Despite calls for a single format, two research companies yesterday said both Blu-ray and HD DVD high-def discs will be around for years to come.
I bought a HD DVD player to upscale my current dvd library, but I am still hoping that Blue Ray wins down the road. When it becomes more affordable then I will buy a blue Ray player.
hehe... I hope is true... as long as blu-ray is not the sole HD format Sony loses... good enough for me... will slow adoption until digital distribution picks up...
WOW someone got there head too far up M$ ass these days...srry but Blu Ray will win..which means M$..will most likely use Blu Ray in it's next console...so Sony wins again..
Digital distribution is a long way off dude...by then PS5 AND XBOX 1080 will be out also..!!
The only reason I have some hopes for HD-DVD not dying off completely is because I know the economy of the world isn't in the best shapes and people paid (some more than others) for the add-on or standalone player. But then I get to read a comment like yours which manage to quickly erase those foolish thoughts from my head. It's really hard being sympathetic to a sore loser...
ok, The only reason I want HD to "win" is because it is the cheaper of the two. I believe sony does alot of things right but lets not be stupid, they've made mistakes too just like everyone else (memory stik duo, PSP's UMDs)
You've made clear your bias against MS.
And about the "M$" thing, you act like MS is some big evil corporation and Sony and Nintendo are the little guys that get stepped on (Mac as well) but they are huge billion dollar companies too.
As the comments here aren't the most user-friendly, I won't be able to debate any one =( send me a PM if you really want to get into it ^^
both of you are fanboys...why try and act like bladestar is any different then you...some fanboys are so deluded they cant see themselves in the mirror... @ruibang...how is he being a sore loser..where in his comments sounds anything like sour grapes? its just the same ramblings most blu-ray owners say...hd-dvd is dead and blah blah...
@Danja - where did I mentioned Microsoft or the xbox 360? I said Digital distribution? what are you saying? Microsoft invented digital distribution now? I'm for digital distribution just like I am for digital distribution for Music or when I order a movie on paperview on cable. Just like I buy games lots of my PC games via download too.
And if I were going to deal with a physical format.. why the hell would I pick the most expensive one? why blu-ray? because Sony say so? forget that.... you try taking your head out of Sony's @$$ so you can see the light... only reason why you vote for blu-ray is because it's Sony's... both formats will eventually be replaced by digital distribution, and both formats do the samething.. 1080 and crap... one of them is hundreds of dollards more expensive... and who has their head on who's a$$? you are the one paying more for the same freaken crap...
Thank you! there is nothing more I can really add to your comment. you hit the nail on the head.
I don't care who it is, a bias to ANYONE is lame.
I have found myself siding with MS a bit more then Sony lately. In the last generation I was a proud PS2 owner and preferred it over the Xbox by a significant margin, and I still do. BUT I have seen the mistakes Sony has made and see the good choices MS has made. Though they're not infallible by any means, I believe the 360 was the best investment for my money for now (I full well plan to purchase a PS3)
My point is, as Bladestar has said, I refuse to pay hundreds of extra dollars for the same crap. (If I were to buy a movie... I can't remember the last time I payed for a movie, Pirate Bay ftw)
Isn't it the funny the same guys who were bragging about how these $99 HD DVD players were going to take over the world but a month later they're back on this digital distribution. Sorry but digital distribution nothing more than a pipe dreams.
According to mixed reports.. Bluray Disc's outsell HD-DVD by great margins.
I think its just a case of HD-DVD catering to the wrong audience. Most people that care about 7.1 sound, aren't trying to "save up" for their high definition content. This is why tons of 80 dollar non 1080p hd-dvd drives sold, yet no one bought any discs. I dont see the HD-DVD buyer that bought the cheapest HD-DVDplayer, buying their entire DVD collection over again.
Digital Downloads aren't going to replace either of these until everyone has 25mbps lines in home. I really dont care for HD-On demand from Comcast/Timewarner. You can see the compression, and its just disgusting. The same is said for XBL content.
I am fortunate enough to have both HD-DVD player as well as a Bluray Player, it will be interesting to see which will phase the other out. This holiday Season, Bluray has the more appealing movie list.
Well its surviving because the people that buy the players are buying movies. Hence the 2:1 software margin when HD has a much smaller install base.
no chance for hd-dvd. only dumb xbots bought it, and in a year everyone will see blu.
I went hd-dvd...you act like if this format war is over hd-dvd players will be worthless...they wont be..they are cheap upconverting dvd players imo...and thinking everyone will just upgrade too either winning format is just fanboy wishing...both formats are not moving numbers like both sides have hoped...both crumbs on regular dvds table.
You're just another useless fanboy who blinds himself of any other technology outside of his favorite company. When you blind yourself you fail to see the good in every system, and the flaws that every system has (and this is key) INCLUDING your favorite console.
i really hope 1 wins i personally think it will be bad for both unless the exclusives are removed
i would rather BR as i have a ps3 but i also own a 360 but i refuse to buy the hd drive
the last think i want to see in the long run is the movies spilt accross the formats i think the only person who will loss will be use the consumer i dont care what it costs companys
when it comes to the AVERAGE consumer.
i really dont care who wins.This format war is really annoying.Wanted to get the HD-DVD drive but dont want to spend money and later find out its obsolete.same goes for blue-ray.
SOmetimes i wish they both die so that next time manufacturers sony,toshiba microsoft and whoever is responsible for this nonsese) will think twice and come to an agreement instead of using consumers to judge who has bigger balls.
I definately agree. Who cares which side "wins". Both are just discs that are storage mediums for the content. I don't know why there are always fanboys liking one company versus another, even if one has a crummier product. An example I can think of is basically everyone from my hometown loves Arctic Cat for snowmobiles and Honda for ATVs/dirtbikes/motorcycles. Even if another company comes out with a better quality vehicle with better features for less, they would still go with one of the two aforementioned companies. Why? They are all stuck on the one kind of vehicle. Same with these fanboys.
Same thing goes with a lot of people. Some people really like Sony, so they instantly think Blue-Ray is better. Others think HD-DVD is the way to go. I really, really hope that companies start to go out and make players that can playback BOTH disc formats in larger frequency. This way, when Joe Avergage goes to the store to pick up a new movie, he doesn't have to worry about which format he needs. He just picks up a movie without worrying if it is Blue Ray or HD-DVD. Nobody would notice the difference which disc is inside the player. The content on both discs is usually nearly identical anyway. And with 51 gig HD-DVDs coming out soon, they can both hold nearly the same amount of data anyway. The only difference now is what it says on the case.
(Yeah, I've heard about 200 Gig blue Ray discs, but I wonder if those will be compatible with all the current players, otherwise....)
so they can be updated too the newest firmware...this is older model hd-dvds and newer ones...thats why there are 3 versions of blu-ray and older players dont have the capability too upgrade. here is a page that helped me too understand why hd-dvd is better.
The format war is only really in America (most americans forget that) so i think its only time the US follows suit.
If they did have to choose sides, BD is most logical. PS3 support, biggest fan and brand base and only HD format everywhere else.
Actually the world usually follows suit on what America does, at least in terms of movie formates. But thats mostly because we have the largest movie sector in the world. That of course being Hollywood.
so will hd/blu. Studios will see that people want the option to buy or not. What they need to do is create the different sku's needed to accomodate the differences. For example, why cant both be viable formats for the same cause with one being considered the deluxe collectors edition (bluray) while the lesser will be the limited edition (hddvd) and then you have the standard edition (dvd).
If it works for games and music then it can work for movies too. The day that a winner will be crowned is the day that studios completely drop support for std dvd and basically force adoption of one format or the other.
i can`t believe you just compared.
+/- to Bluray/HdDVD.
i`ll never forget that.
In so many ways, that`s classic.
you kind of have a point
you just need to know your media history to see this is a similar situation to when the +/- format war from several years ago. You had this great divide between media makers as well as pc hardware makers. Both sides claiming their format was the better of the two.
Each side had pros and cons and yet there were a few risky "middle of the road" makers that went with adopting both formats and eventually it ended up like it is now. You cant buy just a + or - burner anymore and the cost of making media is the same and the quality is pretty much the same (depending on what you are using it for).
Point is that companies that once sided solely on one side saw they would lose out on the bigger picture of things if they stayed where they were. By adopting the middle ground approach it showed the consumers that even the companies that make the hardware and media can agree that the consumer IS the bigger picture. Sony, who once was a staple behind the + format makes - media as well. The same can be said about companies that only made - as they make + media too.
A compromise will be reached in the form of the multiformat players. You may think now that it is to far away for them to be cost effective but just like burners in their day, the cost comes down and the features go up. So to add the little refractor (??) needed to bend the blu beam just right to make it play both formats will get cheaper too.
A good example of a compromise will be samsung which from day one, has been a blu-backer, has made a multiformat player. If they can do it and bring the cost down then so can many other makers. The only company that would really hold out for total dominance would be Sony as they are a chief role in the format and technology. One key factor to more companies making multiformat players is the slow process for the newer bluray profile.
I get the feeling more hardware makers are waiting for all the bluray profiles to be finalized then it will be on par with hddvd and make multiformat players even easier to build considering there will be more similarities than differences between the technology.
it`s all good.
i just found it funny.
but, thanks for elaborating on what you meant.
Theres a comment i made here a couple of weeks a and never got an answer.
What if Toshiba invented Blue - ray and Sony invented HD-DVD and placed it in the PS3.Will Sony fanboys still support Blue-ray.Both formats have their pro and cons.i own a 360 and i lam a consumer and i have seen formats come and go and i know how annoying it is to actually jump on the bandwagon early and later get your fingers badly burnt.i own a 360 and i do want to watch HD movies on my HD-TV but it just gets silly when you see big co-operations behaving more retarded than some ignorant fanboys and start lying,pointing fingers and even directors behaving all stupid because their movie was released on one format and not the other(he didn't complain about it being on DVD but seems to have a problem with HD-DVD).
Sony fans and the rest of the people here that are bashing the other format should actually sit down and realize that this format war is incredibly annoying.
maybe bay was banking on the promise of the ps3 being the trojan horse for the blu format? I think I read that originally sony and toshiba were working on this together until ms came into the picture with wanting to support the project only if they used the .net code for the HDi layer in the media. Sony being a big open source backer didnt want to use that and in turn went their own way and convinced other supportes that using java was better and that blu would have a higher capacity per layer. Not only that but by using the popular playstation branding they were able to sway many of the big studios into thinking this would be the second coming or something like that.
$$$ is where the studios see things. They think..hmm sony has a name for themself in the console business and if we were to back them then that means that their customer base would be a return on the studios investment.
The real twist in all of this is that bluray really isnt that technically superior to the hddvd format. Capacity is all it has going for it on a per layer situation. Guess what...so do hard drive makers. Western digital, maxtor, seagate all make drives similar to each other and have differences in the capacity per layer and yet they seem to coexist alright. PC makers use whatever drive they can get at the best price so it isnt a matter of which drive is better more so than which drive is cheaper for their needs.
I'll bet if hddvd adopted java instead of the .net it uses for the hdi layer then the format wouldnt be viewed as anything other than another choice in what capacity the studio wants to use for their content. Sort of like buying blank media. Do you use T-120 or T-160 or T-180? How about single or dl? mini or std size.
If it came down to both formats using the same software then the studios would be more apt to embrace both and make content for both seeing as the tech is pretty much the same all that is keeping them apart is the language barrier.
You two give me hope for intelligent conversation on this web cite.
The answer to your question is quite obvious. The roles would just be reversed. As in "Blu Ray is dead" and "HD is the superior formate", all that crap that gets posted.
Personally speaking I don't care if its Blu or Red, all I care about is what I can get for the cheapest amount. That so happens to be HD, if it was BR you can bet that I would support BR instead. But most people on this site see on Sony and ignore all the rest.
the movie industry is going to become the games industry. Pretty soon, there will be plenty of formats. Oh well, that's why there are services like usenet.
That's fine with me. Each format will drive the other to lower prices.
Good i hope they are around for a looong time.
"both Blu-ray and HD DVD high-def discs will be around for years to come"
Thanks for that, Captain Obvious. No one's saying that all HD-DVD discs will spontaneously combust when the last player is manufactured, and the last movie is released. Of course the DISCS will be around for years to come. Just as 8-track tapes and even wax cylinders can still be found. As far as actually being able to buy NEW content on HD-DVD or players for "years to come", that's another mighty bold prediction, which everybody's getting in on these days. Maybe "year" to come.
Oh, and check this out:
"At an industry conference in Los Angeles, Screen Media Digest and Adams Media Research also said that both formats will sell roughly the same number of discs over the next several years."
Wow, a company with "Research" in its name says both will sell the same number over the next several years. Current, actual, known, quantifiable sales and trends must mean absolutely nothing. I wonder what "research" they have to support this.
And for the record, even though the article quotes these "companies" separately as sources for this "research", they're actually the same company:
"Media intelligence firm Screen Digest has announced the acquisition of California-based Adams Media Research for an undisclosed amount of cash and Screen Digest stock." http://www.gamesindustry.bi...
Why is it that my B.S. detector goes off every time there's a new spin piece trumpeted online?
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