GR: "Sales were well under half of what Square Enix expected, the price has fallen like a rock, and trade-ins are rampant. From the looks of things, Final Fantasy XIII-2 isn't the comeback S-E was hoping for."
Square Enix- YOU DESTROYED final fantasy,now face the consuqences!!!
Oh yeah they're really feelin it. Over 600k may not be as much as FF13, but is in no way bad. It's still really good compared to a lot of other games for their first weeks.
You got all those disagrees form people trying to will Square Enix into failure. Try a little harder guys, maybe if your a little more delusional, close your eyes, plug your ears and screen loudly, you wont have to face Square Enix still receiving unwarranted success. I think it's time for people to stop caring about games they supposedly hate. 600k is a really good number and no one here should really care. If you do, get a life and you'll realize how stupid you were when you gave a shit how much FF 13-2 sold.
Want to compare: FF XIII = 1.5m sales in first week FF XIII-2 = 600k in first week Really frontloaded game, after the week of release these games go down like a rock, so yeah, XIII-2 doing bad and it's SE fault, they deserve it.
@sikbeta They deserve it? How do you figure? stop being ignorant
Us fans of Squaresoft that have been around to see the golden era of RPG gaming are willing them to fail, because theyre lazy now...they focus on makign a quick buck rather than making a great game using the same formula they used to back in the 8bit an 16bit eras and even through the PS1 and PS2. Square isnt "failing", they just dont hold their games to a high standard anymroe, and theyre getting the sales they deserve. 600k first week isnt bad at all though this is true. Its just terrible compared to their past releases.
I dont even think it's a money grab. FFXIII had a lot of production value, high quality visuals, and tight gameplay. I just think their general direction for these new FF games are just simply... bad. Could be an unwillingness to grow out of their traditions, or that their tastes are just out of touch with the consumers'.
In a way it was a money grab. The producer even said they had all these characters and assets, it would be a waste to not use them again.
@Mister_V Its an unwillingness to grow out of their traditions that hurt them, its that they willingly left their traditions behind for money. They went in a new direction with 13 to make it more westernized to get people's money instead of making a game like the ones people loved in the past. Hell, the theme song "My Hands" alone was a good enough hint. And remember in past articles with 13, that they "cut enough content to make another game"... If they stuck to their traditions and made quality games like they did in the past, things might be a bit different.
You don't understand though. In its own right 600k first week is a great number but when you look at the franchises sales history this is a big decline for the series and when the game releases worldwide NA and EU will see sales drops like this as well. I was a huge FF and Squaresoft/ Square Enix fan but FF 13 was pure shit, SE only released a few titles on the PS3 this generation, like 2 or 3 titles and this long wait for FFV13 which in all honesty doesn't look that great either( my mind will change when I see that world map)is a definite fall from grace for SE. I won't even buy FF13-2 when its on sale for 10 euros. Fuck that, we should have had FFV13 first before this trash
@ bobby so any game with a sequel is a money grab?? Lots of money goes into making those new CGI's new towns basically everything they have to do. @ everyone else, i think square enix is the last to "deserve" this sure they are trying different things and what not but by any means look at the companies comming out of here, AC, COD (obvious) i mean these are the companies that are straight out just rehashing there video game to get that quick buck. those of you who actually finished the FF13 the story wasnt that bad. Far better then 80% of the other games we have on the market. So lets get real here . Peace and love bizznatches!
Over 600k is not the worst ever but it is not good either consider RPG is pretty big and popular in Asia and Japan. Just like Shooter here in NA or football(soccer) in EU. I said it shows that even the fans in Japan didn't like the game much. How long will it take for them to realize that the fans aren't happy with them or their game? I agree with a lot people here, I think is time for SE to make a change, rethink their strategy. Maybe have someone else direct the game.....I miss the old SQ.
to be perfectly honest...before FFXIII first came out, I was excited for it because i thought itd start the new generation of RPG gaming off with a BANG. It wasnt until i saw the Moogle in the guy's afro in a teaser where i was like ... OK! Theyve gone bavk to their roots! a moogle is WIN no matter what! Well much to my dismay it was just a red herring mean to mislead us and make us think that they were indeed going back to their roots...but that moogle was the ONLY thing that kept it close to home. They need to go the way of FFIX...it wasnt for EVERYONE, but it stuck to the FF lore of a 4 party system and traditional jobs, and it was heavy on the moogles chocobos and all other traditional FF characteristics. Now theyve strayed way way far from what made us like FF games in the first place...i was so excited to see that moogle, and aws disappointed that that waws the only taste of the magical FF we used to know...they did a great job with the Chocobos though.
I think this is more a direction of the Japanese games industry. Most big franchises are now slowly declining and so is that industry.
If SEdid not let MS mess with XIII & resisted that temptation to gimp down the whole game to fit in for the 360. None of this should have happened. The way Japn see's it XIII -2 is just one big expandion pack that should have been in the first game at first. Poor Japan I hope you learn your lessons.
@Mottsy LMAO I got the platinum for FF13. I did more than just beat the story and the story was pure trash. Forgettable characters, mindless combat that envolves pressing X repeatedly, long boring linear story that was all over the place and as someone who played FF 5,6,7,8,9,10,10-2,12,13 and Crystal chronicles, the story is by far the worst in the franchise. Yes way worse than FF10-2 and Crystal chronicles on the gamecube. @Trebius Chocobo. That was a chocobo chick in his afro. The moogles the white flying teddybear thing in FF13-2
@ GED Worse thenn X-2 and chronicles are you drunk and high? The only thing holding this game downn was how linear it is. Battle system was new , and it wasn't the best idea but at least they are trying new things. Western games are taking over and these Jrpgs are trying to adapt to change it to this crowd. Sure we still got the classic studios that stick to their roots. But this is business you have to change and keep innovating. So go right ahead and jump on the over exaggerated band wagon that this game was trash. New yes, could of been better? yes Complete garbage? Defintly not! /rant
"Toriyama is interested in using first-person shooter games for inspiration rather than other role-playing video games," source: http://n4g.com/news/914819/...
I call it "The COD effect" its been affecting more and more games lately.
That's just sad.
I was wrong... don't fire Wada, fire Toriyama instead. He's freaking killing the franchise that Sakaguchi built. -_-
... but Toriyama directed FF XIII and it was relatively well received both by critics and in sales.
Well, think about it this way. In all the bad that's coming out of this, there's one good thing that's certain. There won't be a Final Fantasy XIII-3.
there will still be #3!
SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER Apparently there's a "To Be Continued..." screen for one of the endings, so either they've got some serious post-plot DLC coming, or there's a number three already in the works.
already in the works? oh I thinks it's done or almost done! since going to the 360, they've planned to milk XIII to dry!
there will be a ff13-3 the true ending ( after getting all fragments ) will convince you of that. anyway that was a nice game ..but quite easy ...
possible that the dlc will expand on the ending, not warranting a third game?
Let's just hope it's DLC.
SE needs a serious wake up call with FF series, i mean they are letting the devs do a great job with reboot of tome raider and dues ex was awesome. Wada wake up dawg before they fire your ass. how could you announce ff13 versus and we have gotten the sequel for 13 but no news on versus? instead of calling it ff13 versus it should be called FF14 or a actual number since the name ff13 has been tainted but 600k isn't bad, let's see once it launches world wide maybe sales will pick up. From what i read ff13-2 has improved a lot on everything that FF13 did wrong so why the low sales? are people just fed up with ff13 name? or has SE done enough bad to FF name where people are starting to not give a damn? also disagree all you want with this statement. SE have many FF games from last gens that they should either remake in hd or give a hd collection of some sort because that's guaranteed money
Maybe people are tired of "movie" games.
I'm not, I'm tired of the games you speak of that have no interesting story to tell. MGS series for instance, one of my favourites for that purpose
Maybe the japanese finally got tired of effeminate men in leading roles. Nah..
after playing buying ff13 you best believe im not getting any of your games for a while but you still have hope give me kingdom hearts 3, or hopefully versus 13 is worth my money
Can you say worst title ever?
The price of the first game (13) dropped like a rock a week or so after launch too. Still, it's clear this one will not sell as well, despite being a better game (or so I hear).
This is what SquareEnix gets after selling their soul to the devil!
I think in order for SE to turn FF around they'll have to release a new entry in the series (XV) and market it properly. Plus, build it the way the fans want it and turn it into the series fans once fell in love with. mini games chocobo mini games big world controllable airships memorable characters job system or something similar epic story epic villain
Which is what Versus XIII is doing, it's also headed by Tetsuya Nomura, the man who should have creative control over ALL Final Fantasy games period. You can't go wrong with the guy who created Kingdom Hearts, and all the amazing characters of Final Fantasy since FF6.
Actually, no. Tetsuya Nomura's prominent role in Final Fantasy has been in story and character design. Nomura's series, Kingdom Hearts, is an action-RPG. As well as FFvs13. It's an action-RPG. I'm not saying he's not good at creative game design at all. He's amazing. I love the Kingdom Hearts series. However, his vision is quite strictly action-RPG. And the Final Fantasy series has always been tactical turn/time based RPG. Versus is a spin-off so Nomura directing and handling core game design is perfectly okay. However I don't want Final Fantasy XV or any numbered main entry to be action-RPG.
I can see your point, and I know his roles were for story and character design in past games. I've always liked the original turn based gameplay of Final Fantasy, from 1 to 10. However, I would much rather prefer an action-rpg to the awful battle system of XIII. I would love for them to go back to 10's battle system, it was perfected in my opinion, but given that it's not a possibility, a Kingdom Hearts-esque battle system is fine by me. In my opinion though battle systems don't make a Final Fantasy. It's the story and characters that make it, and Nomura is probably the best in the business when it comes to those two things.
Considering this is the guy who's running KH into the ground, I'd say you could go wrong. None the less, Nomura is definitely Enix's best bet. KH1 is a beautiful game, I hope he can recreate that success, been a long time since I played a good Final Fantasy game. BTW he didn't create 9s, which arguably are the best ones.
How is he running Kingdom Hearts into the ground? The story is as wonderful as ever. Sure it's getting a bit more complex, but that just makes it more interesting. If you mean the fact of putting all these games on handhelds and whatnot, I do agree that is a bad move, but I also know that he's trying to bide time until Versus XIII comes out, so that he can make a proper sequel on console.
Basicaly the opposite of what FF13 is, what a true FF game is supposed to be like :) Not... A depressing, bland, boring lead character (Lightning) Annoying characters (Hope, Vanille, Snow) Transformer Summons A crappy, complicated plot that makes no sense and full of plotholes Linear gameplay Worst battle system ever (seriously whats wrong with turn base) and so on... I'm so glad it got low sales, about time Square got a wake up call, now hopefully the same will happen with the dmc reboot and RE: Operation Racoon City with Capcom
But.. but over complicated story's with depressing bland boring lead characters and annoying sidekicks is what makes it Japanese xP
IT's not the worse Fighting system ever... what ? Man some of you on n4g can seriously be sheep. Lightning acts just like Cloud from FF7. He literally has no personality for the majority of FF7.... but lightning gets bashed for being blan depressing and boring ? LMAO WOW. As if Cloud wasn't like that, hell he acts just like lightning if not even WORSE, in FF7 and the movie.
@admiralsnake- Definitely, it's the lack of voices however, that let's Cloud get away with it.
I think everyone is entitled to their very own opinion on a game or anything for that matter. And agree or not, we must respect that, no matter what. With that being said, after... what? 2 years, more or less, after FF XIII's release, I finally picked it up for $14.99 on Black Friday and just recently started playing it after finishing Skyrim. I have to throw in my 5 cents, which is probably going to be the same opinion of less than %5 of the people that actually played this game. _____________________________ ____________________ I'm still playing through it (haven't finished it yet) and I'm actually enjoying it. I just went by what everyone else had been saying about the game for the past 2 years or so and just assumed the game was a piece of shit. With playing it for myself for well over 40 hours now, I think people are blowing this game WAY out of proportions. _____________________________ ____________________ The linear level designs suck compared to the more open world feel and exploration of past and future (FF XIV) games in the series. There are minor other little things that are different slightly from previous installments, such as the leveling system, not being able to choose your party/character setup in the first portion of the game and so on. _____________________________ ____________________ I actually enjoy the characters and the story. Now Vanille can be annoying, and she is pretty stupid. But most games have their stupid characters half the time anyways, so I'm used to that already. _____________________________ ____________________ Alright, now to story and the gameplay aspect. I don't care if people disagree with me, this is my opinion based off my experiences. I think FF XIII has the best, or at least one of the best combat systems in the franchise. I like how I can concentrate more on switching between paradigms and monitoring ATB/TP gauges and choosing when I want to launch air combos and getting the enemy to stagger mode as quickly as possible. _____________________________ ____________________ Lastly, the story. It's a very simple, yet interesting story IF you can understand it. It's so much easier to understand and get into it if the players read the data journals you collect up each time you proceed in the chapter. I'll be honest I had no idea what the fuck a fal'Cie was or a l'Cie, Sanctum l'Cie, or shit, even a Pulse l'cie. Even the difference between Cacoon and Pulse I had a hard time understanding during the first few hours. I think the names they chosen for all these important plot points makes it difficult for the average, or shit, for most players to understand and then eventually care about later down the road when they're still confused. However, I do think if you can read the data journals as you go along the story and keep an open mind, I think the story is actually pretty easy to understand and it's actually pretty enjoyable to be honest. _____________________________ ____________________ In closing, is this the best Final Fantasy game ever? Absolutely not. Is it a decent~good representation of the series as a whole? It's good for its presentation, but as a whole, absolutely not. Is it even one of the best RPG's out there? I'll say no, since there are some really, really good games out there filled with exploration, mini games and more. But FF XIII, from what I've played so far, is enjoyable and it is what it is.
yeah kamikaze u just explained Versus lol. Versus needs to just drop the 13 from the title like Type 0 Did and all will be fine
Couldn't agree more with epic villain. The villain in XIII-2 is a guy that looks like a chick. I know this is normal for Final Fantasy but this is the most girly villain ever. Well maybe Kuja was worse but at least he had an ok personality and given the graphics of the time was more excusable.
That's a wake-up call right there. If they still don't get that people don't like their western plus more "action-oriented" approach... I don't know what will.
Lightning not as main character = Fail
Lightning = Fail
Why did they even make this game? 13 was mediocre at best, it did have some pretty graphics though.
The assets were already in place, the game didn't take nearly as long to develop as its predecessor. Basically a cash grab.
FF 13 - Sucked FF 13-2 - Sequel to a game that sucked? FF 14 - Sucked FF v 13 - Disappeared off the face of the earth FF Type Zero - Still Needs Localizing Face it Square is run by idiots, ever since the success of 7 all they tried to do was recreate that success by releasing games that are somewhat similar rather then being original like they used to, can see why Sakaguchi left when he did.
Theres a FF 14? Wow O.O
It was an online game. It bombed very heavily as it was littered with issues. So much so that they halted production on the game completely for quite some time.
^ I think he was being sarcastic, guy.
edit: site/browser bugged out and made me reply to a comment that I didn't click reply on.
Sakaguchi is the responsable for Square Enix current status. That whole Final Fantasy movie budget they invested back in day turned out to be a big loss (it bombed big time) which lead Squaresoft partening with Enix which lead to Square-Enix. I wouldnt mind seeying Sakaguchi going back to Square Enix to get his redemption after all he did messed up.
Quite a few things you left out. 1. Square and Enix were going to merge anyway. The movie bombing and putting Square in the poor house, made Enix not want to merge with Square(in hindsight this probably should have happened). Regardless of what happened with the movie...the merger was going to happen. This was to eliminate competition between the two in the market. 2.Sony pumped capital into Square so they would stay afloat and etc, etc...The merger still happened and Enix was the surviving corporation between the two...meaning Enix owners would receive more shares of SE, than the square owners. 3.It's true Sakaguchi messed up. but it's not entirely his fault, that's one of the risk of doing business. Square was lucky as hell back then all they had people buying games on blind faith, now they're feeling huge backlashes. The thing is "you have to know how to manage your business". SE has extremely piss poor management. Look at all the stupid moves Wada has made, and that Wada lets his employees (Toriyama) make. Sakaguchi project should have never gone as far as it did he saved the company, then virtually ended up ruining it, but the management Square/SE has doesn't help any.
Sakaguchi is also responsible for the Final Fantasy series even existing so ah...you take the good with the bad. ;)
ooh can ya imagine if tha movie that came out was advent children instead of the spirit within at the movies i think it would be alot different now
The heck? yeah, Sakaguchi almost killed Square, but Sony bailed them out, then there was the merge, Enix needed to merge because they wanted to be known outside of Japan, that's why there is this obsession to appeal the western, nobody knew them outisde of Japan before the merge...
After what he did with lost odyssey, square enix needs him this gen.
Sakaguchi doesnt like square enix or sony.
"ever since the success of 7" FF8 was better than 7 IMO. :-p
FF7 is heads and shoulders above 8..