Submitted by Condrarian 1363d ago | opinion piece

Killzone On PSN Is Bad News For Killzone Fans

While the possibility of bringing Killzone back to a larger audience is certainly heartwarming, doing so under the “PS2 Classics” label is a self-defeating initiative. Killzone, brilliant as it was, cannot be re-released with the same code it was made of seven-and-a-half years ago. It needs an HD remake, arguably moreso than any other PS2 game that has thus-far received such treatment. (Killzone, PS2, PS3)

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dark-hollow  +   1363d ago
I don't know what's so brilliant about killzone 1
Killzone 2 marked the franchise fame and truly was epic.
Killzone1? Mediocre sauce.
KeybladeMaster  +   1363d ago
Really? I thought it was kinda fun when I played it back in 2005. Empty and bad AI but still a fun game.
MAJ0R  +   1363d ago
yeah in 2005 but the game is dated now, just accept it and move on. Killzone is no classic.
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KeybladeMaster  +   1363d ago
The other thing I remember is that it actually had a pretty good story. I would argue it had the best story out of all 3. Hakka was a really cool character that I really liked. He's up there with Radec as one of the best characters from the Killzone series.
bozebo  +   1363d ago
It was a decent shooter to fill the gaps, and the multiplayer was fun for like 10 minutes.

I am of the opinion that KZ1 was a lot better than 2, the guns just felt a lot better; which is generally the thing that makes an FPS good.

The only recent FPSs to have decent feeling guns are CoD (all of them), BF3 and Killing Floor. Other FPSs seem to be programmed on a work-to-rule by outsourced software developers rather than actual game programmers >_<
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darthv72  +   1363d ago
i would like to play through it but not in its current state. I've tried on the PS2 and the framerate actually makes me a bit queasy. So there the game sits at chapter two (or whatever the 2nd area would be called). That was 5 years ago I bought it. Then when i got the PS3 I thought playing it through a PS3 would improve things but sadly it did not.

The current trend of taking what was old, giving it a new coat of HD-ish paint and re-releasing it just makes more sense with this game. There are lots of benefits to doing that, especially in the graphical/gameplay departments.

It's not "bad" news its getting a release on PSN. Just disappointing it isnt getting the treatment other games like GoW and SotC got.
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LightofDarkness  +   1363d ago
It was a pretty "standard" game at the time, mired by frame drops and low FOV. Also, "chest-high walls" syndrome. You were guided along by indestructible, insurmountable hedgerows, which only drew emphasis to the lack of a jump button.

We completed for a laugh when it came out, but it wasn't anything special or memorable. The most memorable things were 1. Rico sucks, and 2. Hedgerows.
sikbeta  +   1363d ago
KZ2 is the Peak of this franchise, no one can deny that, I'm sure even the Multiplayer in KZ2 has more people playing it than KZ3 lol
morganfell  +   1363d ago
One word...Hakha. Sean Pertwee's v/o work is spot on. Also Killzone had more of the bombed out WWII feeling than the later 3 titles.

Between that and Shadow Marshal Luger, both more interesting characters than Rico, the game still stands out for me and I for one am glad it is being issued for the PS3. Although I have the game and a 60GB PS3, I am still looking forward to this. If you want to use age to dislike the game then prepare to drop every title that came out before 2005 into the same bin. FInd a different reason. I am sure you can do it if you put your mind to it.
Nodoze  +   1363d ago
TOTALLY agree about the gun feel for Killzone 1. They felt powerful and were just plain fun to shoot. The guns on KZ2 were sub par at best. They sounded weak, didn't have the fire and flash when being fired like the guns in KZ1, and were a chore at times (the revolver pistol is a snore fest).

Also agree that it BY FAR had the best story.

I really wish Sony would lend Guerilla some assistance with putting together a narrative. They have done well with graphics and engines, but need help with narrative.
raztad  +   1363d ago

I actually think is Sony screwing KZ universe narrative. KZ1 was a third party project and like you said, it has by far the best storytelling and character development out of them three.

It is easy to see Sony trying to push another bald marine dudebro story, B quality action summer Hollywood bluckbuster, and miserably failing at it. KZ has so much potential, but if something dissapointed me about KZ3 was the story. Everything else was superb.
EVILDEAD360  +   1362d ago
I said this when the article announcing the title came out.

Kilzone definately shouldve been a shoe-in for an HD makeover.

It's suprising given how big the brand is. But maybe Sony didn't feel it was worth it at this point.

Still woulve been cool..

Can I get an HD remake of 'Black' then?

EeJLP-  +   1362d ago
Killzone needs a full remake, not an HD remaster.

The repetitive enemy death screams are annoying, some parts are very repetitive, feels like you're doing the same part 3-5 times in a row. AI not that good, etc. HD's not going to do much for it. Needs a full remake with the Killzone 2+ or PS4 engine.
potenquatro  +   1362d ago
If I may randomlly put my 3 cents here..

cent1: it's never bad news to have more games
cent2: KZ1 was kinda bad
cent3: @bozebo- if u think COD and KZ3 has good guns and hit detection, may I suggest u consider RB6 Vegas1, Vegas2, any source game, fear...
Sizzon  +   1363d ago
Playing split/screen with a friend against bots was fun tho :D
RedDead  +   1363d ago
Yeah this was great, i'd call the game average. It's definitely not shi* from what I remember. Worth playing....back then at least

Holy crap, Nov 2004 was when this was released? I can see why it gets called crap then, COD2 released less than a year after this...so in comparison...there were alot of great FPS out. Halo 2 was out and all..jesus I suppose, Killzone had to contest with Halo 2, they were released in the same week, and Battlefield 2 for PC a few months later?? Jesus...it stood no chance

I must say though, that beach with trenches, and bots was really good. That was a great map

Edit---here it is haha http://www.youtube.com/watc...
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christheredhead  +   1363d ago
You pretty much summed it up. I would go over to my friends house everyday after school just to play some split screen bot multiplayer. Good times.
Blaine  +   1362d ago

Don't you remember? Killzone 1 was the "Halo Killer"! Was supposed to be anyways... Didn't turn out quite that way.

From what I remember, the gameplay was bad, but the story was good.
JoGam  +   1363d ago
KZ1 being on PSN is NOT bad news for anyone. I don't care how bad the game sucked. Its called "OPTIONS". KZ1 on PSN give everyone an option to buy and enjoy if its what they want to do. If you didnt like it in the past, dont buy it. No need create bad press for it.
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Condrarian  +   1363d ago
That's the thing though, I did like it, but it's technical flaws have dated the game to such a degree that this re-release won't improve on that or satisfy new fans who came in by playing 2 and 3.
frelyler  +   1363d ago
@aesirknight, but do the people who are going to download and play this game really going to expect it to look like current gen games? I think you are looking at this wrong. I did play KZ1 on PS and while the graphics were quite good for the time, the game was bad. However, I would not expect much of a game that is now 7 years old. I think its more so people can experience the first game, but to expect HD graphics come on man. It is what it is.
cpayne93  +   1363d ago
@frelyler Don't you think it would have been better if they had given the game an hd remake? They could improve controls and the technical glitches. What I really wanted was something like what they did with Halo CE. I'll still buy this though, because I've never played it and I love the previous two Killzone games.

Edit: Is it possible that they could fix some of the bugs in this game even though they are releasing it as a ps2 classic?
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C_Menz  +   1363d ago
How is it bad? Probably in the top 10 of my most played PS2 games. Loved the story mode(it had a lot more depth than the other two games) and I spent a ton of hours in the bot mode with my friends.
Condrarian  +   1363d ago
@frelyler HD remakes don't change the way the game looks, they just update the textures, aliasing, and framerate so that the games don't look blurry and dated on HDTVs, that's all I want, and all I think a re-release needs.

@C-Menz It's in my top 10 PS2 games as well, but solely for the plot and characters. It had a lot of technical hiccups that buried it against the competition, and I think that by not taking the time to update it, (as they did the Team Ico games, God of War, Sly Cooper, etc.) Sony is shooting themselves in the foot.
Maddens Raiders  +   1363d ago
(...........) -
From the article: "It’s a massive, massive missed opportunity, and a poor complement to this fan of the original, who has been disappointed by its follow-ups a great deal."

When I first read in a prior article that the game was coming back with no HD remake and no trophy support I couldn't believe it. This is akin to bringing back God of Wars from the PS2 and not remaking them nor adding trophies. WTF Sony. KILLZONE is a cult classic and remains one of the most recognizable SNE ip's out there. This was/is a bad, bad move and a slap in the face to the hardcore fans like me and millions of others.
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@dark-hollow - If you don't know "what's so brilliant" about KZ you never will. Honestly, just judging by your statement, "KZ2 marked the franchise fame.." it sounds like you never even played it. The reason why KZ2 was created was b/c of the cult like following and dedication players had in 2004 whilst playing KZ1. That's why I disagreed w/ you.

@bozebo - so....you're winning dumbest comment of the thread so far, congratulations. "...and the mp was fun for like 10 minutes".. lol people played KILLZONE incessantly and the rooms were always robust. THE BEACH, THE PARK, ORBITAL STATION, DELTA CREEEK, SOUTHERN HILLS, VEKTAN SLUMS, etc... the mp was fantastic.

Ppl that have never played KZ and have only "heard" about it or read a "review" on it need to stop posting BS pulled out of their arses b/c it really shows.

KILLZONE deserves much more than what is presently on offer from SNE.
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Azfargh  +   1363d ago
Mediocre sauce with melee attack sistems ahead of his time, 4 ways to play the single player campaigns, splitscreen on multiplayer and originated the Kz universe.

Watch it, boy. This is no mediocre sauce... Kz3 is.
FinaLXiii  +   1363d ago
Killzone 2 is just good graphics and sluggish obesse gameplay with crappy storyline (garza dies + templar dies + kill bad guy = kz2 storyline).

The multiplayer was decent if you actually love to camp near the objectives for 20 mins.
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trenso1  +   1363d ago
i guess you would rather be able to sprint 3 times than the normal human(COD) or sprint forever(BF3)? the story was great and even though it had little character depth more than either BF3 or Mw3, it was better story MW3 and BF3 IMO. i love playing BF3 and im only using it as example.
Megaton  +   1363d ago
To be brutally honest, the series wasn't worth playing until Killzone 2. I owned KZ1 and stopped around the 3rd or 4th stage. The intro was pretty good, especially for its time, but it was a sharp decline after that.
n4gisatroll  +   1363d ago
Dude, you missed out. It gets much better.
andron666  +   1363d ago
I never understood the flack KZ got. Probably because media hyped it as a Halo killer, something that it it never was supposed to be.

I enjoyed KZ and played it a lot when it came out, it's a solid shooter and pretty ambitious for a PS2 game. At the same time I'm not sure a HD remake is the best idea. They should concentrate on making new games instead.

Although it could turn out great if they did a little fine tuning...
StraightPath  +   1363d ago
Killzone a classic? lol there is plenty of other PS2 games that would be a suitable candidate for HD treatment or rerelease. This everyone knows was medicore sauce lol so funny how fanboys trying to play this POS up from the gaming hell of worst games ever.
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showtimefolks  +   1363d ago
Killzone 2 had the best MP out of all KZ games
and in my humble opinion KZ3 had a more fun story
Kalowest  +   1363d ago
The story for the whole series is retarded.
n4gisatroll  +   1363d ago
I enjoyed killzone 1 a lot. Being able to play many of the missions from 4 different routes or characters was awesome. I prefer the online over the newer ones as well. I'm not afraid to say the ps2 had a hood online service, even though it was lacking especially compared to other services.
NarooN  +   1362d ago
Did you play it? It was a way of life game for me, the multiplayer was amazing. The only real problem with the game was the inconsistent framerate. I was hoping for an HD remaster, which could have the game at 60fps or at least 30fps at all times, but I guess not.
BakedGoods  +   1363d ago
I kind of agree. KZ2&3 are some of the best games I've played, but I own the original Killzone, and it's a steaming POS.

We may find new fans of the franchise jump on KZ1 only to be taken back by how awful it is (AI, glitches, lack of fun). Hopefully it won't tarnish the franchise.
Ravenor  +   1363d ago
Whats best about Killzone 1 is the Level of Detail shifts on character models. Seeing how much detail got stripped as they run away or run towards you was always funny.
TheKindRoost  +   1363d ago
Yes it was plagued by screen tears, glitches and bad ai but "lack of fun"? doesn't sound like we played the same game. It had one of the most solid and best Campaign in any shooters last gen hell, shooters this gen campaign wise don't come close.
Azfargh  +   1363d ago
The characters developed very well with the players (which made actually the player care about them), 4 ways to play the story mode (some of them leading to extra story details or different scenarios), somehow, the game felt much more immersive than Killzone 2 and 3. Ah yes, the melee attacks was better than KZ3 (specially with Luggers Knife).

Calling Kz3 "some of the best games I´ve played" seems suspicious for average taste. Kz2 is indeed far much more superior (graphically on motion blur and AA effects... it looked like a CG and with more unique identity with the mono color pallet) rather than the identity-crisis-uncharted Kz3.
BakedGoods  +   1363d ago
Uh huh. Interesting experience with KZ1. I can't relate, but it's good to hear some enjoyed it.

Regarding your KZ2/3 comment, I totally agree, so I'm afraid you wasted your effort.

KZ2 is most definitely better than KZ3. Even more so, KZ3 was one of the weaker titles released this year. I lumped them together simply to highlight the fact that I enjoyed the latter KZ titles immensely. I failed to anticipate someone would emphasize that portion of my comment and critique it.
devilhunterx  +   1363d ago
I played KZ1 on the PS3 BC and it was damn fun except for the sniper rifle....

KZ1 really need a remake / anniversary version
NarooN  +   1360d ago
I love KZ1's sniper rifle, it took skill and time to get good with it. Reminds me of TS2's sniper system. It wasn't as simple as CoD's trashy, scrub-centered "oh just hit the aim button and press the fire button, lolol" stuff.
DeadIIIRed  +   1363d ago
I remember the first level in the trenches being fun, but I never even bothered to finish the rest of the game.
DigitalAnalog  +   1363d ago
I might get it for the story. But it would be nice to have it run with the current KZ3 engine. After all, the story and assets are already in place. And SONY has a LOT of other studios who could really use a hand in the PS3 market.
Solans Scott  +   1363d ago
I thought Sony would have remastered the game.
MrBeatdown  +   1363d ago
Someone in another article brought up the possibility of KZ1 and Liberation in HD. That would have made for a great HD collection if you ask me.

It's too bad. I enjoyed what I played of Killzone back in the day but never got around to finishing it. I tried to get through it just before Killzone 2 released but I don't have any motivation to play non-HD games anymore.
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SuperDopetastic  +   1363d ago
back in the day it wasnt the best game,nor was it the worst.It was enjoyable.May have been better if it didnt dub itself Halo Killer...either way I'm a fan of killzone and hope they return to the formula they used in Killzone 2
Azfargh  +   1363d ago
Instant Win formula for Kz:

-Kz2 graphics engine
-Kz1 story-like
-Kz1 characters involvement
-Kz1 immersiviness
-Kz1 melee attacks (each one with the weapon in hand and faster)
-Kz3 operations multiplayer mode
-Kz2 multiplayer/classes
-Hakka and Lugger
-Kill Rico
-Replace Rico
-REAL jungle/bogs/rivers maps
-More, comebacks and all equivalent weapons (ISA don´t use sniper rifles? Where is Kz1 Hellghast super rocket launcher? Where is that Kz1 anti-tank gun? Where is Kz1 Rico machine gun with rocket launcher?)
-No cover sistem (crap anyway)
-Storytelling non interrupting the game
Raoh  +   1363d ago
yeah it was good but nothing special.

Dumb azz sony dropped the ball putting money behind killzone when they should have worked on a launch socom release with the ps3 as well as a socom franchise hd remake.

socom was the online shooter of the playstation brand, didn't need to be a halo killer, two different kind of shooters, I hate what sony and zipper have done to the socom franchise.

the killzone series is good but I think they invested a little too much money and advertising on it.
Young_ART  +   1363d ago
roah, you said it right man.

why do people feel the "flagship" online game always has to be a first person shooter?

TO THIS DAY, i've yet to find any game that even comes close to replicating the feel that a true socom multiplayer experience gives. they've ruined the tactical gameplay, removed signature things that made this game special, and also removed/changed parts of this series that were the reason people developed such a connection with the people they were in a match with.

why?.............and to top all of this off, they had zipper making an FPS, as if this gen isnt already filled with those!! its rediculous.
jjb1981  +   1363d ago
They need to do an HD remake of black!
Yodagamer  +   1363d ago
i'd love a remake of black, but that game still holds up pretty well from the graphics perspective, killzone needs one bad to fix the glitches and framerate problems, if they atleast fix those then imo this could be the best killzone
Oldman100  +   1363d ago
They should make a collection with Black and Killzone. Call it the "FPS Classics Collection" or something.
MrBeatdown  +   1363d ago
I've always wanted a Criterion HD Collection. Burnout 3, Revenge (which is actually already on 360), and Black would be incredible.
Young_ART  +   1363d ago
i read a while back the devs were rushed to release this game. if this is the case, it shows.
Killzone 2 & 3 are always praised for how polished they are. For many gamers who know of this series, they've more than likely only played 2 & 3. So when people go and purchase this, "re-release" of killzone 1, they will be disappointed because they at least expected a stable game.

I loved Kz1 though. The multiplayer took skill. And the rank you had actually meant something. In orderto keep a rank, you had to keep performing at a certain level or else you'd get dropped. So when you saw those high level players you knew they were the real deal. (or hackers sometimes -___- )
FinaLXiii  +   1363d ago
The original deserves attention from Sony for an HD remaster, after all its the original.
Soldierone  +   1363d ago
I think they should remake it entirely, not just put it in HD. Fix the frame rates, add some tweaked better AI, and add some gameplay elements. Don't necassarily need to re do everything, but just tweak things. Kinda like a stealth George Lucas star wars move :P
Silly gameAr  +   1363d ago
Nahh. I think I can live with this. Thanks for your concern for Killzone fans though.
videoxgamexfanboy  +   1363d ago
KZ1 sucked.
SneeringImperialist  +   1363d ago
You suck.
Sugreev2001  +   1363d ago
Though I prefer the PS3 Killzone games,the first one was still pretty fun.It's wasn't the "Halo-Killer" people were making it out to be,but it was a solid FPS for it's time.It was really challenging and had a great storyline.Plus,the online was great too.I didn't really play online much during the PS2 era,but this game was among a few where I did manage to spend countless hours without getting bored.I still have the copy,but I agree that it should get an HD remake.Getting used to the smoother controls of today make the old Killzone a hard game to get into.
Razgriz18  +   1363d ago
I gotta agree with the article. Had alot of fun with part 1. The weapons felt great. This calls for an HD remake, and heck, throw in a KZ Liberation PS3 port as well!
PCgamer4ever  +   1363d ago
Black best PS2 FPS,that simple.
Commodore  +   1363d ago
SOCOM 1/2 deserves an HD remake....WAAAAAY before any thought would be put into a Killzone HD. FACT.
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SneeringImperialist  +   1363d ago
I would buy a socom 2 remake in a heartbeat, i loved that game :)
Commodore  +   1362d ago
I love how 6 people disagreed....SOCOM 1 was only the first ever online console shooter. Put the PS2 on the map as an online console. FACT #2.

Haters gone hate.
SneeringImperialist  +   1361d ago
@Commodore some people are just ignorant.
Psycho_Mantis  +   1363d ago
As much of a fan i am of Killzone ill have to pass on this HD port. I really dont see the need to buy it again even if its a HD port. Now the Beyond good and evil HD port via psn...THAT WAS WORTH EVERY PENNY!
jag_stilvecchio  +   1363d ago
I bought the original Killzone for the PS2 shortly before K2 was released in an effort to catch up with the Killzone story. Calling Killzone a "classic" is a stretch by any imagination. The game was forgettable at best and in parts simply terrible.

With the PS2's huge library of great games there are better titles to choose from for a true "classics" addition to the PSN Store.
Zephol  +   1363d ago
Black is the best fps on ps2
Krakn3Dfx  +   1363d ago
It was my favorite barrel shooting sim of 2006.
Elite-uk  +   1362d ago
no chance, battlefield 2: modern combat was...simples ;)
GraveLord  +   1363d ago
Killzone 1 needs an HD remake? LOL! People are barely interested in 2 and 3 what makes you think people will buy a remake of some random PS2 game?

Sony is doing the right thing by releasing it under the PS2 classics in PSN. Let's not use any more resources on this franchise than needed....
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Virtual_Reality  +   1363d ago
¿Barely interested?
Probably the people saying that is the minority bashing the series.
spacedelete  +   1363d ago
seriously is everyone going to keep moaning and complaining when PS2 classics are announced ? who cares about slightly better graphics and pointless digital points.

and kz1 was absolute crap. out of every awesome ps2 game they choose an outdated fps that was nothing special in 2004 let alone 2012.
jay2  +   1363d ago
bumping the framerate up to 60 per second; adding trophies, Move support, and lag-free online multiplayer, is salivating.

leogets  +   1363d ago
Loved killzone 2 sp and mp. Just never had the never ending addictability battlefield has.was addicted for 1st few months with clan matches but was missing an ingrediant dice offer.killzone 3 also epic but mp got boring even faster than kz2. Kz1 should be left in the past
SSKILLZ  +   1363d ago
They should Release Killzone: Liberation as a FPS and tie it to Killzone 2 in the best way possible that would be fantastic.
JoeSchmoh  +   1363d ago
Time Splitters Future Perfect and Killzone was my shit when online FPS games came out for console. back in the PS2 era. Like around 2004-05. Oh and Metal Gear Solid Snake Eater Online, it was the sh*t when this stuff was "New". like 6 years ago. They need to bring out Time Splitters Future Perfect for the PS2 Classics. I personally would take Time Spiltters over Killzone just cause of how much more fast it is with BOTS on.
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Elite-uk  +   1362d ago
you need to add Bf2:mc to that list m8 ;)
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Xenomorph  +   1363d ago
Playing unbiased from review scores I rented the game online. I found it to be incredible and it spurred interest in the other games as well. It's not the best PS2 game ever made, but in all actuality it's still very good even visually. The main issues were its draw distance and your inability to jump.
Krakn3Dfx  +   1363d ago
Original Killzone was kind of a mess.

This $10 version is fine if you want to experience the backstory without buying a PS2 and picking up a used disc, but if you're going into it for great level design or controls, save yourself a tenner and just read a wiki.
smashcrashbash  +   1363d ago
KZ1 wasn't that bad at all. It had decent AI, an interesting story and okay voice acting. The weapons weren't to bad either. I like calling bomb drops on tanks. People are such drama queens. It wasn't a Halo killer like people tried to make it out but it was a functional game that held my attention until the end. My memories of KZ1 are obviously better then a lot of people on this site.

@ jay2 who is losing studios and exclusives left and right? What BS are you talking?
Krakn3Dfx  +   1363d ago
I always find it weird that so many people look back favorably on Black. I love Criterion, but that game was 90% "dude is standing by a barrel, shoot barrel, barrel explodes, kills dude". While I'd like to see Criterion make an awesome FPS, I never though of Black as one.
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