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The Bearded Gamer Show: Racism on N4G and the Industry at Large

In this episode: Rayman Origins, a rumored PlayStation 3 video editing suite, the Diablo III launch date, Kaz Hirai's future with Sony, and Best Buy's game sales are in the news. A video shows what a modder can do when he wants to play his Nintendo GameCube on the go. Finally, The Bearded Gamer addresses the recent banning of Hip Hop Gamer from N4G and the larger issue of racism in the gaming journalism industry it represents.

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Seece2048d ago (Edited 2048d ago )

Rayman is worth the full 60 bucks, $20 is just a steal

Hip Hop Gamer is not disliked because he's black .... what an assumption. He's a massive troll, his article titles are flat out lies ect ... I can't stand him for that reason and that reason only ...

Sorry but it's just sad that the racism card is used .. what a joke.

LOGICWINS2048d ago

"Hip Hop Gamer is not disliked because he's black .... what an assumption. He's a massive troll, his article titles are flat out lies ect ... I can't stand him for that reason and that reason only ..."

Unless your a mind reader, how can you PROVE or DISPROVE that the reason that OTHER N4G members dislike him has to do with his skin color?

"Sorry but it's just sad that the racism card is used .. what a joke."

So its out of the realm of possibility that HHG has been discriminated because of his skin color? Try having a more open mind.

Seece2048d ago

There will be a few because of that reason, (as there is for anything) but a few doesn't mean thats why he was kicked off. Majority of posts I've seen against him have not been racist, just angry at his lies and troll titles.

LOGICWINS2048d ago (Edited 2048d ago )

"There will be a few because of that reason, (as there is for anything) but a few doesn't mean thats why he was kicked off."

He was kicked off because the N4G community constantly reported him...but how do we know whats going on in the minds of the people who did the reporting? I would hope to believe that HHG getting kicked off N4G has nothing to do with his skin color...but its not out of the realm of possibility.

If your show has featured AAA industry figures such as David Jaffe, Geoff Keighly, Adam Sessler, Stig Assmusen, Major Nelson, Kudo Tsunoda, Reggie Fiis Aime, Jack Tretton, the teams of Killzone, Uncharted, Heavy Rain, and Cat(from N4G).

AND you were featured on GTTV
AND you have your own items on PS Home
AND your the first gaming journalist have your own music in a PS3 exclusive's soundtrack

and then N4G says that your not a "credible source"? Assuming this has nothing to do with race...clearly there is still overwhelming evidence to suggest that HHG IS a credible gaming news source.

"Majority of posts I've seen against him have not been racist, just angry at his lies and troll titles."

Of course not, because these people aren't stupid. 99.9% of racists aren't overtly racists because they know it will make them look bad. The second option for closet racists is to attack someone on a different level...such as accusing someone of being a troll.

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Seece2048d ago (Edited 2048d ago )

Whats your point logicwins? The article says he was kicked off by racist users but again, no PROOF as you like to put it. There is no PROOF for either side of the case, all you can do is use common sense. And it makes a lot more sense that people were annoyed with his trolling and lies than his skin colour (given no other black person in the industry gets any stick)

Look at people like Jim Sterling (as noted below) another person the industry fans dislike, because of the way he behaves, not his skin colour. You seem determined to make it fact HHG is dislike because of his skin colour ... with no actual PROOF.

joab7772048d ago

If it were his skin color, why would it stop with him? Wouldn't it continue until only whites were allowed on here. So many saw the last election as a testimony or evidence that leaps and bounds have been made racially. Unfortunately, IMO, its only given certain groups the power to use the race card unabated for political reasons etc. Its a mockery and a shame for those that have worked tirelessly and given their lives, mostbehind the scenes and in the dark to make things right, not become a headline story or further a political agenda. Its true. I guess we will never know if he was banned because of his skin color unless...oh yeah, unless this is only the beginning. Which I'm guessing it isn't. So, using similar logic, u can't simply assume race is the reason either. And, its also racial to always scream race whenever something happens without ever considering or taking responsibility for the actual reason why something occurs.

Baka-akaB2048d ago (Edited 2048d ago )

"Unless your a mind reader, how can you PROVE or DISPROVE that the reason that OTHER N4G members dislike him has to do with his skin color? "

It is ridiculous to assume so by default that's all .

"Of course not, because these people aren't stupid. 99.9% of racists aren't overtly racists because they know it will make them look bad. The second option for closet racists is to attack someone on a different level...such as being a troll.

Wich make your stance here a tad pointless ... you wont know so it's useless to assume so clinically and cynically that it was based upon racism .

At best and likewise , of course HHG and/or fans will prefer to assume it's racism , over some self criticism and introspection .

At some point he even made sure that people wouldnt just refuse to click his link and comments instead with the others . The video was just embedded at some point . I know it irked some

LOGICWINS2048d ago (Edited 2048d ago )

@all commenters above me.

I never said that HHG was kicked off due to his skin color...only that it is a POSSIBILITY.

Re-read my comments.

"The article says he was kicked off by racist users but again, no PROOF as you like to put it. There is no PROOF for either side of the case, all you can do is use common sense."

Ummm yeah...I said that.

"Unless your a mind reader, how can you PROVE or DISPROVE that the reason that OTHER N4G members dislike him has to do with his skin color?"

"HHG is banned because he is an idiot. And guess what, idiots come in all shapes and colors."

Compare what you have accomplished in this industry compared to what he has. I rest my case.

"And, its also racial to always scream race whenever something happens without ever considering or taking responsibility for the actual reason why something occurs."

The only reason I'm mentioning this is because thats what the article is about. You make it seem like I'm some sort of preacher that will stop at nothing to call people out for being racist. Look at my comment history or forum posts. This is my FIRST time mentioning racism on N4G.

Baka-akaB2048d ago (Edited 2048d ago )

Making even less sense to me each post .
What the point of just plainly arguing that "maybe is it , maybe it isnt ?" .

What other posters convey is kinda true , there is no reason yet to even start assuming assume that , it is thus far without anything to back this theory up , even remotely , other than HHG being black ...

radphil2048d ago (Edited 2048d ago )

"Unless your a mind reader, how can you PROVE or DISPROVE that the reason that OTHER N4G members dislike him has to do with his skin color? "

I'm black, and I can tell he's instigating for the most part.

Take that with what you will.

antz11042048d ago

Lol, N4G is a lot of things, but racist its not.

Nitrowolf22047d ago

Well Logic

If it was because of racism then would have kicked some of those guys from gamersheep for not being white.

The guys over at gamerfitnation article should have gotten reports to then right? http://n4g.com/news/919040/...

there are other users on this site who are black and post videos of themselves and such.

If it were due to racism don't you think submissions like that should have gotten reports then?

Of course this isn't proof, just some stuff to back it up. No doubt do we have people who are racist on this site, but the main reason he wasn't disliked can be based on comments and also compared to other black users posts.

Most of HHG articles were filled with dislikes for the title. I've seen some of his past vidicles with no flame or some stupid article and compared to his other ones, they are just like an other submissions on n4g that gets ignored. He obviously was out to get hits.

I agree with the other guys. The racist card is just plain dumb, we have many many many examples of post/videos done by non whites and posted on n4g successfully. It's only HHG that ever felt the need to say stuff like that before and use flame bait to get his articles up.

I mean really? Every week was the same crap.

He even contacted me one day to ask how his article is bad. I told him the title is what he's using to attract hits. Next article he used something less flame bait and it was completely ignored, the one following went back to his old ways.

People disliked him for his poorly done content, not racism. Though there are some who probably did.

specialguest2047d ago (Edited 2047d ago )

LOGICWINS seems to be communicating that you don't truely know what the real intentions of the people who got him banned are, whether racially motivated or not. That is a fair statement.

With that in mind, let me say this. Had it not been for the LEGITIMATE complaints filed against HHG over a course of at least 2 years like instigation, misinformation, sensationalism, etc., it would have been obvious that it was clear racism.

Sure, racism could be subtle, but like I stated on my first comment below, the burden of proof to prove that these complaints were racially motivated is on the accusers.

We, as the ones who are claiming that it's not due to racism and we have our hard evidence. You (the accusers) have to counter it with your own hard evidence and not just speculations and theories.

antz11042047d ago

Everything else aside, I love how Bearded Gamer speaks to HHG and takes his word for it, then shouts from his soapbox about racism. Did he even contact N4G about the allegations?

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SilentNegotiator2047d ago (Edited 2047d ago )

Maybe we prefer "innocent until proven guilty" over "We can't make assumptions without being mind readers, so let's assume that there are racists"

I'm tired of the 21st century guilt complex that stirs things up looking for hate that probably isn't there.

MaxXAttaxX2047d ago (Edited 2047d ago )

They brought up racial ethnicity as an issue.
What if HHG had been white? Asian?
It didn't matter.

Everyone that I noticed complaining about him and reported HHG did so because of his sensationalist bait titles and nonsensical claims. Nothing about him being black or simply outspoken.

Why should the color of his skin even be brought up in the first place???
You're halting progress.

morganfell2047d ago (Edited 2047d ago )

As someone that has had plenty of racist slurs thrown at me, I have to say that N4G has actually been one of the least racist gaming sites to visit. Sure there is the odd remark but let's face it, even if you are Johnny Whitebread you will always find someone that hates your for something. So what, it's your race. There are worse things for which a person can dislike you. Grow some skin...pun intended.

Far too often the damage occurs when potential victims of racism see racism none happens to be present. Such misperceptions are compounded by uninformed, misdirected, or guilt ridden Caucasians that feel compelled to ride to your rescue in the name of racial justice.

You know the best way to reduce racism? Stop dredging up things that do not exist. I do not mean allow it to happen but stop being its right hand by letting your imagination run wild.

When I was young first growing up in the States I had my share of fights that began over someone deciding the fact I didn't look like Hitler's wet dream was grounds for a beating or a snide remark about my heritage. Some people back in my mother's country were no better.

How do you deal with that? There is a great quote in one of the original trailers for Michael Mann's Last of the Mohicans. It talks about the frontier and says, "...where every man is his own nation." That is how you get by such moments. Because you can get legal intervention, but until you learn to let it go yourself then you will never be truly free of racism.

Quite honestly I have seen people that detest racism, that truly understand how to deal with it, grow weary of assisting because some minorities seem to believe every time the system doesn't favor them it must be racism. Such people are the ones that see race first. They are the ones that need to look closer at themselves.

It also doesn't help that the political correctness police, the self appointed saviors are crying wolf at a harmless remark. Racial paranoia is the right hand of racism.

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iamnsuperman2048d ago (Edited 2048d ago )

"Hip Hop Gamer is not disliked because he's black .... what an assumption. He's a massive troll, his article titles are flat out lies ect ... I can't stand him for that reason and that reason only"

Agree. I do not like him because of the stuff he says. It very sensationalist and nearly all the time false. It is just beyond belief what he says. I can't stand when someone plays the race, sex, age, religion card when there is a far more obvious, less out there reason for people not liking someone. HHG is awful. People like him (do the same stuff) are awful. I am glad he is gone from this site. Those titles and claims he made with no facts is just wrong

dlohnug2048d ago (Edited 2048d ago )

@Animals_as_Leaders

I have no clue as to why you got reported for a personal attack.

Also, I agree with you. I actually felt offended by "Mr. Bearded" because I am not racist, and here is this guy telling me I am. It's hazy now, but I'm pretty sure one of HHG's titles was something about Black Ops having amazing destruction, like sheds could procedurally break apart, etc. But, it's nothing new, and it didn't apply to anything else in the game. So really it was just good destruction for that shed... forgive me If I'm wrong, can't find the article anymore.

I'll leave you guys with this.
http://n4g.com/news/508661/...

dark-hollow2048d ago (Edited 2048d ago )

OMG they are hating on a black guy. RACISM!!!!

Its not like he is a troll with his misleading stupid headlines!!!

Getowned2047d ago (Edited 2047d ago )

exactly dark

I'm sure there was some racism but I don't really remeber it..What I do remeber was people calling him out for his stupidity and flat out lies,and misleading headlines.I would of banned him for saying the word vidical I really hate that word/saying.I use to be a fan of his hated his raping/hiphop found it annoying but I did like his energy and enthusiasm.I think he should of been banned for haveing multipul accounts as well as friends to accept every single article and his "vidicals" -_- .I'm not going to denie there is racism and I don't like being called a racist ,but he was not kicked because he was black.I don't give a s**t that he is black I couldn't care less we don't live in the 40s/50s w.e I really have had enough with the "it's because I'm black card" HHG seems like a good guy but he needs to grow up.now enough of these N4G conspiracy theories please.One love.

and for insulting,and calling me as well as everyone on N4G "racist" Mr bearded gamer I vote you down to be banned as well.

iamtehpwn2048d ago

His Videos were pretty good, the only problem I had was the over sensationalized headlines he'd use to get us to click.

Emilio_Estevez2048d ago

He wasn't banned for being disliked, it was his flamebait titles and chaos he caused in the comments by starting flame wars. The fact that he is black is completely unrelated.

Parapraxis2048d ago

I think HGG is a genuinely good guy, he just approaches many things in an over-the-top way. Making article titles often intentionally inflammatory just gets to people.
Anybody who dislikes his methods based only on the way he talks, the culture he embraces or the colour of his skin can f**k right off.

Clarence2048d ago (Edited 2048d ago )

Some of the people on here are racist. This is the main reason he has been blocked. They disguise it by saying that he's troll. I have seen some of the comments made towards him.

snipermk0
I bet HHG is gonna reply with. "Yo biatch, I dine with da Jeff Rubenstein. I'm also Aaron Greenterd's biatch. So booyah!"

EXCLUSIVEGAMER
in my opinion hhg's opinions belong in the gutter with the rest of the ghetto trash

Sonyfanclubpresident
He's a Gaystation boy,
and a stupid gangsta one at that..............ayeeet(alrig ht)

These are just some of the comments people on this site posted about him.
There are personal inboxes on N4g. Who knows what type of comments HHG has received in his inbox.

Actually to say that it wasn't racism is bull$h!t.

Racism today is very well hidden in society. Some who have commented on this article say its bull, but its not. HHG show didn't make him a troll. He was telling it as he heard it.

Actually to say that it wasn't racism is bull$h!t. The people that control this site don't govern it well.

I have seen all types of comments certain people call other people fanboys which I thought was not allowed yet they have more bubbles than others.

You have a well said behind your comment, and 20 agrees, but your comment is far from the truth. This is how f up the people on here are.

Logicwins has 19 disagrees but his statement is closer to the truth than yours.

The truth of the matter is he is not like because he is black guy reporting on video games, not because of what he reports.

If its was about what he reports then there should be a lot of sites banned on here, because they are full of $h!t as well.

[video link removed by cgoodno instead of hiding whole post. please don't post to HHG content since his site is banned from the site]

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specialguest2047d ago (Edited 2047d ago )

I've been a N4G member since '06 and a lurker since '05. I've seen it all from outrageous fanboy wars to what it is today. I could strongly say that N4G is one of the least racist sites you will encounter anywhere in terms of the comments posted.

I've been to many sites where people are free to post their comments, and I always notice how people are so quick to type of racial slurs like it was a requirement. On N4G, I have not seen anything even close to that(even before the current bubble/report era). Once in a while someone might throw out a racial stereotype, but it's usually a rare occurence without any true ill intentions.

Does this mean that everyone on N4G isn't a racist? No. However, it does mean that everyone for the most part are well respectful in terms of racism issues.

As for HHG, personally I don't have any issue with his videos. However, HHG has so much against him(sensationalism, misinformation, rule breaking, etc) which has nothing to do with his skin color. How can it be called racism when there are many OTHER legit reasons why he could have been banned? The burden of proof is on the accuser.

ChiVoLok02047d ago

What about Greg Miller writing about Uncharted? He's not a troll but he's a total fanboy and people don't show nearly as much hate. From what I know trolls and fanboys get just about the same amount of hate. So sorry but I think he's getting discriminated in this case.

_Aarix_2044d ago

Yes Greg Miller is a Flat out Ps3 Fanboy. Ill admit his podcasts are funny but yea..the uncharted 3 review was was too bias. I love the game but a 10? No.

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Spectator12048d ago (Edited 2048d ago )

<3 Rayman Origins, easily one of the best games of 2011.

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urwifeminder2048d ago

I hate hip hop thats the main reason i dont follow him im more of an angry joe fan.

silvacrest2048d ago

You must be in the minority then, hate him or love him, hhg always had comments on n4g, and always had people talking, angry Joe in comparison is practically unknown, but his articles on n4g regulary have zero comments and forget about industry level guests

urwifeminder2048d ago

Good i prefer to be in a minority sorry if your his number one fan he brings nothing to my gaming world the hip hop just makes me switch off i dont care if he is a guru of gaming and gets comments.

silvacrest2047d ago

you misunderstand me but that's probably my fault for not being clear

i dislike HHG AND angry joe, my only point is that HHG gets people talking, has a style that gets him noticed out of the untold amount of other gaming blogs and even gets industry recognized people on camera, again, angry joe has none of this