Sony has responded to the latest NPD report.
Why are they hiding the NPD sales numbers again? What are they afraid of? They just go right to their worldwide shipment numbers. This is hardly responding to the NPD.
Because WW numbers and infinitely more important than US numbers. My thoughts, anyway.
And here you are in a thread about US numbers...
That may be true but the topic is about NPD numbers and they as far I know don't track worldwide numbers. Sony doesn't want to divulge actual numbers any more now that they don't have to.
Yeah, I agree. It doesn't matter where you sell the consoles. It simply matters that they're selling. And, in Sony's case, that they're probably going to overtake the competition pretty soon. No company cares WHERE they sell their product, just that it sells. Didn't they report that they sold 3.9 Million worldwide between November and December 2011? That's pretty impressive if you ask me. I could care less where they sold them at. I really could care less about sales period. All I care about are GAMES and Sony has no problem giving me those, so I'm happy regardless. ----------------------------- ----------------------- @IHateYouFanboys (below) Are you deliberately trying to get flagged for Trolling? lol You're trying to start a flamewar for no reason. Just stop while you're ahead, man. And I'm pretty sure if you accounted for all the RRoD consoles, that "lead" you're talking about would be non-existent, but since there's no real way to track that, I'll let you continue living in fantasy land, a beautiful place with Xbox Rainbows and unicorns, a place where RRoD doesn't exist. lmao
ww numbers may be more important than US numbers but let that be spoken in a "WW" numbers article. At least MS was relevant to the topic at hand of NPD sales. Sony .... not so much and that is what makes people like Yoda (up there) question it. All in all it was an excellent year in gaming sales.
They show the numbers when are good, so do the math :P
what is this nonsense about "this is a npd thread so we dont want to hear about WW" MS share npd numbers because its their best region, simple, you wont ever hear them boast about japan numbers, the same cant be said for sony but as always, WW looks great im guessing
silva, Did Sony answer a direct question. No? Should they have? Yes. That said, some people prefer to only know part of the truth... the convenient part that suits their agenda. Also Yoda asked a question and he was provided an answer. In this big wide world there are some people just can't handle the answer...or the truth. We have already seen the same show on the other foot. People were posting on this board stating that they only care about what happens in their territory because that is all that affects the!??? They will fly the truth out the window and then board up the house. I can only imagine their reaction when mid April arrives.
So basically i see this kind of response from sony like how in a political debate when a question is asked and there is no direct answer, the candidates find that opportunity to discuss something else. Here is an example: Question: "candidate, in what ways would you change healthcare to benefit the public? Answer: "healthcare is a very important to me and I assure that this campaign would devote time to fulfilling the needs of the public. But i want to talk about gun control and how we need to be more assertive in keeping the streets safe......" That was just something I thought up for this post but you can see how there was no direct answer to the topic at hand and that it was changed to suit the person answering. Another good example of not really staying on topic is... Has anyone seen the movie bill and ted excellent adventure? I know that may be silly to ask but Im sure there are some who didnt. Anyways, the scene in particular is when the jock was up at the podium and supposed to be giving his report on historical figures and their view of san dimas. He was rambling and was clearly out of relevant information. So what does he do? He screams out "San dimas high school football team rules" and that gets the crowd all whooping and hollering. It also made the teacher facepalm and shake his head in disbelief. Basically going from the topic to something else to rally the crowd and get him through that scene. In essence, Sony has done something similar. Rather than really responding to "NPD" numbers they side tracked that topic and changed it to reflect on their overall numbers. Overall is the more important but that should be relevant to the report for "overall". I just find it humorous. MS is not saint either so dont go thinking they are innocent in the matter but they at least were on topic. So if its ok for sony to make a general statement how the NPD numbers contributed to the overall total. It should be ok for MS to do the same with stating how their numbers in the US are when responding to tally's from other regions. Sony: The NPD numbers were good but our numbers overall were even better. MS: the (insert region) numbers were good but our numbers in the US are the best we've had. See how it works?
So what are Sonys worldwide numbers to Dec 31 2011? Its just stupid if we have to wait till the end of March for the numbers. I want to know. Have Microsoft increased their sales lead or has Sony closed it. Who the hells in 2nd place now? Grrrrr
MS has further pulled away judging by the numbers given from both Sony and MS. Consider: * MS sold roughly 10 million consoles in Oct-Dec Worldwide * Sony sold roughly 4 million consoles in Nov-Dec Worlwide Nov-Dec is the hottest selling season of the year, so there is almost no way Sony can catch up in October unless Sony. The gap is 5-6 million consoles. Earlier in the year, MS pulled ahead, then Sony matched it, which I'm guessing evens out. No need to be mad, Sony is doing fine!
@CES Ballmer said that x360 was the best selling console WW, just saying...
Sony's fiscal year is not over yet. They'll announce after q1 this year.
In order for Microsoft to have sold 10 million 360s WW with the US NPD numbers currently being 3.9 million sold for Oct-Nove-Dec, wouldn't the 360 have to of sold 6.1 million in Europe as well as other countries together in those same months? Weird thing about this is that the Ps3 was leading the 360 in Europe that year as of October by 1 million (UK is the only territory that the 360 leads in and that usually only by 20 thousand for the month). If the Ps3 ends up still leading in Europe..... Source: http://www.eurogamer.net/ar... Edit: On top of that, hardware sales were down compare to 2010 for the 360.
ummm can someone tell me what ps3 got last year? if they up year over year that means they done good in the us
@yoda cracker sony mainly responds worldwide sales and i personally think its better this way since you get the entire total of units sold, and its easier to do it all in one trip instead of counting sales from different country's. oh and congrats sony. @i hate you fanboys dude, all companys have been doing tremendous and thats all that matters, i really do not care who outsells who worldwide because both are firmly set into there respected places in the gaming community. but since you had mentioned it, i must get this out that the ps3 has been outselling the 360 worldwide for years now, but honestly as a gamer when i turn on my ps3 i should not care much about things like that as long as they have met there goals.
that there are the 3 main markets: US, Euro and JP I cant imagine how hard it is to add those together. In fact, its these companies that gather the information that does the math. If there is something amiss then Im sure MS or Sony or Nintendo will want a recount but for the most part they just wait for the results.
NPD is a U.S. only number. On top of that, it doesn't cover online sales numbers and sales at a good number of brick and mortar retailers, so it's very much an incomplete picture of overall sales in the U.S. Sony is also very much a Japanese company that takes worldwide sales into higher regard than U.S. only, which Microsoft, a U.S. company, is happy to parade out since it's where they sell the most consoles.
Must have been a pretty dismal December NPD for Sony, it wasn't great for MS. GAF will figure out the numbers.
They sold 3.9 million between November and December. Dismal? Really?
He wanted to use a word he just learned... "Dismal"
Apparently the PS3 sold around 936,000, it got outsold by the dying and sputtering Wii.
were those numbers on your toilet paper? What was Microsofts Japanese numbers?
I had to laugh at the "dying and sputtering Wii". Too funny. I also wonder if sony's sales # have anything to do with the Vita on approach. I know I'm picking what I'm buying now very carefully so I can pay for the vita.
Why do people care about these numbers, seriously?
It's now just a point of interest for many. Aside from the fanboys who act like cheerleaders it doesn't really matter any more. Each system now has its install base and have lots of game support. The Playstation 2 used to get all the games from 3rd party publishers, that is no longer the case and from here on out will continue that trend. Sony has the strongest support from its own studios and that is great for Playstation 3 owners. So the numbers now don't mean much but you still want the system to do well if you want it to continue to get game support. Wii owners will start feeling the pinch as publishers stop supporting it now and shift focus to the Wii U, but as a Playstation 3 and XBOX 360 owner the game support is as strong as ever.
Corporate fanaticism mostly. Somehow these corporations have become the football teams of console gamers. It's kind of creepy, but it's kind of a sign of the times.
Numbers are easy to compare. Just like penises.
@LevelHead Yeah I thought mostly fanboys cared but if it's for statistical matters then ok I guess it's ok to somewhat care. @Krankn3Dfx (^^same as above^^) and it sucks consoles have turned into teams, as you say, and that people blindly follow around even when they aren't doing what's right. @PixL That's funny. Thanks for making me crack up. P.S. Bubs to all. Thanks.
You are all on N4G. Now go get your ticket number and have a seat.
Why does Rotten Tomatoes show weekly box office numbers? Curiosity.
It's apples and oranges. Do the movie studios comment on each month's ticket sales and attendance figures? I've yet to see film studio fanboys cheerleading for the box office receipts of a particular studio. The 'omg! Paramount completely pwned Lionsgate last month. Lionsgate = FAILZ!!! lololol' posts or '<Movie Title> bombed in its second week of wide release. WB to exit movie business?' types of articles may exist on film fan boards, but I haven't seen them.
When have Sony ever produced numbers. There is no conspiracy here.
i was wondering when someone was going to mention that Sony has NEVER provided monthly numbers. They have commented on NPD numbers previously when they were published, but that was only because they had to. the only thing going on is Sony not giving a rats ass that some no name blogger is calling them out for not revealing the "real" reason behind them not sharing numbers. something they've done since the PS1 days.
NPD used to supply the monthly US sales numbers, Sony, MS or Nintendo didn't. NPD still does supply the numbers to its paying customers (investors, analysts etc), they just don't give them out for free to the public anymore.
I believe that NPD stopped reporting the figures on the individual manufacturers externally, so it was up to the MS etc if they wanted to release them publicly. Ninty and MS decided they would comment, but Sony decided not to bother. What do they care about commenting globally on US only figures that are not 100% accurate (for example a lot of smaller or independent stores are not captured by NPD figures). For anyone who can do math, there's no conspiracy about Sony 'hiding' the numbers... NPD gives total sold for period, and MS and Ninty release their figures... Not hard to work out the Sony numbers for those who care so deeply. Sony will have targets it sets itself for shipping every month - and they will know those figures long before NPD. Seems Sony only talk about figures when they post their yearly accounts, which makes sense.
NPD started reporting US data early this gen but have stated it was only meant to be a temporary thing while this gen started off. They stopped reporting these figures publicly and people complained, so they said "Ok, we'll keep going to this date. That's it." And they kept their word. Their data is for paying customers. It's something that they've given their market data away for free for so long. What other marketing company does that? And why would Sony report those numbers? It's a third party marketing firm's research in one territory. Again, in general, what company releases third party marketing data for them? They have their own data, they don't need to act as a mouthpiece for some other company. As for the actual data, we see this play out over and over when NPD data comes out. People rush to the net, declaring that it's all over, that Sony's dead and took another beating...and ever year the PS3 outsells the 360 worldwide. The PS3 came out on top in 2007, tied 2008 and handily beat the 360 2009, 2010. So far in 2011 they were ahead by over a million going into the holiday season. What I don't understand is why anyone would think that Microsoft had suddenly reversed this trend. They couldn't beat the PS3 last holiday season with a Halo game, the new slim hardware and Kinect selling like crazy. Why would people honestly think that somehow they'd beat the PS3 worldwide this year with no price drop, the buzz having dropped off regarding Kinect and fewer exclusive titles when the PS3 had a better lineup and dropped their prices? Does anyone honestly believe the 360 finally beat the PS3 worldwide in 2011? They've been 3rd going head to head since they had competition. Why on earth would this have suddenly changed overnight? I guess we'll find out soon enough. Jan 19th for Microsoft, Feb 2 for Sony. For those who keep an eye on the business side of the industry.
@darkride66 We had a similar discussion two months ago, when you finally concluded to agree with me Sony sold 250k units in October despite their recent price cut at the time. Doesn't that indicate a slowing demand? A reversal of trends already back then? In fact, the PS3 has mirrored the Wii sales for the past 3 months straight. ***Why would people honestly think that somehow they'd beat the PS3 worldwide this year with no price drop, the buzz having dropped off regarding Kinect and fewer exclusive titles when the PS3 had a better lineup and dropped their prices?*** That is the thing, casuals aren't early adopters. They don't buy on "industry buzz", but by referral from friends and personal experience. They also tend to buy during the holidays. Why do you think Nintendo cut their marketing spending to zilch during their popularity? MS and Nintendo swapped spots and there is no co-incidence that Nintendo's decline seems to occur around Kinect's release. Price cut is discussed above, but those fancy exclusive titles Sony is pushing targets the core market, the market that is tapped long ago. If you are a core gamer and haven't bought a PS3 or Xbox 360 by now, I wouldn't consider you core. So, what else is Sony providing for their growth? ***Does anyone honestly believe the 360 finally beat the PS3 worldwide in 2011? They've been 3rd going head to head since they had competition. Why on earth would this have suddenly changed overnight?*** I would be surprised, since Japan has been the equalizer in all of this for Sony, but due to their release of the PS Vita, I don't expect amazing PS3 numbers for Sony there. I believe the gap just widened again... That said, both you and I know MS (and any publicly traded company) by law cannot lie about their sales numbers. So the question is, what do you think Sony somehow will pull out 6 million sold worldwide for October (and parts of November) during the slower holiday season sales wise of the year for WW? Sony moved 3.9 million in the hottest time of the year WW... and almost 2 million of that is in the US.
"Doesn't that indicate a slowing demand? A reversal of trends already back then? " gamindroid, always in denial state of mind... ps3 sold better every year than xbox, there is no gap anymore, and it's just logic (better hardware, more and better games, bluray)..oh excuse me, no, it's not logic, without propaganda and biased medias (us for the most part), ps3 should have destroyed xbox since 2008.
Well, this topic is only heading one way. As usual. @Level, yeah. Sadly, you won't get much reasonable discussions about it here.
Looks like Sony had a solid holiday. Hard to tell what did what given the way they reported things.. but I imagine PS3 was leading the charge for them. I mean PSP and PSP Vita are pretty much only selling in Japan at this point so while they gave combined numbers its hard not to think that most of that was PS3.
Woke up from my one month hibernation since last NPD for more SONY NPD PR Spin. The last official numbers given by SOny was it sold 3.8 million copies of Uncharted 3 in one day and here we are on another segment of NPD and UC3 is nowhere to be found on the list.
Why does it worry you so much?
LOL Go back to your cave troll. Sony said 3.9 worldwide not just in the US. Of course, you have much to learn in subtle trolling child.
@SDF People usually believe that Sony didn't do well every year until the numbers come out. I doubt this year will be any different. MS did pretty well, that much is obvious. Why is it, after all this time, so hard for some people to believe that Sony did well too. I thought that people that liked to play the numbers game would be pretty good at it by now.
At the very top of the article: "Sony has issued their monthly statement regarding the latest NPD data. As usual, the company didn’t share any official hardware numbers. We’ll likely get those later." YodaCracker: "Why are they hiding the NPD sales numbers again? What are they afraid of?" sikbeta: "They show the numbers when are good, so do the math :P" IHateYouFanboys: "Sony fail to mention numbers, meaning sony came last out of themselves, Nintendo and Microsoft." Dlacy13g: "Hard to tell what did what given the way they reported things.." SDF Repellent: "Woke up from my one month hibernation since last NPD for more SONY NPD PR Spin." Interesting. All these people READ the article and yet ignore the article at the same time. Sony did fine; just because they chose not to divulge numbers at this time doesn't change that.
Pretty selective quote you pulled from me. If you read my whole comment you can see I was saying you could assume the PS3 sold well.
Wow, bubbles. You just blew this whole thread up. Well done.
Whats funny to me is the fact that sony has ALWAYS withheld console numbers until they issue their official reports, usually at the end of the fiscal year which is february. Yet everyone on here is throwing out all kinds of conspiracy theories.. All I know is that sony outsold the 360 for a majority of the year and now all of a sudden microsoft has a big holiday season and they own the world again.. SO sick of this back and forth nonsense...
"sony has ALWAYS withheld console numbers until they issue their official reports, usually at the end of the fiscal year" + "All I know is that sony outsold the 360 for a majority of the year" You just contradicted yourself. Grats youve been diagnosed as a fanboy. Seek help.
Contradicted? I think you need the definition mate. Contradiction: A combination of statements, ideas, or features of a situation that are opposed to one another.
@hellavaguy Pleas inform me how I contradicted myself?? You dont have to know official numbers to know which one has been selling more. Every tracking site on the planet has had sony ahead by miles so why dont you try to lay off the condemnation juice for a while??
Re you guys studying economics or are shareholders? Why o why are ppl so concerned with which machine sells more and where? I don't understand this. If the state of Kentucky sells more 360s than SONY devices does that somehow make the SONY device worse in Kentucky? Does the game suffer because more guys purchased a different machine? Someone please explain this to me.
The simple logic (Which doesn't apply as much this late in the gen) is that it does help you understand where the market is going to head/back. Traditionally, the best selling console gets the bulk of major releases, and a good selling game usually means you'll get a sequel. So its important if you want a health console with a steady stream of games, but that isn't always the case as the Wii is proving this gen.
I know its the truth but its really is only used on this site to make the person who gets all up in arms about this stuff feel better about themselves and there weird addiction to plastic and metal.
examiner.com has ps3 at 936,000
Not a shock PS3 keeps doing good ww and 360 only does good in US. But if you ask Microsoft how good they did, they aren't going to say they did bad (That would be dumb thing to say, even if it is true).
Crunching the numbers using data from VGchartz/MediaCreate (assuming VGChartz accurate), in the EU/JP Sony outsold Microsoft by 620k. So take the 620k and add it to the ~939k, Microsoft is still abot 150k ahead. But remember, there isn't anyone tracking number from places like Saudi Arabia/Africa/South America/ China. Take the facts and draw your own conclusion. We won't know until Sony releases there Q1 numbers. EdiT: According to VGChartz, in the US, Microsoft sold around 2.5 million for December. That's a 800k difference from NPD. While ps3 number are one about 100k difference from what NPD reported.
Those countries you mentioned are included in EU data. But if we talk VGChartz, we can move on to tips for grazing unicorns as well...
M$ said that at the end of 2011 they had sold 66 Million 360's world wide. Anyone know Sony's WW figures?
Sony's fiscal report will be in March, the Japanese consider the 1st qtr of the year as the 4th qtr of their business year. (I forgot why) So we'll have to wait till then.
Im getting so sick of these sales arguments. The fact is before the 360 came along Sony were considerd king of consoles and Xbox had far few consoles in the world. Years later, Xbox has gone from virtualy no market share in comparsion to sony to round about equal. As important as sales are to MS i honestly believe they are in a far stronger position then they thought they would be in and im suprised that Sony hasnt taken over WW Units long ago, albeit with the head start. The fact they have now gained a huge share of the market, MS have already achieved what they wanted to do and that was get there foot in the door, the next gen will be here soon (sooner then we think) in my opinion and it will be interesting to see how things fair out when MS are on a more level playing field as opposed to playing catch up.
Congrats to Sony for a good year.
I enjoy reading the sales figures, I really want Sony to release WW figures so I compare them to the 360's 66 million. As it stands, it really is impossible to get an accurate picture of which console is truly leading and by how much - what with US numbers, Europe, japan... different sites, estimates, shipped, sold, lost... Its too hard to truly track!
Why does everyone act like NPD is great THEY DO NOT have accurate numbers and this is fact! NPD does not collect data from all of the major retailors like Target and Toy's R Us and these are two of the largest retailers in America! Only individuals who are too lazy to research stuff themselves rely on NPD...and that is why tbey believe whatever they are told. There is a word for that but I'll let you guys figure that out.
I just do not understand how the 360 keeps selling so well! They have absolutely no exclusives coming this year.. While Sony is churning out several high end exclusives a year. Is it just overweight soccer moms buying the Kinect? Is it just casuals tired of the wii fad so they buy the kinect? It can't be because of Gears 3 because let's face it, if you didn't have a 360 already because of the Gears franchise, why would you buy it now? The PS3 is just $50.00 more than the 360. Someone please explain the madness. Outside of that Halo reboot coming this year, what in the blue hell does the 360 have going for it this year? Hell I'll even take it a step further, what the hell does the Kinect have going for it this year? I don't even think any high end Kinect games are coming out this year. The fact that Microsoft had absolutely nothing announced at CES and is even dropping out of CES all together speaks volumes! Seriously, what does 360 have going for it this year? Anyone?