The topic regarding next generation - especially regarding the Xbox 360 successor - has been heated up in recent weeks. Epic Games, the developer behind the Gears of War series and creator of the Unreal Engine, has commented on the Xbox 720.
It seems odd for them to talk about the longevity of this console generation when, as far as I can tell, it hasn't really surpassed the length of the standard console generation yet. Five or six years is generally about how long they last, so the idea that this one is so long that it's worth noting seems strange.
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Console generations are going to get shorter as the years pass, this because the cost of CPU, GPU, intel chips etc etc follow an inverse exponential law. In addition, as these costs begin to lower and lower, the demand for better graphics will be a factor in the gaming industry. Just look at the difference between the PC and console versions of Battlefield 3. while I don't always agree that graphics make or break a game, it is certainly a factor in certain genres and more processing power can lead to great new innovations. I think this console cycle is about a year or two away from being done. That's 9 years for the xbox360 if the next xbox comes out in 2014 (which it likely will). I think that's a pretty good number of years considering how much more advanced PC processing power has become.
"Console generations are going to get shorter as the years pass, this because the cost of CPU, GPU, intel chips etc etc follow an inverse exponential law. In addition, as these costs begin to lower and lower, the demand for better graphics will be a factor in the gaming industry" You just explained the entire history of gaming/technology. Why would it suddenly mean "shorter generations"? Hardware has ALWAYS been becoming more powerful and demand has always followed. The Xbox 360 is going on 7 years! The 6th gen was basically about the same time. Generations aren't getting shorter. Creating hardware still takes time to profit and once they start making profit, they're not wanting to throw it away fast.
While we are reflecting on Epic's comments we should also remember other remarks they have made. Mainly these. First, Sweeney, Capps, and Rein have stated that we won't see the next Unreal engine until around 2014. By seen they mean in a retail game. http://www.joystiq.com/2011... He even goes so far in the interview to state this: "I spend about 60 percent of my time every day doing research work that's aimed at our next generation engine and the next generation of consoles," Sweeney told IGN, adding that this "technology that won't see the light of day until probably around 2014." You can add to this the other prominent lines Epic has toed on a regular basis: http://www.develop-online.n... "Our Samaritan concept, if you look at PC hardware in two or four years’ time, is something that the next consoles can achieve." And this: "And the other thing I’ll call out; I want Unreal Engine 4 to be ready far earlier than UE3 was; not a year after the consoles are released. I think a year from a console’s launch is perfectly fine for releasing a game, but not for releasing new tech. We need to be there day one or very early. That’s my primary focus." If Epic says the next generation won't be ready until 2014, if they say they want Unreal 4 to be a launch engine for next generation, and that engine won't be ready until 2014, it is fairly obvious what Epic, who work closely with the hardware manufacturers, is telling us.
That's some pretty good investigation there. However, we're beginning to see more 3rd party engines revealing this gen most notably the Frostbite 2.0 as well as the Cryengine 3. If "next-gen" specs are to be believed, then you would know that it would take a lot more to bring out the potential for these engines. That being said, the UE4 may be the first "jump" in next-gen 3rd party engine, but I doubt they would be the deciding factor for the release of next-gen. Now that SONY and Nintendo are getting the huge picture for "easy-to-develop" for system on top of the online component which MS has been dominating for years. I wouldn't be a bit surprised if MS were to release the console early because right now it is in a very disadvantage position knowing both Nintendo and SONY both have the first party studios AND the support to be extremely competitive. The Vita is a prime indication of that, think what would happen to a market when the only deciding factor is not whether the console is "hard-to-develop" for but whether which games or hardware that stands out, and MS's only trump card is the Kinect.
@da_2pacalypse Not gonna happen, people will not buy an updgraded console every 2-3 years, Consoles are made to last as long as they can, every gen last 6 years max This gen is was going to last more, beacause the transition from SD to HD was too freaking expensive for Devs and Publishers and they wanted to get as much cash as they could, but when the Wii-U comes out, this gen will be left behind, doesn't matter IF Nintendo is playing catch up with tech What I can see about HW is what MS did this gen, make a basic model and release new revisions with added functionality and stuff, so keep an affordable price, when manufacturing costs go down, Console Makers can add some new s*** in their HW I'm thinking IF Sony was smart and use some common sense, they'd upgrade their Vita (using their Mobile-Phone arm/division) to make it more competitive with Smartphones and s*** but it ain't happening :P maybe 4G with some luck :) O-T I want to know If Epic is helping MS again to make their Xbox Next like they did with X360, thanks to them X360 got more RAM, so maybe they're telling to MS what they want for Next Gen, of course nothing crazy and expensive to run Samaritan, but some pretty great stuff for sure
5 or 6 years? The 360 was out in 2005, the PS3 in 2006. If a new console was to come out this year, that'd be 6 or 7 years. Next year it'll be 7 or 8 years...I don't really see why people think this generation is still "young". Going by your logic, we should have had a new console last year.
i dont get why everyone is all of a sudden not wanting a new console, its due time by now...i mean lets look at PS since it has more generations ps (dec 1994) - ps2 (oct 2000) = about 6 years ps2 (oct 2000) - ps3 (nov 2006) = about 6 years going on this trend, ps4 or whatever they call it, is due this year atleast by the last quarter xbox (nov 2001) - xbox 360 (nov 2005) = 4 years its almost 7 years since, it think its about time for a new xbox
Finally, some one who knows what they're talking about. Bubbles +1
SixZeroFour, the previous generations lasted as long as they did because of how limited they were in terms of technology and content. The PS3 and Xbox 360 are several steps beyond their predecessors and both systems are more versatile than ever. They can upgrade to handle new technologies and peripherals. You can now download new content to your games to make them last longer. Therefore, the lifespan of a system is elongated. The only time a new system should be released is when there is something truely worth upgrading for that the current systems can't handle. Graphics? Sure they might get much better, but that alone would not constitute a new system these days. Both systems seem to be doing great right now and still have some momentum left in them.
Can someone point out to me where Epic actually spoke of the xbox 720 as the title say? I could find that in this article. I appreciate the assistance. Thanks.
I can’t believe people aren’t more outraged at this. We’re all sitting at home with nice HD TVs, playing games powered by 7 year old hardware. We needed a new console last year. Not this year. Not next year. Definitely not 2014 when the xbox 360 will be NINE years old.
We need new consoles that's for sure, thanks N fo realize that and stepping up with a poweful console this time, sure MS knwos that as well and the current X360 success will not let them change their mind about releasing a new console asap!
Sikbeta & Fullymoated, like I said, age doesn't matter much anymore. This day in age, consoles can adapt to almost anything that is released. Sony and Microsoft were aiming for a 10 year span anyway, and I'm sure they'd be happy if it reached that point. That goal will probably be cut short just to compete with Nintendo's Wii U though. Don't be surprised if the next systems last an actual 10-15 years because they just might be fully adaptable to anything. If you think that's a long time, wait until Moore's Law screws us over. We won't be seeing anything for a loooong time. Besides, wouldn't it be great to spend your money on a system that can last that long?
The 360 was out in 2005, the PS3 in 2006. If a new console was to come out this year, that'd be 6 or 7 years. Next year it'll be 7 or 8 years...I don't really see why people think this generation is still "young".
From the article: "So you should only replace the hardware when you can make a dramatic leap in quality, not just 2X or 3X. It has to be huge and fundamentally new" Plus the talk of moving to mobile gaming. Does this equal a veiled pop at Nintendo/Microsoft if they underdeliver on the spec fronts....? Could this be Epic saying we aren't impressed with your hardware, so we are moving away to alternative platforms? I don't think they could afford to drop home consoles altogether as they have a great revenue stream. But maybe they are genuinely switching focus somewhat.
I read as this. "The 720. Yeah, we did the 360 and did it well. We're sure we'll be there with the 720." "But what is really new for us is mobile gaming and we're excited about our prospects for that too."
No, I read that they're going for a Unity style engine that is consistent across many platforms: including web and mobile devices.
Other than the demo video, I can't wait to see what Epic will do with its Unreal Engine in a practical scenario.
Why is this getting disagrees? Lol?
I think its because there is not enough REVENGANCE in his comment.
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Can't wait to see more of their Simaratan demo
The Simaratan demo wasn't Unreal Engine 4. It's Unreal Engine 3 with DX11.
epic actually calls simaratan with dx11 unreal 3.9 so im sure 4.0 won't be to far off of what the next engine will look like for consoles to bad pc gamers with nice rigs could have it now and with kepler and ati 7 series around the corner sli or xfire would prolly run it easily :-( after being optimized they could prolly get it to run on one 560ti pretty insane. http://www.geforce.com/News...
watch the video at the bottom of my link above the prez of epic mike capps says there calling it unreal 3.95
Seemed to me he spent more time talking about a game engine that runs in a browser environment being used to make games with a broader appeal. His statement about not having a large install base also makes me think they are gonna wait a while to release anything on new hardware.
Epic won't wait, they didn't wait when the 360 and PS3 came out and the result was that practically half the games on both consoles are made with the Unreal Engine. The lower install base actually helps Epic, because developers want to risk as little as possible on a new platform, but if they can target multiple platforms with a solid engine, then it works out best for them. I wouldn't be surprised if Unreal 4 was ported to the PS360 for that very reason - you can make your game for the current gen install base while also hitting the next gen console's early adopters.
They waited a year to release Gears of War. They will wait a year or more to release their first next gen xbox game as well. They have to please investors. And investors want to see big launches and big returns.
In reply to your comment about "waiting to release Gears of War", you are incorrect sir, Gears of War was already in development and if possible, would have been a launch title. They didn't wait at all they were actually rushing, which is why Gears had a lot of texture tearing and poor streamlined loading. Kushan is correct, it's a bidding war for engines and the sooner Epic gets something out the sooner more people will license the UE for "next-gen" projects. Right now they're in stiff competition against Crytek with the CryEngine and EA with DICE's Frostbite. You can bet your bottom dollar EA will have a launch title lined up for the PS4/Xbox 720 running on the latest Frostbite and we already know Avalanche has a new game in the works using their latest engine and I'm pretty sure Crytek has something, too.
Epic was the reason MS put 512mb RAM and not 256mb in the 360. They showed MS what Gears would look like on 256mb and then showed how much better it would be with 512mb.
I hope all the next-gen game engines emphasize massive destructibility, AI and physics.
This ^^ As far as those things you mentioned their hasn't been much changed in the last ten years. You'd think with all that power that'd be a tonne of physics stuff going on.
"If you look at games like Call of Duty and Gears of War, it's clear that console is the pinnacle of the gaming experience." "Around 2004, we decided the game industry's sweet spot was moving to consoles. So we made the transition from a PC game company to a console game company with Gears of War. Now we see new changes afoot with the move to mobile and web gaming with Adobe Flash. So we put together business relationships with Apple and Adobe and other folks to do what we need for the future." In other words they move to where the money is. It has nothing to do with which platform is the 'pinnacle of gaming'.
UMAD? What company isn't out for money? We don't live in a great world where buisinesses don't care about money and they care about always satisfying the customer. BTW if they are striving to satisfy, better reviews= more cash. By pinnacle of gaming I'm sure they meant the platform of which gaming is going and will be most popular on.
what? stop putting words into my mouth it sounds like you're going out of your way to start an argument here. I'm merely pointing out the subtle and often unnoticed PR spin these company statements inevitably possess.
I think the trend will actually move back towards the PC. This is why, once consoles begin selling upwards of $800, they should think about merging with the PC. How many gamers will drop $800+ in two years for a console using the radeon 6000? I know they do things to get more out of it, but how much realistically. I agree that if a new console is coming, it needs to b 20x as powerful, not 6x. Otherwise, its cheaper for me to build a good PC. Its upgradeable, hasn't mods, the games are generally cheaper and it can b my computer. I understand that consoles have a community advantage and all my friends are there, but if there is a stark difference in December 2013 between the 2, i could see ppl leaving consoles in droves.
It won't be $800. Xbox 720 uses technology based off a $70 GPU. The console will be $300-$400 at most.
we no nothing yet, mirosoft could come out using a 70 dollar GPU or 170 we just dont no yet
The next gen consoles from MS and Sony wont go any higher then $400. $400 is alot of money for the average gamer to go buy a new console. The world we live in now is alot different to 2005/6.
For the love of all things good. THE NEXT GEN XBOX WILL NOT USE AN ATI 6670!!!!!!!! The Xbox 360's GPU is very similar to and ATI X1900, which had a retail price of $600 in 2005 when the 360 launched. Manufacturers pay a fraction what we would have to pay for something like that. http://reviews.cnet.com/ATI...
I paid $699 for my ps3, $850 after a controller, game and insurance. I don't think either will b less than $600 at launch. The Xbox will now have blue ray, a new version of kinnect etc. No way will they b $400 unless that is the strategy to get tons of ppl to make an immediate switch but that generally isn't how it is. First, they milk the hardcore gamers that have to have it, then they milk the holidays, and maybe after the initial year, it will come down. I don't think they will break from that model especially with how strong the current Gen is and what the consoles do right now (with online etc.).
I'm gonna make my own super Console!!! It will be a PC but I'll mod it to play all next gen games!!!
i will shit my pants if they don't announce it at E3
I hope both the PS4 and Xbox 720 are announced this year for a Holiday 2012 or 2013 release, both being priced at $399. That would make it the best E3 ever. And Nintendo would shit THEIR pants. lol I think many people will be disappointed if the 720 or PS4 aren't announced at this year's E3.
2013 is a maybe though....excluding Nintendo of course.
Epic has a grasp on what the graphics will look like on the next xbox console.they sound excited and ready to get started.
Go big microsoft!
"We have announced a new game Fortnite for an entirely different audience, more casual." Epic got Rare'd
Without a better GPU then the entry level 6670 (look up the stats urself) Next Gen won't be impressive at all.....
It is based on a amd 6670. The PS3 is based on a Nvidia 7800 and it can handle better graphics than any 7800 can do if you buy the pc one. So a 6670 can go a long way but having a better GPU would be a lot better.
"it's clear that (the) console is the pinnacle of the gaming experience"... Id say PC gamers found that tough to read!
"Epic Games comments on Xbox 720" - I´m sorry, but they did not.
The Xbox 360 will be around when the Xbox720 comes out...MS has to do a Sony...have the life of the PS2 continue while the PS3 is debut. MS killed the original Xbox when the 360 came out...this time around it will be different. A new Xbox 360 comes out Fall of Next year... Sony really does not need to release anything now because they have momentum...and they are slowly playing catch up with MS. With an unprecedented portfolio of exclusives that can really sway Wii buyers and 360 buyers who are bored with the lack of "Core" games to play...by staying in this gen a little longer Sony can say hey our console was "Future proof" because we are still competing with next Gen consoles...and look at our sales now. We can make a product that is relevant for a decade.. --Xbox360 has went from a game machine for core gamer's to a media box for causal users..how time changes things.. --PS3 went from a media box for the rich and elite to a game machine.....for real core gamer's --and Nintendo is finally growing up with the Wii U entering the world of HD Video and Sound....I have not own a Nintendo product since gamecube....the Wii U may be my next Nintendo's purchase. Sony will be the last to the market reason being: Sony's entire business portfolio center's around the "PS3".....and Sony love's tech...so the PS4 will have the latest tech that will be able to sync with everything Sony..... --There's even tech in the PS3 that has yet to see the light of day... --like Move and 3D gaming combine to really make something special... --the ability to map a cgi face to your own using the PS3 eye and syncing eye and mouth movement... --the ability to endlessly zoom in on any thing and see unprecedented details The PS3 still does have some time...and I believe that the next 360 will dictate the arrival of the PS4....if the new 360 comes out and it's totally mind blowing it may force Sony's hand to do the same sooner versus later...
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LoL. They just knocked both the Wii U and the next XBox without realizing it. This will be a good article to quote for humor, when the full specs of the upcoming platforms are known.
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