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Reggie: We don't care what the gaming competitors are doing

When asked if the Wii U will be able to compete with Sony and Microsoft's next round of consoles, Nintendo of America president Reggie Fils-Aime responded by saying that Nintendo doesn't care about their gaming competitors.

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GraveLord2113d ago

yes they do care that's why they're playing catch-up.

Army_of_Darkness2113d ago

And bang! Cocky son of a biatch! Lol! Sony acted like that and look what happened to them this gen!! Don't get me wrong though, I love Sony, but not when they over price shit and think they on top of the world.
Anyhow, I don't think Nintendo will be as fortunate next gen.

ronin4life2113d ago

One gen? The nes and snes never happened?

Army_of_Darkness2113d ago

As primitive as their hardware was, Nintendo still sold shit loads of consoles over the competition even when they lacked good software support which is why I doubt it will happen next gen. As for the nes and super Nintendo, they didn't luck out because they were actually awesome consoles with a great line up of software to back them up. Understand what I'm getting at?

bwazy2113d ago

How did they over price their products?

When the PS3 released it was what? 600 bucks tops? Where as a stand alone bluray player was well over a thousand.

They did the same with the PS2 and the DVD player.

xCaptainAmazing2113d ago

Nintendo is like honey badger and never gave a shit in the first place.

Young_ART2112d ago

when did sony act like a "cocky s.o.b"????
FYI when the ps3 released it was not "overpriced" yes it was pricey, but for everything you were getting in the launch systems at that time, you were paying way less than what it was actually worse, hence the fact that they were losing money despite the fact that systems were selling.

miyamoto2112d ago (Edited 2112d ago )

If Nintendo does not care about what others are doing then why the hell does that Wii U controller looks like a freaking white iPad with buttons?! Doesn't the white PS Vita looks just like that too?
And this words are coming from a CEO who admitted that he does not play Nintendo games! Now how can anyone trust his claims?

Kurt Russell2112d ago

I think Nintendo will do fine as they've a great brand. It might be aimed at younger people for the mostg part, but I bet those little people have had just as much fun as I did when I was a kid with my NES/Snes.

Personally I missed the Wii this time, but I may be tempted with the Wii U just because I miss their great platformers.

And @ Young_ART

When the PS3 was announced Sony were very cocky with their unhackable super machine. Yeah the console is great, but you can't deny that when announced it was a little too bold.

SkyGamer2112d ago

Ahem... How about sony slamming Nintendo on the DS saying the psp was the best and to get people out of the "gaming ghetto". We all know how this story turns out. Kind of like Thunderbird and Corvette.

How about ken k saying that people would want to work extra hours to get the ps3. Clearly not everyone he imagined thought like he did.

There are a bunch of others but I'll leave it there.

RyuCloudStrife2112d ago

hmmm what happened to them this gen?

PS3 already passed xbox and if not its only a couple hundred thousand behind and the xbox had a YEAR head start... The wii sold so many because at launch it costed about as much as the PS3 costs now $250.

So what happened to Sony this gen? They have an allstar line up, the most exclusives, the best developers, the most powerful gaming machine and so on...

WHAT THE F*** HAPPENED TO SONY THIS GEN??????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????

SilentNegotiator2112d ago

I guess if they did care, they'd have a better online service, multiple controller support, much more diverse first party titles, wouldn't lack NATIVE 1080p games (Nintendo wouldn't confirm native 1080p with Geoff waving a gun at them - I call that confirmation), and wouldn't show 360/ps3 footage of games at E3 (no wait, they DID that last one).

I disagree with Nintendo "getting lucky", though. The Wii had everything it needed for success; a low entry fee, the widest appeal scope, "easy" controls (once you got used to getting the stinkin' thing to register your wiimote as pointing towards the screen)....
And really, it's not like a console HAS to have weak online and lack a significant amount of core games to be like this. Look at the Ps2. It pretty much had all of those things and (even higher) success, but it was its library was full of titles that weren't made to also accommodate seniors, new comers, and 5 year olds.

Nintendo SHOULD care about some of what they're doing. The ps3/360 have MUCH stronger 3rd party support, higher game attachment rates, better online sales, etc. If they want to top Wii's success with WiiU (or even match it), they need to adopt some of the things Sony/Microsoft do.

moparful992112d ago

I was a huge nintendo fan in the days of the NES and SNES on through the 64.. Why? Because nobody anywhere could touch the level of quality games that they routinely pumped out and they had the third party on lock..

They became arrogant and cocky even leaving Sony with the pieces from a broken partneship thinking they wouldn't make it.. Instead they strengthened the resolve of one of the best manufacturing companies in the world..

So the PS1 was born, which coupled with the best catalog of first, second, and third party games whent on to own the world.. Sony repeated that home run with the ps2...

So like nintendo, sony was feeling on top of the world.. They undoubtedly made one of the most feature packed, solid consoles ever seen but they missteped with thinking that everyone would buy ps3's in droves just because it's sony... This economy has made consumers very rediscent to spend that much money, especially when the launch catalog was weak..

But sony being the company they are managed to drive costs down, while improving performance and eventually pumping out yet again the best catalog of games available on any platform... But despite all of that nintendo found success by striking out into a new market of casual gamers who eat up the wii despite a shortage of AAA core titles.

Now all of a sudden nintendo thinks they own the world.. I could care less, they struck out in a new direction and I pray that sony doesnt become enviable of nintendo and begin to concentrate on the casual market.. Nothing nintendo makes these days has any appeal to me whatsoever..

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gamingdroid2113d ago

I don't see that being cocky at all. It actually drives home their strategy all along.

Is the unique features of the Wii, Wii-U or 3DS following the trends of the competition or innovation?

It clearly is innovation, and Nintendo by far is the company ahead of all others. That said, I'm curious about the Wii U.... what is it's online strategy?

-Alpha2113d ago (Edited 2113d ago )

I agree, the title makes it sound like something more arrogant than is the case.

Nintendo simply does things differently and does not follow their competitors in the traditional sense, that is all they are saying. They aren't after the same market and are doing things in an alternative manner.

DragonKnight2113d ago

It actually is cockiness though. For one, I don't believe for a second what Reggie says. The gaming industry is VERY competitive, and Nintendo would be foolish to completely disregard what Sony and MS are doing. But also, this subtle arrogance is most assuredly based on the numbers of Wii consoles sold and the assumption they can make lightning strike twice with essentially the same thing. Casual gamers by nature won't buy a WiiU if the only real difference is graphics and a controller.

Core gamers likely won't buy WiiU for the same reason ironically.

But this is all assumption. I still think it's arrogance.

-Alpha2113d ago (Edited 2113d ago )

^ I don't think it's arrogance because he isn't talking down the competition, he is simply stating that Nintendo has a completely different mindset. They are the other side of the same coin, but they aren't traditionally the same as a 360 or PS3, nor do they seem to want to be.

Now, surely Nintendo can and does learn from the competition, but the product they have is dependent on their own strategies, more so than Sony vs MS

N4g_null2112d ago

You are so right. To clarify this is what they have always done, focus on game play experience not hype or other marketing tricks like extra "feature". If you notice all feature are for gaming purposes only. Watch how weak Sony is if they do not have another media format to jump start sales.

The reason for the wii sales was because people like playing the games. With the ps3 and Xbox people tend to like watching these games. The only hook they really have is letting the gaming community find a reason online to keep playing.

If you guys where really trying out nintendos new engines and game play you would see they have every thing they need to do he gaming way better simply from a game play standard. The reason why these games are rehashed with out a need for online play is because the game play has been perfected to a point of addiction. It's not the graphics or story but how and why you play.

I know online is important to a lot of gamers but many of you ignored the good wii games yet now you won't have too many excuses any more. Last story, x blade, and pandora tower are very dark games with very strong game play components that will be much like killzone and uncharted for Nintendo. Also we will see grasshopper hd games and treasure hd games along with a Mario galaxy etc made with no limits almost.

A little dirty secret is the wiiu is going to make development faster simply because it has the power to do what games need right out of the box. No tweaking, secret sauce. Just a bunch of do.

Hype is a marketing trick. Bad mouthing ends when you have the gear in front of you with the art and game play. That is the wii effect.

moparful992112d ago

You might not see it as cockiness but it is.. Nintendo has a history of cockiness and that got them in trouble with the core gamers..

You say that they march to the beat of their own drum yet when announcing the WII U they were trumpeting how the wii is much more powerful then the ps3 and the 360.. If they weren't so worried about sony or microsoft then why are they pushing hd and specs all of a sudden?? They didn's seem to care about hd with the wii.

Their online is atrocious(friend codes. WTF?) Heck they had to release an add on attachement to fix the jumpy, innacurate motion controls.. But of course you convienently turn a blind eye to those problems...

@Gamingdroid You say their innovation is far ahead of other companies but provide nothing to back that claim up.. Motion controls? Sony had been working on that since the begining of the ps2 era. Online? microsoft gets credit for that despite the ps2's efforts. HD? sony takes that one. Hard drives? again microsoft. Digital content? Microsoft and sony are both at the forefront in that area. Nintendo hasnt had an original ideas worthwhile since the 64.. I invite you to dispute my claims but you know I am right.. BTW don't say 3d, sony is one of the biggest proponents of 3d.. Sony even the largest manufacturer of 3d cinema and tv cameras..

gamingdroid2112d ago

@moparful99

I'm talking about innovation that has an impact. It's meaningless to have "innovation" in a lab if it never sees the light of day and even more so when applied to grand ideas as many companies undoubtedly do all forms of research they don't tell you.

In light of that:

* 3D: Sony is a big supporter, but by no means the only one.

* Motion Control: Nintendo by far popularized that.

* Online Networks: MS popularized that on consoles by far, but it exist on PC and on Dreamcast.

* HD: I don't see how Sony takes that one, when MS was the first to introduce HD capable console to the greater market. That said, it really isn't innovative, more natural progression. If Sony or MS didn't do it, Nintendo eventually would.

* Hard drive: MS, but I see it more as a natural progression (more than innovation) from memory card.

* Digital Content: Hardly new idea (and therefore not really innovative in the grand scheme of things), but certainly MS was at the forefront.

However, I consider Nintendo a very much a disruptor and innovator. All their devices are very unique and always provides very unique game play mechanics. The DS with touch screen and dual screens way before that was the norm. The 3DS, a first for a handheld. Even Sony didn't follow. The Wii and now the Wii-U. Heck even the history of the game controller, Nintendo by far is the only one that constantly changes it.

***I invite you to dispute my claims but you know I am right..***

You can never win an argument with someone that isn't even open to a discussion.

That is what fanboys tend to do....

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StanSmith2113d ago (Edited 2113d ago )

LMAO!

Move & Kinect say hello! Nintendo are focusing on their own business rather than worring what the competitors are doing.

This is something both Nintendo and Sony can be praised for. They focus on where they make their money. While Sony looked to make an impact with Move, it is far from their main focus. When you worry too much about what others are doing, you lose focus. *cough, Microsoft, cough.*

@gamingdroid

I suggest you re-read what i said. I said Sony looked to make an impact. I never said Move made any impact.

Microsoft has lost focus. I purchased an Xbox to play games. Exclusive games. Not Kinect repeated fitness games. Not to use it as an Cable-box. It was first & foremost a "hardcore" games console. Not anymore.

The Wii is in decline? So what? WiiU is due this year!

Sony is stagnent? Are you serious? That's why they're close to overtaking MS in sales even with Microsofts lead. Microsoft is stuffed next gen. More people are moving to PS3 because it is the only place to get high quality HD exclusive games now.

gamingdroid2113d ago (Edited 2113d ago )

LOL...

So MS focuses on pushing new things to consoles, they are losing focus. When Sony follows Nintendo with PS Move, it is attempting to make an impact.

Regardless of your flaw in logic, what "impact" has PS Move actually made?

***They focus on where they make their money.***

Ironically, MS is focusing on where they are making money and that is on the casual market. Why do you think Wii is in decline and Sony is in basically stagnation?

Jobesy2113d ago (Edited 2113d ago )

@gamingdroid, Sony never stopped releasing core games. Core games have always been #1 for Sony. Can MS say the same?

And Sony is in anything but stagnation. Their YOY sales keep increasing since the PS3 released, every year they keep bringing AAA title after AAA title. They just released a monster of a handheld with great launch lineup...But yeah, they're stagnant : |

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StanSmith2112d ago

@objective

Try reading what i said again. I didn't praise Move. (For the record, Home is a waste of resources too).

Let me break this down for people as it seems N4G has a high amount of people who can't read.

Sony came into this Gen focused on the hardcore. They are still focused on the hardcore.

Nintendo entered this Gen with a focus on having the Wii being accessible to all kinds of players and they still are doing that.

Microsoft entered this Gen focused on the Hardcore. Here we are, a few years later, and they have abandoned the core in favour of crappy fitness and children's games on kinect. Two or three exclusives a year doesn't cut it after the amount of exclusives at the beginning of this Gen from MS. Sorry but getting Exclusives on DLC does not cut it.

So yes, Microsoft have lost focus. Sony & Nintendo never abandoned any market from the beginning of this gen. Microsoft did. I don't play fanboy games on here. I own all three. I'm just saying what i see.

Why o why2112d ago (Edited 2112d ago )

Mario i agree with what your saying 100 but some people feel that multis are the main thing now... They point to how cod is the biggest selling game on the ps, they point to how having all of those exclusives hasnt helped sony move ahead of ms. They say 8month gaps in exclusives are ok. It used to be so different but i guess thats what happenes when the shoes on the other foot. None of these manufacturers are perfect but one has definitely switched focus but to be fair some of their fans are fine with the slim pickings in exclusives because some actually like more kinect games being announced than core especially when theres multis for ms to rely on.. I definitely have issues with that but thats me. Nintendo have been consistant throughout this gen then sony then ms. You compare the 360s first year to now and theres a much bigger diffence than the other 2 imo.

SkyGamer2112d ago

I know that there aren't many exclusives for X360 Now. Maybe that is ramping up support for the Next Box. Who knows. Think of it this way. How did ps2 become so successful? Was it because it was a well made system? No. I've been through 45 ps2's. Over 90 percent the dvd player part went bad. Then talk about ps1 games no longer working. I still had ps2 because of the games. Not first party games but third party games.

Now think of this business strategy. Why make a slew of first party games that barely sell with some selling a couple mil, still have to account for all the dev costs for all the games, or let third partty make the games while you have no liability and still make buttloads of cash? MS thinking overall global market, yes it sucks for us core people. Even as a core gamer, how many games do we buy? How many of them are used? Now how many casual out there that will pay for online microtransactions? Entertainment? Just a thought.

We want core, we need to buy the games.

Why o why2112d ago

at sky gamer. if we make excuses for any of these multi billion x company's then we're asking to be taken advantage of even more next gen than this one. We're gamers and they should provide for us as well as their shareholders. ms make k killing off live and what not so surely they can provide a little more than they do. Yes the casuals are important and theres more of them so i understand why ms wants in but is it really too much to put our wants first by wanting more.

You mentioned ms may be ramping up for next gen. Who are they ramping up with. most of their few studios are more casual than core so where are these next next gen games coming from. Throwing money at devs early on and the head start worked but if the consoles release within a few weeks or months what happens then. multis will always be there but i feel some not all but some have seen ms tactic of doing a lot to get fans they switching to doing just enough as a shallow tactic. why boast about all that money then provide less back than those who are supposedly making less and releasing more games that only sell x y or z

moparful992112d ago

@gamingdroid I know that you like to think of the move as a failure but attach rates for a mostly casual device on a "core" focused system were never going to be world beating.. The kinect is capitalizing on the causals appeal for the "NEXT BIG THING" gimmick.. Microsoft has turned its collective back on the very people who allowed them to survive the sony onslaught.. Microsoft proclaimed how "Xbox 360 is the entertainment destination for the core gamer" then they turn around and release 2 AAA titles 8 months apart and push kinect shovelware down our throats... Its plain as day that microsoft cares not for their fanbase but rather who has the most money in their pockets... Sony, despite a huge deficit and small catalog of exclusives has managed to come storming back and closed the WW gap and are in position to overtake microsoft. They have delivered YoY with the best exclusives lineup and continually increasing value.. Sony has far from stagnated..

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Bundi2113d ago

Catch up? Whatcha talkin bout Willis?
Lets not get cocky Ninty, lets not go the "next generation doesn't start until wii say so" route.
Man, thinking back on it, those SONY bigwigs must have been on a really big HIGH off of PS2 success. Can you imagine the arrogance it takes to say something so insulting to the competition? But oh how the mighty have fallen. *cackle*

metsgaming2113d ago

With the media's definition of gaming competitors then yes Nintendo does care, alot. Thats why the wiiu controller looks like a tablet with buttons on it.

metsgaming2113d ago (Edited 2113d ago )

to the disagrees, you really dont think Nintendo is doing this to capitalize on the rising popularity of tablets? come on now of course they are. So if the tablets take over like the media wants this will be the only real gaming option to survive lol

edit: Well they said you can turn of the tv and use it like at tablet, with real controls. Which i find is 1 million times better than tablets. I really think this can convert tablet people because its so similar but this has actual controls and real games and i believe Nintendo thinks this aswell. Yea it can be used like a 3ds/ds but i think they should try and focus more on the idea above more it will win over people.

StanSmith2113d ago

I'll be honest, i disagreed. Only because when i look at the WiiU, i see it as an extention of the DS/3DS. It looks like it is trying to bring the features of the DS to the Home Consoles. I don't see it as a reaction to tablets at all.

TruthSeeker2112d ago

"We don't care what the gaming competitors are doing" #bullshit

DivineHand1252112d ago (Edited 2112d ago )

you guys are throwing what Reggie meant out of context. What he meant was that they don't care what direction their competitors are going could be cable box, 3d, home entertainment etc. What they at nintendo is interesting in giving an experience to their fans that is new, fun and interesting.

Tommykrem2112d ago (Edited 2112d ago )

Agree, and they have made a billion statements regarding the other compaines, but maybe they don't care anymore.... That'd be a bit stupid really. If he wants to do something new and interesting then he has to make sure it actually is new and interesting.

princejb1342112d ago (Edited 2112d ago )

their definitely been cocky, they proved graphics aint everything since the wii sold twice as much as the ps3 and 360
im happy for you nintendo but i wont be buying the wii u if you bring in the same type of games as the wii

videoxgamexfanboy2112d ago

and exactly how are they playing catch up when the wii has outsold both 360 and ps3? if u mean playing catch up in the graphics dept then u may have a point but then i say to u if graphics are whats important then how is the wii the leading console with the worst graphics? nin is not playing catch up sony and ms are with all this motion control crap. lol playing catch up that was cute...btw the pc's graphics says hi to the ps3 and 360's graphics

showtimefolks2112d ago

no wonder why so many 3rd party publishers are scared to trust nintendo unless its a kids party or exercise game, and even at that kinect has beaten nintendo

i have not bought a nintendo console in a long time and wii-u won't change that. I like my standard xbox360 and ps3 controllers, i don't need one with a screen or touch controls. end of the day gaming is at its best when you have an actual controller with actual buttons and no gimmicks.

wii was one hit wonder so if nintendo doesn't do it right than both ms and sony will do better come next gen consoles

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Christopher2113d ago

Any semi-intelligent person: Yes you do. If you don't, you're an idiot and shouldn't be running a company.

LOGICWINS2113d ago

It's just PR talk. Obviously its not true.

http://kotaku.com/204403/so...

Sony has said the same thing, but that doesn't mean that they're idiots.

Christopher2113d ago

Yeah. But, even for PR, talk, it's as if they're treating us as idiots. I'd rather they have PR talk that at least tried to communicate with us as if we weren't idiots.

LOGICWINS2113d ago

"Yeah. But, even for PR, talk, it's as if they're treating us as idiots."

Somehow I'm not offended by it. It sounds more like common sense to me. It would look even worse if Reggie admitted that Nintendo IS looking towards Microsoft and Sony with regards to Wii U development.

Christopher2113d ago

***Sony has said the same thing, but that doesn't mean that they're idiots.***

Neither Nintendo or Sony are idiots, but they treat us like idiots.

"Only on PS3"
"The future begins when we say it does"

Companies need to learn to communicate with their audience in a much better manner. A manner that doesn't make it look like they're out of touch with the consumers and their competition.

It would have meant a lot more to me if he had said that the progresses being made by Microsoft and Sony were not something they were concerned with as they move forward with the Wii U.

WrAiTh Sp3cTr32113d ago

"Any semi-intelligent person: Yes you do. If you don't, you're an idiot and shouldn't be running a company."

I don't see how anyone can say such a thing about a company that has done so well for themselves this gen.

N4g_null2112d ago

Wow how do you get your an idiot out of what they said lol. They are not following any one. They are simply trying to out do last years Nintendo output.

It's just like how video game stories keep ignoring good story telling lol. Just kidding. Innovation is not always listen to you audience because if they knew what they all wanted they would own a gaming company. Sony and ms biggest problem is ideas from the community that effects all gamers. With Nintendo you get to vote on what you like by buying it. Not by how popular a news story is lol.

People talking online means nothing when you have people buying.

The only way you make your self look like an idiot is by ignoring what they really did to give your favorite company a free pass. Just look at the 3ds. The price was ok to tech people but not their core buyers gamers that game more than they work. This will be a problem again yet if the interface is apple quality it will work well with the gameplay engines they have and the new hd talent they are gaining.

Megaman_nerd2112d ago

you digging out that from the depths of the internets reminded me when Nintendo lost the FF exclusivity and Yamauchi came up and said that only "loners" play RPGs. Man the Nintendo of old was so different from the one today... I miss them. They are still just as arrogant but is not the same. ;_;

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gamingdroid2113d ago (Edited 2113d ago )

Of course they are, but I think it more reflects that Nintendo isn't a follower so they don't create features as a response to the competition.

edit:

***But, even for PR, talk, it's as if they're treating us as idiots. I'd rather they have PR talk that at least tried to communicate with us as if we weren't idiots.***

I don't see how they are treating us like idiots? At least that isn't my reaction....

Christopher2113d ago (Edited 2113d ago )

***Nintendo isn't a follower so they don't create features as a response to the competition. ***

Everyone does this. Even the Wii U is in response to tablets. The horrid DS attachment with an extra analog in response to the PSVita and the hardcore gamers desires for dual analogs.

***I don't see how they are treating us like idiots? At least that isn't my reaction....***

Someone who thinks they can just say whatever they want and expect me to accept it without thought... they're treating me like an idiot.

If I pee on you and tell you it's raining, do you not feel like I'm treating you like an idiot or do you just accept it?

gamingdroid2113d ago

***If I pee on you and tell you it's raining, do you not feel like I'm treating you like an idiot or do you just accept it?***

That is such a ridiculous statement it doesn't deserve a response. I'm sure you could do better.

Insert coin, try again.

***Someone who thinks they can just say whatever they want and expect me to accept it without thought... they're treating me like an idiot. ***

Only an idiot doesn't think about what others say so if anything, you are doing it to yourself.

***Then he needs to learn to communicate that better. When you say "we don’t care what the gaming competitors are doing" you send a message that you will make decisions not based on their successes or failures because you don't care.***

Nintendo are saying, we want to deliver a great experience. How is that not making decision based on failures or success?

***Everyone does this. Even the Wii U is in response to tablets. The horrid DS attachment with an extra analog in response to the PSVita and the hardcore gamers desires for dual analogs.***

Then clearly Nintendo are looking at the competitors according to you?

I think you are putting too much thought into. All I got from it is, we don't have "kneejerk" reactions and I whole heartedly see that from Nintendo time and time again.

I would love to hear your comments, when Sony was arrogant and said, consumers will work extra to buy a PS3. Yet you went out and bought the PS3.... Sony WAS treating you like an idiot!

Christopher2113d ago (Edited 2113d ago )

***That is such a ridiculous statement it doesn't deserve a response. I'm sure you could do better. ***

Well, at least one of us can. If you chose to just make blanket statements about "No, he's not" and then not responding to an analogy, however poor you think it to be, then that's not really doing anything to support your side of the debate.

***Nintendo are saying, we want to deliver a great experience. How is that not making decision based on failures or success? ***

Because you also have to look forward, and looking forward means knowing what your competitors are doing and making sure they're not doing something that would adversely affect your own goals. This is standard for all businesses, they look at the many factors that affect their business and its growth/stability, which includes what other businesses in the same field are doing. Not just what they have done.

***Then clearly Nintendo are looking at the competitors according to you? ***

Of course they are.

I didn't say they weren't, I said that anyone who says they aren't is treating me like an idiot.

***I would love to hear your comments, when Sony was arrogant and said, consumers will work extra to buy a PS3. Yet you went out and bought the PS3.... Sony WAS treating you like an idiot!***

I've said on many occasions that Sony is idiotic in their comments and PR. Many many many times.

I also didn't buy a PS3 at release. I bought it when the price went down with the 80GB bundles.

I also owned a 360 before I bought a PS3, and I even paid more for it than I did my PS3, not including having to buy various accessories for it.

Don't try and make me out to be a fanboy or someone who's just trying to say Sony isn't arrogant or idiotic. They are. But, that's not some big secret on N4G, it's mentioned at least once a day here. That also doesn't mean that Nintendo or Microsoft can't be arrogant, Sony doesn't own the market on it (though, they sometimes make it look like they do).

Hicken2113d ago

You're so very good at only responding to what you WANT to respond to, and doing it only HOW you want to do it.

Obviously, peeing on you is an exaggeration, but the message should be clear enough: when you tell someone something that's obviously untrue, but you treat them as if they should believe that it IS true, you're treating that person like an idiot. If I made you a grilled cheese sandwich, right in front of you, and then swore to God it was peanut butter and jelly, I'd be treating you like an idiot.

It's actually part of people's nature to accept things they're told, especially from figures seen to be an authority of some sort. Ever heard of the Milgram experiment? Here's a quick link for you, in case you haven't. http://en.wikipedia.org/wik...

Nintendo isn't saying "We want to deliver a great experience." Nintendo is saying "We don't care what gaming the competitors are doing." YOU assume what they mean by that. Which is exactly what they want you to do. They tell you what they want you to hear, and you make up your own mind what it means, based on your own inherent bias. (Not saying you're a fanboy of any sort; we all see things with a certain tint of bias. In this case, yours is tilted to "hear" that Nintendo is saying something other than what they said.)

Yes, Nintendo IS looking at its competitors. That's why it's a slap in the face for them to say this: we look RIGHT at them as they do it, and yet they tell us they're not doing it. "Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain."

And, finally, you treat cgoodno as if he bought a PS3 and accepted Sony's words- those that were arrogant- as truth. What's more, you're assuming he took the same stance with those words that you now take with Nintendo's: that they are, despite all evidence to the contrary, the truth.

gamingdroid2113d ago (Edited 2113d ago )

@Hicken

***Obviously, peeing on you is an exaggeration, but the message should be clear enough: when you tell someone something that's obviously untrue, but you treat them as if they should believe that it IS true, you're treating that person like an idiot. If I made you a grilled cheese sandwich, right in front of you, and then swore to God it was peanut butter and jelly, I'd be treating you like an idiot.***

That is a terrible analogy. Why do people come up with the most ridiculous analogies?

... I can do it too. If I made you a grilled cheese sandwich, and told you it is, but you insist it isn't? Who is the idiot?

Nintendo simply said they aren't looking to their competition to drive their "innovative agenda" and as far as I can tell, it doesn't look they are, in any reasonable measure.

***It's actually part of people's nature to accept things they're told, especially from figures seen to be an authority of some sort.***

There is no authority involved here as he has no power over me. Reggie's comment aligns with the products and experiences they have delivered in the last 5-10 years. Even looking into the future, their product is pretty much easily distinguishable.

I guess if you distill it down to, it has buttons, there fore it copied the competition then everything is copied. The overall direction though is not.

That said, now you are treating me like an idiot simply because of some study and assume it applies to me. See... I can do it to!

***Not saying you're a fanboy of any sort; we all see things with a certain tint of bias. In this case, yours is tilted to "hear" that Nintendo is saying something other than what they said.***

Words only have meaning when humans place a meaning on them, but for some reason, people are jumping all over Nintendo for what I consider a rather benign comment.

It's not like Nintendo is saying [email protected] about the competition (or the consumer), but rather only we don't follow them. It's not like consumers are being directly insulted like the how we will work extra to buy a PS3 or we intentionally made it hard to program for so it will last longer. That is a direct insult to the consumer.

Can Nintendo word it better? Sure... but I don't see them treating us as "idiots" at all or intended that way. If anything, they are just showing confidence in their own ability.

Christopher2113d ago

***That is a terrible analogy. Why do people come up with the most ridiculous analogies? ***

The original is from Jamaica and is "Don't piss down my back and tell me it's raining." The more common use is "Don't piss on my leg and tell me it's raining."

It's an extremely old phrase and means don't call me an idiot.

ChickeyCantor2113d ago (Edited 2113d ago )

" The horrid DS attachment with an extra analog in response to the PSVita and the hardcore gamers desires for dual analogs. "

Actually, it's more likely that feature came as a request from Capcom. Due the fact that they are developing MonsterHunter 4. And since other developers could benefit from it...I see no reason why Nintendo would decline it.

N4g_null2112d ago

Cg is it possible that you are jaded by the many lies that current hd gaming became? Constant promises and hype that always fell thur? If you paid attention to what Nintendo does over the last few gen instead of what some obvious fan believes then you see they use what ever tech is available and affordable to its target market, which is every one that wants to game.

There is no magical tech just sound tech at a good price. Nothing trumps the game with Nintendo. None of their competitors think this way. Which is why they need gimmicks rather that a true game at its core.

If you don't understand this then your feeling of idiotness is simply ethier you trying to find fualt or simply hearing what you want. You seem to have a problem with the narrative that Nintendo is coming up with new ways to fuel the gaming industry while maintaining their old ideas also.

Christopher2112d ago (Edited 2112d ago )

***Cg is it possible that you are jaded by the many lies that current hd gaming became?***

Not sure I get you. I'm a person who is very happy with the current landscape of gaming. I game on my PS3, 360, iPad, PSP, and DS.

My issue is in them continuing to put out statements that really aren't true. When I see a comment from a representative of the company, I want to feel like he can actually talk to me like a human being and not just make exaggerated statements that are supposed to give a feeling of them being 'superior' or 'confident' in every way possible.

Give me honesty and treat me with respect. Don't just spout out claims that aren't true and most of us know they aren't true. Nintendo does care about what their competitors are doing. Sony doesn't decide when the next-gen starts. Microsoft isn't the solution to everyone's home entertainment center.

***Wow how do you get your an idiot out of what they said lol. ***

I didn't say I was an idiot, but these type of comments are treating us like we are idiots. Like I said, they're making false statements and thinking we will believe them. I'm a more intelligent consumer than he is treating me, and I don't like being treated like a consumer who isn't intelligent enough to understand that every business cares about what their competitors are doing.

Honestly, whenever Sony or one of the developers says that their game is "only possible on PS3", don't you feel like they're being dishonest? I mean, really, all games can be made on any platform. Sure, their will be slight differences in some of the graphical elements, but otherwise they will have the same gameplay, mechanics, and at least similar graphics. And that's not even mentioning putting them on the PC, which is more than capable of handling anything the PS3 can.

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RememberThe3572113d ago (Edited 2113d ago )

I think they mean it differently than we take it. Of course they'll watch what the trends of the industry are, but when it comes to their long-term business plan they can't make knee-jerk decisions. If you look at the Wii, Nintendo didn't make it because of what someone else was doing, they made it to differentiate themselves. When you look at Sony they have done things(price drops, hardware redesigns, etc...) on their own time when it worked for them. But we also saw MS and Sony green light projects they had in R&D when they saw the success of Wii motion controls.

It's about working within your business plan and not making split second decisions base on what your competitors are doing that could be disastrous to your business. It's smart to focus more on what YOUR customers want more than what the competitors customers want.

Christopher2113d ago

Then he needs to learn to communicate that better. When you say "we don’t care what the gaming competitors are doing" you send a message that you will make decisions not based on their successes or failures because you don't care.

ronin4life2113d ago

Exactly.
@cgoodno
Exactly.^_^; That's the thought I had when I watched this interview, because I knew how people would react.

Megaman_nerd2113d ago

And some people say that they don't like Sony because they arrogant. >_>

LOGICWINS2113d ago

Sony is guilty of saying the same thing as well. Why make it out to be as if Sony is a victim?

Shok2113d ago

.........this is N4G dude lol. That's why.

Christopher2113d ago (Edited 2113d ago )

I don't think he was making Sony a victim, but he was saying how some people are here to support what Nintendo is saying when it's the same as some of the stuff Sony has said but gets attacked for it.

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ronin4life2113d ago

This isn't arrogance though. It is just a polarizing individualistic statement.
He isn't saying Nintendo is better or that the others are worse, only that Nintendo does its own thing in its own way and doesn't let the market or industry completely control or dictate how they act if they happen to think differently.

Shok2113d ago

I understand what Reggie is trying to say, but yes, Nintendo does.

Game3s2112d ago

Is that you shokio o.o

Hufandpuf2113d ago

"We don't care what the gaming competitors are doing"

Clearly.