Dualshock Nexus: David Jaffe has just released a video talking about his views on racism and rap music in Twisted Metal.
This has to be top 5 for things a developer have ever said. This guys is great.
No this guy is a clown who can't keep his opinions to himself. I hate racists just as much, yet for some reason I just don't feel its necessary to start preaching my views on it all over the internet
@ Wenis Yet you just "preached your view" on the internet.
Speaking your opinion is preaching.... So... Everyone shut up!!!! :)
WELL YOU CANT HAVE IT!!!!! was what my response was on the hour before i lost my virginity
that's a misleading title he said i don't want your money if you are RACIST EDIT good you fixed it
Making a 2 second comment in an article on N4G is hardly the same as making a 7 minute video about it on youtube. And keep in mind this certainly isn't the first time hes come out and done stuff like this. Ah, apparently people still don't know what I meant by preaching. Preach: "to proclaim or make known by sermon in an obtrusive or tedious way" So again, a 2 second comment isn't equivalent to a 7 minute video. But more importantly I just don't understand why Jaffe does this so much. I thoroughly enjoy the games he makes, its just a shame I can't say the same about the guy behind them. (not to take away from the other hundreds that make the game as well though). I mean honestly, what guy who is a essentially a figurehead of hundreds of people gets into little twitter arguments online? I never see Kojima do this, I don't see Miyamoto act like this, or any other big time dev, yet Jaffe always finds himself in the spotlight essentially being loud or obnoxious. He just needs to chill back and focus on his games.
Jaffe +1 in respect, Wenis -10 in respect.
Jaffe gets my vote!
So Wenis, its the length of your comments and the format you release it in thats important, not the subject? He has just as much right to express his opinion as you. Maybe more because some people actually care what HE thinks.
The problem can be solved by allowing you to put a white avatar instead of a black avatar in the game. I'm one that stereotypes a lot and generalizes but I never cross the line to be considered a racist. I think Mr. Grim should be white because it fits the character better. However if people didn't make such a big deal in the first place I probably wouldn't even have noticed he was black in the first place. For example: Kratos is white but I don't really label him as any race because I don't pay attention to things in that detail and take things that seriously. As far as the rap music, keep your stupid opinions about music to your God damn self. We know everybody has their own taste. You can't please everybody.
Of course he has the right to sound off on his opinion Bathy. Doesn't mean he should. And for the final time, simply saying I hate racists isn't preaching. I mean who the hell doesn't hate racists. I just don't feel the need to spout off about why and how much I hate them, via any type of medium for that matter. I just dont understand what is trying to be accomplished by Jaffe here. The only positive ting that could come out of this is if he was able to make racists see the error of their ways... somehow I dont think this video will accomplish that. Instead of comes across as 'look at me, heres David Jaffe with another outspoken opinion piece!' I guess Im just not a fan of people doing that, whether I agree with them or not. But I guess other folk are.. thats fine too.
The guy rambles about nothing for most of the 7 minutes and then says he hates racists. And yet he falls into the same trappings when he says he won't say Killa because he is white and Jewish... he has to say killer. He talks about how NWA song is a classic and yet the group itself is one of the largest racist groups from it's generation. (yes people of any color can be racist... sorry Sista Souljah you are incorrect, and I guess Jaffe would have to say Sister Soldier because he is white and Jewish???) Not sure what got into him but he needs to stop drunk video posting.
@Legion... I don't really understand how he fell into any trappings because he didn't use the word Killa instead of Killer. As for N.W.A. being the that is obviously a highly biased opinion. They were a young, black group from the Compton area in an era where young black men (especially) were extremely marginalized. There have been MANY studies on the corrupt L.A. police force that would round up young Black and Latino males and subject them to all sorts of illegal search procedures. So, they rebelled. Did they generalize? Sure! But, they mostly spoke of the white men in power and the corrupt police force. Ice Cube was probably the most rebellious of the group (during his solo, Nation of Islam phase). In the end, however, Dr. Dre brought us one of the greatest rappers of all time (thus far)in Eminem...who just so happens to be white. Ice Cube stars in movie after movie that are produced by a mostly Jewish Hollywood elite. Eazy E helped rip the group off with Jerry Heller...a white guy. N.W.A. was a group of guys that portrayed "hardcore", California gangsters to a world that had no idea that this type of thing was going on. The words were like a play or a movie and the rappers themselves were like actors. Extreme...yes...racist...I don't believe so.
@iceman06 Well said and +bub!
Twisted Metal for life.Jaffe is the man and I like how he is actually taking the time to fix his game and making it good instead of releaseing a crap game thats full of bugs.I agree with jaffe 100% but I think that rap really shouldn't be in Twisted Metal and I think they should go with some heavy metal like System of a down and some rob zombie;however, It dose not bother me at all that there are rap songs in TM and I will probably use custom soundtrack most of the time any way. http://www.youtube.com/watc... Now time for some SOAD :) this song has been stuck in my head all day.(best played on full blast)
I'll take it if Jaffe doesn't want it. lol, I deserve their money more, anyway. I've heard of dirty money and even blood diamonds....but racist money? That's new.
@wenis its a video blog, wtf do you expect him to do, give a weather report. why do you care what some guy posts on youtube. Just dont watch it if opinions offend your over opinionated self, calling him a clown and stuff just because he wanted to address something that he (and most people) feels is an issue. Your the one who seems to have the problem keeping opinions to him self.
@Legion OMG, because of you I just finally got Soulja boys name. I never realized it was supposed to mean soldier. I am way to white.
@above - LOL On topic - Great to see that someone in the industry finally said it. HHG gets waaayy too much hate, and most of it is simply because of the colour of his skin, which is unacceptable. If you disagree with his style of journalism, that's a different matter.
In all honesty, I was more or less indifferent to David Jaffe before seeing this particular video blog. Sure I was a fan of the Twisted Metal series back in the PS2 days but was by no means a loyal follower to the franchise. Since then, I've incidentally watched him a few times over the years in various interviews and panels, but thought of him as no more than a somewhat outspoken foul-mouthed developer who was passionate about his craft but overly-defensive and biased as a consequence of that same passion. With that being said, I applaud Jaffe for making THIS particular stand. Albeit to some his P.O.V. is a given and unremarkable in the least, but considering the medium and context, I find it refreshing and worthy of praise. I say this because in my experience and others, games have become a last bastion or safe haven (depending on how you look at it) of racism, sexism and homophobia. Rare was a time during an online MP session when I did NOT encounter directly or indirectly the aforementioned isms or phobias which ranged from "minor" epithets to outright death threats. The accountability systems in place feel token at best and provide little to no tangible sense of vindication or justice. This was one of the primary factors in abandoning my Xbox360 and moving exclusively to the PS3 which was an oasis by comparison due to the relative silence of online gaming. So for Jaffe, a noted head game designer to come out and say what he said should in my humble opinion be applauded for a seemingly minor yet material gesture in an industry that largely dismisses and ignores this endemic problem; an industry that goes as far as to propagate and reinforce certain racial and gender stereotypes in games; an industry that often caters to the lowest common denominator in the gaming community. Thanks for reading. Diatribe over.
Diatribe...nah, just well said imo. Looking at wenis comments verses your makes me think your self-effacing sign off was misplaced. He's actually hating on david for speaking up. This isnt some video spammed directly to his email or instant messenger, he's had to click to watch. Good for you Jaffe
@Wenis: They would love you in communist China, I highly suggest you move there and never come back here. Just saying....
@Skip_Bayless Mr.Grimm should be white because it fits the character better? Really? How do you even come to that conclusion that the color of one's skin "fits" a character better? Do you even know this character? Do you know his story? Who he is? Because its clearly not the same Grimm feo past games. Then you go on to say you didn't label Kratos white because you dont pay attention to these things. Cmon man stop. You stereotype and generalize by your own admission, but you never "cross the line" to be racist. LOL what kind of deluded nonsense is this.
david is a really cool guy, also with PS3 fans does that mean PS3 fanboys will finally like Hip Hop Gamer? after all they said against him and got him i think banned from N4G?
No wonder I havent seen Hip hop gamer. How did he get banned from N4G?
@Crystallis- HHG will be doing his latest "Shots Fired" video (video series in which he calls out the inconsistencies, racism, and unfairness in the gaming industry) regarding why he was banned from N4G supposedly right after New Years Day. It'll be on his site.
He has a posse that auto-approves his stuff on here, any legit report made for his videos gets overlooked as a result of this. That BS went on too long and he has no right to complain when he got it easier than most others If any other, no-name site posted misleading, flamebait nonsense like he did, they would have had their submissions rightfully removed. Yet he always got a pass because of his name. He isn't above the system on N4G, and he should have been gone a long time ago in my opinion. He is as sensationalist as they come
There are 3 issues here. 1. Yes David Jaffe likes to talk a lot. Yes he is very opinionated. However you have to respect the guy for at least caring. He is passionate about what he does and often times people use Twitter and other social outlets as a way to speak to their fans. Nothing wrong with that and I like his upfront no ass-kissing approach. Far too often we read interviews from people within the industry who really have nothing to say and don't even express themselves, like they are reading from cue-cards. 2. He talks about Hip-Hop Gamer and in this case I have to disagree with David Jaffe. I think that guy is a waste of time who is more about spreading rumors and getting hits on his site than actual credible news. He's the TMZ of gaming. 3. Racism is still an issue when it shouldn't be. Play on XBox Live or PSN and you will find out quickly enough how rampant it still is. Why is David Jaffe talking about it? Most likely because of comments he's gotten about rap music like he said. So, much like the people who write these idiotic comments, David can and will respond to it. Give props to the guy for focusing on an issue that should be gone. An issue none of us should have to deal with. David Jaffe is in a better position than many of us here as he can speak out better. He also has fans and hopefully they can learn that racism isn't tolerable. This is why he doesn't want your money, now if only people could get their money back from Microsoft for all the crap they have to put up with on XBOX Live.
@Alpha Actually bro I've spoke with you and it's clear you are full of agendas you try to push. You act informed and not biased but anyone who proves you wrong and shuts you down pretty much goes on your shit list. You hate on HHG because he has people agree with him and all you get is to hang with a bunch of HHG haters. I know you run in the circle that got HHG banned...I know all the individuals in your little crew and best believe you will be exposed soon enough for the crap you pulled!
@Levelhead Bro your a sheep! You throw salt at HHG but are so uninformed it's a joke. HHG has broken news on stuff so many times before the big sites...but oh wait he just makes shit up. Let me see he broke the Sega games coming to PSN/XBL, Kratos in MK, Wii U...oh that's right GI did that...wait no they didn't they just stole it and punk as Geoff K played it off. The man has broke big news but salty ignorant haters prove they are nothing more than sheep and can't think for themselves so they follow fake cats like Alpha and his merry band of mod haters...yeah I know who you are too!
@THILLREBORN Those things you mention are hardly "big news". HipHopGamer was banned because he was a TERRIBLE journalist. He constantly posted misleading and sensationalized articles and headlines for the mere purpose of attracting attention, and even sometimes just outright lied. He may have broke a few stories, but the number of misleading/sensationalist articles he posted FAR outweighed the 5% of his stories that were actually relevant. Like I said, he was a terrible journalist, and the day the he got banned from n4g, the site became significantly better. A lot of the stuff that gets approved these days is still pretty crappy, but at least we have one less source of bullsh*t flowing through the site.
He got banned because he is a sensationalist clown. Got nothing to do with him being black. I would love to have more black people in the industry, but first we have to be taken seriously. HHG, is not.
We all know its because Mr. Grim is black and because of Rap. Im glad Jaffe is not sugarcoating it.
Exactly. Racism has evolved from expression and socially acceptable blatant racism into subtle racism. Where people hide behind "you are too sensitive", it is only a joke, it can happen to anyone, and much more. Also it is only racism when a person is conscious of their thoughts, and choose to act negatively rather than positively. This means that it is hard to tell if someone's words or actions represent racism, but it does not mean that the possibility is excluded. Rather those who are quick to dismiss or exclude any possibility of racism are likely to be racists.
"Also it is only racism when a person is conscious of their thoughts, and choose to act negatively rather than positively." -rezzah So you are saying that if they are born into racism then they get a free pass? Might want to rethink that theory of yours. The problem is that no one person can set down a true definition of racism that includes or excludes individual racism. But many attempt to. Too many trappings in society which allow for a point of view to be perceived as racist. And the largest of the trappings might be peoples sense of ownership of a cultural trait and the use of it towards others or outside of typical norms. And we all know norms change through the generations.
he is my fav developer since he tells it how it is. very few people say what's actually on their mind because they don't want to loose business but by now you are either a jaffe fan or not
Straight out of compton in TM? Badass!! Ezy E FTW!
He's a really cool dude.
Yeah definitely, I mean besides God of War I'm not a big fan of his games but he's pretty awesome. He was a bit incoherent there but still made a good point and I hope that any racists that buy his game do contact him so that he can give that money to charity.
i am happy that Jaffe, addressed the idiot.
it's sad that some folks are just so ignorant towards other humans
There isn't much I can click agree for but ^ is truth and whoever disagreed is either trolling or just A genuine pos
good for jaffe, everybody is a human being with god given rights and its sad people can't see that.
How can a fictional character give me anything?
I agree, after more than 2000 years I want PROOFS. Sorry regious people, but if you have a little logic you know you have to prove something to claim it' s real. No proofs, be quiet please. EDIT: please, before pressing disagree button, show me I am wrong, like ... show me god. If it is so real it should not so hard to prove it. Right?
Was it really necessary of you to say that?
@ mttrackmaster38: Was it really necessary of someone to talk about a fictional character?
Maybe he should have said "inalienable," but he got his point across regardless of what terminology he used. Internet atheists are an angry bunch.
Hmmmm... I didn't sound too angry in my reply. Just asked a question... of how something fictional seems to give me some form of rights in the real world. Or virtual world for that matter. Where is Superman when you need him?
@Seventh_Blood_Reborn show me god. If it is so real it should not so hard to prove it. Right? ... I'm not saying god exist but I definitely don't like when people do intellectual prostitution by using bad logic... Your "if you cannot prove that God exists that means that God don't exist" is as stupid as "if you cannot prove that God don't exists that means that he exists"
@Legion Sorry, I used the wrong word. I should have said snarky or impolite. You argue from a definitive standpoint that god is fictional. Are you unaware that many people believe that god is not fictional? Maybe I should rephrase. What was your goal in saying what you said? Because, as far as I see it, your goal was not to change anyone's mind about god, but merely to start an off-topic debate. In which case, marking you down for trolling is appropriate. Take your views to Reddit or Digg or 4chan or Neogaf (OT Section) or richarddawkins.net or any other forum that accommodates your point of interest. This is strictly a video game website.
@kaveti6616 And thus your reply has simplified the reason for mine. This is a site about gaming and the answer to a post on Racism needing to be focused on some contested thought that a fictional character gave us some rights is just that... a trolling reply.
Okay a topic on racism is now changing to theism vs atheism. LMAO n4g is effing hilarious!
Personally folks, if your rights came from god, he would've given you the right for some food everyday, and he would've given you the right to a roof over your head. But let's say it's true. Let's say that god gave us these rights. Why would he give us a certain number of rights? The Bill of Rights of this country (USA) has 10 stipulations. Okay, 10 rights. And apparently god was doing sloppy work that week because we've had to ammend the bill of rights an additional 17 times. So god forgot a couple of things like slavery. Just fuckin' slipped his mind. But let's say, god gave us the original 10. He gave the British 13. The British bill of rights has 13 stipulations. The Germans have 29, the Belgians have 25, the Swedish have only 6, and some people in the world have NO RIGHTS AT ALL. What type of a fuckin' god damn god given deal is that? NO RIGHTS AT ALL? Why would god give different people in different countries a different number of rights? Boredom? Amusement? Bad arithemetic? Doesn't seem like divine planning to me. Sounds more like human planning. Sounds more like one group trying to control another group. In other words, business as usual in America.
Something less perfect can never create an idea or come from something more perfect than it self. Study Rene Descartes at school and you will learn through human logic how close we can understand the possibility of God. About your point however, where you, like many others, are wrong is that you think God is the cause of war. You fail you realize that humans are pathetic and are the cause of their own demise. You seek reasons to dethrone that which probably does not exists, so if there is no belief in a God why use God as a reason to explain your worldly ideas? Why not use humans for your reasoning? This shows that the idea of God is instilled within you. Understand? It shows that you unconsciously accept the possibility of Good by choosing to deny him/her (w.e you choose). STOP focusing on blaming it on God if you do not believe in him and start blaming it on HUMANS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@ rezzah I didn't blame it on god my friend, if you continue to read until the end of my comment you will see: "Doesn't seem like divine planning to me. Sounds more like human planning. Sounds more like one group trying to control another group."
Congratulations jaffe. You just lost some sales. I understand you upset but do not insult your fanbase. It doesn't matter if they are racist. You just do not do it. You maybe lost a few thousands or a million based on your comment.
Are you being serious?
david knows what he is doing
Nope, think your the only 1 sale he lost
I agree, what is the point in him saying stuff like this
You know your defensiveness just make you look like a racist, right?
Why not call out all the child rapist to buy your product? Paper (money, not slang) is all that matters right? As long as the world burns itself inside out, paper will keep you safe.
Thankfully there's still people who care more about moral integrity than sales numbers. It's small things like this which actually reassures a fan that the game is made with us in mind unlike some other "mass produced for sales records" games out there... *coughCODcough* -insert obligatory shock scene for added publicity-
THANK YOU. And bubs to you. Why are so many gamers more concerned with sales than quality content? "Hurr, durr, my game sold more than your game but I still have to buy all the weapons in a separate DLC pack...hurr durr" It's become idiotic. Just about every big budget title these days is an insult to paying consumers and publishers DON'T CARE. I'm glad a developer does at least care about his product and about the way the product will be viewed and DOES have a moral boundary. Can't say the same about the two biggest publishers in the industry. No need to ask who those two are.
Giru, You clown on CoD yet they donate more money to more causes than Jaffe even thinks about. Not only that but they have their own foundation. There are tons of devs who actually contribute rather than make 7 minute rants.
I'm not clowning on COD, but it's hard to deny that the games themselves are done in a way to maximize publicity and sales. If Kotick has charities and such is very scarcely relevant to how the games are essentially soulless cash machines.