The good press is slowly starting to trickle in for the PS3. There have been reports that Sony had submitted their PlayStation 3 for FCC approval, and now they've passed it.
Have they failed on previous attempt? Of course they have passed it, they would not have submitted it if it wouldn't pass inspection. :P
should have happened months ago, sorry pal.
Like 12 months ago!
I thought i read an artical from PS3land about this yesterday. lol
This really is the start of the trickle of good news. I mean, we can now all overlook the delay in Europe and the absurdly small release quantities and rejoice in the fact that "PlayStation 3 Passes FCC Tests!" This really is a great day to be a PS3 fan! I'm amazed that this news isn't front page on the WSJ and the lead headline for the BBC...I mean, this is the sort of information consumers have been clamoring for. Forget all other bad news, this completely changes everything! (For those on this board without the proper gene, please understand that there is "some" sarcasm to the above.)
LOL, yes we should declare this day a world holiday! BTW... I wonder how many other items passed FCC inspection today?
This the same story that confirms the Cell to be clocked at 3.2GHZ. whoo-hoo......
This is big news for anyone in the Sony Fanclub or anyone who cant wait to get a PS3 on launch day. Now we know that when we get it on Nov.17 and plug it into our tv's it will work, instead of not working at all. Now that we know these things do work, This is probably the biggest news for PS3 of the summer. And yea, production of these things has had to have been going on for at least a couple of weeks. Cause if they wait till October to do it, its not only stupid, but they are gonna have more problems than just getting it out on the launch days.
Well hell yeah what you'd all expected, that it didn't pass? Come on, this isn't even to be brought as giving good news to get ridd of all that bad news. This is a dissattisfier. It should be this way and if not the PS3 would be a big laugh anyway. Now get the demopods in the shops
is that if you liked PS3 and were going to buy one, that you wouldnt be the least concerned that they havent tested any of the systems out, just went on true guess that all of them work, then you bought one, took it home, plugged it in, and nothing worked, and the power is hooked up, HD AV cables are plugged in, and the thing wont start up. You wouldnt have a problem with that?, well then, if you thought paying 130 bucks for a 360 replacement as expensive, wait till you pay for that thing to get replaced (unless you get a warranty, which im speaking for everyone getting a PS3, that they will most likely be doing).
I have no idea how things are arranged in your country, but if the machine didn't pass the tests, they are not able to sell them. They simply may not be in the shops. If they're not in the shops, nobody can buy them and nobody will have the problems you desribe. In Europe we have 2 years full warranty by law. We don't need to buy extra warranty. If my hardware breaks down, after 1 year and 360 days even, MS has to repair or replace it for free. In USA it would be wise to get warranty on any device with high end hardware. If you didn't you can screw yourself in a major way. And urm, there is even a way to get it for free without a warranty. Say you will give the producer a bad name on every party you come, or even better say you're a journalist and will publice the story (yeah Hyperbear, even you could say that). They will offer you a free repair because they don't want bad news Furthermore, 130 bucks for repairing, well if you are too cheap to avoid buying a warranty that's still reasonably. Look what Sony charges when they repair. With the PS2 dvd drives that gave up so soon. It was almost better to just directly buy a new one. Their service wasn't as MS 360 service within one or two weeks repair or a new model. No, Sony just takes months to even look at the freaking console.
Has it seriously gotten this desperate that we're clinging to FCC reports that say the cell is ACTUALLY at 3.2ghz. Like it's not supposed to be. Sony's lost so much credibility that we need FCC reports. Sure it's a nice assurance it's just funny that people need reports just to know for a fact that Sony didn't downgrade the PS3 again.
For injecting some reality into the discussion.
i guess it depends on who you're asking that question to paul. in this particular case i don't think it was anything Sony did that merited a lack of credibility on their behalf. they've always insisted that the PS3 would operate at 3.2 ghz; it was the fanboy-driven rumors produced and spread by certain gaming sites (such as the Inquirer, Joystiq etc) that instigated the whole thing about a supposed PS3 downgrade. that Sony actually lived up to their promise in this instant shouldn't really be considered news. so the question you pose--"Has it seriously gotten this desperate that we're clinging to FCC reports that say the cell is ACTUALLY at 3.2ghz."--is merely a reflection of our own willingness to accept any and all rumors as valid.
Paul's comments are right on point, I never saw a story about M$ passing a FCC test prior to the launch of the 360, why? beacause every electronics product has to pass FCC tests prior to selling it to consumers. Also HyperBear, the FCC tests are not assurance that every PS3 will not have defects or be broken out of the box....it only means that the model as designed and the actual one tested in the lab worked properly.
This is good news for us(ps3fans). i can't wait for ps3 man! i've been waiting so long. i know ps3 will be okay. I don't know y 360fans hate ps3 so much man! i know sony wasn't in good shape but it'll be back in a moment. sony knows what they are doing and sony is a big company and they won't make something that doesn't work or something that people won't spend money on, that's y ps3 will cost alot of money because ps3 has blue-ray and the cell and alot more, that's y i'm not worry about what sony is doing because i know there doing a great jod and at the end sony and ps3fans will be the winners. but i think 360 have the best online, but we'll see though.
...it has gotten this desperate that we're clinging to FCC reports that say the cell is ACTUALLY at 3.2ghz, but why? Because some Xboxfanboys or Sonyhaters are spreading ridiculous rumors on a daily basis. There were articles saying Cell gets downgraded and there were also complete lies saying Sony said first 4.0ghz or whatever. What's desperate are such people that have a need to come up with such lies. I'm following the PS3 since the first specs were introduced and Cell was always, since day 1 clocked at 3.2ghz. Also what do you mean with downgrade again? Do you really call reducing the number of some ports a meaningful downgrade? It's a downgrade, but it's so meaningful that nobody besides some Xboxfanboys cares about it. On the other side downgrading Xbox360 from it's promised HD-DVD drive is meaningful, MS even wants now to realese a new 360 with a built inn HD-DVD. FeralPhoenix you never saw a story about M$ passing a FCC test prior to the launch of the 360 simply because there were next to none rumours that it get's downgraded. Besides that we follow different companies, there is one big difference between the MS and Sonyfanboys: While we just don't care about the 360, the MSfanboys are running hate triades releasing ridiculous rumours and flaming PS3 sites. What's stunning is that most active users here, on the PS3 section, are MSfanboys. Some of them take it way too seriously and are way too obsessed. BTW that's not what I would call good news, as it's what I expected and never put too much into the downgrade rumours. Good news is the recent RFOM review, as that's the only what counts, the games. This game is shaping to a killer app and I expect very high review ratings from this game. BTW it blows 2nd gen 360 games, as it offers things that you won't see even in 360's 2nd gen titles.
what does RFOM do that 2nd gen 360 games can't do? And is there anything that 2nd gen 360 games can do that PS3 can't do? Just a question and if you or someone can answer this I would greatly appreciate it!
ok then here you are from my point of view: 1. what does RFOM do that 2nd gen 360 games can't do? Nothing in my eyes. It looks like COD2 or COD3 with aliens added. WW II with aliens? Come on, worst storyline ever in my eyes. COD3 has even better and sharper graphics. Resistance is a straight FPS. They like it as the answer for Gears of War on the 360. Which it can never touch. Graphics aside, were Resistance will be pwned by Gears if you'd ask me seen on footage and screenshots, the straight FPS Resistance is, has been seen too much already. Gears on the other end, has very much to it in game debt, on the tactical way with the buddy's in your team. Online: more is not always better. Resistance 24 people in one field or something like that? WHO FREAKING CARES? I already have COD2 or COD3 doing that lateron. What a gamer wants is indebt gameplay. With Gears they said: a smaller team to depend on each other, it doesn't matter if 24 people are running live in the screen. It's all about experience that is great, not the numbers that are great Furthermore, the tactical setup of getting head on shooting on the locust, use the sniper guy in the team to cover you when you are going in, or someone to flank on them, the duck/cover setup and other tricks. Resistance tries to pull in people with some special guns. Well urm... just gimmicks. Every game has it's own special guns. In that light I think nothing tops the Chainsawgun of Gears! E3 2006: Gears was awarded multiple times, as allover on other awards. Resistance was nowhere to be seen. Said enough the other question 2. is there anything that 2nd gen 360 games can do that PS3 can't do? That's a difficult one. Two kind of subanswers on this one: a.) Yes they do. Compared to the first gen PS3 games, the 2nd gen 360 games will have more indebt game experience and on many cases better graphics. Look at all 1st gen games. They have to be rushed out for launch, levels are cut, things are not completely finished. Sony gave the developpers some more time by delaying the console, but still they managed to put out the final devkits late. On 360 more innovative new exclusives are coming also, were PS3 has more sequel on sequel old stuff done before and the producers didn't have the time to really already believe in the system. 500k users at the end of this year compared to 10 million users on 360. Only multiformat titles with porting are making profit maybe. Therefore, with Gears of War, Viva Piniata, Lost Planet, Too Human, Halo 3, Lost Oddessy, Forza 2, Blue Dragon, Dead Rising, Saints Row, Fifa and PES6 untill the end of 2007 only on 360, Test Drive Unlimited, PGR3, Ghost Recon Advanced Warfighter, Oblivion, Fable 2, Huxley, DOA4, Dead or Alive Xtreme Beach Volleyball 2, Rockstar Table Tennis, Kameo, Condemned, Prey, Alan Wake, Crackdown, Elveon, Moto GP '06, Ninja Gaiden 2, and more and more AND Sony loosing the reasons to buy a PS3 for like Assassins Creed and Resident Evil 5 and others coming to 360... Well urm sum it up then. DMC4 is from Capcom. Capcom sells loads of Dead Rising on 360, fastest selling game ever. Capcom wants to make big bucks like every commercial company wants. For comparing exclusives in numbers last gen en this new gen, go to this linK: http://www.technophilia.org... b.) should add: 2nd gen games and the future, Sony will get 2nd gen games also. BUT 360 will have 3rd gen by that time. Sony has to get all things right now. All at once. The online stuff they always did wrong, the service (get the thing back in one to two weeks as MS service does, instead of waiting months), the exclusives, the support (360 has great developping environments, PS3 is damn hard to program for) etc etc So even if games graphically will start to look the same, MS has a big advantage especially online. Already 4 years or longer running Live. Integrating with Live anywhere. It would be a great achievement for Sony already if basic services work. But to equal or pass XBL is almost undoable. And MS will make it stay ahead. They're the largest software producer in the world. Sony isn't. Sony = hardware manufacturer. And even that they have problems with today to cope with bad yields from IBM Cell 10 to 20%, BluRay problems, other things. In the end, I think like anyone says, on graphics it will be much alike. It's on other things you choose 1. Games, just gave you an answer on that one 2. Price, you're paying for potential on PS3 they say, actually you're paying for nothing extra (and maybe get a non standard BR format you don't use but paying for... urm potential...) 3. Online and other stuff. MS is leading and Bill won't die before he spend all his billions of dollars to make sure XBOX is nr. 1 and stay there Anyone else?
No my friend I think you are confusing exposing bad PR with Sony bashing, because speaking for myself, I can say I don't hate Sony, (and I challenge you to read any of my past posts where I hate on Sony) but what I have said many times is that I don't like Sony's marketing strategies, in fact I do hate Sony's PR....which they are repeating over again like with the Dreamcast, so in a nutshell they overpromise/lie about their launch date and features and so on, so that everyone will wait for them, then by the time they launch, yeah its a great console but not what they promised and definitely not "superior" to the other console. You say what downgrades? you're joking right?....Well if you don't call saying that only 1080p is true next gen and then releasing games developed by your own studio in 720p a downgrade then what is?...oh maybe you are talking about hardware, so what happened to the 2 HDMI ports?....and the list of things that they promised and now have retracted goes on and on. Also when you say that I never seen news about the 360 passing FCC prior to launch, I wonder why? WOW, thats really a great point, but not for the reason you said, its becuase Sony is now known, well known for not keeping their word, Im not talking about slight changes or modifications, that happens but...Im talking about saying one thing and then doing exactly the opposite....or am I wrong?, lets see, uhm they said that they would not have 2 sku's for the PS3, I mean Ken hit the 360 hard for doing it, he said it would confuse consumers...blah, blah, blah....and now they are doing exactly the same thing, right?....and you wonder why Sony's PR is in question....just the fact that they need a FCC report to confirm their spec's is an indication of how bad Sony's PR is. Now unlike yourself who everyone can cleary see is a fanboy (if your name doesn't give it away I can see many of your past post that confirms this) I don't hate Sony, but I do prefer 360, because it has MORE of the games I like to play, (notice keyword is MORE) so this makes me a gamer...and I will continue to point out BS from both sides.
Vista. I know, I know, this is a gaming site and we're talking about game related things...but if you're going to hate Sony's PR, you might as well hate MS's too. As a matter of fact, I just recently used a Bounty paper towel the other day, and low and behold, it did not remove the spilled milk better than the other leading brand. I suggest you hate on their PR team too. And if I recall correctly, it wasn't Ken who knocked MS's 2 sku idea, it was Phil. Not that it matters. Watching the Ken, Phil, Ken? trio is like watching 3 Stooges reruns, without the laughs. They really do need to have weekly board meetings (and if they do already, they might want to look into purchasing some Q-tips).
He don't know. And he would be lying to you if he even attempted to. Both systems are powerful. Its really all about the "developers" and how they utilize the system they develope for. Both have there advantages and we could all assume many things about which system will have the more complex better games, 2nd gen 360 games or 1st gen ps3 games. But, we will all know once November comes. There are sure to be a ton of comparissions and reviews from repetable sites. But, really it will come down to individual gamers playing "both" systems "best" titles and compare. Opinions come a dime a dozen. Everyone will be able to come to their own conclusion in November and beyond. But personally, I am looking foward to more 2nd gen 360 games than 1st gen ps3 games. And right now, Saints Row, Dead Rising, Madden 2007,Prey and Lord of the Rings Battle for Middle Earth is Definately Next gen games and beautiful to watch and play.
First of all like you said I was talking about videogames, but just to broaden our scope a little I will point out something about Vista. I assume you are talking about how its been delayed for awhile. Vista is an OS, and unless someone out there has been living under a rock they know that M$ bread and butter of their company is their OS software, which has implications well beyond just videogames....and its basicly used by everyone in the WORLD (government, schools, banks, and so many other big business's, etc.) so thats a big deal and I'm sure M$ wants to release it when its ready, so thats not really a good comparison. Now when we just talk about consoles I don't think theres a whole lot that M$ promised and then didn't deliver. We could talk about opinions of whether or not lived up to what they said or not all day...but speaking purely about promised features and what 360 ultimately has right now, I dont see much that wasn't delivered, but one does come to mind like what M$ promised for backwards compatibility...I know they are always updating it though, but personally its not that important to me, but I also realize that to other 360 owners it might be important. Now I understand of course all companies hype their products, its called "Marketing/Advertising, but saying it will have this "feature" and then it doesn't is called "false advertising"=Sony's bad PR. BTW, I think even you can agree that theres a big difference between advertising a paper towel to be better than the other brand even though its basicly the same (which depends on a matter of personal preference) and saying this is what the PS3 hardware/games will have an then it doesn't have it....OK so they did inform us of the changes they made, but thats only like I said before, they wait until its close to launch and consumers have already been waiting for what was promised and they end up getting something else, which is still a great console, but with less features than promised originally....which raises the question of: Do you think they ever really intended to do what they promised?, or was it to slow sales of the other console launching before them? Again its typical Sony PR BS!, but we only have ourselves to blame, 'cause they are only doing what worked before, so hell why not do it again.
is 'cause of all the nasty rumors being spread all the time about CPU downgrades, GPU downgrades, the system not working at all, blah blah blah. No one even cared about the 360 or bothered to make false rumors about it, probably because it wasn't seen as a threat to its rival.
ATI did clarify that although Microsoft isn't targetting 1080p (1920 x 1080) as a resolution for games, their GPU would be able to handle the resolution with 4X AA enabled at no performance penalty. http://www.anandtech.com/tr... If I have read it once, I have read it a thousand times, “The Xbox 360 is just ATI’s next generation (fill in favorite code name here) GPU.” The simple answer to that is, “No it is not.” While most modern GPUs share many architectural similarities, Bob Feldstein and Chris Evenden of ATI went out of their way to explain to me, no matter how hard I tried to convince them otherwise, that the Xbox 360 GPU is very much an original creation. While some will try to tell you that is it simply a modified DirectX 9 GPU, you might be interested to learn that the only API spec that the Xbox 360 hardware meets is its own API. That is correct, the Xbox 360 GPU only meets it own Xbox 360 API specifications. While of course some lessons learned in DX9 and upcoming DX10 were applied, the GPU of the Xbox 360 is very much its own and comparing it directly to anything in the PC world is simply “not right” according to Mr. Feldstein. Obviously, the Xbox 360 can be thought of as a very innovative solution specifically for the Xbox and only the Xbox. http://www.hardocp.com/arti...
why haven't we seen any 1080p 360 games? I know you're definitely not taking Tiling into account. The 10 Mb of ED-RAM in the 360 can't handle full 720p frames, let alone full 1080p frames. And tiling can create visual artifacts according to developers, which is why some of them don't even bother with using it. The ED-RAM is a bandaid, not a revolutionary advancement. It was meant to alleviate the architecture because of low system bandwidth, and thus ATI decided to move frame buffers onto a separate chip. Unfortunately, for tiling, the frame has to be re-glued together outside of the ED-RAM. =/ http://download.microsoft.c... If you download this article and scroll down to page 36, you'll see that even Microsoft admits that a 720p render won't fit in ED-RAM without being chopped up first. The reason this can lead to artifacts is post-processing effects such as bloom lighting. The speed of the rendering system is crucial, and waiting for all of the tiles to be rendered seperately, and then glued together to form the 720p render, and then adding post-processing effects after, wastes a lot of precious time. BTW, FeralP, I was directly referring to false rumors. You seem to be talking about facts, such as the Spring Launch in Japan being pushed back and what not, when i'm talking about downgrade rumors and all the BS that people like TopGamer/RealDeal keep touting. Yeah, Sony delayed their console; believe it or not, that's a good thing for us. I don't want some half-assed console to waste my money on. If I did I'd be playing a 360 right now. The Europe delay sucks, but what can you do when a vital component is missing (and it wasn't Cell or RSX). If Sony doesn't put Blu-ray into the PS3 it'll all be for nothing. Delays suck, but at least the end product is going to be incredible. Microsoft delays their operating system for years at a time, but no one seems to badger them for that. A big problem is that whenever a Sony exec is interviewed the media deliberately takes everything that's said by them out of context. Even online sites like Joystiq seem to have a vendetta against Sony. It's so wierd. I guess it's best for them not to say anything and let the games speak for themselves. And that's exactly what's been happening recently with Resistance impressing the hell out of everyone, and Motorstorm looking closer and closer to its Target Render. Things haven't gone exactly to plan, but at least they're not compromising their vision. Doing so would be a great disservice to gamers.
Yeah, I do agree that Sony has had alot of nasty rumours floating around, but I'm not talking about that, Im talking about the things that they have said themselve's, right from their own lips and then 6 mo. later they don't deliver. Why do you try to act as if all of Sony's negative PR is only because of false rumours, its everybody's fault except Sony, lol what about all the lies they have told themselves? You know exactly what I'm talking about, but you conveniently avoid the topic of things Sony promised and then not delivered, you can deny it but the proofs in the pudding. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that at E'05 they said they would launch in Spring 06 knowing full well they wouldn't be ready, hell if you look at their upcoming launch in Nov. it seems that they are barely ready now, and your telling me they thought they would launch in Spring 06, come on, it was only to keep some of those on the fence waiting, then keep delaying until they actually get ready, same goes with all the "fancy features" they touted the PS3 would have, they used that marketing trick so at the time they could claim how much more "superior" they console was, even though they knew the final version would be "trimmed down". Now fanboys will say I'm making all this up and hating on Sony, but I'm sure neutral parties can go back and look at what they said and now what we will actually get. Of course the extreme Sonyfanboys will say: Well they had to change it to lower the price, or How do you know that they never intended to have that feature or launch on that date?....its not Sony's fault. Well if you believe that then I will quote one of the other posts I read: "I have some majic beans to sell you." the reason I hate Sony's BS strategy is because its bad for the industry, its not fair to gamers, What if every company involved in the industry did busingess this way, we wouldn't know what to believe...I know hype is part of the game, but Sony's BS is on a whole other level. Hey DJ, just point the finger at the guilty party....its not that hard, bro!
You didn't read the article obviously...Reading is Fundamental buddy. MS isn't targeting 1080p for games. Its just the point that its more than capable of pulling it off with HDR and AA enabled unlike the RSX. But neither the ps3 or the 360 will "likely" see games in 1080p unless its games like tetris. Thats why games as of now are targeting 720p and 1080i for the ps3 and 360 alike. http://ps3.ign.com/articles...
That's what I've been saying all along: Tetris in 1080p at 24 frames per second in 4096 colours. The PS3 GPU isn't capable of getting next gen games massively in 1080p. And who cares actually, the next 5 to 7 years 720p will be main stream. How long was PAL and NTSC here till we got in 720p format? right...
Well you should refer to the 360 when saying it will only run games like Tetris in 1080p. You obviously forgot that we get a next gen GT as well as other games in 1080p.
I guess any news is good news. Hey I hear sony tested the controller ports today and they worked, WOO HOO !!! Let the party commence!!! Ok, I'm joking, but seriously when does sony make full announcemets, more definitive announcements on release date and actual games available on release date, everything we hear is spread rumor through other sources. It would be good for the sony fans if they had actual and official sony info on what there planning. I'm sure they will come November.......on the release being pushed back worldwide until march'07.
Beans - TopGamer aka Real Fake says I don't know and I would be lying if I attempted to. LOL the exposed liar should be aware that not everybody is like him. So let me answer your question with some quotes from the GameDaily preview: "Let's dwell on this for a second. Across countless titles, the first-person shooter genre has engrained the strategy of hiding behind static indestructible objects into players, and now Resistance does away with that. There's no comfort or safety in hiding behind an object for more than a brief moment, as there's a good chance it's destructible." "Resistance: Fall of Man is also unique in that its world is eerily realistic. Using keyframe animation blended with ragdoll physics, enemies react appropriately to both where they were hit and the strength of the weapon they were hit with. The surrounding environment factors in too, so they'll realistically slump against a wall or collapse on top of a ledge. This may not sound like a big deal, but after generations of dead enemies in awkward positions clipping through walls and other objects before mysteriously disappearing, it's genuinely amazing to see a corpse positioned so accurately and believably on top of another deceased foe. This attention to detail isn't something solely limited to dead Chimera. Glass breaks and cracks realistically based off to the size, power, and location of the object that impacted it. Major explosions kick up dust and debris, temporarily masking the immediate area in a thick smoky cloud. The tubes on the Chimera's cooling units can be shot out, causing the tubes to flail wildly as the cool mist escapes. Car tires can be deflated with a single shot, and side view mirrors can be knocked off with another. At one point, we observed a slowed version of the Howler's running animation, and were mesmerized by the realistic appearance of its tendons contracting and expanding, not to mention the way in which its claws bent as its weight was constantly being redistributed. All together, it's a level of polish one would consider impressive coming from any game, but given that Resistance is a first generation PlayStation 3 title, this speaks volumes about both the power of the PlayStation 3 and the level of talent Insomniac employs." IGN also stated it's lighting is some of the most natural they've ever seen in a videogame.
Resistanace wasn't the "one" to do away with this, most all currently being developed next gen.titles that are FPS have this same more believable environment. Nothing innovative for your resistance game so calm down bugboy.