Microsoft may have the majority share of gamers this generation but out of all of the console manufacturers they are the only one who need to make a next-generation console.
I agree with the point about disks... But what would they use instead? Could they actually implement Blu-Ray?
The xbox is amazing and a new xbox isn't needed at this point. They're still stretching their legs with kinect ,and a bunch of good games will be releasing this year such as halo 4 and Alan wake. It would be nice to have a new console but it isn't needed.
a bunch of good games?? I mean 2 games mean a buch for you??
I'm pretty sure they will avoid Blu-ray like the plague. SD cards would be a possibility, if there's a way to put a secure copy protection on these things. Maybe unique keys that have to be registered online.
32GB+ SD cards are too expensive....we'd be looking at something worse than N64carts price wise. Microsoft isn't a real hardware company, nor do they have any real ties to Hollywood...so what choice does Microsoft really have? 50GB+ disks for less than $1. What's good about avoiding that?
Uhm ya. I don't think that the number 1 selling console in the United States, that has done better now in it's 6th year than any other year before, and didn't even have an official price cut in 2011.... I'm not thinking they "desperately" need a new console.
Agree Ms don't need no new system anytime soon.
Yep. Why would they lose hundreds of millions in new hardware that won't be profitablke for a couple years, when their current console is making them so much money?
The reason that the 360 has sold so well in it's later years, is because they've successfully re-marketed it by using kinect (aka shifting focus) It's the same reason why the Wii sold so well, compared to PS3/360; it's because it was marketed to a non-gamer/casual demographic. In order for MS to keep the 360 alive, selling-well, and fully-supported for years into the next-generation, they had to re-market it as a multimedia and motion-control device. I'm hoping that this "shift in focus" signals that MS is getting to unveal their new gaming console.
Well said, there has been a trend going of developers now using the PS3 as the lead. This makes for better quality games all around. The 360 is however starting to show it's age and certain things that are capable on the PS3 can't be done as well on the 360 (I know the phantom disagrees are coming, but it's true). This is one of the reasons for the focus shift and it has obviously worked really well. The wii was way under powered compared to the other "HD" systems, but it sold crazy numbers and better. M$ realizes they don't have to do a damn thing but keep trending towards the casual crowd while throwing a bone to the "hardcore" every once in a while. It is going to be a game of chicken when it comes to the new consoles and it will be fun to watch.
lol right, IF the best selling console manufacturer at the moment "Desperately Need A New Console" can't even thing how desperate are the other two -_- at least Wii-U is coming this year :P But tbh, it's time to move on, we need new consoles! yay! :D
You didn't read the article, did you? It's talking about the issue from a developer POV! Right now, the console is starting to show its age in its components and physical medium. Games right now are exceeding what the 360 can offer, and the space needed on discs are increasing at a faster rate than you might think. MS is trying as hard as they can to not just admit that Sony was smart about building Blu-Ray into the PS3 and using BD discs for the games. Devs were complaining a year or so ago about the need for Microsoft to stop being so stubborn about Blu Ray. The sales of the 360 wasn't the focus of what the article was talking about. You went to the "sales" card a bit too quickly there, and prolly forgot to read the article.
Agreed. From a development point of view the creativity of the 360 is peaked for core games. If you want innovative indie titles it's still good (i.e., Limbo, Dungeon Defenders). But let's be honest, we all want to completely level cities in games like Battlefield 4 or walk into every building in a game like GTA VI and THAT is not going to happen on an Xbox 360. A lot of fanboys hate to think that their console is dated but gaming wise most of 2012 will be a retread of stuff we've already played. I'm ready and willing to embrace the future of gaming.
"Devs were complaining a year or so ago about the need for Microsoft to stop being so stubborn about Blu Ray." Its not being stubborn. If Microsoft made a blu-ray addon which some devs made games for the dev would be retarded because they would be alienating millions of customers who did not buy said addon from being able to play their game. Even if they made a 360 with built in blu-ray drive it would still alienate the millions who already own consoles. Microsoft is not "stubborn about Blu Ray." It was a dev decision from 2003-2004 to keep the price of the hardware down for the forseeable future and in my opinion it has worked out extremely well for Microsoft looking and sales numbers.
Maybe we gamers need a new console but Microsoft as a business certainly do not. They made 6.7 billion (revenue) with xbox 360 last year, more than any other console available. Xbox 360 is profitable so every console sold is money coming in. Plus xbox 360 covered its costs last year (yes, even RROD billion) and has become a source of profit! Yeah, they do not need a new console just yet.
cant believe people still say ps3 and 360 are similar or comparable
I haven't seen anything that the XBOX 360 absolutely couldn't do. Is the PS3 a little more powerful? Yes, I can go with that, but it's not by any great degree or leap, because everytime the PS3 has jumped forward, the XBOX 360 has been following pretty close by and hasn't been left behind yet. I'm a hardcore PS3 fan, but I'm just delivering what I've observed over the last 3 years.
probably in multiplats yes and no your not a ps3 fan
"I haven't seen anything that the XBOX 360 absolutely couldn't do." I can give you one game that the xbox PROBABLY can't do it, it's called THE LAST OF US, and yes they're in-game graphics naughy dog confirmed it! I know it's hard to believe it, but coming from them; I believe it. And please don't give me any jack about gears of war 3, 'cause we all know epic games had 3 years to set a new benchmark in graphics and they didn't do it. Those are the best graphics you will ever see on the xbox.
How AREN'T they comparable? The jump from consoles to PC is larger than the jump from 360 to PS3, but I bet many wouldn't believe that. Need to change discs? Must need a new console then... /s
Sorry to say, Ace but multiplats are the majority of game releases these days. With the exception of a few digital and big-budget exclusives both systems are on par. The only game that stands out on the PS3 compared to anything on the 360 is the Uncharted franchise...everything else boils down to gameplay preference. Now the differences between a PS3, Xbox 360 and PC are huge. Anyone saying those are comparable are just delusional.
yeah pc does a great job in graphics with those games aiming for photorealism now thats a pretty big difference, but i still have yet to see a pc game that makes people go "is that ingame" i still have yet to see a pc game that clothing gets wet and that you can walk in sand and snow and the sand and snow move, water also yeah any one saying they are comparable are delusional i guess
@GamingTruth What are you smoking? Clothes picking up stuff from the environment (sand, water, whatever) has NOTHING to do with how powerful a machine is, that is a gameplay/graphics DECISION by the game developer. That plays no role in this topic at all. And I could be wrong but I'm pretty sure one of the old Tomb Raider games actually did do the wet clothing. As far as the 'is that ingame' is concerned, are you trying to say that the PC is worse than the PS3? You contradict yourself by saying that the PC does look better, but then say it doesn't by that statement? Or are you trying to say that they are so good that people just assume that it is a CGI cutscene?
PC version of Just Cause 2 had wet clothing, and water sampling effects over clothing textures. Also, Project CARS for PC has a lot of people on YouTube who literally said "is that in-game or real-life?" Don't believe me? Check out the YouTube videos and see for yourself.
We don't need new console,(that would be great though, love new gadgets and toys) but i think they need more hardcore exclusive games!!!!!
MS is still going to use some sort of DVD based optical drive. BD drive is not an option for them. I wouldn't be surprised if they went all in on DD and only offer gold membership. Eliminating silver (useless anyways). There current business model is offering basic free gaming services and converting them into paid services (exmp:accessing netflix).
why they can't implement BD ? I believe they can and I'm like 100% sure they will.
Like many on this website who think Sony owns the rights to Blu-Ray. What they fail to understand is that Sony is only a member of the BDA (Blu-Ray Disc Association). http://en.wikipedia.org/wik... Microsoft can pay to license the technology any time they so choose.
1.7 million in north american sales december isn't a desperate need for a new console. Well not as desperately as that site needs hits anyhow.
Do you know how much money they spent on marketing and promotions over the holidays? I can tell you its a lot more than Nintendo and Sony. So the profits from those sales were negated with the money spent to get them.
please tell me, how much did they spend?
lmao they need a new console just becuase of the disc format? the same disc format which fits almost every game but a select few, prob less than 20 out of the hundreds of games....and yeah it may not be "as powerful" as the ps3 but for being a year older it holds up very well, esp considering most multi plats look and perform better on 360. this guy just seems like another flamer, neither the ps3 or the 360 needs another console for at least another year, triple a game , after triple a game proves my point there and this year looks to be no different. when the new hardware comes out, for once im sticking with the "old gen" until games get good enough to compare, my first year with my 360 or ps3 was pretty slim and pointless. show me the "next gen" games and other than graphics, prove to me from a gameplay perspective why we need a new console otherwise stop with these nonsense articles
"lmao they need a new console just becuase of the disc format? the same disc format which fits almost every game but a select few, prob less than 20 out of the hundreds of games....and yeah it may not be "as powerful" as the ps3 but for being a year older it holds up very well, esp considering most multi plats look and perform better on 360." 1. Devs are maxing out the hardware on the 360 right now. 2. The disc format DOESN'T fit "almost every game" because devs have to either use more than one disc or compress like hell to get it to fit on one. That alone negates your entire point.
1. yes have claimed every year to "max out" the 360 and yet each triple a game released looks better than the last.. 2. sorry dude but whether its compressed or not, it still fits. and despite being compressed the games still look just as good as ps3 so no that doesnt negate my point. im not saying not to upgrade the disc format when the next gen hits but its not necessary right now, ive only played about 5 games that needed to come on multiple disc.
I understand your point, however, I must respectfully disagree. Content compression on the 360 is starting to affect PS3 and PC gamers (i.e., the low texture sources for RAGE were already pre-compressed and scaled for the 360 even though the game was still on multiple discs). It's also starting to affect development times...companies claiming they're putting "extra polish" (and who hasn't heard this alot during the last two years?) are actually "optimizing" the game for the 360/PS3 (more for th 360 than the PS3). Realistically they're compressing, removing and scaling down content to fit. How Rockstar managed to shave GTA IV from 16gig down to 7gig on a DVD9 disc is extremely impressive but I think I would have preferred they spent that time optimizing the game to have more content and playability as opposed to them spending that time removing and compressing content.
if you can cite your sources and actually prove that when a company claiming extra polish is actually compressing, removing, and scaling down content to fit, then i will happily admit im in the wrong. however without a concrete source this is nothing but pure speculation on your end. compression isnt exactly a difficult or very time consuming task if you have ever done any yourself, it would not add any signifanct amount of time to the developement process. and to be honest there are few games out there right now with enough content to even fill a disc to begin with, skyrim is massive and they managed to get it on 1 cd and come in at aroound 5 gigs i beleive. and lastly their not removing content becuase it wont fit sir, there removing it so they can sell it as dlc later. either way it still isnt really an issue that warrants a new system. space issues on the disc are something that effects the devs far more than it effects the gamers, just becuase my grass is a slightly lower res due to compression is not going to have a significant impact on my game, if at all. the games fit, and when they cant fit they put them on multiple discs.. its really that simple. im not so lazy that i cant get up and swap a disc when/if the time needs. give me a new console when the technology to add revolutionary new features to the console is available and the devs are ready and prepared to make signifancant advances in gameplay, not simply becuase you need more space so you dont have to compress some assets.
I woud love to see a new xbox but i dont see them doing one for another 12 to 18 months as the 360 is selling very well. And the new dash and kinect update has given the 360 new life. Gaes are now coming quick and fast from 3rd party developers which means they can make some money back from a bad gen for some and ms keep giving its fans the exclusive games they want yes not as many as ps3 but look at the difference in sales numbers. I dont think ms or sony need a new console just yeat as they are both doing well at the moment.
both Sony and MS desperately need new consoles, why do any of you here care about sales, i dont own stock in either company, the ps2 was selling GREAT when the ps3 came out, it's sales were actually the best ever the year the ps3 came out and it's second best year was 2007. but really, who gives a rats a$$ what matters to me is the games look 7 years old (because they are) they are sub-hd, same engines over and over, uncharted 3 actually looked WORSE than uncharted 2, anyone who is unbiased would tell you that. even worse than the sub hd and jaggies, the games are now begining to run terribly (skyrim., dark souls, batman ac, parts of assassins creed rev, dead island was also awful with the framerate), everytime you swung your weapon it dropped into the teens. the games are approaching unplayable (skyrim ps3), many of you are used to it, because you do not also game on pc, if you played games on pc, you would notice the staggering inefficiencies in ps3/360. let me tell you from a neutral standpoint, owning all consoles and a pc, WE NEED NEW CONSOLES HORRIBLY!!
360 just needs a new disc drive badly, be it be Bluray or something else. Something better then DVD, I like how people bring up PC keeps using DVD. Yes, because it is PC and 360 isn't a PC (Something most people don't seem to get).
I can hold out a few more years until the new xbox and PlayStation. If they get announced either this year or next, I won't be buying either until they release the slim versions. I'll make the most out of the 7th gen while it last. By the time the 720 and PS4 comes out, I'll slow down on gaming, I'll be at the point of my life where I got to put down the controller and work towards my future so I am going to wait next gen out. As for the Wii U, my brother's buying on day one so I'll play his, I am dying for Pikmin 3 and I don't want to miss out on that, future success or not.
MS needs a new console to rack in even more sales.
the reason the 360 is selling soo much is that people with the old p.o.s ones are switching up and getting the new xbox360 s. people who want wifi in the console, people who console died from heat, new comers, microsoft will most likely sell a new 360 to all the people who mabe already had one and love it just because the new box is more sexy more reliable and has more features. when the ps3 sli was launched yes some people upgraded but all two of the systems was still the exact same thing out of the box. WE DO NOT NEED NEW CONSOLES YET, holiday 2013 or early 2014
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