MP1st - Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 3 receives its sixth title update.
the game is even more laggy
Really? Which console?
You must be suffering from a poor internet connection or maybe you have the ps3 version, which Ive never played. As for the 360 version all I can say is Ive been playing the game since launch, with literally over 50 different friends, family, and co- workers and other than a bit of lag every once in awhile nobody I know has had any huge complaint. Also I rarely hear any complaints about lag from the all the other online players Ive played with over the last few week, plus I havent seen any forums plagued with lag complaints. NO online game is completely lag free but its obvious there are some here who NEED to make any minor problem with MW3 seem like the game is broken. pffft butthurt BF3 fanboys I guess.
@JokesOnYou: You're an idiot if you think that the MW3 lag everyone complaining about is only on PS3. I've spoken to numerous people online who say that the lag compensation and netcode for MW3 is absolutely AWFUL (yes, the 360 version). I've played it myself, and it's some of the worst netcode and lag compensation I've ever played in a game. I have a good internet connection, and usually get very good games in MW2, Black Ops, and BF3. On MW3, however, the lag is just ridiculous. It seems like people with bad internet connections are given an advantage, and it's extremely hard to win a gunfight or react to enemies. If you're not experiencing netcode issues, then you're one of the lucky ones; but don't dismiss those who ARE having problems as "PS3 fanboys" or "BF3 fanboys," because many many people have complained about the terrible lag compensation in MW3. Before you even respond, WATCH THIS VIDEO: http://youtu.be/wJOpFCCnv0E . It explains pretty much EXACTLY what the problem is that I and many others are having.
@JokesOnYou: Also, how am I a "butthurt BF3 fanboy" when I'm sooooooo enjoying BF3 and the pure awesomeness of DEDICATED SERVERS on consoles, complete with a server browser and the ability to filter to your region? With dedicated servers, I usually get excellent pings and none of that lag compensation or host advantage BULLCRAP that COD has. The dedicated server feature of BF3 is the best thing I've ever seen in a console FPS, and I wish COD games would have it too. However, the reason COD doesn't have it is because Activision is a bunch of greedy pigs.
I'm telling you for the most part me and everyone else I know or have met online aren't having any huge issues with lag. That vid shows 1 guy who claims the lag in MW3 is ruining every multiplayer match, nothing scientific and whether true or not I don't know but that isnt the case for the vast majority, every online game has lag, theres 100's of youtube vids showing BF3 lag despite its dedicated servers, like this 1: http://www.youtube.com/watc...
-Does that mean BF3 is a lag filled mess? Hell Gears3 which I also love to play has dedicated servers but once in awhile there is noticeable lag, again minor annoyance easily overcome by endless hrs of great gaming online. Again you say everyone is complaing, who is everyone? Hell I complain, whenever I experience occasional lag in any game too, but b*&$hing occasionally in context of hundreds of hrs of gaming doesn't make the overall game AWFUL as you describe it. Hell I searched MW3 forums for lag, not much complaining there, if anything theres more complaints about preferences like nerf snipers, add this or take that out etc.
BF3 of course has forum complaints of lag, again its just something that unavoidable with so many folks playing these games, but certainly nothing gamebreaking for the majority
I found the lag a bit better actually on the 360. And if I was getting lag the status bars actually went down a couple bars... Before I was getting lag all the time and everyone always had full bars.
and they still can't get it right. lol
But CoD butt boys still say this is the best game ever lol.....its #Q^#@^# TRASH!
I guess it makes sense that the word "persistent" is in your name...you guys never quit coming to the COD threads and talking shit. It's kind of pathetic.
Well said! I was a big fan of Call of Duty and unless Treyarch does something amazing this will be the last of the series of COD i get. It's too broken.
Anyone know if the mic quality is still terrible?
I wish they would create the ultimate update that fixes everything...
6 updates in under a month. call me a troll, or whatever is popular these day, but that is unacceptable*.
idk how is that unacceptable since there trying to fix the game i rather have frequent updates back to back instead of ones a month for a broken game
id rather have the problems that have been plaguing COD games for years never happen again. how can you fix it on one game, then the game you release has that problem again? its called copy and past development. sorry to rant, i just hold this stuff in.
Its unacceptable because they're still trying to fix code that's over 4 years old and still dealing with problems that mw2 had.
Wait,...did these guys make Skyrim too?
idk about fixing the game but just trying to smooth out stuff and idc if it takes 12 updates at least we see their effort and quick response time
You would also be complaining if they only released 1 or 2. Suicidalblues, the problems that are in cod also affect every other FPS. lag, spawning, balancing issues etc. The game is still fun for a lot of people.
I think he makes a good point really.we have had 3 Call of Duty games before MW3 and,we still have 99% of the same issues.Sequels are suppose to be a improvement.You are half right a lot of games do have these issues that call of Duty has but not in the same way.MW3's multieplayer has been a huge let down for many as well as my self not many games feel as broken as MW3 dose with the same problem.Why can't they fix these problems before they release the game is the biggest question.I have gone back to black ops as well as most everyone on my friends list.
@ claterz no reason to put words in my mouth. if i were to complain about 1 or 2, it would make me a hypocrite, seeing that ive thoroughly enjoyed the likes of Skyrim, which has had early patching. but 6? come on, that just shouldnt be, especially in the time window that they were given.
Honestly the one thing that could fix a majority of the issues with this game is dedicated servers and if the game paired people based on connection.. I know that it scans games based on ping but its very ambiguous and then when someone is the host their bandwidth takes a huge hit so instead of trying to adress this issue head on they take the lazy way out and implent a "lag compensation" feature that essentially delays the response time of everyone with better connections i.e. artificial lag... Its sickening just how cheap activision is.. The highest grossing series of all time and they still wont man up and buy dedicated server space... I swear if they dont get these issues ironed out I will not buy another cod nor will I renew my elite subscription.....
Ryu you dont understand game design, although its the same engine and gameplay mechanics even minor changes like textures, layout, collision, damage etc will create new issues that you have to play test, surely then stuff like new weapons, equipment, killstreaks, modes, maps, etc will create different balancing challenges= updating the game to make it play better is not unacceptable or a sign that the game was broken its a actually a good thing because they are just tweaking the gameplay based on the real world feedback you can only get from constantly evaluating patterns and trends based on millions of online gamers. Again Ive played the game almost daily since launch and quite honestly most of these updates are minor tweaks that the vast majority MW3 players will never notice....but of course this is COD so I guess I should expect the small but vocal n4g minority to continue hating facts be dammed.
i never said i did. :-/ what im saying is, why wasnt a lot of this taken care of pre launch? how do you not notice how flimsy you the spawn system is? i understand what you are saying, but they are making similar mistakes from game to game. just seems silly. people calling people "COD haters" and what not are just as rampant than actual "haters". opinions are opinions, why cant we leave it at that?
Most on this site just don't really understand what they are actually talking about, I get it, its just a gaming news site and everyones welcome to their opinion, but I just don't understand why so many who follow gaming as much or more than I do seem to lack basic logic when it comes to discussing a topic beyond just stating an opinion.
"what im saying is, why wasnt a lot of this taken care of pre launch?"
Here are the Patch notes, none of which were a huge problem before the patch, its just *IMPROVEMENTS*, since nothing is pefect why not constantly make the game better as circumstances dictate?
Additional improvements to address lag.
Fix for Melee Jump.
Clan Tag Validation (remove buttons from clan tags).
Improve Host Migration logic.
Prevent stat Loss.
-Again if this update was to fix huge problems that had a major effect on the overall enjoyment of the game for the majority of the community or worse a major game breaking issue then you would have a point, but suggest that ANY dev can predict the thousands of variables that might happen based on the the game play habits, whether intentional or unintentional of millions of gamers is impossible= THATS WHY this wasn't taken care of pre launch.
I remember starting waaaaay back playing Super Mario Bros and getting stuck in the ground, and tons of other great games that had a glitch or 2, hell I loved every Mega Man game and I can't remember 1 that didn't have its share of glitches, sometimes I had to restart the damm game.....sure alot of games today have even more glitches but guess what game development is alot more complicated too. In todays era of ONLINE gaming especially there are bound to be issues that devs simply did not expect to happen no matter how much you test the game. Dont get me wrong, of course a good dev can make a game that is enjoyable and plays very well online for millions of gamers without having to update it, however online gaming introduces thousands of variables based on unique gameplay behavior from millions of gamers, whether their actions are intentional or unintentional things will happen differently than what you saw in hundreds of playtest with just a few thousand testers and each new game will balance differently no matter how close they resemble their predecessor, lets not even talk about how you ensure your game is not exploited when some people dedicate their time and energy to do nothing but find ways to cheat, especially when its the #1 game on the market.
how is knowing game code "basic logic"? im confused now. im saying i dont like the fact that since launch, they updated 6 times. i dont know why you are showing me patch details. i agree its good that they are fixing it, i never said it wasnt. why is it no ok with you that i dont like this many patches on such a high profile game?
Ryu I didnt say knowing game code is basic logic, I showed you the updates to illustrate that they are all minor improvements; NOT fixes for a broken game that would merit such comment tone from you and others on this thread......furthermore what Im saying is that if youre going to suggest that this update which among othyer minor things improves lag somehow should have been already fixed because of past games is not valid under the circumstances, that type of comment demonstrates you lack basic knowledge about game code, which is fine UNTIL YOU ARE THE ONE whos criticizing the update as if the devs should have already known about these tweaks and made THIS game flawless based on past iterations, again not to beat a dead horse but it doesnt work that way, only the less informed think it does. 2nd, You seem to be purposely overlooking the overall point that I made which is that minor updates to a game that already plays well is a blessing, not a problem as you imply with your "6 updates" comments, I mean 6 or 50 they take a few seconds and are mostly unoticeable so why would that bother anyone who truly likes the game? Finally its not that I care that YOU dont like so "many patches in such a high profile game" its that I was attempting to unerstand WHY it bothers you...which as I assumed its now evident you lacked any well founded reasoning.
"improvement to address lag" Really??? I shall put this to the test tonight. If I was a betting man my money would go on it being worse. these guys are a joke. lets see shall we.
ok, so I said I would put it to the test and I have.
so far.... So FAR, there is a noticable difference.
I have just played 2 games and gone 26/1 and 23/0. I was using the scar in one game and the type 95 in the other.
You can look at my history and class in that group of gamers that have been hating on the game ( with good reason in my opinion ) but right now, whatever they have done, it does feel better... so far.
I will see how it holds up the rest of the night.
I take it the disagrees mean that you have played it after the update and not found it any better.
I would be great if you could actually post and lets hear what your experience has been so far.
I have played a few more games and so far they have been good except the very last one. That felt bad again.
They still need to sort out the spawn system as well.
Nope no difference for me. I was last man standing in SnD looked into that tunnel in Hardhat, saw a guy prone so I ran away. I was no where near the entrance of that tunnel but I still got killed. The killcam showed that I didn't even move from the tunnel entrance.
I hear you man, I hear you.
follwing on from my last update which was last night, i have been playing all day today. what I have noticed is that when I play uk players it seems to be better. When I get players from other countries like France or Spain, then it feels exactly the same.
I have seen a lot more bullshit today then I did last night.
Overall I think it still needs a lot of work.
hope they dont pull a skyrim on us
LOL!!!.....goes back to KZ3..........
What I dont like is when my team mate EMPs the enemy, my screen flashes too, which has resulted in me dying a few times because I couldn't see and someone shoots me. They need to fix that and the spawn system
lol that pisses me off also
Eh, the flash is not unfair because it happens to everyone. It's actually semi realistic because an EMP takes out electronics everywhere and does flash when detonated. I think it's a nice addition and I never found it to lead to me dying,
Semi realistic since a real EMP would take out your own electronics too.
Yeah, exactly, since they won't punish the team that used it, the flash is a nice addition. It is also a reminder if you're not paying attention to the voice of the character that when that flash happens, an EMP has been used.
Kinda how setting off a real nuke would kill everything within proximity so why the hell does this game give it as a reward for the winning team? "ohh you're winning? Here nuke the whole map!" This game is so far from logical its not even funny...
Correct me if I am wrong, but didn't they change that with the MOAB? I thought it only kills the losing team and gives the winning team double XP for the rest of the match? I haven't seen it used in person yet, so I am not sure about that.
And the friendly stealth bombers. Because they're in the support package everyone uses it and halfway through a match everyone calls them in. MW3 turns into a earthquake simulator.
Im not trying to defend the patch generation, but saying that they need only patch it once in a earlier game then be done is silly. The part that we don't see is the infrastructure changes that occur in 5-6yrs! The net coding that works in COD MW1 won't work in MW3. Lag free gaming? Lol I've played plenty of dedicated server fps with lag aswell. It's unavoidable. It'll be improved but never eliminated.
Amen. No one is ever going to connect at the same speed, ever. I would much rather download patches then have IW ignore it. No matter what, you can never please everyone.
Yes, lag free is a dream but consider this. I had less lag in Halo 2 with an Internet connection that was ridiculously slow and expensive. Now my Internet is 50 times faster... And cheap! Yet, lags is worst. The Better the graphic = more lag. Internet connection speeds are getting better at a alarming rate but lag is becoming a greater issue! Why! With that said: graphic wise, this game rocks! The maps look fantastic! But the lag or hit detection is the worst! Totally disappointed in this game. I'm the biggest COD fan but this crap is unplayable with my awesome Comcast exfinity connection. Hits are being detected not by shooter but by the shootie... Not a good model.
I only have bad Lag on CoD games, BF, socom, R3 they die plain and simple.
they should keep making the updates , they are small so it won't hirt , just fix the respawning and the lag >.<...
good keep the updates and hotfixes coming!
I'm glad they are TRYING to fix the problem. They should have realized however that a game dependent on there being little to no lag when factoring in reaction time and such should have been one of their first priorities. I shouldn't be stabbing a guy in the back only to have him turn around, kill me, and me spawn in front of him to see him teabagging me. Horrible game.
Is the spawn issue being addressed? That's the main problem.
The lag is massively improved since launch, but i wish they would connect me to games with better ping. BF3:41ms MW3:150+ms
LOVE the update. finally all my hits are registering and the lag is massively improved. now the next update should address spawn.
so far, i would agree with you. it does feel better
What it fixed? What it broke? What it broke again? What it broke again-fix again? What it broke again-fix again-broke again? When is the next patch?
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