Bruce Everiss of Seeking Alpha conjectures when the next Xbox 360 price cut is coming, based on the relative financial and market positions of Microsoft and Sony.
The 360 will have a price cut when MGS4 comes out.
wow that's really going to help, theres noting M$ can do to stop MGS4, just like sony couldn't do nothin too stop halo3
make sure you read between the lines here people....the 360 camp is calling for a price cut due to the increased ps3 momentum. they are now getting desperate and afraid.
first they denied/ignored the sales numbers:
then they tried to debunk Sony's sales forecast:
and now they are calling for a price cut now that they've accepted the worldwide growth in ps3 sales
keep in mind that vgchartz has been overtracking 360 sales by almost 2 million in NA and undertracking ps3 worldwide:
in other news, assassins creed and cod4 have hit 1 million each on ps3:
Honestly, can you sony fanboys get any more backward? 360 wasn't the console that had two price drops in it's first year. And the 360 is not the console with a 2-1 deficite. Understand this, if the 360 gets another price cut in the next month, it will be to bury the ps3, not out of desperation.
the discontinuation of the 60gb SKU wasn't a price cut, more of a fire sale. the creation of the 40gb SKU was to make the ps3 more attractive to more buyers. if you remember it also came with less hd space, usb ports, no card readers and no b/c. not really a price cut, just a cheaper version. the 360 didnt need a price cut in its first year since it had no competition.
now, to address your argument, halo 3 was supposed to bury the ps3. now its a price cut. whats next? free 360's to Japan? the ps3 is here to stay, so i guess we will all have to get used to your ridiculous logic.
Lol,I see sony fanboys are in full damage control.
I honestly can't understand why MS didn't already have the price cut. If they cut the price it would definitely cut into Sony's sales. I don't think waiting makes much sense. Hell i'm waiting for a price cut so I can buy one. The longer they wait, Sony builds up more momentum which wouldn't be good for them.
Hahahah THAT is funny because along with HOME, LBP also DELAYED it wont be out until at least Christmas 08. And MS will drop the price in the Spring when GTA4 comes out.
Before GTA IV comes out!
The article failed to mention one of the reasons Xbox360 has sold twice the systems could be that it has been out twice the time.
It fails to mention that the first year sales matched X360s almost exactly, despite hard competition from two other consoles.
It fails to mention PS3 being superior in hardware. I understand why this isn't a big issue with the SPUs, as nothing really uses them yet, but the BluRay player is important.
It also fails to mention that the article is only relevant to America, since Europe and Japan are selling far more PS3s and X360s.
I'm not saying it is biased, just uninformed at times. But I do agree with the overall message of a price cut possible early next year.
I think the tone should change from making it sound like the price cut will be the final blow, more to the price cut trying to keep it ahead of PS3s growing sales momentum.
it should be.......When is Microsoft's RROD Cure Coming?
you dont own an 360...where as i have a launch pro unit thats never failed and an elite 5 month old now thats never had a problem.....so much for your problems they dont exist cause you dont own the system...yet you post on forums my 360 broke!!!!
That's old news and MS have made amends since then.. Sheesh..
About 6 months ago...
Every new Xbox 360 is heat-failure free. They announced this months ago, when they changed the motherboard & CPU/GPU mounting, and reduced the component size and count.
Why dont you try and keep up? I know you have time, its not like you're playing games on that PS3 you love so much...
and maybe you are just a.....
again sometime early next year. After the Holiday rush is over. There is usually a drought of software during that period.
They need to get as close to a $200 mass market price point as possible if they want their install base to continue to grow at a healthy pace.
Price is after all a very important driving factor for hardware sales. This is one of the reasons why the Wii is so successful.
Hardcore gamers are willing to pay a higher pricetag for a games console. However, hardcore gamers make up a small percentage of the gaming demographic. Casual gamers by far outnumber them.
The casual gamers are the people that the $200 price tag appeals to. The gamers that just buy Madden, NBA live or GTA every new iteration...etc.
this site is getting ridiculous with the sony kids. they see your name and they find it fun to disagree.
ill give you another agree though, because i find what you said to be true.
It's not often I agree with you! But it would be tough to disagreee with anythign you are saying here..
There's no question that Sony has been gaining some momentum and that they do have a slew of good titles to tempt customers with in the new year, so it would make perfect sense for Microsoft to quell that momentum with a price cut that will make people pause and reconsider.
I agree that the next price cut is the most important one, and puts the product in the casual market which is indeed the largest demographic. Most 'hardcore gamers will have already bought one or both of main protaganists (I don't include wii). Though this market has tradionally been sony territory, the PS3 is still above mass market cost, so any inroads MS can make now will be good for the long run. You can plainly see by the adverts this xmas and many titles that they are concentrating on, that they recognise this, and understand that they need to grab some of the casual audience, so I'd expect aggresive pricing to be part of that push too. Only time will tell if they succeed..
360 has alot of momentum going into 2008. The current 360 library is solid as a rock. Any gamer would be hard pressed not to pick a 360 up with a $379/$250/$179 pricepoint. I agree with this analyst, a $100 price drop across the board would be a knockout punch to the ps3. That would probably not only put the 360 back in the running with Wii, but it would probably be the move that finally sent the ps2 into retirement.
Is only solid to people who like shooter. To me it weak enough to a gently wind could destroy it.
Lol, yeah and you little ps3 followers are coming out of the woodwork to buy COD4 and UT3. GTFO hypocrite. You say that the 360's library only has shooters, yet 360 has higher quality and a higher quantity of every genre of game on the market over the ps3. GTHO kid.
Well I am buying none of those. Folklore enterains me far more than Halo ever did. I played the first on the PC and I hated it.
Marketing-wise, that's the biggest title to be released next year. Rockstar/take two really goes all out to push that franchise.
If GTA releases in first half of 08 then two small price drops, one with GTA and one for Holiday 08. If GTA releases 2nd half of 08 then probably a bigger drop during the holiday.
Wouldn't be surprised if they do some sort of redesign/refreshed console for holiday 08 release.
Nintendo doesn't need to drop their price until demand starts to slow.
PS3 will most likely drop another $50 - $100 next year as well to coincide with either MGS or GTA.
When will Xbox 360 drop in price? Not until Sony drops the PS3 again.
This is about *relative* price -- and MS is exxactly where they want to be wrt price.
Before GTAIV is Released
there doing a bundle with the ps3 and gta
The bundle reads "episodic content not included".
episodic content isn't 'included' with the X version either.
a. it comes later as downloads
b. you are going to be paying for it...it isn't 'inlcuded' in the price.
Does "episodic content not available" sound better?
He believes Xbox will sell 80 milliion + world wide too.
Fanboys shouldn't be over 30 years of age imo.
Agreed but, same goes for Patcher bro. He's a massive Sony fanboy always screaming non-sense. I say we lock them both in a room....Winner take all. lol
thats how all the fanboys should be dealt with. except lock them in a room with a 6'5" 300 lb. buttraping bodybuilder.
Competition is better for gamers. If PS3 is at a cost disadvantage, it wouldn't be "all about the games". I hope both 360 and PS3 reach the $300 mark. I know it's unlikely for PS3, but think for a sec... PS3 could simply launch another basic version of the PS3. It's already widely known that 65 nm cell and RSX will be implemented in Spring on PS3s, so Sony could launch a PS3 with everything that 360 has and a little more, meaning no WiFi, no BC and a 20GB HDD (and of course, 2 USBs instead of 4 like the early models). That would probably be enough for Sony to drop the price to $300.
Microsoft also has plenty of legroom, both in games and hardware, to drop the price of the Premium to $300. To 1up Sony, they'll have the "Arcade" at $250 to compete with the Wii. I suspect Sony will do something about the more expensive PS3s to compete with Xbox 360 Elite. Perhaps the 80GB PS3 will indeed disappear and they'll release 120GB or 160GB instead of 80GB with partial BC.
If both Sony and Microsoft's flagship consoles cost $300, it'll be interesting and it'll give some incentive for people to stop buying Wii and finally jump beyond to the next-gen.
I think both will try to reach $199 sooner or later.
i believe MS will cut the price around the time GTA4 comes out and have it bundled with the premium system. premium for 300 with GTA4 + Halo 3. that would push a lot of consoles.
I don't think M$ will drop the price until at least spring or summer. Of course you won't be getting 2 free games with the new price drop as well, so does that really make it worth waiting for?
needs a price cut
if they make that thing 350bucks they will be able to hang in 08 even without the games that as far as i have seen they dont have.
I cant see a price cut before then no need to, the user base is getting to the point that 3rd parties simply cannot ignore the 360, look at software sales the 360 games are representing 50% of all games sales for their revenue
Microsoft are at the point where price cuts will sell more console but the amount of software sold to 360 owners is already record breaking and they are happliy making $10 off every game sold
But they are certainly in an enviable position having obnly cut their price by a small amount since launch and they certainly have room to do more
and lately, ever since Peter Moore resigned, xbox 360 has lost a lot of flame, they really need to step it up or ps3 will completely overtake it unchalleged. We need there to be tight competition, otherwise the winning side will be less motivated to make new innovate stuff. The 50$ price drop of the 360 in my opinion was a total cheap joke, the first price drop of a system should be no less than 100$, if they want any hope of keeping the ps3 from pwning ps3, tehy'v got to do better than that, and get more AAA games out again, right now they're slackin.
Price point for 360 is very good for MS at the moment, why would they drop the price any time soon.
Next price cut will be next year about november time only if PS3 is doing much better or Sony drop the price again.
I think MS at the moment are in a good position, i think if they really wanted to up the stakes they could knock another $40 (£20) and take it to Sony. MS have all the right cards at the moment to play the waiting game.
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Price cut could be any day really. I expect MS to drop the bomb soon, to set back Sony again in sales, just when they thought it had picked up again.
GTA4 with a $200 xbox bundle price-cut and its over.
For MS I agree is coming around when GTA4 rolls around and will probably be around 50 again but across the board this time. MS has managed to hold on without droping the price for a long time and have managed to hold off sonys push this christmas(thunmbs up to sony for doing a great turn around towards the end of the year). I probably see a nother 50 drop then closer to christmas 08 around the same time sony did this year which would help sales around the christmas time especialy if they have some big game to go along with it. Sony I cant see droping the price until late next year simply because they need to start making a profit and cant afford to cut price without leaving a long spell go by at this price point. When it does come(around middle to end of next year) I expect it to be around 50 not a nother 100 other wise sony might never make up it loses. I have to say though that sony price point right now for what you get is really good, its just to expenisve for people who just want a gaming machine. Good gaming
The price cut will probably happen around the same time it did this year. MS has no need or threat which will make it cut for now. Honestly though I think that the 360 and PS3 need price cuts off of their HDD's. It's ridiculous what the price is for extra space. MS charges $100 for 20 gigs. 20 gig HDD for the pc (if you can find one) cost about $2. Oh and MS you need to make a console with the HD-DVD player built in. Trust me people will upgrade even if they already have the drive. Plus for all of you're loyal fans that bought a console at launch you should allow them to upgrade their console for free to get that hdmi port.
it did you must have missed it
Ms will bleed its fans for all they got and they lower the price slightly and them bleed some more.
has been doing it for ages, especially with a $600-$400 console yet without AAA titles.
At least the 360 is at a reasonable price.
Ms should of lowered the price but they didn't so they are taking more money off the customer at least Sony lowered its price. 360 is cobbled together with the remains of the original.
this is exactly what i've been thinking for a while...
of course a price cut is coming, and i would expect it aroung the time GTA4 comes out, which will be without a doubt the best selling game of 2008, and being the better version as said by the developers is on the 360 due to exclusive content, 360 sees another big jump in sales.
You take the games out of the premium and drop it to $279,
and you drop the acrade to the SWEET SPOT of $199.
and its game over for sony. GTA4 is a system seller...NOT MGS4...although it looks incredible its still not going to move systems like GTA4 will. And also, its a fact, whoever gets to the price of $199 will have a HUGE JUMP in sales, because that is the price that the mass market flocks to.
MS could make a 1 or 2 game bundle with 20 or 40 dollars off the retail price and it could work,the system price is close to the same but the games cost could be 50 dollars off
its a few ways they could do a price cut looking into the math , i see it with arcade they give you a few games with the new core a few dollars off the systems retail price and how much are those games if brought from live arcade by themselves?
G.O.W2,Huxley,Halo Wars,Splinter Cell5,Too Human,Lost Odessey,Ninja Gaiden2,Golden Axe,Dead Or Alive 5,Alan Wake,Fable 2,Kingdom Under Fire,Fracture,Infinite Undiscovery plus a price cut=World Domination.....
now is the perfect time before Christmas
Good idea MS do a price cut to get rid of all the crap boxes left, then release the new ones that hopefully work.
They the have to fix that 30% failure rate before I buy one.
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