Wedbush analyst Michael Pachter says that Microsoft views the Wii U as "an Xbox 360 with a tablet controller".
I just hope it is more powerful than 360 and PS3 and not on par with these current gen consoles. It would be stupid to pay more for the WiiU if it isnt more powerful
Nintendo is actually aiming at its core fanbase, there are actually nearly 95 millions Wii users. So this console is actually meant to be sold to this base of users in the first time. Nintendo wants players to hype the new device for them to attract new gamers on this market. Now for them the challenge will be to make people think that Kinect is not the best gadget for a casual experience, at this game it seems that Microsoft did fairly the right choice. Kinect is attracting more and more casual gamers. It will be a battle for the market in the US. With the new tablet nintendo will try to offer to users a new way to use its console. it looks like they are not focusing on power. They want a friendly family use with wii U.
nintendo isnt aiming at "next-gen" but current gen. Yes the wii is considered current because of its release cycle but it is an upgraded gamecube. Technically that would be last gen so them making a real current gen system is what they were shooting for. The family friendly wii and then the more technical wii-u. Selling point is the controller for the wii-u and its ability to transfer the game playing from big screen to little screen. Something i am sure the likes of sony, ms and even apple are watching closely. Having a platform that can be used differently but retain the same game experience is a sign of things to come. nintendo happens to be doing it their way in that you play the games on the big screen and can play them on the little screen as well but you arent really getting that portability they are so famous for. Apple, sony or even MS could go a slightly different route by having a really powerful portable that can play on a big screen. Doing something nintendo hadnt done with the wii-u. Real portability.
The wiiu will use different tech to offer different types of games than what is possible now... that means it is next generation. Graphic and processing power are only part of this, not the whole. From nes to gc, the only thing needed to make possible new gameplay experiences was an major upgrade in these things, but that is becoming less and less the case as time goes on.
I've actually said this before, Nintendo REALLY has to have a SMOKING E3 come June in regards to Wii-U. This honesty isn't just about the power of the console. Believe me, if the video from E3 holds true and we are all playing Wii-U with our old Wii-motes and there can only be one tablet as the early reports suggested, then Nintendo is in for a bumby ride. Pachter said in the quote that neither Microsoft nor Sony are scared. But, why would they be? Wii-U may not be physically available until November. (earlier if Nintendo is smart) In Micrsoft's case they still have wiggle room for a price-cut, a smoking hot Kinect (with still nothing like it on the market), the holiday led by Halo 4, and Xbox Live is still a HUGE factor if Nintendo can't match it online. Lastly, the 300 pound gorilla in the room is an E3 Xbox 720 announcement. In Sony's case, you still are the only Blu-ray on the market, you still have a holiday that may include at least 'Last guardian' with E3 announcements of Last of Us and God of War 4 for 2013 (if not sooner). Both PSN & Move will still be factor, and the holiday bundles next year that are going to be sickening. But, let's not forget that Treyarch is still going have Black Ops 2 in the hands of millions of Xbox & PS3 gamers playing over Xbox LIve/PSN in November as well. Again, I'm saying it's going to be a different battle this time around for consumer dollars this go-around. But, Nintendo could shock us all come E3 with a launch that features a new wirweless controller, a next gen Wii Sports, Super Smash Bros, Mario Kart, and a brand new Super Mario Galaxy w/ Zelda & Metroid lurking not too far behind. We would all then cry, buy our Wii-Us at launch and Nintendo would be back to printing money again. Only time will tell, but I'm definately crossing my fingers and rooting for Nintendo as I always have. Evil
@EVILDEAD360 There have been reports that they are trying to add support for more than one of the tablet controllers. That is essential, as any parent knows, having only one such device is going to be nothing but trouble as the kids fight over who get's the "cool" controller and who has to use the boring old WiiMotes. Personally the new controller looks too big and clunky, it doesn't seem like it will be comfortable to use, especially for extended periods of time.
@ kneon I honestly hope those reports are true. They had to have heard all the criticism from what we saw @ E3. The tablet idea isn't bad, but to only have one and rely on our Wii motes as back up just seems like they are headed backwards. I just hope they have something up their sleeve that no one is aware of at the moment. Evil
The WiiU will not catch on, and like I keep saying, this is the next Dreamcast. Its a shame really because Nintendo used to be relevant, but they are living off of past success and gimmicks like motion controls and now a tablet controller. By this time next year, either Microsoft or Sony will have announced their next console, and then interest in the WiiU will quickly turn away as the WiiU is relegated to the realm of obscurity. My prediction is that the WiiU will last no more than 3 years. The general public is beginning to see that Microsoft and Sony are the exciting companies to watch, and are the two companies that keep pushing console technology forward while Nintendo brings up the rear of every generation by matching console technology that has already been out for 5 - 7 years. On a brighter note, I just hooked up my original NES I've had from when I was a kid, and it still works like a charm. The games are a bit harder to find these days, but I've managed to find some of the good classics in some pawn shops and a really good retro gaming store in my neighborhood. I've still got my original Sega Genesis, but it doesn't appeal to me as much, and it didn't have games that are as memorable as what was on the NES, except for Street Fighter 2.
@EVILDEAD360 I have no problem with the concept of adding a touch screen to the controller, it's just that this implementation seems too big.
They may be working on support for multiple tablets, but they're telling developers to only expect one. If this support comes at a later date, it may be too late. Like another mentioned...I'm a parent. One child with the big fancy controller and their friends with regular Wii-Mote's - that sounds like a nightmare to me.
what is the wii u hardware? The Gpu? no?? What about the cpu???nothing too?? Ok ok at least the ram??? Oh dear....
@darkhollow Exactly, we know nothing, NOTHING at all about the wii-u (except How the controller looks), yet people can't stop hating on Nintendo.(not sayin ur hatin darkhollow) I mean damn, the Wii-U has to be the most hated unreleased console ever. Nintendo said it will have better online, support 1080p, aiming towards the hardcore audience, and a new controller that gives a great deal of interesting ideas to the table(t)(lol). Yet somehow they are still doing everything wrong... I guess you "hardcore gamers" wants the exact same controller every generation as long as you get better hardware. I really want to know how the reactions on this site would differ if it was sony/ms who introduced these ideas instead. Stop being so afraid of changes!
Well we don't know what the hardware will be but given Nintendo's past track record it's a pretty safe bet that it will at most be a little ahead of the PS3 and 360 in terms of graphical power. They need keep the price down to make headway with their installed base. The casuals aren't about to run out and plunk down $500+ when they are happy with their Wii. So given the cost restrictions I can't see it being much ahead of current gen consoles.
But it won't matter cause I kinda already lost faith in Nintendo since the wii was released....
It will be roughly on par. Not enough of a boost in power over the 360 to see any noticeable difference in graphics.
its more powerful than all current gen systems. but really Im sure Sony and Microsoft have fear from Nintendo and they will feel some type of way at E3. especially later on when Wii U launches and sells like hotcakes and then Sony and Microsoft are playing the catch up and act like Nintendo game.
i really believe Wii-u should have launched along time ago with the 360/PS3.Nintendo is just now coming to the HD market and will be outdone hardware/spec wise soon as the next PS/Xbox is announced. luckily for Nintendo they have the tablet controller as main selling point along with classic franchises.
This proves he knows nothing about gaming. It doesn't matter how weak or powerful a system to be part of the next gen(8th gen) The 3DS and Vita are part of it already. Back at E3 devs said the Wii U was 50% more powerful than the PS3 and those weren't the final specs. There can be a console with an Intel atom and it will be part of the 8th gen
It totally matters, the more powerful one has more capability, chances are the WiiU won't match the PS4 and 720 and that just means another generation with Nintendo behind the curve. Lame.
you only need to look at the various generations past to see that the most powerful system didnt have the mass consumer appeal. They sold well...yes but it was usually the lesser powerful that had the games and therefore the sales.
The last 3 console generations, the weakest one won by a landslide. You can add last handheld generation to that now. With the DS selling 150 million.
I have a feeling that Nintendo doesn't know what to do with the Wii-U
I am assuming the WiiU will be more powerful than the PS3 or 360... how much is anyone's guess but it will tip the scale on that end. WiiU's biggest challenge as I see it right now is not graphical power but its the controller. If they truly can't figure a way to get more than one of those tablet controllers to work on a console I think they are going to be in for a rough go of it. And no, using a wiimote & nun-chuck from the old system is not a reasonable solution for multi-play on a system in my opinion.
i have a feeling they will find a way to use the 3ds and the add-on circle pad as a controller option. It will have almost the same layout with touch screen and dual slide pads as well as triggers. It wont have the same screen size but we dont really know for sure what nintendo has in store.
But who would pay $180+ for a controller? Nintendo would be crazy to pitch the 3ds as an extra joystick for the Wii U.
sorry off topic but I got a ps3 last year with a voucher of free psn+ for 30 days and it says the voucher expiers n august of 2013 so maybe a ps4 in 2013
No. Just no.
I guess everyone missed the rumored specs: Power7 quad core, RadeonHD 4800, 1.5GB GDDR5 RAM. SERIOUSLY THE WIIU IS GOING TO BE MORE POWERFUL THAN PS3 AND 360. HATER NEED TO GET OVER IT!!! honestly to all the ppl who really think that nintendo is going to come out with a very weak system thats only 50% more powerful, do the words " unfinshed demo tech final tech 3-5 times more powerful mean ANYTHING to you?"
I am not disagreeing with the thought that the WiiU will most likely be more powerful. I fully believe it will be. That said, you come in here and throw down in caps specs and boasts of it being more powerful off of what evidence? A rumored spec...let me repeat that... a rumored spec. Nothing is official until we have real proof. Far too many times have we heard "rumors" around here taken as fact only to find out it was false. I mean hey, the latest rumor was MS was announcing the next xbox at CES. So was that rumor fact...or was it just a rumor? Rumored Wii Specs are...just a rumor at this point. FACT
I think most people know fine well that it'll be more powerful than PS3 and 360. The point being raised here is whether or not it will be enough to entice people away from PS3 and 360 or whether most people will just wait for the PS4 and next Xbox. They will both most likely be 3-5 times more powerful again. I would probably bet on the latter.
not hating the next xbox and PS will be way stronger than that. wii-u will be lke playing on a last gen system once they hit
Actually you're right... bu the Power7 quad core and the AMD 4000 series graphics chip have been confirmed. You totally right because you annoys me when people take rumors... (like the WiiUDaily rumor) automatically become gospel truth.
Oh Noes!!! Say it ain't so!!! A brand new console being more powerful than 6 and 7 year old ones?!?!?! I've heard of or seen that happen before! Gimme a break Nintendrone. The Wii-U will have it's 5 seconds of fame, and then the PS4 and 720 will come around to annihilate it. Just like this past gem. Moron.
wait what the wii got annihilated? last time i though it took 5 years for the ps3 to even sell well? if you ask me the wii annihilated the ps3 and 360. and wth is the xbox 720? really
Here we go again I remember before the wii came out everyone was saying the same thing fast forward a few years and now both companies are doing motion controls when they were laughing at nintendo at first and who sold more let me guess the wii did stupid stupid man does not know about gaming wii u will crush them both just watch
You not got a full stop/period button?
It would be foolish to discredit Nintendo, after what they have accomplished this gen.
Can we ban patcher from this site? All he does is troll for attention.
@BitbyDeath, Is it him trolling for attnetion or is it all the people/sites re-posting his interviews over and over again with flame bait titles that are trolling for attention? just sayin..
I think it's a little bit of both in all honesty.
Either way none of his comments have ever added any value. They are all just guesses that anyone could make.
It can be as powerful as atomic bomb & come with its franchise games it has been dragging around for the last dirty years & none of that will matter if they do not play nice with 3rd party delvelopers & allow them the freedom they need & not reverse to the nintendo of old. where its my way or the highway.
Ms and and Sony shouldn't be afraid. the Wii-u was design to competes with the 360 and ps3 graphically.whereas MS andSony are looking tom push the envelope further graphically.
people in general. Nintendo won this gen and will win next gen. No matter what anyone says, the "hardcores" (gag and vomit at the term) do not control anything game or sales wise. and LMAO @ MS going for broke on putting cutting edge tech in 720. Logically there is no real reason too.
"Nintendo won this gen and will win next gen" Disagree. It is way too early to tell. Who knows what Sony or MS will do. MS may come first nextgen by launching a bigger badder kinect stealing all the casuals away from Ninty; or Sony may come first by revolutionizing gaming as we know it and releasing the first ever VR gaming system. I agree that the casuals do control the sales (just look at the popularity of Wii Sports and COD) but at this point in time there is absoloutely no way of knowing who will win nextgen.
Wii-u will be next gen and more powerful than a 360 and ps3. It will look fantastic when it launches but compared to the 720/ps4 it will slowly show its age over time although less than this gen. Its better now because its hd and launching before the other consoles so it will have a chance to wow people. It really doesnt matter to me because im excited to see zelda, metroid, ssb, xenoblade in hd 1080p (hopefully) with wonderful textures and shaders. Nintendo is relly compared to the last nintndo console, not other consoles and it will be a VAST improvement. They usually had the most powerful tech until the wii which was barely a step up from the gamecube. This is the first gen that ive never had to have a nintendo console hooked up at all times. I also think the controller will be the best thing to happen to consoles since the analoug stick hit. After using my 3ds a lot i realized the second screen makes a huge difference. It allows new games, new gameplay, strategy, menus offscreen, all kinds of new unique elements. Its hard going back to a psp without a second screen and touch although i still love it for the games. Ms i think is happy with the 360/kinect combo along with xbl. They will use that as a cheaper casual console for motion control and people who only want cod and madden. They will drop the 720 for core gamers whenever theyre ready, hopefully soon though. I think they want a jump on sony again but arent as rushed now that theyve carved out a stake in the market and stolen all the third party games from sony (gta, dmc, tekken, mgs exc). People will always come back/stay for xbl and friends.
Sigh........... A Power7 CPU with a custom revamped R770 is leaps and bounds above the PS3 and 360 (as it should be) I don't know why Pachter keeps going on about this.
Yes and a wii should have the power of two gamecubes, but in reality it wasn't that far off from a single one. Pachter is right, the average joe bloggs won't be able to tell the difference and will perceive them as being the same.
HEres the thing that contradicts with what he says. He says its not next gen graphics and thats why it wont sell. YET he says that microsoft and sony should not upgrade..because it wont sell. That makes no sense.
Pachter is wrong simply because Nintendo is not stupid; they know the core gaming market is a tough market to take on. So I don't see the point of bashing the Wii U at this point.My own feeling is that the Wii U will be a success when it hit store shelve. On another note, I personally think Nintendo strategically only revealed information about the wii U's controller pad to the public in order to keep the casual gamers attention. While the rest information about the Wii U was help back from the public because core gamers are all about the specs of a system. So I guessing it probably the reason why Nintendo held info back from us core gamers because a bad first impression can be fatal.
guess what reports show sony isnt even bringing another console Full Stop only Ninty/micro will release Next gen consoles the WiiU is much more powerful than ps3 Cryteks words and its not finished yet all this tallk of its power is a joke Reggie said them tech demo's are using 10% of wiiu power which were already 2 times better than what ps3 can do in terms of resolution/framerate/graphics/ ect so if thats using 10% what will 100% be work it out the cpu uses Watson tech tons of EDRAM with this the wiiu is light years above pc/ps3/360 you name it as edram makes 4 serious gameplay/graphics.
If the Wii was an upgraded Gamecube and the WiiU is an updraded 360, will Nintendo ALWAYS be a whole geberation behind Microsoft and Sony from now on? Makes me sad just thinking about it - I remember the days when Nintendo lead the way in home console power...
cant wait to get the wiiU if these specs that are floating around the net are correct its gonna be more powerfull than the PS3 AND 360 COMBINED, now if u ask me id say thats a pretty powerfull console, roll on 2012 till this baby comes out true 1080p and visuals not possible with either of the current gen HD systems
MS paying patcher now? oh well
People are really smoking something if they feel or think that the Wii U wont be more powerful than ps3 and Xbox 360. People it will, so get over it all ready!
I can round things off for those that are tired of reading the same repeat comments: -WiiU will be less or equal power to current system -Pachter is a troll -SPECS,SPECS and More SPECS - etc etc etc Xbox 360 and yata yata yata PS3 -lost faith in Nintendo because of the wii, wii is the next dreamcast or sega,wiiU will flop - WE KNOW NOTHING!!!! So much hate but this should of been expected as this new system does use the previously hated name. If they they named it something else and introduced it in an other color. I think the tension would ease a bit, well just a bit. I am reserving my final thoughts on exclusive games that show us what it can do. I mean a port is great of a AAA game but an exclusive AAA game that uses the HW that should = AAA+ no word on Capcom/Konami/SE/NamcoBandai/E A/Activison and so on Note: Yes SE has DQX but all we know is that " the game looks beautiful" on the new system. PS: Pachter will eat his words and this will not be the first time nor the last.
The Wii U isn't an XBOX with a tablet, it's a DS HD (wich, if you like your DS, if a good thing)
i doubt nintendo would want to release spec for the wii u, because if the did then ms and sony could just up there spec by a bit then everyone would say they were right and say that the wii u was always old hardware and last gen.
Pachter is a bad troll.
Why would M$ NOT be worried about the WiiU? The WiiU might be an underpowered next-gen console or a very powerful current gen console. Depends on how you look at it. But the fact is, Nintendo are still in direct competition with M$ and Sony. If Ninty can flog a weak-ass console (Wii/WiiU) and make a ton of proffit at day one while M$ and Sony sink Billions into super-powered consoles that loose money for the first few years - more power to them!
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