Ryan Winslett: Now, I know what a lot of you folks in the audience are saying: "Ryan, you silly goose, there's no such thing as a video game journalist. What you guys do isn't 'journalism,' dummy. All you do is copy and paste press releases."
"Dear Blog, Today I farted and I hate Sony and Vita is DOOOOOMMMEEDD and Kinect Fruit Ninja is teh best game everr and this is my top ten reasons why the top ten reasons list would be better if they only were a top 8 do to what a guy I knew in 5th grade's younger brothers dogsitter told me once last week. And tomorrow I'll finish my the PS3 will surpass the 360 with these 3 easy steps article before I do a vlog on why I hate that the 360 I got from a yardsale that RRoD on me. Also the 3DS is still doomed." -----***Uploads as NEWs to N4G from "Major Popular Site"**-------- ^^^This obviously made up pile of fail isn't directly attacking anyone person or media site, but this is what I read, what we read everyday. Garbage, poorly written by people who get off on complaining, lying, fanboying and stirring up hit articles to post ratings. I have respect for those who deserve it. And most so-called journalists in the game industry don't deserve it. You want my attention, be an Adam Sessler. If you can make me think about something and some to an intellectual level and treat me as an adult without all the flash and whining, I'll listen. I don't care about your thoughts on what will SAVE the DOOOOOMED topic at hand or why SAID GAME will FAIL. Take a look at gaming media 10 years ago and reach for that. Gaming media today has positioned itself in a spot where it sits between the Supermarket Tabloids and stuff written on subway restroom walls when it comes to factual reliabilitya and credibility.
Salient point. Too bad it has absolutely nothing to do with the article you just didn't read, which seems to be and interesting, well-written, and objective piece about real journalists who work diligently within the profession. There's plenty of stuff to complain about on N4G without having to trash quality pieces.
Agreed. I submitted this since it was actually well written and showed the overlooked side of gaming journalism that most ignore. I won't deny that gaming journalism as a whole has been on a downwards spiral quality and integrity wise but that isn't what the article is about.
coming from a unknown site wishing to be famous i guess haha
The biggest problem with Video Game Journalism is video game PR. PR in the industry is by far the worst PR to deal with across all forms of entertainment. I literally bang my head against the wall when having to deal with these people that either know nothing about the game, know nothing about the competition, know nothing about the industry, or all of the above. I absolutely HATE when people get on the back of people for writing blogs they disagree with, and calling them out as "poor journalists". A journalist's job is to REPORT the news, and NOT to provide opinion. And when they are providing opinion, it must be backed up by a source in some capacity. Opinion is really part of "citizen journalism", which isn't really journalism in the traditional sense, but it gives someone the freedom to call themselves a journalist, which is fine as long as they're able to make the same sort of sacrifices and compromises as a real journalist. But I would call someone that writes exclusively about games a "journalist", because they are more often than not reporting the news. Journalism in gaming is very restrictive because PR generally don't appreciate the passion gamers have, of which I believe is stronger than any amount of passion a film buff might have. PR is and always will be the biggest hurdle in video game journalism. The quicker publishers get rid of arrogant reps that only deal with their friends and people that talk favorably about their products, it'll be a big step towards a better all-round journalism effort from the gaming community. I LOVE this quote: "The problem with the games industry is that the major sources are so ridiculously guarded." Ridiculous is an understatement. Interviewing Iwata was the most exciting, and most frustrating moment of my life. Three PR reps, a marketing manager and some Japanese minders. It was awful. How am I supposed to build a connection when I am being watched over like a hawk, and I'm given strict guidelines NOT to talk about the most tedious, irrelevant of things?
That's because most game journalists aren't journalists and aren't meant to be journalists. If you want to be a journalist, you don't need to wait for the game companies to give you the info you want. You will find something to write about, research it, and present it to the world. The issues that the video game industry faces is the exact same as for TV and Movies, yet those journalists have been succeeding for a lot longer than the video game industry. What you think of as 'respect' isn't really going to happen since you are just as limited in the scope of information you receive and must spend more time writing more opinion-derived articles. The problem is that everyone has an opinion and can throw it up on the Web and call themselves a video game journalist. I hope you are not defending these 'journalists' but instead are defending those who write as journalists rather than sensationalists or for the hits.
Respect is earned, you don't just asked for it.
Well said,sir. + Bubbles for you.
Do you want respect with articles with doomed as the last word?
Until there is game journalist who goes out there into the field, posing undercover as a tester at a company; finding a way into gamestop corporate offices, exposing marketing teams, review scores; etc etc...they will always be a joke. it was a nice article but unless someone steps up and does something other than relay press releases and create sensationalistic doom and gloom articles, for the most part you will be seen as a joke. getting paid for it is not a bad deal though, so at least theres that
"Until there is game journalist who goes out there into the field, posing undercover as a tester at a company; finding a way into gamestop corporate offices..." You do understand the legal implications of such activity, right? Are you seriously encouraging journalists to be unscrupulous? Of course we should all try to dig a little deeper and report more accurately. But behaving in a disingenuous way to land a story is always a bad thing. Posing as a tester in order to get private access to a publisher is - unless it turns out the publisher is actually buying and selling illegal weapons on the side - a horrendous and unprofessional act that would probably land you a decent gig with The News of the World had it not closed down.
of course i am aware of legal ramifications and they dont have to do anything illegal. they can just release an insiders first hand look into parts of the industry that dont get a lot of press. power of word is how they express that, it can be positive or negative. if they find something dirty, well then good for them; either way it is at least trying to be something other than a blog poster.
You can't just pose as a tester to get insider info, though. For starters, in order to become one, you'll almost certainly have to sign an NDA. Breaking that NDA by reporting on stuff within the studio is against the law. The only way it would be okay - in the UK at least - is if a lawyer will vouch for you that your methods resulted in news that is of great public importance.
I'm slowly realizing that gaming journalism these days is a joke. No type of journalistic integrity For example, some articles that IGN makes are the same type of articles you'd see from a no-named site trying to get hits. Full of flamebait and trolling. It's just ridiculous.
"Journalism"? please, don't flatter yourselves.
"Vita and 3DS are DOOOOOOOOOOOMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMEE EEEEEEDDD because of iPhone/ipad" Consumer/reader: Where are your Iphone game reviews? "Er.....Ummmmm.....We don't have time to review games especially on iphone" Consumer/reader: Then why should I visit your site? "Something else is DOOOOMMMMMMMMMMMEEED" It's kinda funny watching Games Journalism implode on itself due to self inflicted death by 1000 cuts.
Sigh, I always laugh when I hear people complaining about gaming "journalism". 80% of the gaming writers aren't journalist, they're bloggers (and they don't deny it). We need a new word, there's a little bit of research involved, but most of the stuff being posted is opinion based or a press release sent straight from PR. Also good stuff gets posted here, the problem is most of you won't read something unless it's title is borderline absurd. I think the people who read and get worked up about the poorly written flamebait are just as bad as the writers. They keep writing crap because they know you'll keep reading it because you want something to fight about. The industry can improve, but you need to take a stand, it won't improve if everyone keeps feeding into the noise. Also there's always the option of starting your own site if you're sick of all the low quality articles. But there's a chance you might become tempted to write a questionable article when you watch all your intelligent & well-written pieces bomb with readers. While one paragraph crap articles are reaching 1000 degrees. It's all about finding a balance really, you have to write what people want to read, but at the same time you need to set guidelines.
Until game sites review a game solely on its merits and not on how much advertising money they receive, they don't deserve much respect. I'm looking at you MW3.
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