"We MUST make a profit to become what we want to become" says Curt Schilling.
this stuff is only going to get more and more common, and while i cannot say i like it, i understand the intent and where the devs/publishers are coming from. i bet next gen all games will have codes, and you will enter it upon booting up your game and it will sync that code to your live/psn/wii ware account, similar to what many pc games do already. unfortunately, it's just the way the industry moves. it sux, but whatever, i want devs to get my money for their hard work, not the slags at gamestop.
This is basicly the same as the Mass Effect and Dragon age passes so I do not see a problem with this. And a gamer who believes in the used game market, these online passes are imho the best medium we have found for both to work together and that is a good thing as a whole for the industry.
I get the point of online pass. but I hate it when devs misuse it like this! Online pass is understandable for an online game because server maintenance cost money but what's there for a SP only game? NOTHING and this is just a dick move from their side!
But without the "slags" at gamestop many people who dont look on this website and magazines etc wont know that the game even exsists and the markup for new games is alot lower than used games and since many people can only afford used its a bit of a slap in the face to the poorer people :(
So whats stopping you from waiting to get it used? Ahhhh....thats right nothing. Game will still be massive... still ends the same... you just wont get a cool side mission and some loot. So what? If you really cant afford it new...get it used and down the road when you can afford it by the pass if you really think its worth it. Problem solved.
@dlacy im just saying the publishers should treat the shops selling their game and pushing it to consumers a little better than just trying to put them out of buisiness by making you buy it new.... sure you can wait till down the line but thats hardly the point lol
Pshh, like they won't make a profit regardless... And some people bash on Twisted Metal's developer for NOT wanting it in his game, yet having to abide by rules and put it in.
I don't understand why publishers feel the need to screw gamers over when they can just as easily throw a "Not for resale" tag on the game cases and extend their copyright's to not allow retailers to sell used copies. Punish the retailers for not sharing the profits, not the gamers for not always being able to afford new copies.
I'm sure 'Not for resale' would work exactly the same as 'M' or 'AO' ratings are working right now. No one would give a s***.
Not for resale probably would not effect selling on ebay...so in the end people would still get it someway cheap. (reply meant for dasteru not krisq)
The not for resale tag by itself wouldn't do anything but if its tied into a copyright extension then any selling of them would be considered copyright infringement. http://www.myce.com/news/sa... "Effects of the court’s decision could be widespread in the world of digital media, and has the potential to kill the huge used video game business that exists in the US today. A look at Electronic Arts’ EULA reveals a very similar verbiage as the AutoCAD EULA which states that the software is licensed, not sold." @BldyShdw: Yes individuals would still sell used games on ebay but it would nix places like ebgames which is the major problem and reason for these online passes. A few people selling on ebay isn't going to cause enough of a problem to developers/publishers for them to need to continue with the online passes.
so its a single player rpg? why online pass?
Online pass? damned... demo was great, but just because of that shit, I'll wait a big price drop before getting it.
that doesnt even begin to make sense, the online pass comes with it new anyway so as long as your not looking to buy it for $55 used instead of $60 new at gamestop, this shouldnt even matter. also i bet if you wait a week or two target will have it for sale $10 off like they always seem to. i dont really agree with the online pass, for multi or single but to not buy it becuase of it, thats retarded. if you were planning to buy it new to begin with then the online pass really doesnt effect you. i personally buy all my games new simply becuase on top of playing, i also collect them and like for all my games to be in mint condition. now lastly i think people are just complaining on this one becuase of the timing. he says the content unlocked is day one dlc, now while i highly doubt that is true, if this game came with a pass that you entered when you bought it new and they told you that it would unlock future dlc for free, say 2 months from now, everyone would be praising them for their awesome fan support. but they're launching it on day 1 which leaves everyone with the idea that they simply cut content during the original development ( which they prob did ), and then are charging us for it again ( which technically speaking, we would have already funded the development of with our initial purchase ).
Good my fellow gamer I have pledged to buy new games at 10- 20 dollars less starting this year. The online pass games are totally at the 20 maybe more limit!!! Sick of the extra hoops you gotta go through to play games now. edit: lets be real how is 10 dollars even equal to a new 60 dollar game? So its all BS
"We MUST make a profit to become what we want to become" online pass revenues won't help you in the slightest. EA needs to advertise it well, or it's barely going to do over a million, 2 million at the most. Unless the reviews are good, and I mean REALLY good. I hope it does well, maybe TESVI will have good combat if it does.
"We MUST make a profit to become what we want to become" well said in my opinion. can you really blame them (in the real world that is)?
Exactly, its suprisingly refreshing for a company to just come out and say "hey we want to make money". At least they seem to be providing a hell of a good product.
I agree completly.
I'm not here to pass judgment as to whether or not 'online passes' are necessary. But I just have one question.... Why are they calling this an "online pass"? They(whoever makes these decisions) should call it what it is. It's not an online pass if there is no online functionality in this game, and the other single player only games that have this. That's the end of my soap box.
I think the 'online'part refers to access to DLC which is mostly available over the internet, it's not just access to multiplayer content.
Why doesn't the gaming industry come together and make their on gamestore and put gamestop out of business.
simple they dont know how to manage one!!! If they did they would still find fault in used games actually its probably a bad idea for gamers. prices would never come down just like DD
The problem is some people won't buy games new if they come with an online pass. The only way online passes could help the industry is if the losses from people who won't buy the game new anymore is less then the profit from people who buy online passes. Don't forget that when DRM was added to PC games the PC gaming industry started to shrink.
Kids and ill informed comenting on the business of videogames, yeah. I read most of these comments above and feel like I am listening to 4 year olds crying because the mixed the red and blue pladoh and not they don't have any blue playdoh anymore, it is very interesting. I commend Kurt Schilling on speaking the truth, this is a f*cking business, and when you are sitting on your ass all day arguing on which console is better most of you clearly have no understanding on how this business works, money needs to be made in order to continue making games. PS: This is the same as there is on Mass Effect, no one is bitshing about that.
Ok, I've seen this a lot and I've said what I'm about to say before, but I guess I'll say it again. HOW IS THE USED GAME MARKET TAKING YOUR PROFITS AWAY?! Seriously. Every single publisher that uses these passes is saying "we want more money for the same copy of a game" and they don't care how much greed is put behind it. You already made a new game sale, meaning PROFIT. A used game is, in principle, the same as someone taking their disc and giving it to a friend. Only in this instance it's for money. The servers are not bogged down as there is no additional people, only a transfer of hands. Thus you can't claim that it's to maintain server costs. What, are you trying to say that used games take away from future buyers? Well tough, you can't predict if people would even buy your game to begin with. This is about greed, like every online pass.
Regardless of whether you consider it to be greedy or not, at the end of the day Publishers and Devs get no money from a used game sale. It's hardly supprising the people who provide the money for game development don't want to lose revenue thats just the nature of capitalism.
That's not exactly true. When you trade in a game you get credit at the store and most of the time this credit is used to get another game. Example: - Joe buys $60 game - Joe returns it for $30 credit - Joe buys new game for $60 - $30 credit = $30 If Joe couldn't return his first game then it would cost $60 for a new game which he may not be able to afford. Being able to return the game means Joe can buy more new games. The only way the used market could really be damaging to the game industry is if the credit was always used to buy used games. In some cases the credit is used to buy new games which increases the number of new game sales helping the game industry.
I agree with Danniel1 If you buy used then the money is going to gamestop(for example) and not going to EA(For example). Gamestop sits on it because they know their business wont last forever and they build their golden parachutes. EA knows games will onlyget bigger in the end and while they will do some lining of the pockets a huge return would allow them to hire more dev's. Open more studios. Produce larger and more fun games. etc... so used game sales do "Hurt" the industry to an extent. When a game drops to 20$ then the sale is kind of irrelevant. They still make a little money but the return is just for maintaining servers and such at that point.... Used or new it doesn't matter but giving your money to gamestop does not help the industry at all...
maintaining servers on a SP game!???thats new to me!more like ripping off gamers to fill there pockets!
Well there are some instances. i.e. Leader boards, DLC servers etc... I was talking about passes in general. I don't know if you read the article but the KOA guys basically said "This was supposed to be DLC that EA wanted us to sit on for a month then release. We convinced them to make it a pass for new game buyers"... So honestly I feel they did us as much of a solid as they could given what the alternate is. You can talk about ripping gamers off all day but in the end all the devs are trying to do is make a product you will like and publishers are trying to promote and sell the game to you. as long as I get what I feel is my moneys worth then I feel good. If I get 12 or more hours of quality entertainment from KOA then anything extra is just nice... Truth is used game sales place are in the habit of ripping gamers off much more then Dev's or Pubs. So if your gonna gripe I'd say do it over the way used games are milked and not the reasoning behind online passes becasue int he end if you think about it. An online pass should drive the prices of used game sales down. If the online portion or the DLC or whatever is "Meh" to you then instead of paying 55$ for a used game GS will have to start bringing them down to 45$. So it's a win win for you if you don't care.... Get it?
I would agree with online passes and paying for them if GameStop would sell there used games for less cause when we get home and turn on said game we have to pay or the pass so I buy a game used for 55$ with tax then get a online pass that's 70$ dollors or more if game stop would charge maybe 40$ for a new release used game then buying a pass would not be a problem so for now lil buy my games new and the one with online passes I just wait till the price drops
It certainly does not feel like a reward for people that purchase new, especially with the stunts that publishers have pulled in the past. The consumer does not care about the need to profit when they have been scammed in the past. They have no reason to trust publishers any more with respect to DLC through these passes, and it isn't the consumer's fault. It is the fault of the industry itself. Why not launch the game at 40USD? (Particularly on PC.) This whole thing is a failure of marketing and a consequence of the lack of trust people have for EA.
Insert 1 credit to begin level 2 It would be even worse if you were to have bought it on psn/live, only to pay again for an online pass. Sucks for those without internet access. Slippery slopes here we come. It's like a water slide in the winter. it just doesn't mesh well.
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