect to sell games when you have so many coming out, just because you have alot doesnt mean ps3 is better. Do you really expect people to spend about 600 dollars on all the exclusives that come out over the year? also how are you going to give any of your exclusives any publicity. you advertise one for about 2 weeks then air another exclusive for commercial for another 2 weeks and forget about the previous one? see the only people hyping up ps3 games are PS3 FANBOYS! not the media, fanboys...name me one ps3 exclusive over the past 3 years that sold over 2.5 million on day one, i cant name any, the only one that came close was mgs4 with 1.5 million, you know why bc sony only had one good exclusive to focus on and gave it so much airtime. you have gears 3 with 3.1 million on day one, you have fable 3 with 1.2 million, and i mean thats a silly rpg. I mean halo doesnt even need media coverage for it to be hyped bc ms did a great job of building names for the exclusives. I mean its very common for halo and gears of war to be heard in a house hold for games rather than killzone,like killzone to me doesnt even exist anymore, i hear nothing about dlc or anything for it, which is what ps3 also does poorly, they dont release anything good for the game after its initial release. the only games on ps3 that are known are uncharted 3(barley saw any commercials) GOW( ok advertising but great game) and gt6, but what i had to wait 6 fucking years for that game when forza did the samething in 1/4 the time, in my opinion i rather play forza over gt anyday, to me forza looks better and over all is funmer to play, which what counts...oh and i didnt have to wait 6 YEARS FOR FORZA 4!! last guardian, how long was that in development 4, socom 4? what 3 years, i mean really come on.