Find out what makes Final Fantasy XIII-2 a perfect game.
Thought it was from an American review there......phew It's just Famitsu folks, apparently another japanese magazine Dengeki gave it a perfect score aswell. I just don't understand how a game which has hardly improved on anything and has more of less the same crappy battle system, characters, story can get a higher mark then the first average game....although they both gave FF13 a high score when that came out
So you've played the full game through have you? No, didn't think so. Give it a rest. Yeah we know, you don't like Final Fantasy XIII-2. If it bothers you that much then why come into an article and cry about it for the 100th time. Also what crappy battle system are we talking about here? It's the best in the franchise by far. Post game, in the insanely hard optional boss battles the game really shows you what the combat system was going for. It's tactical, fast paced and incredibly rewarding. Not condoning the fact that SE almost forced us to use Auto-Battle up until the end of the main quest but it was a good battle system once all that was out of the way. Really don't understand all these people crying about FFXIII. They claim to hate it and dislike it, yet they're in every single Final Fantasy XIII-2 article handing out phantom disagree's and whining into thin air as if people are actually going to take their blind criticism fairly. If you don't like it, don't comment on the articles and don't buy it. Or as we like to say on GT Forums. Blog It. Good day sir.
I love how he decided to dissect and reply to every sentence you wrote with the exception of the very first sentence XD WhiteLightning, I'd love for you to elaborate on why you think the battle system in XIII so "bad." I've played and completed every FF in the main series and the system in place for XIII is BY FAR my favorite. Oh, one last thing, while constructing your response, please remember one thing: Opinion's are subjective, don't generalize a whole group of people just because people these days love to show their detest for something more than their appreciation. Example: Uncharted 2 is a fantastic game, many people loved it, yet you don't see articles talking about it anymore. Final Fantasy XIII wasn't received well for many people and I'm still seeing people write articles and people complaining incessantly about the damn game because it didn't live up to their Final Fantasy expectations.
Just like we know the Sun is gonna come up tommorow, the game isn't a 10. It's impossible for it to get a 10.
@White Lightning What do you mean "hardly improved"? You should probably watch this trailer : http://n4g.com/news/904099/... We get it, you don't like the game. And you're not going to like the game no matter what. But saying they "hardly improved" upon the original is just you lying to yourself. @Skip_Bayless What kind of effin kindergarten logic is that? Firstly you haven't played the game. So how on Earth can you determine that. And Secondly, NOTHING in life is 100% guaranteed.
Maybe your the person who has child-like logic. Has Square-Enix made a game in the high 9s? No System maxed out? Check I don't need to go submerge myself under water to know that I will drown.
@Skip_Bayless So you're saying if a person submerges themselves in water they will automatically drown? Every single time? You're saying that it's "impossible" for there to be a different outcome? As for you're questions... "Has Square-Enix made a game in the high 9s?" If you're specifically referring to Square-"Enix", then Final Fantasy XII says hi. If you mean overall then: Final Fantasy's XII, X, IX, VIII, VII and VI advance. (and they may have others outside of the FF series.) According to Metacritic. I don't know why you're asking, Are you trying to imply that a company cannot ever make a 9+ game if they have not in the past? Even if that were true you'd still be wrong in this case. "No System maxed out?" I really don't know what the hell this is supposed to mean. Or why it even matters. Not trying to be rude but, why waste the energy hatin' on a game you won't even play? Couldn't your time be better spent?
@Skip Bayless, Quick, you need to warn all of the people planning on pleasure diving, underwater research, snorkeling, and spearfishing that they are surely headed for their death. See that? It's called misconception. It's what you have about FFXIII-2 because you do not fully comprehend the scope of what it is you are discussing. And you fail to see all the possibilities in a situation because you are taking only one route of possibility. Submergence does not always equal death and FFXIII-2 may actually be the gem it appears. Now if you'll excuse me, I have to warn General Dynamics and the US Navy they are sending young submariners to their death.
It sounds a lot better than FF13 from the reviewers' comments. Especially regarding sidequests and conversation options.
again, white lightning is the biggest ff13 troll out there, and he says he is never the first to comment on a ff13-2 article, seriously this dude has an obsession with the game and will probably buy it day one. he is alwaaaaaaays the first to comment on these articles yet he says anyone who likes the game is an idiot. so he is either trolling the articles cuz he gets no attention in RL or otherwise or he has a vast hope for american reviewers to give it a 10/10 so he can run and preorder it. eitherway its bad
im pretty much inbetween, ff7,8 and 9 are to date my 3 fav games ever made, as much i was dissapointed over ff13 overall, it was still a fantastic game. its just the bar was set so high by the others. if ff13 wasnt called final fantasy there wud be no complaints i cant wait for the sequal an deffo gettin it day one, i enjoyed the story and gameplayfrom 13 it just wasnt my fav in the series
People who don't like the game have just as much of a right to comment on it as people who do. that's like if CNN posted a story about democrats and you getting mad when a Republican chimes in with their displeasure. Anyway, a lot of long-time FF fans didn't like FF13, and they're voicing their displeasure. And apparently FF13-2 hasn't changed what a lot of people hated the most, (the battle system,) so they aren't happy. Just ignore them if it bothers you that much, but don't bitch about them commenting on a site with a COMMENT SECTION right under the article.
Final Fantasy XIII had the best story in any game or movie to come out in years. If all I had to do to see it through to the end was tap X a load of times... then so be it, I enjoyed every second (apart from that long part just before the end :P ).
The game is good, people are mad. The Game is bad, people are mad. "zomg gimm3 Versus XIII GOSH" Yes, Versus XIII will restore Final Fantasy, even though Versus XIII couldn't be any further from a traditional Final Fantasy than you can imagine. With the except of a World Map, not much about Versus XIII is more Final Fantasy. Oh yeah, Versus just screams classic Final Fantasy with it's Kingdom Hearts action battle system, Third Person Shooter Mechanics, Real World-like setting, etc. Not that I'm not excited for Versus XIII, but JEsus Christ, stop bitching.
Have you even played the game at all? No you haven't the game feels way better than the first one from my time with the demo. It deserves a high score because it is making improvements over the XIII. Stop complaining over a game you havnt played yet.
I think you have been living under a bridge these past few months, because the game improved plenty.
This child thinks americans is better at reviewing games than Japanese...I rest me case.
"Thought it was from an American review there......phew" That just shows that you want the game to be bad yet you want Versus to be good even though both games are from the same company. I understand being skeptical after XIII and with reviews from Famitsu but wanting the sequel to be bad is just pure hate.
@whitelightning Your comment reeks of xenophobia.
So basically "I don't want this game to do well" You invest too much thought in things you have no interest in. You shouldn't even care about this, especially if you are just looking forward to Versus.
il pass.. waiting versus xiii
Oh Square! Why won't you tell us anything about Versus XII!!! On Topic: "Fool me once shame on you; Fool me twice shame on me." This is how I feel about XIII and XIII-2. I am sorry to the people who actually liked XIII but I tried my hardest to like that game and enjoy it but it gave me no reason to. I played the whole game all the way through. Awesome CGI. Poor story, characters (except Sazh), and battle system. I will not be fooled into buying another game with the same world and characters. Which is why I am looking forward to Versus XIII: Story looks great, beautiful graphics, awesome battle system, great cast of characters and Nomura. I have never disliked a game that Nomura has directed so I highly doubt that I would dislike the game that he has put the last 5-6 years of his life into. Edit: "One reviewer believes the game lives up to XIII" *facepalm*
Maybe they are handing Versus XII over to another team, Kojima style. (I'm actually looking forward to MGR, but I had to say it)
"Which is why I am looking forward to Versus XIII: Story looks great, beautiful graphics, awesome battle system, great cast of characters and Nomura." You haven't played this game and yet you are making these assumptions it will be great? In case you were wondering, ever since ff13 was shown at e3 2006 ppl were expecting this game it be the new standard for ff games and rival ff7. People got disappointed. Versus may look good now, but until you play it you won't know. Maybe you will probably play it and hate it too and the cycle will continue.
I'll never understand the hate for FFXIII-2. First, people bashed FFXIII, then Square FIXED most of the problems with FFXIII-2 and people are STILL pissed? Damned if you do, damned if you don't. Oh well, I let them hate, cause come January 31, I'm going to be in gaming heaven while the haters continue to sip that haterade.
"I'll never understand the hate for FFXIII-2" You know I was half way through my comment then Whitelightnings reply to the above appeared. He explains it perfectly Oh I will say this, you really think Square has fixed all the problems, HELLOOOO this is Square Enix were talking about, when do they listen, they just heard about the problems from the backlash of FF13 and decided that since this game is for a quick buck with the crappy start of FF14 had and the fact they had left over DLC they didn't want to waste, remember Square Enix hate wasting content, they decided to get as many people to buy the game as they can. These problems with FF13 that Square has "fixed" are just over exgaerations to get people to trust them again so suckers like you will buy the game again expecting to see all these problems dealt with in the sequel. The game was terrabile and wasn't anything like Final Fantasy, it didn't even deserve the title of such a great franchise. It's like it's cool now to "love" the game and then hate on the so called "haters", like we havent got any reason to hate the game...were just hating it for the sake of it when thats BS because we have plenty of reasons and valid ones aswel.
I do believe the main gripe people had with FF13 was that it was a linear game, they addressed that. A lot of people didn't like the battle system, they changed it up a bit too. Towns? They got that too. NPCS? Present. Honestly this is coming down to people hating because it is a sequel of a game they didn't like. If you don't like it still boo-hoo it's not like they'll cancel it now.
1) I am standing my ground unlike most flip flop FFXIII haters turned defenders of the game and actually not going to get this game because I know exactly what Square is trying to do. As the person above me has stated so well. 2) If this is the same company that said "Everyone loved the battle system in XIII" and the classic "Everyone asked for a sequal"(bold face lie; no one asked for it) I doubt they actually listened to the criticism they got because if they did, we wouldn't see Hope back in the game! 3) Why do I care so much about this? One, I am invested in the Final Fantasy series and want to see it return to greatness and profitability. Two, I own a bit of stock in Square...
you know what Square Enix is trying to do!!!??!? Do you work there!? How do i get in!? i wanna know exactly what they are doing to!!!
People in Japan really liked the game. They were asking for a sequel. Like most Japanese companies, they were addressing/ listening to the people that live in the country they are based in. It's a new game. No one here has played it yet. Judge it for it's own merits. If you want to do a wait and see, do it. I've seen enough to peak my interest and I'll be buying it. There is literally no reason to hate on a game that hasn't come out yet. It's just a game. It didn't beat anyone up and take their lunch money. You either buy or you don't.
Call it a lucky guess but maybe its because.... 1. Skeptical due to FFXIII failing to meet most epectations 2. You can only play with 2 characters period with stupid monsters to help in battle like its fucking pokemon or something. 3. Even more obnoxiously colorful than XIII which is saying something especially when the themes are supposed to be taken serious. 4. Pulled Time Travel out their ASS just to give this sequel purpose it seems. No hint of it anywhere in XIII and from rumors it sounds like some of XIII's story has been "revised" in order to fit this game in. 5. Still can only control one character at a time in battle. BIGGEST issue with the system 6. VO still hit or miss
If a few people hate FF13, the problem lies on that few people. If half of the people hate it, then there is something wrong with FF13.
its really hard for me to be open minded on this game. Having played the previous FF games. I just couldn't take the "cheesyness" of the story. It's so CLICHE. an example? here " i gotta save my sister and save the world" wooo exciting (-,-) ALSO square enix made it even worse by giving out SPOILERS. and now instead giving us Versus this year we get a sequel THAT NOBODY ASKED FOR. to the people that are new to FF or just ignorant Square Enix is milking this FRANCHISE, so they can make more profit out of it.
I agree with you 110%. Story and characters for XIII was so bland (for those that don't know, those are supposed to be the best things about a Final Fantasy game). And you hit the nail on the most important thing... NO ONE ASKED FOR A SEQUEL. Even people who are looking forward to XIII-2 didn't ask for a sequel. Where in the bowels of the internet did Square see someone ask for a sequel?
Yeah the linearity didnt bother me. Its the boringness (not sure that word exists) of the story and the cliche characters (come on even its the year 2010 and they are still capable of making cliché characters). I play videogames for the story, thats why I dont play games like Skyrim and FF13's story was just retarted.
I find it funny how people say ALL characters are cliche, yet Sazh is about one, if not the most down to earth person out of the game, and connected to. I mean he contemplated on suicide and grieved after he thought he lost his son, and then came to realization that he could save him after thinking about what happened with the others. I remember when people complained about Final Fantasy Mystic Quest wasn't a "final fantasy" game way back, and today there's people that love the game. Also, it's funny how people say that when the first game sucks, the sequels suck, yet for example Assassin's Creed 1 -> 2. People disliked 1, and loved 2.
Hmmmm Barrett >>>> Sazh
Just like all other gaming compatriots with their annual sequels (CoD, Assassins Creed) or frequent DLC? Gaming companies want to make money first. They spent Years developing the engine for XIII they don't want it to go to waste so they decided to make a sequel addressing all of the fans dislikes about the first one.
@iwishtifawasreal Your name is awesome.
What really baffles me is how many improvements that famitsu seem to point out yet they scored FFXIII a 39/40 which, to me, says that I should take the review with a grain of salt either way. It sounds like a better game but apparently FFXIII was also a great game, worthy of only a point less.
I'll definitely be buying this game anyway. The hatred for Final Fantasy XIII was almost completely unwarranted. It's only seen as a weak title because it had the name "Final Fantasy" attached to it. Under any other moniker, it would have been seen as a problematic, but forward-thinking JRPG. A great title that might not have lived up to the Final Fantasy name, but was still great in its own right. People don't realise how difficult it is to consistently release some of the best games of all time, given how many classic Final Fantasy games there are.
This is my mosted hated "argument" of course it was hated extra hard because it had final fantasy in the title. It is part of a series and it didn't live up to the pedigree of the series therefore it got hated on. It's like if naughty dog released uncharted 3 without platforming, set pieces and melee take downs and just had Drake running down hallways the entire time. The fanbase would raise Hell and reviewers would crap on it. But there would still be dummies like you who say "oh if it didn't have uncharted in the title, nobody would be really hating on it so much" that's the point it did have final fantasy in the title and it tarnished the series because it was barely an ff game. They should have released it under a new ip but they wanted the sales the ff name carried with it. Well squarenix, that's a very dangerous game you're playing and the sales of ffxiii-2 will show if the risk was worth it or not.
Lovely, going to the sales argument. You know it's going to sell well. That alone makes really everything here null. It's like Call of Duty. It doesn't matter, it'll sell well and sequels will be made. Your different IP comment is pretty stupid too. Each FF# is a different world, a different story. So why bother making a new IP when you can get sales and experiment on different ideas all you like?
If you did your homework, you'll notice that most people who hate on FFXIII are people who are fans of real RPG/ JRPGs and fans of SE, SS' previous work. Your argument-it has FF in the name- makes zero sense to me ...
Where does that put me as a JRPG fan then? I played a massive number of games outside of Squaresoft and Enix long before they merged and beyond. I doubt even many of the haters even played the "true" Final Fantasy follow-up, Sakaguchi's Lost Odyssey. That wasn't a perfect title either, and it would have probably been damned in the same way FFXIII was. Are you telling me that I'm not a REAL fan because I enjoyed FFXIII? Get down from that high horse and don't pigeon-hole people into certain gamer categories. There are also many Final Fantasy fans that enjoyed XIII.
It's funny though, because I'm a fan of "real" RPGS and JRPGS, and I thoroughly enjoyed XIII and agree with his conclusion. I honestly believe that most people only complained because they got spoiled by Square-Enix, who changed but didn't change. My favorite RPG this gen: Valkyria Chronicles. My favorite of all time: Final Fantasy VIII. Legend of Dragoon, .hack, and Xenosaga round out my top 5. Everything from Shining Tears to Shin Megami is in my top 10... or 20. For the record, everything I've named and at least a half-dozen more are better than FFVII, in my opinion. I still love XIII. I look forward to XIII-2. Does that make me less of a fan of FF? Does that make my opinion and anticipation less valid? And exactly how did you and all these others determine what group was the majority, and what group was the minority?
The monster system sounds really interesting. I hear you can even combine them? Nice. Mini-games are always a great addition too!
Yeah it does sound pretty good. I mean how did they not think of it sooner. Combining FF with Pokemon should have been a no brainer.
I liked it when each Final Fantasy entries were an independent story and after each entry is finished they move on to a totally new tale. There should be no need for these games to have sequels whether the ending is ambiguous, left a sour tastes in some of our mouths or even a happy ending. Please, prove to us that you haven't run out of good, interesting stories to tell instead of pedaling out the same cliched story.
U played Lost Odyssey? It's what you are looking for. (maybe already played it but still, just incase u havn't)
Unfortunately, I haven't. At the end of this generation I'm planning on getting a 360 ultra cheap and it'll be the first game I play on it.
Lost Odyssey was really good, may have to pick that one up again. Its the last good turn based RPG (consoles)to come out and it was released in 2008.
I doubt it will be a perfect game b/c really no game is perfect, something can always be added to add more flare to the game. But that doesn't exile it from it possibly being a fun game though. Only time will tell if this game will be fun. Until then SquareEnix try your best to make FF12 squared the best it can be.
Dont like the game you havnt played yet, dont buy it. I enjoyed 13, was a little dissapointed it didnt have some things i wanted but it was still epic. 13-2 adds in everything people wanted in 13 plus more and it looks fantatic, cant wait. Ive never flip-flopped, always enjoyed 13. The people hating 13 are the flip floppers, once 13-2 drops and is everything they wanted they will be back saying how great it is exc. FAIR WEATHER FANS. One game they didnt like and square sucks, is doomed an all that. Then 13-2 and vs13 and square is back and i always knew they would pull it off. I understand if people didnt like 13 not everyone would but it certainly doesnt suck. Its one of the highest quality games this gen. No bugs ive seen, might still be the best graphics on consoles (or close), one of the best soundtracks ever, epic story, and a good batle system. Not having sidequests, towns (it had towns but no npc's), and some hidden stuff like bosses and weapons didnt kill it imo. Id prefer more open less linear but it worked well for the story, it had perfect pacing. Imo the hate snowballed from the 360 announcement. People got it in their heads that the game wouldve been ff7 times a billion if it was exclusive. The reality is they wouldve gotten te same game but praised it because it was another exclusive. FF is great BECAUSE it can take chances and try new things. Every game is a reinvention of the series with staples like turn based combat of some form, great stories, customization/leveling up, and random stuff like summons and moogles. People have hated 8 for junctions, 9 for bieng oldschool, 12 for the gambits exc. It seems people want the same game over and over but bitch when it gets stale. If one game isnt your flavor try the next.
Ok people nobody here is hating on the game just out of thin air there's a reason to it. XIII wasn't that good of a game deal with it y'all know it, your friends know it it, and even your mother knows it. Honestly you can't tell me that this hate is just coming out of thin air without a reason? I didn't think so. I'm just sick and tired of these people who like PsychoNinja pointed out just straight up flip-flopped around with their opinion. They went from not wanting to get XIII-2 for obvious reasons to riding it like no other and defending it like it's their life. Shit tends to just get too ridiculous sometimes.
P.S. the game has multiple endings? Repeat of X-2? gdamnit
That's a terrible logic. You hate the first game so this one's condemned automatically? That like me saying that because GTA4 sucks, GTA5 must be terrible as well. Or like me saying that because I didn't like Oblivion, I would totally hate Skyrim. Or like saying because the last Indiana Jones sucked, all the rest of them must suck too.(I could go on for hours.) If you hate the game fine, but it shouldn't simply because you didn't like the first one.
Why should I though? For the past 3 games aka XII, XIII, and XIV I felt like Fry as in "Square-Enix take my money." Now I don't feel like that anymore FF games arent as great as they used to be. I've been let down with these three new iterations of FF and you expect me to just be like "Hey this game is something I can look forward to." I can't anymore I'm sorry but trick me once shame on you trick me twice shame on me. I don't even trust them SE anymore, it's hard to when all they want to focus on is remaking FF into an Action RPG.
It does sound like they fixed alot. But idk... I mean famitsu did give the original a perfect score...
Famitsu didn't give FF 13 a perfect score.
Nope, won't fall for that trick again. However, I won't hate on the game. I do have the right to call FF XIII a piece of sh** though because I spent $60 for the copy I own and-regretfully- played.
I really wish more people would be as mature about it. There's nothing wrong with disliking the first game.(so long as you've given it a fair chance.) But people need to stop b!tching and whining about a sequel that they haven't (and most likely will not) play.
Famitsu is one of those reviewers whose "perfect scores" hold as much importance as my dog barking at me!!
lol! okay I have to admit, that was pretty funny.
Most reviewers will give any decent game a perfect score. Famitsi is at least a little better. But anyway when it comes to game reviews I look at what they actually say because the number is almost always subjective to the person.
Famistsu hands out perfect scores like candy so I don't think it will be a perfect game. But i loved the paradigm shift in the first game, and the acquiring of monsters, adding in towns and NPC's, time travel, and multiple endings, and of course, non-linearity of the game make me want to pre-order this game now!
of course Japanese will give any ff game a 10 even the wack ones like ff13 and 14. I love usa
But does usa love you?
I doubt you could even point Japan out on a map of Japan.